Bush calls terrorists thugs

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

Even in a simple 15 minute presidential address he manages to embarass himself. Bush called the terrorists thugs! I give him credit for using the origional meaning of the word which is basically someone bad such as a theif or murderer. Yet with the way just about every rap star uses the word thug in every song, Bush's use was nothing short of commical!

[Hypocolius]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
using the origional meaning of the word which is basically someone bad such as a theif or murderer.

Umm, not really. Thugee was a hindu sect (worshipping Kali? can't remember) who used to strangle people as part of their religious ceremonies. It was vilely put down by the evil British sometime in the 18th or 19th centuries, however the word thug was preserved.

[kedo1981]

Encarta
Thugs (from Sanskrit sthag,”conceal” or “deceive”), former secret organization of robbers in India, who always strangled their victims.

[headscratcher4]

Should have called them "Assasins" from Hassan (sp?) a Arab fundumentalist/terrorist/fanatic during the crusade who created a sect of individuals promised enterance into heaven (the whole 72 virgin thang) for undertaking suiside missions for hire, generally against the crusaders or crusader states, but also against various Arab states who wouldn't pay him (Hassan) off....

[richardm]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
Yet with the way just about every rap star uses the word thug in every song, Bush's use was nothing short of commical!

In what way does every rap star use the word?

I always like to keep abreast of the latest hep words the kids are using, in case I need to get down with the homeys.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
Even in a simple 15 minute presidential address he manages to embarass himself....Yet with the way just about every rap star uses the word thug in every song, Bush's use was nothing short of commical!

You're upset because Bush used a correct and legitimate word that has some passing secondary reference to rap music, and you think HE'S comical?

Bling bling, yo. Check the man in the mirror. Peace out, G.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by richardm


In what way does every rap star use the word?

I always like to keep abreast of the latest hep words the kids are using, in case I need to get down with the homeys.

This way (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/026-0402354-2998851).

[Victor Danilchenko]

yes, thugee was a kali cult.

i thought the word "assassin" came from "hashish" -- a cult who were called 'hashishin' (which later became 'assassin') because they consumed hashish before carrying out their missions.

<checks> Yup, I'm right -- 'assassin' comes from 'hashishin'. See http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assassin

[headscratcher4]

Clearly, I mis-heard. Thanks for clarifying...however, was I at least right that it came out of a Islamic cult formed during the period of the Crusades?:o :confused:

[Bluegill]

The Straight Dope on "assassin." (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/massassin.html)

Always interesting and educational!

[Agammamon]

It's a refreshing change from the administration normal stance of calling every two-bit criminal a terrorist.

Did you rob a convienence strore and shoot the clerk? You're not just a violent criminal, your also a terrorist.

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

yea he did use the word correctly i agree. yet the man seems oblivious to the fact that everyone loves to make fun of him. he seems to be asking for it when he uses a word that has a somewhat different meaning than it origionally did! what ever happened to being sure you were using the right word!

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
yea he did use the word correctly i agree. yet the man seems oblivious to the fact that everyone loves to make fun of him. he seems to be asking for it when he uses a word that has a somewhat different meaning than it origionally did! what ever happened to being sure you were using the right word!

The word means what the dictionary says it means, not what a bunch of criminals think it means. Rap "stars" don't define words, dictionaries define words.

[Agammamon]

Dictionaries define words based on common usage.

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

but what percentage of americans actually bother to use the word as defined in the dictionary. words commonly change their meaning as pop culture instructs. look at the use of the letter u to replace the word you. look at how the word ass went from refering to a donkey to something entirely different. bush should be aware that the majority of the population is not sitting by and using a dictionary, they are instead allowing pop culture to write a dictionary for them.

Only in America would someone assert that the Real World should give a damn what Pop Culture thinks about anything at all. :rolleyes:

[Tmy]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
. Yet with the way just about every rap star uses the word thug in every song!

Im thnking this is not true. Are you a rap expert? Do you even listen to rap or are you just stereotyping the whole genre?

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
Even in a simple 15 minute presidential address he manages to embarass himself. Bush called the terrorists thugs! I give him credit for using the origional meaning of the word which is basically someone bad such as a theif or murderer. Yet with the way just about every rap star uses the word thug in every song, Bush's use was nothing short of commical!

Your amusement threshold and inability to spell correctly are closely linked. :D

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
yea he did use the word correctly i agree. yet the man seems oblivious to the fact that everyone loves to make fun of him. he seems to be asking for it when he uses a word that has a somewhat different meaning than it origionally did! what ever happened to being sure you were using the right word!

Most people capitalize the first letter of a sentence. It helps the reader to understand the thought that the writer is trying to convey. And “I” is always capitalized.
Was grammar school that tough?

[Nikk]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
but what percentage of americans actually bother to use the word as defined in the dictionary. words commonly change their meaning as pop culture instructs. look at the use of the letter u to replace the word you. look at how the word ass went from refering to a donkey to something entirely different. bush should be aware that the majority of the population is not sitting by and using a dictionary, they are instead allowing pop culture to write a dictionary for them.

Why do you say it's a majority? Those most influenced by pop culture tend to be below voting age and only represent a small minority of the population. Furthermore slang usage changes rapidly and is soon forgotten. Check out a dictionary of slang and popular usage and see how much has been totally lost.

If Bush was to adopt pop usages he would alienate his core constituency and be ridiculed by the young, a lose/lose situation. It would be bloody funny though:D .

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

what kind of person judges another by their typing/ spelling? shouldn't the real judgement come from character and intelligence? anyway, i love having my ideas challenged!

[crackmonkey]

Character and intelligence as opposed to spelling and grammar? Frankly, I think you'd lose either way.

[LucyR]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
what kind of person judges another by their typing/ spelling? shouldn't the real judgement come from character and intelligence? anyway, i love having my ideas challenged!

In my experience there is a strong (but admittedly not perfect) correlation between intelligence and the ability to concisely and coherently express one's thoughts on paper. Such an ability almost always implies at least a working knowledge of grammar and syntax.

You'll find on this board for example, that the most weak-minded of political and religious arguments are generally expounded by people with only a rudimentary grasp of the English language.

[My Final Spider]

This thread is silly.

Come on now. This is some kind of joke, right? Bush calling terrorists thugs is comical because some rap guys sing about how they're "thuggin' it"? Since being a thug still means doing illegal and violent things, I don't think you have much of a case. Perhaps we could have a dicussion as to why being seen as someone who commits illegal and violent acts is a way to success in America?

Or not. Bling blingg.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
Even in a simple 15 minute presidential address he manages to embarass himself. Bush called the terrorists thugs! I give him credit for using the origional meaning of the word which is basically someone bad such as a theif or murderer. Yet with the way just about every rap star uses the word thug in every song, Bush's use was nothing short of commical! By your logic bush couldn't use the word bad since bad is good when used by rap stars. ???

Your post is comical. Words can have more than one meaning and no one with a 3rd grade education misunderstood what it meant... oh, I'm sorry....

[RandFan]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
what kind of person judges another by their typing/ spelling? What kind of person judges another person for correctly using a word as it is defined?

...shouldn't the real judgement come from character and intelligence? I think I will let that speak for itself.

...anyway, i love having my ideas challenged! It's not much of a challenge.

thug ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thg)
n.

[list=1]
A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.
One of an association of robbers and murderers in India who practiced murder by stealthy approaches, and from religious motives.
An aggressive young criminal [syn: hood, hoodlum, goon, punk, tough, toughie]
[/list=1]

[Smalso]

In my experience there is a strong (but admittedly not perfect) correlation between intelligence and the ability to concisely and coherently express one's thoughts on paper. Such an ability almost always implies at least a working knowledge of grammar and syntax.

There's a lot to be said about not splitting infinitives, too.

I have made no secret of the fact that I don't like or trust Bush and that I believe he is in the process of screwing the country up for years, if not generations, to come; but to pick apart his every utterance word by word and come up with something this silly seems a bit childish to me.

(Good to see you back, RandFan.)

[Tricky]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
what kind of person judges another by their typing/ spelling? shouldn't the real judgement come from character and intelligence? anyway, i love having my ideas challenged!
One way people determine your intelligence is your ability to communicate. When you don't show basic communication skills, like grammar, vocabulary and punctuation, it is natural to assume that you are either young, uneducated or a bit dim. I realize that sometimes these are unfair assumptions, but they are a good rule of thumb.

Look at the posters on these boards. Most of the ones who are well respected are also well-spoken, even those for whom English is a second language. Of course, everybody misspells words. Egregiously bad writing, though, is characteristic of trolls. I assume you do not wish to be labeled as one of those.

And speaking of misspelling, your signature is unintentionally funny. I think you may mean "scared" of lipstick. You would have to be extremely clumsy to scar yourself putting on lipstick. Or perhaps you mean "emotionally scarred". Hey, that's pretty deep! Oh, but then you would need to say "scarred by lipstick". Oh well. ;)

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
what kind of person judges another by their typing/ spelling? shouldn't the real judgement come from character and intelligence? anyway, i love having my ideas challenged!


Pretty.....;

Some friendly advice. You're in way over your head here kid. Randfan summed up the absurdity of your argument quite well. You would do better to just apologize and try again in another thread.

Regards,
Barkhorn.

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

-Your post is comical. Words can have more than one meaning and no one with a 3rd grade education misunderstood what it meant... oh, I'm sorry....

In response to that all I have to say is that people insulting someone over the ability to spell is very much like third grade.
Kid 1: Your so stupid you can't even spell stupid!
Kid 2: S-T-U-P-I-D
Kid 1: Your such an idiot you can't even spell idiot!

Do I need to go on?

Furthermore I made this post as an observation that presents my opinion. You have all shown me your opinions on the matter as well. I find many things Bush says and does funny. Apparently the rest of you do not. I do not see any reason that that should give way to an argument. Take a deep breath and relax kids!

[Hypocolius]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
-Your post is comical. Words can have more than one meaning and no one with a 3rd grade education misunderstood what it meant... oh, I'm sorry....

In response to that all I have to say is that people insulting someone over the ability to spell is very much like third grade.
Kid 1: Your so stupid you can't even spell stupid!
Kid 2: S-T-U-P-I-D
Kid 1: Your such an idiot you can't even spell idiot!

Do I need to go on?

Furthermore I made this post as an observation that presents my opinion. You have all shown me your opinions on the matter as well. I find many things Bush says and does funny. Apparently the rest of you do not. I do not see any reason that that should give way to an argument. Take a deep breath and relax kids!

Hey, Pretty... you've learned how to punctuate, AND use caps properly! That's pretty good in such a short space of time. Think of this as a learning experience. Now try and work on the content:)

Originally posted by Hypocolius


Hey, Pretty... you've learned how to punctuate, AND use caps properly! That's pretty good in such a short space of time. Think of this as a learning experience. Now try and work on the content:)

Word.

[Marquis de Carabas]

look at how the word ass went from refering to a donkey to something entirely different.
I can't let this one slide, I'm afraid. Ass meaning donkey, and ass meaning rump are two entirely unrelated words. One did not evolve into the other. Ass for donkey is from the Old English assa which came down from Latin asinus, which is also the lineage of "asinine."

Ass as in rump or booty is merely a bastardization of the English "arse."

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

Thanks for your opinion but in the grand scheme of things does it acctually matter what you think?

"The ability to focus attention on important things is a defining characteristic of intelligence."
-Robert J. Shiller

[prettygirlsmakegrave]

Furthermore I made this post as an observation that presents my opinion. You have all shown me your opinions on the matter as well. I find many things Bush says and does funny. Apparently the rest of you do not. I do not see any reason that that should give way to an argument. Take a deep breath and relax kids!


Read it again and again untill you get the idea!

[LucyR]

Originally posted by Smalso


There's a lot to be said about not splitting infinitives, too.



I thought that there was no definitive rule regarding the splitting of infinitives. If there is, please let me know.

What exactly were you referring to when you said 'something this silly'? Did you realize that my earlier post was directed at the person who started the thread? My remarks had nothing to do with Bush.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by prettygirlsmakegrave
In response to that all I have to say is that people insulting someone over the ability to spell is very much like third grade. Just a minute, you are the one who insulted Bush for correctly using a word as it is defined.

How is it that you don't "get it"? You come on the forum and make a sophomoric insult about George Bush and then complain when you are treated in kind.

Do I need to go on? No, you need to get a clue. If you don't want to be criticized for poor spelling don't criticize Bush for using a word the way it was intended.

And for your information most people DON'T listen to rap. Why the hell do you assume that the word has changed its meaning?

Why do you assume that anyone besides a few teenagers who don't bother watching the president and probably don't know the real definition to the word thug would find the presidents comments funny?

Furthermore I made this post as an observation that presents my opinion. It was a lame opinion. Again, why is it ok for you to criticize but it is not ok for us to criticize? (I'm guessing that you still are not getting this)

Furthermore we made an observation that presents OUR opinion.

I do not see any reason that that should give way to an argument. Look, the forum isn't a place for you to offend those on the forum for free. This forum is about free speech. If you want to critisize someone that I respect by all means, have at it. But don't for a minute think I'm going to sit back and take it. Especially if it is not funny, especially if it makes no sense, especially if you fail at the very thing you are critisizing bush for (communication).

I do not see any reason that that should give way to an argument. The fact that you come off as superior and smug while you criticize someone for their use of words while at the very same moment you are inept at the use of your own words (pot calling the kettle black) seem to be good reasons to get into an argument.

What did you think this forum was? One sided and anti-bush?

Take a deep breath and relax kids! Here is a bit of advice, treat people with respect and you will be respected. Make a stupid argument about the use of words, mangle your own words and then complain that you are being criticized for...get this...criticizing and it is very likely that you won't be respected.

Is the irony still lost on you?

[LucyR]

prettygirlsmakegrave,

Your post was fatuous. Look that word up. It is entirely apposite.

Also, re-read RandFan's post. It'll be good for you.

[Smalso]

Originally posted by LucyR


I thought that there was no definitive rule regarding the splitting of infinitives. If there is, please let me know.

What exactly were you referring to when you said 'something this silly'? Did you realize that my earlier post was directed at the person who started the thread? My remarks had nothing to do with Bush.

When I wrote "something this silly," I was referring to the person who started this thread. My remark had nothing to do with you.

As to the splitting of infinitives, it is possible that you are right. A couple of generations have passed since I was in school and the language is not the same as it was then.

[richardm]

Originally posted by LucyR


I thought that there was no definitive rule regarding the splitting of infinitives. If there is, please let me know.

There is a rule ("Nothing must come between the "To" and the infinitive"), but it's generally regarded as a bad one, since if you attempt to avoid splitting infinitives in all cases you can end up with some tortuous sentences.

And ambiguous ones, like "You fail completely to recognise that thug is an old word" - does that mean that you don't recognise at all that thug is an old word, or that you only recognise it a bit?

Shakespeare managed to produce all his works without a single split infinitive, as my old English teacher was fond of reminding us, but generally (and perhaps because of that old teacher), I think split infinitives aren't worth complaining about.

But then what would I know? I didn't even know that Thug was a rap word (and I still don't know whether it's good or bad to be a rap Thug) :(