4th August - epilogue - 19th September - prediction

[Lucianarchy]

Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets.

In addition, on the 4th August, MI5 managed to arrest up to 12 terrorists in the UK who were planning an attack on Heathrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3537462.stm.

Like the 'Ladybrook' perception, it seems that attacks may not necessarily take place, they may be thwarted either bu intelligence tip-offs, or other action taken between the time of perception and the planned time of the attack. Obviously, the intelligence reports from the major agencies have proved that attacks were planned for this time, yet the correct application of intelligence can defeat terrorism if they act on all lines of communication.

I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.

Peace.

[HarryKeogh]

in other words..."I predicted something would happen and it did not."

By your standards, I can predict someone's death but when they cease to expire on my predicted day I could thank his doctors for recommending he keep his weight down therefore preventing his early demise. I predicted his death but thank goodness it was thwarted by the diligence of his doctors.

You are deluded.

[Chad Noles]

Your so called premonition was obviously wrong.If you had had an actual premonition, it would have been about how the planned attack was twarted.Maybe someday people will figure this out.

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
In addition, on the 4th August, MI5 managed to arrest up to 12 terrorists in the UK who were planning an attack on Heathrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3537462.stm.
13 men (not 12 - one was released without charge the following day) were arrested on the 3rd, not the 4th. The attack on Heathrow has been linked to a man arrested in Pakistan, not the the 13 arrested in the UK.

[chillzero]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets.

ummm ... 'unprecendented'....... evidence??

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
In addition, on the 4th August, MI5 managed to arrest up to 12 terrorists in the UK who were planning an attack on Heathrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3537462.stm.


ahem ... allow me to quote from that very story...

"a BBC correspondent in Pakistan says investigators have not confirmed the existence of a Heathrow plot"
....
"nobody is going on the record to connect Khan to a Heathrow plot"
....
"The Home Office said it would not comment on specific intelligence, but confirmed that there had not been a specific threat.
A spokeswoman said: "If there had been a specific, credible threat then we would let the public know." "

Wow... talk about shooting yourself in the foot.



Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.


You are so full of it.

[Ed]

Luci, you seem to be saying that, while the predicted attack was inevitable, it was prevented. That is mad you know.

[Prester John]

Luci, what would have had to happen or not happen for you to classify your prediction as plain wrong?

[Lucianarchy]

Originally posted by JamesM
13 men (not 12 - one was released without charge the following day) were arrested on the 3rd, not the 4th. The attack on Heathrow has been linked to a man arrested in Pakistan, not the the 13 arrested in the UK.

Correct. The unprecedented heightened security over the last few days has undoubtably been good for the protection against such attacks. The UK arrests foiled at least one attempt. The heightened security in the US and elsewhere would have undoubtable thwarted any other attacks planned for this time.

Everyone know that security has been drastically heightened this week as a result of the intelligence community working together.

The intelligence agencies have shown that they are prepared and will act on information given to them.

[MRC_Hans]

Lucianarcy: You predicted an event. The event did not happen, Period.

That was silly, but not NEARLY as silly as your attempts to explain it away.

You are in a hole. Stop digging.

On second thought, perhaps you ARE a hole, in which case you may have reason to think digging will make you bigger.

Hans

[RabbiSatan]

As they say, when in a hole, stop digging...

Claus was right - Lucianarchy, you are the great gift to skepticism :D.

[JPK]

Originally posted by Prester John
Luci, what would have had to happen or not happen for you to classify your prediction as plain wrong?

Now that is a great question that I predict Luci will choose not to answer. :)

JPK

[BillHoyt]

Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets.

You should learn not to make predictions on JREF. The force of skeptical anti-psi is far greater than your psi could ever be. JREF stopped the attack. Just by critical thinking. We just got mo mojo.

:dl:

[Jeff Corey]

I am glad he was wrong again. I hope he continues to be wrong in the future, but as they say, "Even a blind wombat could get lucky once in a while."
Why they say that and who they are, I have no idea.

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
The intelligence agencies have shown that they are prepared and will act on information given to them.

Isn't everyone glad that Lunacy is able to help the intelligence agencies save us?

Maybe we should predict now what the excuse will be next time? The utterly non-specific nature of the new prediction leaves open a huge range of possibilities. Notice that the specifics from last time (limited though they were) have all gone.

No need for terrorist involvement;
No prediction on casualties;
No need for a Western target.

Just what is the difference between the latest prediction and "Something bad will happen somewhere in the world on [insert random date here]"?

[Lucianarchy]

Originally posted by JPK
Now that is a great question that I predict Luci will choose not to answer. :)

JPK

If the CIA. FBI, DIA, MI5 etc had not enforced heightened security on western targets over this time, then that would suggest that an attack by terrorists against a western target was not a risk. However, they evidently are not as closed-minded as some here and are prepared to but the security of people's lives ahead of doubt . The fact is, the intelligence community obviously had good reason to ramp up security on these targets. Such security would have undoubtably foiled any attack planned for that time.

If that had not happened, then I would of course say that the prediction was not significant. However, there evidently was an extremely high risk, so the predition remains significant.

[HarryKeogh]

Later in their careers, Dawkins and Gould agreed to no longer debate creationists as it gave the creationist nonsense an air of legitimacy that it didn't deserve. You could never win a debate with them as they refuse to acknowledge any errors in the face of mountains of opposing evidence.

I hereby take a page from their book. Bye, Luci. And good luck with that whole predicting the future stuff. Maybe one day you'll get it right...just like most people will make a seemingly surprisingly accurate prediction due to chance.

[MRC_Hans]

Oh, but Lucianarchy's predictions are 100% certain: If he predicts an event, then it will either happen, or it will, for some reason, not happen.

This is called Lucianarchy's Tautological Prediction Ability (LTPA), or, for short: Psirony.

:dio:

Hans

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
If the CIA. FBI, DIA, MI5 etc had not enforced heightened security on western targets over this time, then that would suggest that an attack by terrorists against a western target was not a risk.
But security was not ramped up at Heathrow, there is (currently) no reason to believe an attack there was planned for yesterday, so connecting the terror arrests in the UK (about which we know exactly nothing) and the arrest of Naeem Noor Khan in Pakistan to your pediction seems rather spurious.

[Flo]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
If bla, bla, bla ...

If that had not happened, then I would of course say that the prediction was not significant. However, there evidently was a risk, so the predition remains significant.

It's really pathetic to watch you making such a fool of yourself, once again ... :rolleyes:

[Lucianarchy]

Originally posted by Flo
It's really pathetic to watch you making such a fool of yourself, once again ... :rolleyes:

You are welcome to your opinion, Flo.

But the fact is, there was an extremely high security alert enforced through the intelligence agancies over that period. Ergo, a high risk of attack against western targets by terrorists existed.

Thankfully, such action on intelligence would have foiled any planned attack.

[BillHoyt]

http://www.greymatter.org/satanichamsterdance/devham1.gif All Hail the superior power of JREF's satanic anti-psi! Buwah-hah-hah-haa

[Dancing David]

What a doofus, so Eurpean/American centered, you blew it Lucianarcy, you did not predict the future, you did not predict "the attcks will be thwarted because of three year old intelligence".

Meanwhile 14,000 children will die today because of preventable illness and other treatable conditions.
Over 250 million women and children will be physicaly, emotionaly and sexualy abused today.
Around the world over three million people will remain as displaced refugees due to war.


Your predictions are worthless, they are self centered and naricisisstic, if you have such great powers why don't you use them to make yourself rich and then go and alleviate the suffering the world, you don't have to be a psychic to predict the suffering.

[Flo]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
You are welcome to your opinion, Flo.

But the fact is, there was an extremely high security alert enforced through the intelligence agancies over that period. Ergo, a high risk of attack against western targets by terrorists existed.

Thankfully, such action on intelligence would have foiled any planned attack.

Blah, blah, blah ... anybody following the news those last few years can "predict" that there will be some attacks sometime and that precautions from intelligence agencies will foil some of them. You've doubly made a fool of yourself by trying to pass a banality for a "profecy" and by trying to get out of the hole you've dug yourself in with extremely lame excuses.

edited to add:

and on top of it, you're not even the least little bit original/entertaining in a) your attempts at pretending to be psychically gifted and b) your very, very lame excuses.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
*snip*
But the fact is, there was an extremely high security alert enforced through the intelligence agancies over that period. Ergo, a high risk of attack against western targets by terrorists existed.

*snip* The risk surely existed, that is not what we discuss, Lucianarchy. We discuss your prediction:

Did you predict:

1) That an increased risk of terrism would exist in the weeks around Aug. 4th?

2) That a serious attack would be averted on Aug. 4th?

3) That a serious attack would occur on Aug. 4th?

No need to answer, it is firmly on record that you predicted #3.

Did a serious attack occur on Aug. 4th?

No need to answer, it is a fact that none did.

So was your predition right or wrong?

Do answer that question.

Hans

[princhester]

Why did you start a new thread, Luci? Was it because you wanted a bit of distance between your prediction and the "epilogue"?

Because what you said originally was

"I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target"

Now I've read that a number of times, and I just can't seem to read it to mean "I perceive a risk of something awful" or "I perceive a risk of an attack" or "I perceive something awful or an attack will be foiled by heightened security".

Nope, you predicted an attack and an awful thing, and you were wrong.

You know it too, which is why you've learned a lesson and your prediction for 19 September is merely of a "high risk window for similar attacks".

Analysis:

- if there is an attack, you'll claim credit
- if there isn't an actual attack, you'll say "well, there wasn't an attack but it was a high risk time". There will be the usual perception of risk of an attack in the "window" around the anniversary of 9/11, so you will be right in your prediction.

May as well congratulate you now, I already know your prediction is going to be right.

Good one buddy, your powers are phenomenal.

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
...as they say, "Even a blind wombat could get lucky once in a while."
Why they say that and who they are, I have no idea. Around these parts, they say "Even a blind pig finds the trough now and then."

And "they" is me. And a number of my colleagues currently meeting in an undisclosed location.

[Prester John]

I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).

So which part of this was correct then?

[Flo]

Originally posted by Prester John
So which part of this was correct then?

Well, the scorn we attacked Luci with during the whole of the 4th must definitely have felt awful, and I believe he's in the UK, so ... :D

[princhester]

Originally posted by Prester John
So which part of this was correct then?

If we assume Luci is deluded rather than lying, then perhaps the whole of his statement is true. He did indeed perceive there would be an attack.

Unfortunately his perception was wrong.

[BPSCG]

So we had a vague, non-specific prediction and when even that turned out to be wrong, we got an excuse that subsequent events made the prediction false.

Okay. Here's my prediction: I predict the Yankees will win this year's World Series. Unless another team finds a way to beat them.

Remember, you read it here first.

[CFLarsen]

Fool.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets.

In addition, on the 4th August, MI5 managed to arrest up to 12 terrorists in the UK who were planning an attack on Heathrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3537462.stm.

This has nothing to do with your prediction.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Like the 'Ladybrook' perception, it seems that attacks may not necessarily take place, they may be thwarted either bu intelligence tip-offs, or other action taken between the time of perception and the planned time of the attack.

Interesting. You have just admitted that you did not predict the "ladybrook terrorist attack", but one that was thwarted. Ergo, it didn't happen. That you have previously claimed that such an "attack" happened, is only testament to your delusion and deceit.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Obviously, the intelligence reports from the major agencies have proved that attacks were planned for this time, yet the correct application of intelligence can defeat terrorism if they act on all lines of communication.

Doesn't matter. Your prediction did not come true.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.

Similar to what??? Be specific.



Originally posted by Lucianarchy
If that had not happened, then I would of course say that the prediction was not significant. However, there evidently was an extremely high risk, so the predition remains significant.

Fool.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
But the fact is, there was an extremely high security alert enforced through the intelligence agancies over that period. Ergo, a high risk of attack against western targets by terrorists existed.

Based on 3 year old intelligence, yes. And no attack happened. Your prediction did not come true.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully, such action on intelligence would have foiled any planned attack.

How do you know this?

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Peace.

Fool.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Apparently, Luci's predictions are based on the current state of affaris at the time of the prediction, rather than being actual precognitive visions. That is why this particular prediction was not accurate: Something was done in the meantime to change the state of affairs (heightened security).

This is called informed guessing, not precognition.

~~ Paul

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
Apparently, Luci's predictions are based on the current state of affaris at the time of the prediction, rather than being actual precognitive visions. That is why this particular prediction was not accurate: Something was done in the meantime to change the state of affairs (heightened security).

This is called informed guessing, not precognition.

~~ Paul Informed?

[Jeff Corey]

Maybe someone who has an archive including all L's incorrect predictions, including "Ladybrook", could assemble them into an article for Skeptic Report.

[Ersby]

Oh, Lucian, this is pathetic.

You made a guess. You got it wrong. Completely wrong. Face up to it. Be a man. Paul Bethke used exactly the same tactics as you and he was a dismal clown, and if you want to become one to (assuming you aren't already) that's fine. I'm sure one of the admin people will happily change your field name. Just drop the Dr Steinkamp/Home Office claims, too. If you don't mind.

[Ersby]

And your original link doesn't work.

Peace.

[Doubt]

I will again offer a counter prediction:

I have perceived 19th September as another window for similar positive event and hope and pray that the I will profit from the event without interference from intelligence agencies acting to thwarting such an event.

[Marian]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.

Peace.

http://eqscreenshot.homestead.com/files/idea.jpg

[chillzero]

Originally posted by Ersby
And your original link doesn't work.

Peace.

You need to delete the fullstop at the end of the link when it opens.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
in other words..."I predicted something would happen and it did not."

By your standards, I can predict someone's death but when they cease to expire on my predicted day I could thank his doctors for recommending he keep his weight down therefore preventing his early demise. I predicted his death but thank goodness it was thwarted by the diligence of his doctors.

You are deluded.

Far be it for me to defend silly predictions, but you're being ludicrous here. Are you actually suggesting that the future is laid down and that there is nothing we can do to prevent it happening?

Besides, the evidence suggests that when people do, say, dream of a future event, they can take actions to prevent it happening; especially so if it is an event which would have happened to them.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by Chad Noles
Your so called premonition was obviously wrong.If you had had an actual premonition, it would have been about how the planned attack was twarted.Maybe someday people will figure this out.

Nah, it doesn't work like that.

[troy jones]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Besides, the evidence suggests that when people do, say, dream of a future event, they can take actions to prevent it happening; especially so if it is an event which would have happened to them.
So when dreams/predictions/whatever come true it's evidence that precognition exists, and when they fail to come true it's evidence that psychic powers influence future events. Nice.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Correct. The unprecedented heightened security over the last few days has undoubtably been good for the protection against such attacks.

... <more senseless drivel>... Good for pretection equals bad for prediction.

You must be conflicted. I predict your head will explode in a flurry of cognitive dissonance. Seek protection by taking your lithium.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Far be it for me to defend silly predictions, but you're being ludicrous here. Are you actually suggesting that the future is laid down and that there is nothing we can do to prevent it happening?I don't know if the future is fixed or not, but isn't that exactly what people who "see the future" are claiming? If not, how is "seeing the future" any different from simply imagining the possibility of a future event? If the future is not fixed, what exactly are people like Luci "seeing"?
Besides, the evidence suggests that when people do, say, dream of a future event, they can take actions to prevent it happening; especially so if it is an event which would have happened to them. I suspect this is one of those situations where, should the future come close to what they "saw", they remember the hits and forget misses, or rationalize them into "near-hits" as Luci has done here. Do you have a source for this evidence and does it only consider "near-hits" or does also take solid misses into account too?

edited: I'd also be interested in how they distinguish between near-hits and full misses.

[Zamzara]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Nah, it doesn't work like that.

And it doesn't seem to work at all.

[Nyarlathotep]

Luci, by your logic you can't lose. If something had happened you wouold count yourself as being right (obviously) but when nothing happened you claim that something was GOING to happen but was prevented, and still claim yourself as being right.

Do you see the problem here? Can you accept the possibility that you may have been just plain wrong?

[troy jones]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I'd also be interested in how they distinguish between near-hits and full misses.
There are no full misses. If reality appears to deviate from prediction, it's because secret government agents took action based on the information in the prediction.

[Upchurch]

Let me try something:

"I believe that on Friday, August 6, 2004, a member of this board, or someone known by a member of this board, will be in an unfortunate incident involving a car. So, please tell everyone you know to be careful tomorrow and be careful yourself."

Now, how can this "prediction" possibly go wrong? Given the large number of people who are members of this board and, further, the number of people known by members of this board, the odds against "an unfortunate incident involving a car" (a common event) are probably insignificant.

Still further, I didn't specify what incident would occur, only that it would involve a car and it would be unfortunate. That could range from stubbing your toe in a parking lot to having a major multi-car pile up. Heck, spilling your soda during an exciting car chase in a movie would work.

And if none of that happens to anyone in our massive pool of people, it's because I warned them in time?

Now, how do you distinguish my prediction (which I absolutely concocted solely from my own imagination) from something like Luci's premonition?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Let me try something:

"I believe that on Friday, August 6, 2004, a member of this board, or someone known by a member of this board, will be in an unfortunate incident involving a car. So, please tell everyone you know to be careful tomorrow and be careful yourself."

Now, how can this "prediction" possibly go wrong? Given the large number of people who are members of this board and, further, the number of people known by members of this board, the odds against "an unfortunate incident involving a car" (a common event) are probably insignificant.

Still further, I didn't specify what incident would occur, only that it would involve a car and it would be unfortunate. That could range from stubbing your toe in a parking lot to having a major multi-car pile up. Heck, spilling your soda during an exciting car chase in a movie would work.

And if none of that happens to anyone in our massive pool of people, it's because I warned them in time?

Now, how do you distinguish my prediction (which I absolutely concocted solely from my own imagination) from something like Luci's premonition?

You can't. But it sounds like an interesting experiment and may I humbly suggest you make a new thread with your "prediction" and see how many people chime in over the weekend and give you "hits".

[Upchurch]

m'kay

[thaiboxerken]

WTF are you, Luci, A FREAKING IDIOT?!!?!

You predicted something horrible to happen, and it did not happen. Then you say it's because of heightened security. Well, anal-funk, why did you not predict the heightened security as well?! If you truly had predictive powers, you would not have made this prediction at all and instead made the prediction "attack is planned but none will happen because of heightened security". You only prove yourself to be a freaking moron with threads like this, Luci.

Maybe you are implying that protective agencies heightened security based on your "prediction". If so, do you have evidence to support this statement? I seriously doubt that the FBI, CIA or any other agency monitors your idiotic and vague predictions as a source of intelligence. Your predictions are more a source of stupidity.

[CFLarsen]

Temper, temper.

Lucianarchy is not an idiot. He is just not all there. Or here.

[thaiboxerken]

Luci is not only an idiot, but insanely deluded and a worthless piece of garbage posing as a man.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Nah, it doesn't work like that.

How does it work, then?

How do you know how it works?

[Lucianarchy]

I think a few of you are getting a little hysterical about all this.

I predicted that an attack by terrorists against Western targets was being planned for the 4th August.

Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled.

Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.

Had they been as skeptical as some of the cynics here, perhaps we would be many lives short today. Thankfully, they are not cynics.

[thaiboxerken]

You are a LIAR, Luci. There was no "heightened state" of security due to your "prediction". You have no ties with the intelligence community. You are a fool.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think a few of you are getting a little hysterical about all this.

I predicted that an attack by terrorists against Western targets was being planned for the 4th August.

Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled.

Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.

Had they been as skeptical as some of the cynics here, perhaps we would be many lives short today. Thankfully, they are not cynics.

Let me get this crystal clear, Lucianarchy:

Do you think that your prediction came true, yes or no?

[thaiboxerken]

A guy stabbed a doorman at a "western" hospital in Beijing that day. If the police had not of stopped him, maybe he would've killed over 90 people that day. Why aren't you taking credit for this "event" as well, Luci?

[hgc]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think a few of you are getting a little hysterical about all this.

I predicted that an attack by terrorists against Western targets was being planned for the 4th August.

Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled.

Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.

Had they been as skeptical as some of the cynics here, perhaps we would be many lives short today. Thankfully, they are not cynics. Very slippery. No, you didn't predict something was "being planned." Here's the prediction:I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).

[Upchurch]

ken, please calm down.

Luci, he has a point however. It is highly unlikely that the federal goverment reviews the JREF website looking for hints to the next terrorist attack (let alone the British goverment). How would you account for the fact that your predicted event did not come to pass given that you did not interfere with the proceedings in any way?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy

Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.


What evidence? The heightened state of alert was because they found three year old surveillance photos of certain targets in the lap-top of an Al Qaida leader. They heightened the state of alert, yes, but it is a far cry to say from that that an attack was immanent (many people have suggested that the alert was more politically motivated than anything, but that's a discussion for the politics board). I said it before and I'll say it again, you have a talent for exaggeration.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by hgc
Very slippery. No, you didn't predict something was "being planned."

We see the first step of Lucianarchy-spinning. Watch his wordings very carefully.

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think a few of you are getting a little hysterical about all this.

I predicted that an attack by terrorists against Western targets was being planned for the 4th August.

Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled.

Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.

Had they been as skeptical as some of the cynics here, perhaps we would be many lives short today. Thankfully, they are not cynics. It seems to me that the news reports regarding this three-year-old information did narrow the alert window down...but not to the 4th. They suspected that something will happen, perhaps during August or early September (thus, the republican convention was a possibility, as were several other events).

It seems to me that they have not stepped down the security yet, and the 4th has passed...or might the increased security have nothing whatsoever to do with your prediction?

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I predicted that an attack by terrorists against Western targets was being planned for the 4th August.

Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled.

Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.

And what did I say before?

Originally posted by me earlier
His excuse would probably be:

"The parties in the prediction took my advice - hense, the tradgedy was avoided"

Hot dang, I must be psychic.

Luci, you're just as predictable and deluded as always.

[Lucianarchy]

Originally posted by Upchurch
ken, please calm down.

It is highly unlikely that the federal goverment reviews the JREF website looking for hints to the next terrorist attack (let alone the British goverment).

I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.

Thank you for calming Ken down. Althoug I do understand why some people are getting hysterical over such a significant correlation of events.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.

Do tell us. Surprise us. What do you know about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence?

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thank you for calming Ken down. Althoug I do understand why some people are getting hysterical over such a significant correlation of events.

Instead of boosting this false claim, why don't you answer some of the questions?

[alfaniner]

If something had happened, I might have said "OK, I'll give you that one. Lucky guess. Now do it again." As nothing has happened at all, (either time), and the weaseling to explain why approaches infinity, I say "blah, blah, blah."

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.

Yup, sure - they use their infinite resources to scan vague phrophesies / predictions on internet bulletin boards in an attempt to catch terrorist susepcts which aren't even mentioned on the prediction at all.

Can someone say Non-sequitor?

Thank you for calming Ken down. Althoug I do understand why some people are getting hysterical over such a significant correlation of events.

Oh no! Our world view has been shattered by.......post-hoc reasoning...:rolleyes:

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Althoug I do understand why some people are getting hysterical over such a significant correlation of events.
A significant negative correlation, you mean.

[Anders]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think a few of you are getting a little hysterical about all this.

I predicted that an attack by terrorists against Western targets was being planned for the 4th August.

Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled.

U don't know when the terrorist planned to implement the alleged attack, now, do you? The Brittish Police and Intelligence Service didn't act on the same day as the terrorist where on their way to Heathrow or Luton, the terrorists were not apprehended Ã_n their cars with together with weapons and explosives. They were apprehended in their homes, or in cars near their homes.

Well, U might have access to reports form MI5 that we don't?


Therefore, the evidence from the intelligence community suggests that such an attack was immenent, and, thank Gaia, they took the appropriate action to stop it.


Nothing in the reporting said that an attack was immenent. The men arrested was arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000. Hundreds of people have been arrested under that act, 15 has been convicted. My guess, not a prediction, no, not in any way, just a guess, is that most of these men will be released within a few days and even more of them in a couple of weeks.

You're reasoning has logical holes that you could run trucks through.

Had they been as skeptical as some of the cynics here, perhaps we would be many lives short today. Thankfully, they are not cynics.
The police works with evidence, ever seen C.S.I on the telly? The don't believe, they know, or they don't, it's as simple as that.

The arrests were done after the gathering of evidence, not after consulting the tarot cards!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence. Do you believe they monitor this forum board for hints about terrorist activities? Is there reason to think so?

[Darat]

Doubt over airport 'terror plot'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3537462.stm

(Highlight by me.)
...snip....

'Constantly alert'

The Home Office said it would not comment on the details of intelligence, but confirmed that there had not been a specific threat.

A spokeswoman said: "If there had been a specific, credible threat then we would let the public know."

Leader of the Commons Peter Hain also denied there was a "specific threat" but claimed the government was "constantly alert".

"We know that al-Qaeda networks have been active in Britain," he told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme.

While refusing to comment on specific intelligence, he added: "What you are seeing here is the result of constant surveillance, constant intelligence."

...snip...


(Edited for ...snips... )

[Ed]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.




Luci, you are Grenarding again. He would regularly allude in subtle terms how he was "in the know". Very pathetic.

[Lucianarchy]

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[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Even if was allowed to confirm this, you wouldn't believe me.

Who is denying you posting it here?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.

Thank you for calming Ken down. Althoug I do understand why some people are getting hysterical over such a significant correlation of events.

Significant correlation of events?

:dl:

Oh wait, you're serious.

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
. Why did you edit this away?

[Anders]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Far be it for me to defend silly predictions, but you're being ludicrous here. Are you actually suggesting that the future is laid down and that there is nothing we can do to prevent it happening?

Besides, the evidence suggests that when people do, say, dream of a future event, they can take actions to prevent it happening; especially so if it is an event which would have happened to them.
Oh please, what evidence? You know, reports, interviews, tests, etc.

Edited to add these tags

Could it be that Luci predicted ONE (1) future, out of an infinity of futures, but, another future took place instead?

[Upchurch]

Actually, I'd like to retract something I said earlier.

Given that a certain government employee probably viewed the JREF forum from his Pentagon office and given that it is highly likely that his internet usage was probably monitored (more so than in your average employer/employee situation), it probably is likely that the U.S. government does monitor this board, or did in the past.

I still doubt that they are looking for clues to terrorist activity here and, even if they were, there really wasn't enough information in Luci's premonition to be of any use.

[Anders]

quote:
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Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Even if was allowed to confirm this, you wouldn't believe me.
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Ok, I dont' belive much about what U put on this board, but I might belive this, perhaps!

Just kidding, I wouldn't! :biggrin:

It is so hard to take this whole affair seriously! But is real fun, more fun than to study for an exam in molecular biology, which I should be doing right now!

[Chad Noles]

Originally posted by Ian:Nah, it doesn't work like that.

I could just say,yeah it does.Instead I'll ask you to show your proof that it doesn't.

[scratchy]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Why did you edit this away?

Under gunthreat from MI5, who just smashed his door, maybe?

[RabbiSatan]

Originally posted by scratchy
Under gunthreat from MI5, who just smashed his door, maybe?

That would explain his silence / absence...

Oh noz! M15, the CIA, Mossad, the KGB are onto us!!!!!!

[thaiboxerken]

Doom III is more significant than this "prediction" of yours, Luci. Actually, klingons in my shorts are more significant. Go seek therapy, Luci, because you are insane.

[Cthulhu]

I need to ask a question.

I dont know if this has been addressed elswewhere, if it has, I am too lazy right now to searh for it. :D

Lets say one of these jokers maks a prediction, ie, "there will be an attack this day, blah blah blah blah".

And it happens.

Could said joker be prosecuted as an accomplice?

In the eyes of the law, how else could said joker have known that there would be attacks that day, unless they were in on it....

Just a thought.

(edit to fix spelling error)

[Anders]

No No Luci is not insane, he's just a firm and convinced believer in the occult. I use to be that as well, until I realised that there are NOTHING THERE, no magic, no psi, no Lemuria, Atlantis, or Mu, no gods or daemons.

The realisation will come to Luci eventually, just wait....a looooong time....

[scratchy]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
I need to ask a question.

I dont know if this has been addressed elswewhere, if it has, I am too lazy right now to searh for it. :D

Lets say one of these jokers maks a prediction, ie, "there will be an attack this day, blah blah blah blah".

And it happens.

Could said joker be prosecuted as an accomplice?

In the eyes of the law, how else could said joker have known that there would be attacks that day, unless they were in on it....

Just a thought.

(edit to fix spelling error)

Well, i think there are so many predictions out there that there is a hit for any given day. So there's probably no risk for that to happen, unless a successfull prediction is very specific.

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by scratchy
Well, i think there are so many predictions out there that there is a hit for any given day. So its probably no risk for that to happen, unless a successfull prediction is very specific.

Ahh..you know, I hadn't thought of that.

They are never specific, and one joker amongst many, it is nearly impossible to pick him out. :D

[thaiboxerken]

If only self-deception was painful..... then maybe this arse-lick called Luci would feel enough pain to stop with it.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
If only self-deception was painful..... then maybe this arse-lick called Luci would feel enough pain to stop with it. Ken, please stop with the crudeness. It neither constructive nor necessary.

[scratchy]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
If only self-deception was painful..... then maybe this arse-lick called Luci would feel enough pain to stop with it.

Instead self deception is the painkiller allways at hand.

[Chad Noles]

Actually,Cthulhu in the eyes of the law there would have to be some connection to the perpetrators of whatever it was that happened.If there wasn't any sort of physical link,be it meetings,emails,phone calls,etc. it would be hard to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the two parties were involved with one another.

[scratchy]

Feels like the battle over this prediction is over for now, and we're just scavenging the fields. The unsinkable has sunk, or maybe he just sneaked away to alert the psychic cavallrybrigades?

[Chupacabras]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.

I have seen thieves that start heistating just after a robbery and then break into a house *again* to return the loot.

So here's my theory:

Lucianarchy is a terrorist (as previously proposed in the Ladybrook thread and now by Cthulhu) involved in the organization of such attacks. However, he has a burning feeling of guilt and a dilemma, so he makes predictions and then "spills the beans" to the police every once in a while, so he can fight for
the cause and still be the good guy, instead of a despicable killer. :rolleyes:

[thaiboxerken]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Ken, please stop with the crudeness. It neither constructive nor necessary.

Is it necessary or constructive to make predictions on a forum and then claim victory when they don't come true?

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Is it necessary or constructive to make predictions on a forum and then claim victory when they don't come true? I'd say a great many people have benefitted from the analysis of this particular example. Hey, I plan to use it in my classes...

Luci already looks silly enough after this failed prediction and ridiculous dance. Too much crudity could give him some sympathy (poor, abused Luci!). I'd just as soon let his words and actions speak for him--they do so much more eloquently than insults could hope to.

[Sloe_Bohemian]

Luci started a new thread to explain it/her's "victory"... rather than include it in the volumes of posts predicting/documenting failure... wonder why?

Well, it's still time for a victory lap... where ever she/it runs...






I just wanted to gloat....

Luci was WRAU-ONG!!! WRONG! WRONG! R-R-R-RAW...AUNG!!! WRONG! MissTook'n FALSCH!!! B-z-z-z-z-z Wrongaroni and Wrongaroo G-O-N-G-G - G - G !!!!! :D Hit the Road, Jack... an' don't come back, nomore no more no MORE, NO More!!!! Luci was WRAU-ONG!!! WRONG! WRONG! R-R-R-RAW...AUNG!!! WRONG! MissTook'n FALSCH!!! B-z-z-z-z-z Wrongaroni and Wrongaroo G-O-N-G-G - G - G !!!!! Hit the Road, Jack... an' don't come back, nomore no more no MORE, NO More!!!! Luci was WRAU-ONG!!! WRONG! WRONG! R-R-R-RAW...AUNG!!! :cool: WRONG! MissTook'n FALSCH!!! B-z-z-z-z-z Wrongaroni and Wrongaroo G-O-N-G-G - G - G !!!!! Hit the Road, Jack... an' don't come back, nomore no more no MORE, NO More!!!! Luci was WRAU-ONG!!! WRONG! WRONG! R-R-R-RAW...AUNG!!! WRONG! MissTook'n FALSCH!!! B-z-z-z-z-z Wrongaroni and Wrongaroo G-O-N-G-G - G - G !!!!! Hit the Road, Jack... an' don't come back, nomore no more no MORE, NO More!!!! Luci was WRAU-ONG!!! WRONG! WRONG! R-R-R-RAW...AUNG!!! WRONG! MissTook'n FALSCH!!! B-z-z-z-z-z Wrongaroni and Wrongaroo G-O-N-G-G - G - G !!!!! Hit the Road, Jack... an' don't come back, nomore no more no MORE, NO More!!!! Luci was WRAU-ONG!!! WRONG! WRONG! R-R-R-RAW...AUNG!!! WRONG! MissTook'n FALSCH!!! B-z-z-z-z-z Wrongaroni and Wrongaroo G-O-N-G-G - G - G !!!!! :D Hit the Road, Jack... an' don't come back, nomore no more no MORE, NO More!!!!



Sometimes you just need to take a moment...
sit back....
and enjoy the superior feeling that comes from rejecting the "woo"

[Cleopatra]

Hi Luci.

I am sure that right now you must feel relieved that you were wrong and your "prediction" wasn't right. I suggest --in an honestly friendly manner-- that you stop posting those predictions without being more specific because even if you have a case ( to be honest with you I believe that you don't have any case) you just lose it.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I am sure that right now you must feel relieved that you were wrong and your "prediction" wasn't right. I suggest --in an honestly friendly manner-- that you stop posting those predictions without being more specific because even if you have a case ( to be honest with you I believe that you don't have any case) you just lose it.

In more ways than one, yes.

But no, I disagree. Lucianarchy should post his predictions. In fact, it's the only course of action he can take. How else is he going to maintain the illusion that he has paranormal powers?

How else is he going to justify that he is alive?

[chipotle]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Let me try something:

"I believe that on Friday, August 6, 2004, a member of this board, or someone known by a member of this board, will be in an unfortunate incident involving a car. So, please tell everyone you know to be careful tomorrow and be careful yourself."

Now, how can this "prediction" possibly go wrong? Given the large number of people who are members of this board and, further, the number of people known by members of this board, the odds against "an unfortunate incident involving a car" (a common event) are probably insignificant.

Upchurch, you mean insubstantial, not insignificant. Significance is a measure of the distinctness of two statistics, not of their magnitude. Suppose I say that the high temp measured Friday off the Oceanside pier will be 75 degrees plus or minus 1. Now if it turns out to be 77, that's significant, because I specified that my confidence interval was 74-76. But it's insubstantial, since you wear the same clothes and play the same games at 75 or 77.

Is that clear? What's more clear is why James insists on tests that don't require statistical analysis for judging.

The rule of thumb is don't use the word "significant" or any derivative when talking about measurement or probability, unless you really mean it. (And even then.)

[MRC_Hans]

Well, I have figured out Lucianarchy's scoring system. There are four levels: Hit, significant, not significant, miss. I have not seen Lucianarchy ever mention the miss category, but I assume it must exist, otherwise the term "hit" becomes meaningless.

Applied to the recent situation, they work like this:

Hit: Something awful happened to a Western taget on Aug. 4th.

Significant: Theoretically, something awful COULD have happened to a Western target on Aug. 4th.

Not significant: It was unthinkable that something even remotely awful could have happened to a Western target on Aug. 4th.

Miss: It turned out that there was no Aug. 4th in this year's calendar.


Hans :rolleyes:

[Rolfe]

[off topic]
4th August 2004 was the 100th anniversary of my father's birth. (Yes I was a very late child, don't start....)
[/off topic]

Rolfe.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Rolfe
[off topic]
4th August 2004 was the 100th anniversary of my father's birth. (Yes I was a very late child, don't start....)
[/off topic]

Rolfe. Well, quite frankly, in spite of everything ;), that hardly qualifies as "something awful happening to a Western target"?

Hans :D

[Operaider]

I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe). Did an attack on a Western Target occur? NoCleopatra: For the sake of people you must give it another try and be more specific.
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Luci : I wish I could, Cleopatra. However, I can only report what I percieve.So his original prediction was all the information he could give. Until... I understand, but I can only provide what I percieve. The 'awful' aspect of the perception seemed to project over 100 casualties (death or serious injury). I really hope I am wrong. But the perception was strong. Suddenly more information came up. "Over 100 casualties". This is something easily measured. Though still very vague. I have already said that the perceptions are often vague, it is the fact that significant repeated correlations occur over time that warrant the recording. To juts have one correlation is perhaps lucky. But I have been able to do this over many occasions. You heard it here first, he's been able to predict events like the one that failed to happen on Aug 4th "over many occasions".I accept you may see that as 'vague'. But attacks with over 100 casualties like that are not, thankfully, every day events. Nor were they the events of yesterday.I perceive a Western target as one controlled / operated / symbolic of the Western forces of power - armed / industrial / social. Which is just about everywhere, with the possible possible exception of the moon.Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets. I've searched the news and have yet to mind any mention of "any attack planned for the 4th August". Nor do I find the "heightened security" to be "unprecedented". Unprecedented would be if we had this type of security before 9/11. What we have right now is on par with the threat level.In addition, on the 4th August, MI5 managed to arrest up to 12 terrorists in the UK who were planning an attack on Heathrow.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/ "more from the UK: doubt over airport 'terror plot'"
They are not claiming the caught the suspects in the act of committing an attack. If they did I'm sure it would be front-page news. They said he was planning an attack.Like the 'Ladybrook' perception, it seems that attacks may not necessarily take place Allot of things "may not necessarily take place". Forgive me for not being impressed.they may be thwarted either by intelligence tip-offs, or other action taken between the time of perception and the planned time of the attackEven if someone did tip them off, there would be nothing they could do based on your prophecy. Do you think they read your post and immediately scrambled to send as many men they could to every potential "Western Target" they could think of?Obviously, the intelligence reports from the major agencies have proved that attacks were planned for this time, Nope reread the BBC news. They were not "planned for this time", they were, if anything, planning at that time.I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack. THERE WAS NO ATTACK! Are you saying that on Sept 19th there won't be an attack again?The unprecedented heightened security over the last few days has undoubtably been good for the protection against such attacks. The UK arrests foiled at least one attempt. The heightened security in the US and elsewhere would have undoubtable thwarted any other attacks planned for this time.

Everyone know that security has been drastically heightened this week as a result of the intelligence community working together. Shouldn't your prediction have taken into account the "unprecedented heightened security over the last few days". It was not a result of you prediction, and hence should have been easily foreseen in your prediction.
If the CIA. FBI, DIA, MI5 etc had not enforced heightened security on western targets over this time, then that would suggest that an attack by terrorists against a western target was not a risk. Of course its a risk. It’s been a risk for a long time. It will be a risk for a long time to come. I predict they will probably heighten security just about every time they get info of a threat. Not info from some lunatic on a web site, but from real intelligence like they did in this case.Due to the action of the intelligence community, and everyone knows the positive action of heightened state of alert which was imposed over the 4th, such an attack would have been foiled. There was no more a heightened state of alert on the 4th than there was on the 3rd, and no more than there is today.think you would be surprised about how the FBI/CIA/MI5 gain some of their intelligence.If they get it from crackpots posting rumors on web sites than I'm moving to Canada.

[Operaider]

Just felt like doing a Greatest Hits collection of Luci's Aug 4th prediction. Though I guess in her case its more of a Greatest Misses. I've left out her rants on the Iraq poilice station attack. Huntsman responded to them better than I can. I also left out her stuff about the prediction being "self evident", I still have no idea what she was talking about. Best I could tell it ment that since she believes it, it must be true.

[Nyarlathotep]

I wish Luci logic worked in the casinos. If I were playing roulette and my number comes up I win, if it doesn't come up I win anyway because it clearly WOULD have come up but something happened to change it. I'd be a rich, rich man.

[lofgoernost]

Posted by Lucianarchy

The intelligence agencies have shown that they are prepared and will act on information given to them.

Will you be informing them of your 19th Sept. concerns?

Did you inform them of your 4th Aug. prediction?

[Donks]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets.


How exactly are the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5, etc. supposed to use intelligence so vague as to be only a date, not even a location or a name?
"Hey, how about we all do what we do every day of the year and watch for possible terrorist activity all over the world?"

I join the crowd that thinks Lucianarchy is delusional.

[billydkid]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
You are welcome to your opinion, Flo.

But the fact is, there was an extremely high security alert enforced through the intelligence agancies over that period. Ergo, a high risk of attack against western targets by terrorists existed.

Thankfully, such action on intelligence would have foiled any planned attack.

Very sad indeed. Bordering on the pathetic.

[Chupacabras]

Originally posted by lofgoernost
Will you be informing them of your 19th Sept. concerns?

Did you inform them of your 4th Aug. prediction?


[Lucianarchy voice]

You and I both know the answer to that. :rolleyes:

[/Lucianarchy voice]

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy

I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.


I have the same issue with this "prediction" as I had with the previous one. It's too vague.
Everyone here can replicate your so-called prognostications without psychic powers. Why should we believe yours are genuine?

[The Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by Operaider
Did an attack on a Western Target occur? NoSo his original prediction was all the information he could give. Until... Suddenly more information came up. "Over 100 casualties". This is something easily measured. Though still very vague. You heard it here first, he's been able to predict events like the one that failed to happen on Aug 4th "over many occasions". Nor were they the events of yesterday. Which is just about everywhere, with the possible possible exception of the moon. I've searched the news and have yet to mind any mention of "any attack planned for the 4th August". Nor do I find the "heightened security" to be "unprecedented". Unprecedented would be if we had this type of security before 9/11. What we have right now is on par with the threat level.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/ "more from the UK: doubt over airport 'terror plot'"
They are not claiming the caught the suspects in the act of committing an attack. If they did I'm sure it would be front-page news. They said he was planning an attack. Allot of things "may not necessarily take place". Forgive me for not being impressed.Even if someone did tip them off, there would be nothing they could do based on your prophecy. Do you think they read your post and immediately scrambled to send as many men they could to every potential "Western Target" they could think of? Nope reread the BBC news. They were not "planned for this time", they were, if anything, planning at that time. THERE WAS NO ATTACK! Are you saying that on Sept 19th there won't be an attack again? Shouldn't your prediction have taken into account the "unprecedented heightened security over the last few days". It was not a result of you prediction, and hence should have been easily foreseen in your prediction. Of course its a risk. It’s been a risk for a long time. It will be a risk for a long time to come. I predict they will probably heighten security just about every time they get info of a threat. Not info from some lunatic on a web site, but from real intelligence like they did in this case. There was no more a heightened state of alert on the 4th than there was on the 3rd, and no more than there is today.If they get it from crackpots posting rumors on web sites than I'm moving to Canada.

Good analysis of this whole sorry affair.

What I wonder is: what are these 'perceptions' like in Lucianarchy's head?

Are they visual, aural, vague thoughts, passing fancies, daydreams, or what?

I mean, how does he perceive 'over 100 casualties'. How does he differentiate between perceptions of 'casualties' and perceptions of 'people dead'?

Of course, lack of specificity is a hallmark of psychic predictions, and 'casualties' is a convenient out.

I also wonder about the general psychic's get out clause:

"I see your future. But it is not fixed. You can change your future."

So, what 'future' are they 'seeing'?

I'm surprised the charlatans don't start saying that their failed predictions actually did happen . . . in another timeline, in a parallel universe, or some such.

There are many who would believe that.

Not to give unlucky Luci any ideas, or anything;)

[Chemical_Penguin]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy

I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks

Wow you're really good, I've read your previous predictions on this board with great joy! You had been my favorite prophet to date...but, I must confess, there is someone else. She and I met over dinner one night at the "Manchu Wok" buffet, and right off the bat she gave me a prediction that soon came true. She said "Tonight will begin your life of wealth" and lo and behold the fortune-cookie...err I mean.. my new partner was 100% accurate, I bought a lottery ticket... and lost! She "saw" that I was going to win the jackpot, but statistics was on hightened alert and prevented the start of my successful life. But I was too much in awe of her dead-on hit to care about the loss of wealth.

Hopefully Luci, one day, you'll enhance your psi-ability to the point where you can become a formidable opponent for even the least vague of fortune cookie.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
What I wonder is: what are these 'perceptions' like in Lucianarchy's head?

Are they visual, aural, vague thoughts, passing fancies, daydreams, or what?

I mean, how does he perceive 'over 100 casualties'. How does he differentiate between perceptions of 'casualties' and perceptions of 'people dead'?

Of course, lack of specificity is a hallmark of psychic predictions, and 'casualties' is a convenient out.

It is telling that his predictions seem to change over time. He can add details later on that did not show up at first - or at least wasn't reported. He can also play down previously stated bits.

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
I also wonder about the general psychic's get out clause:

"I see your future. But it is not fixed. You can change your future."

So, what 'future' are they 'seeing'?

I would say that it is clear that, for Lucianarchy, the future and past are plastic in nature. They can be changed. We have also seen this with other Superstitious: JustGeoff has argued that the past is changeable (although unable to show us how). Neofight, who believes in John Edward, has changed her perception of what happened at a JE seminar after seeing a tape of it - never acknowledging that she changed her mind at all.

What is rather ironic - no "psirony" here - is that the past and future are changeable by reality. They prove their point: that we all create our own reality - by pointing to something that we all can verify.

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I wish Luci logic worked in the casinos. If I were playing roulette and my number comes up I win, if it doesn't come up I win anyway because it clearly WOULD have come up but something happened to change it. I'd be a rich, rich man.

Yeah, but they NEVER use their powers for personal gain! :rolleyes:

And anyone that does will get theirs in the end..or something liek that... :rolleyes:

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
Yeah, but they NEVER use their powers for personal gain! :rolleyes:

And anyone that does will get theirs in the end..or something liek that... :rolleyes:

So I've heard. Pretty convenient for them, eh?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
So I've heard. Pretty convenient for them, eh?

This is one of the aspects of Superstitious Claims that I find the most annoying: It implies a higher state of morality. When reaching this level of "illumination", you achieve an almost god-like benevolence, a sanctified state of mind.

Until you get the tough questions from the skeptics, then the facade cracks like an eggshell, and the insults and threats begin to fly.

I have rarely met anyone as thin-skinned as the Superstitious.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
This is one of the aspects of Superstitious Claims that I find the most annoying: It implies a higher state of morality. When reaching this level of "illumination", you achieve an almost god-like benevolence, a sanctified state of mind.

Until you get the tough questions from the skeptics, then the facade cracks like an eggshell, and the insults and threats begin to fly.

I have rarely met anyone as thin-skinned as the Superstitious.

That's true. The other thing about that midset that really slays me that supposed higher state of morality is how often they claim not to care about things like money yet they have absolutely no qulams about charging people big bucks to learn how to do whatever it is that they claim to be able to do.

And if you call them on it, that thin-skinnedness you mentioned kicks in. Utterly amazing to me...

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
That's true. The other thing about that midset that really slays me that supposed higher state of morality is how often they claim not to care about things like money yet they have absolutely no qulams about charging people big bucks to learn how to do whatever it is that they claim to be able to do.

And if you call them on it, that thin-skinnedness you mentioned kicks in. Utterly amazing to me...

Oh, yes. Over a beer at TAM3, I'll tell you some sordid tales about just how much some are charging...

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Oh, yes. Over a beer at TAM3, I'll tell you some sordid tales about just how much some are charging...

I look forward to hearing it. But from some of the stuf I have seen, I can well imagine...

[jj]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
And if you call them on it, that thin-skinnedness you mentioned kicks in. Utterly amazing to me...

Well, people whose get rich quick schemes are exposed often are rather thin-skinned, for instance. That may or may not be germane to the present issue.

[RC]

What's hilarious about this thread is that you all fall into Luci's trap every single time. Deep down inside you all enjoy him/her, just like I do.

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by RC
What's hilarious about this thread is that you all fall into Luci's trap every single time. Deep down inside you all enjoy him/her, just like I do.
RC,
Long time, no see.
But I think Lucian is just toying with us. He is using this as a testing ground to see what he can get away with.
The ludicrous part was when he implied his predictions prevented his predictions.
Market Street

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
But I think Lucian is just toying with us. He is using this as a testing ground to see what he can get away with.

I disagree. I am sure that he believes he has paranormal powers. I know that he will do a lot to get people to believe it, too.

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
The ludicrous part was when he implied his predictions prevented his predictions.

Yes, well, that was a classic...one for the books. I also liked the Secret Service bit.

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
Market Street

Is this a threat??? ;)

[TheBoyPaj]

Since the intelligence which has led to the heightened security is several years old, perhaps Luci had access to it when he made his original prediction? He's always hinting at his links with the intelligence service, so maybe he was just using old data to shorten his odds?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
Since the intelligence which has led to the heightened security is several years old, perhaps Luci had access to it when he made his original prediction? He's always hinting at his links with the intelligence service, so maybe he was just using old data to shorten his odds?

Good point.

[Flaherty]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
The ludicrous part was when he implied his predictions prevented his predictions.
Market Street

Of course, he should have predicted that.

[Operaider]

Yeah, but they NEVER use their powers for personal gain!

And anyone that does will get theirs in the end..or something liek thatI can attest to this, as today I ran into John Edwards at my local fast food restaurant. After exchanging pleasantries he handed me my order and thanked me for visiting Taco Bell. I later went home where me meal was interrupted by Silvia Browne who was going door to door selling magazine subscriptions. It is quiet clear to me that these people are not making a dime off their talents.Since the intelligence which has led to the heightened security is several years old, perhaps Luci had access to it when he made his original prediction? He's always hinting at his links with the intelligence service, so maybe he was just using old data to shorten his odds?
Something tells me Luci is in no way associated with anything that has “Intelligence� in its name

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
Market Street Already happened (http://www.the-shipman-inquiry.org.uk/fr_page.asp?ID=164).

The funny thing is, the last time I saw someone post a random name in "Ladybrooke" fashion, the word used was Donneybrook (http://www.the-shipman-inquiry.org.uk/fr_page.asp?ID=149).

Some deep significance to this, surely....

Rolfe.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by RC
What's hilarious about this thread is that you all fall into Luci's trap every single time. Deep down inside you all enjoy him/her, just like I do.

Well, I wouldn't use the word "enjoy", but it certainly beats doing the message board equivalent of standing in front of the fence like the guys on "King of the Hill" going-
"Yup."
"Yep."
"Uh-huh."
"Yup."

[LTC8K6]

I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks

Ummmm.....similar to what?

There was no actual attack or planned attack on Aug. 4th for the predicted one around the 19th of Sep. to be similar to.

[JPK]

Originally posted by LTC8K6
Ummmm.....similar to what?

There was no actual attack or planned attack on Aug. 4th for the predicted one around the 19th of Sep. to be similar to.

So would an actuall attack or planned attack on the 19th of Sept. be a miss since Luci declared the fact that nothing happening on Aug 4th was a hit? Psi powers are very confusing.

JPK

[RabbiSatan]

*Bada-BUMP!!*

The date's drawing closer - only 13 more days to go! I wonder if Lucianarchy can further clarify his perceived attacks as the dates are drawing closer! *Snicker* That is, of course, if he hasn't been dragged off by M16 and other intellegence agencies as he's claimed :rolleyes:

Oh Luuuciiii, where aaahhh yoooooo? :D

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Lothian
Luci does need a shave. but that is no picture of her.

Dude Luci in your picture is in America. Unfortunately mad Luci isn't

Evidence that Lucianarchy is female?

Evidence that Lucianarchy is in the UK?

[princhester]

How wide is a "window"? Does the Russian school incident count?

[anduin]

Luci was a month off. He was clearly predicting Beslan! :rr:

[Lothian]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Evidence that Lucianarchy is female?

Evidence that Lucianarchy is in the UK? I would send it to you but you don't have the PM facility.

[RabbiSatan]

*cough*

Since Lucianarchy has graced us with his return, I wonder if he would like to further clarify his "prediction", and / or whether or not his prediction will invalidate his own prediction.

[Kopji]

Today's Disaster is Hurricane Ivan

Hurricane Ivan is battering the Cayman Islands after moving on from Jamaica where it killed at least 14 people.




Part 1 of an exciting new disaster advent calendar

[Kopji]

Countdown to disaster on the 19th

Sept 13th
Not all disasters are sudden, some begin as small events and slowly grow.


President Vladimir Putin has ordered a drastic overhaul of the way Russia is run in the wake of a series of bombings and deadly attacks on civilians.
Mr Putin said strengthening central government control was a necessary part of the fight against terrorism.


"But I also made it clear to (Vladimir Putin) that it's important to think beyond the old days of when we had the concept that if we blew each other up, the world would be safe." -George W. Bush, May 1, 2001

[Ed]

This is becoming Bethke-ish.

[Kopji]

September 14th:

The next day reveals that the world is a virutal shopping mall of horrible disaster and ominous portents. Yet all of these will dim in comparison to what will soon happen on the 19th.


Worst floods in decades hit Dhaka

Many roads are waist deep in water
Bangladeshi authorities have closed all government offices in the capital, Dhaka, as the worst flooding in decades hit the city. Nearly all main roads in the city are under water. Officials say such severe flooding is "unprecedented".

An emergency meeting was held by the government, and the navy has been called on to help drain the city.


Ed the God
You Flatterer you...


If you want to sell a book, your best bet right now would be to forget fiction entirely and come out of the closet as George W. Bush's bisexual lover. Be prepared to support your claims with original negatives of you, W., and Jenna in an incestuous S&M menage a trois. - Bruce Bethke

[RabbiSatan]

*cough*

Bump to, you know, "avoid pruning" :rolleyes:

[Kopji]

September 15th

Today was a near personal tragedy: My daughter was in a car wreck with two friends. Everyone was ok but very shook up. Cuts and bruises. Air bags suddenly deploying in a kid's chest will do that.

The event touches a little on why I dislike "would-be-prophets of doom" more than the rest of the psychic crowd: **** just happens. Life is not 'By The Will' of some holy deity, or under the watchful gaze of some spirit guide or angel.

A couple weeks ago I watched the results of different car accident: Someone I did not even know, a 16 year old girl struggling for life in an emergency room. In that accident, 5 kids thrown from a car going at 100mph. Killed two of her friends and left two walking. She was the driver and she was going to survive...

There is no "higher meaning" in any of this. Life just is: A place of creative chaos where sometimes good and sometimes bad things happen.

But the Pope goes to France to pray for healing or whatever.
We pray God is with us in our battles.
We predict the future.
Speak with the dead.

To pretend we control life and death is to dishonor something vital and beautiful about it. To label it as evil or good is simply an attempt to assert that there is dominion over what happens.

But Lucianarchy would hardly predict some insignificant event in my lowly life. Prophetic predictions are of GREAT things and claims to power and authority. So I laugh at the pompous arrogance of prophets, and take my time about it.

[billydkid]

Originally posted by Kopji
September 15th

Today was a near personal tragedy: My daughter was in a car wreck with two friends. Everyone was ok but very shook up. Cuts and bruises. Air bags suddenly deploying in a kid's chest will do that.

The event touches a little on why I dislike "would-be-prophets of doom" more than the rest of the psychic crowd: **** just happens. Life is not 'By The Will' of some holy deity, or under the watchful gaze of some spirit guide or angel.

A couple weeks ago I watched the results of different car accident: Someone I did not even know, a 16 year old girl struggling for life in an emergency room. In that accident, 5 kids thrown from a car going at 100mph. Killed two of her friends and left two walking. She was the driver and she was going to survive...

There is no "higher meaning" in any of this. Life just is: A place of creative chaos where sometimes good and sometimes bad things happen.

But the Pope goes to France to pray for healing or whatever.
We pray God is with us in our battles.
We predict the future.
Speak with the dead.

To pretend we control life and death is to dishonor something vital and beautiful about it. To label it as evil or good is simply an attempt to assert that there is dominion over what happens.

But Lucianarchy would hardly predict some insignificant event in my lowly life. Prophetic predictions are of GREAT things and claims to power and authority. So I laugh at the pompous arrogance of prophets, and take my time about it.

I couldn't agree much more. I too find it offensive - this pretended wisdom and authority. I think some people can only find themselves legitimized by claiming some sort of special ability and giftedness.

[Kopji]

It's actually been a pretty quiet week, disaster-wise. Maybe this is that "inverse predictive effect" I've heard rumor of. Ya know, the effect where a REALLY true prophet predicts something, but it not only does not happen, things actually start looking up and turning out for the better. If the prediction had not been made, things would have gotten bad right quick. So we have prophets to thank either way. :D

Of course there's all those hurricanes hitting Florida. If I were a Believer, I might start wondering if God were angry with how things turned out in the last election. But... its hurricane season so it hardly seems fair to count them all... Soon to be four or five storms... What an odd coincidence!

Having to scan the Internet for daily disasters would be really depressing for most people, myself included. Fortunately there's an easy site that covers the latest terrorist events and natural tragedies:

http://www.disasterrelief.org/EarthWatch/

If things get too bad we can always go to a Florida Beach:

http://www.pbrla.com/weather_natdisasters.html

[spejic]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
Apparently, Luci's predictions are based on the current state of affaris at the time of the prediction, rather than being actual precognitive visions. That is why this particular prediction was not accurate: Something was done in the meantime to change the state of affairs (heightened security).

This is called informed guessing, not precognition.
Actually, there is another possibility where Lucianarchy can have knowledge of a planed future event based on knowledge of the state of things at the time of the prediction - if he was in on the planning in the first place. It is clear that Lucianarchy is a terrorist, as these are the events that he is keying in on and not some unplanned event (like, say, stock market numbers or weather patterns) or planned events to which Lucianarchy does not have access to (like Bush's future campaign stops or my parents' vacation plans).

[Kopji]

Sept 17th

I'm almost certain he has something to do with a hurricane turning toward Arizona.

[TheBoyPaj]

Odd though. You'd have thought he'd direct it straight at Fort Lauderdale.

[Kopji]

I'm trying to be nice to Florida, they can't all be bad. :D

[thaiboxerken]

We're a day away. My bet is that Luci's prediction of "Something may or may not happen" will come true.

[RabbiSatan]

It's 12:30am Sunday 19th of September in Hong Kong as of this writing - I'm sure disaster's just around the corner...



....zzzzZ...ZZzzZZ...ZzZZzzZZz......ZZzZZZZzz..... ...zzZzZzzzzz...

[Anders]

Quarter past one here in Stockholm...dum di dum di dum...No attack anyware so far....dum di dum di dum....

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.

Peace.

Just keeping in mind what we are waiting for.

That, and the usual pathetic excuses.

Get the popcorn.

[JPK]

It's 9:25 where I am and so far Luci is right. Very similar to the last prediction. All is quiet. So far the least eventfull day of the week. Must be the alerted security keeping everyone in line.

JPK

[Marian]

Why does anyone pay attention at this point? I mean how many wrong predictions does someone need to make before you just ignore it as blatent attention whoring?

If Lucianarchy ever happens to be right...oh they'll jump up and down and exclaim just how RIGHT they were I'm sure...but when Lucianarchy is wrong, excuses are made so it's STILL not wrong. (See August 4th "prediction").

Sorry, I wasn't around for Ladybrook or whatever, but the August crapout was enough for me.

:con2:

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Marian
Why does anyone pay attention at this point? I mean how many wrong predictions does someone need to make before you just ignore it as blatent attention whoring?

If Lucianarchy ever happens to be right...oh they'll jump up and down and exclaim just how RIGHT they were I'm sure...but when Lucianarchy is wrong, excuses are made so it's STILL not wrong. (See August 4th "prediction").

Sorry, I wasn't around for Ladybrook or whatever, but the August crapout was enough for me.

:con2:

Of course, at some point, Lucianarchy will guess right. Which is exactly why we must be able to point to the long list of failures, thereby underlining the fact that he just got lucky.

It's exactly the same thing, as when we record Sylvia Browne's (http://www.skepticreport.com/psychics/sylviapredictions98.htm) or other prognosticators' (http://www.skepticreport.com/psychics/hogue.htm) wrong guesses. Or this one. (http://www.skepticreport.com/astrology/zoller911.htm) Or this one. (http://www.skepticreport.com/astrology/royalwedding.htm) Or this one. (http://www.skepticreport.com/astrology/soccer2004.htm)

[Belgian thought]

Here in the UK we were terrorised by the showing of that dreadful film "Three Amigos" - no amount of intelligence can thwart or understand this.

I am sure that this constitutes a hit - well done Lucy!

[thaiboxerken]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Of course, at some point, Lucianarchy will guess right. Which is exactly why we must be able to point to the long list of failures, thereby underlining the fact that he just got lucky.


For what purpose? According to Lucianarchy, he hasn't failed yet. It is entertaining to poke fun at Luci, but I won't pretend that there is actually any intellectual value behind it.

[DickK]

Originally posted by Belgian thought
Here in the UK we were terrorised by the showing of that dreadful film "Three Amigos" - no amount of intelligence can thwart or understand this.

I am sure that this constitutes a hit - well done Lucy! The evidence mounts! SG-1's ludicrous O'Neil cloning episode has just devastated my Sunday afternoon viewing pleasure. Whoever's making these things, think of the children! Luci, whatever Tony Blair's paying you (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26999&postid=1870517923) it isn't enough. With your diligence and integrity we will eventually get quality Sunday afternoon (remote) viewing.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
According to Lucianarchy, he hasn't failed yet.
With a prediction as precise as
I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks
I don't see how he can possibly be wrong!

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
For what purpose? According to Lucianarchy, he hasn't failed yet. It is entertaining to poke fun at Luci, but I won't pretend that there is actually any intellectual value behind it.

The purpose is so others can see what a lying fraud Lucianarchy is. We shouldn't let paranormal frauds go unchallenged.

Lucianarchy is a lost case. There is hope for others, though.

[thaiboxerken]

True, but what moron would actually think Lucianarchy has powers, besides himself?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
True, but what moron would actually think Lucianarchy has powers, besides himself?

Never underestimate the power of deception.

[thaiboxerken]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Never underestimate the power of deception.

I guess it would be self-deception for a person to believe Luci's "Evidence".

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I guess it would be self-deception for a person to believe Luci's "Evidence".

Perhaps. All the same, consider the damage.

[Pycroft]

Europe beat the US in the Ryder Cup...quite convincingly too...isn't that a hit?:p

[CFLarsen]

The 19th is over in Denmark.

Nada.

YAFOL.

(Yet Another Failure Of Lucianarchy's)

[thaiboxerken]

Nothing happened, that proves Luci has superpowers!!

[Operaider]

Anyone else notice that we rarely hear from Luci on the day predicted?
Anyone else think she might be in huddled in his cellar with a flashlight, a battery operated radio, and a stack of canned food waiting for the world to end?

[Lothian]

I can’t wait for Luci’s response, I know what it will be. “Thankfully the security forces prompt action saved what would have been a terrible attack�.

Luci’s excellent demonstrations of cold reading techniques can only cast doubt in the mind of true believers. She is very clever in the way that her predictions themselves (as well as her record) are so poor that it is plainly obvious that she is cold reading.

She reminds me of Les Dawson who used to play the piano ‘badly’. To do so required real skill. To be as poor at psychic predictions as Luci also requires skill. As she plainly reveals the charlatans techniques I become more and more convinced she is a true sceptic’s sock puppet. So who is going to own up?

[CFLarsen]

I think it is still the 19th somewhere in the Pacific....

[Lucianarchy]

Thankfully the security forces prompt action saved what would have been a terrible attack.

[TheBoyPaj]

:clap:

[Lothian]

Yet more proof of my psychic powers. Before anyone claims that Luci merely read and copied my prediction I would remind them that I am on her ignore list.

[BillHoyt]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully the security forces prompt action saved what would have been a terrible attack.

Publish a paper, because now you're identifying a hierarchy of forces in your worldview: psi, skeptic anti-psi, cops. Unfortunately, psi is at the bottom of the hierarchy. Psi is the lamest force of all. But we really really really really ought pay attention to it!

[Ashles]

If Luci could please predict every day that "Tomorrow there will be some form of attack" I, for one, would feel a lot safer.

Every day that Luci predicts trouble those wonderful security forces go into overdrive to prevent anything from happening, so let's make every day a safety day.

We can beat terorism right now!

[HarryKeogh]

Lucianarchy's success rate is on par with "professional" psychics.

I'm impressed.

If you could predict rain for my wedding day I'd appreciate it.

[Operaider]

Is anyone else surprised that Luci hasn't relied on the ol' "reverse psychic" excuse yet? I think if anyone could make a case for it, it would be her.

I'm probably going to regret mentioning that.

Larsen, make a note of this post. A month from know when she starts using that as an excuse, I want it known that it was my idea first.

[Ashles]

Is Luci going to provide a link to THIS post in his sig I wonder?

No?

Once again we have an example of hits and misses, and selective reporting of evidence.



Lucianarchy - Proof that God loves sceptics and wants them to be happy.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully the security forces prompt action saved what would have been a terrible attack.

Do you consider your prediction to have come true, yes or no?

[Operaider]

I have a feeling he's given up. I don't think even the most hard headed believer can take being wrong as often as he has.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Operaider
I have a feeling he's given up. I don't think even the most hard headed believer can take being wrong as often as he has.

Having looked into Lucianarchy's past, I can assure you that he will not give up. He has been at this for years.

[thaiboxerken]

Nothing happened, so Luci is calling it a "reverse" prediction.

If only I could reach through the screen....

[uruk]

Look at me!! I'm making a lucianarchy style prediction!!!!

On November 17 th 2004 There will be a vicious terrorist attack which may be thwarted by world security forces. If it is Thwarted you will not hear about it because of all that secrecy thingy.

So mark my words carefully! Something may or may not happen on November 17th.

[T'ai Chi]

Um I'll say 9/21/04 there will be a terrorist attack. I'll go out on a limb and say in the Middle East somewhere.

[Kopji]

So just another week. I gave up looking for disasters partway through the "window": What a sad way to live, waiting around for tragedy.

Epilogue: I kept running across little science and medicine news items of hope and promise. Usually due to hard work and determination, like a new bone cement announced this week.

So doom must wait for another day.
Quietly closing the 'crisis window', and off for some ice cream.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
Thankfully the security forces prompt action saved what would have been a terrible attack. :) Well, at least you have humor.

Hans