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Segnosaur
27th August 2004, 11:17 AM
I have a perfect solution to the problem with the problem of Gluten in Catholic wafers:
Two words: Homeopathic Gluten
Donn
27th August 2004, 11:47 AM
Oh you are such a gluten for punishment!
Darat
27th August 2004, 12:00 PM
I can understand it being a problem for Lutheran (consubstantiation) but for Catholics (transubstantiation) surely it isn’t a problem? ;)
Donn
27th August 2004, 12:07 PM
Not being too terribly sophisticated, I would wonder if it's to do with constipation vs transtipation. Oh the horrors of faith!
Darat
27th August 2004, 12:16 PM
I'm almost tempted to look up "transtipation"... sounds as if it could be real... :)
Skeptical Greg
27th August 2004, 12:29 PM
" Blessed are the gluten intolerent, for having eaten that wafer anyway, they shall surely be with me this day in paradise.."
Donn
27th August 2004, 12:30 PM
I think it has something to do with moving Aunty Bob from one place to the next.
Or, it's to do with poltergeists that keep you waiting...
I dunno
:)
zakur
27th August 2004, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Donn
Oh you are such a gluten for punishment! D'ough!
Hand Bent Spoon
28th August 2004, 10:58 PM
If you knead me I'll be in the oven...
Donn
28th August 2004, 11:12 PM
Jebus fried and then rose from the bread.
It all makes sense - it just depends on what you make your Catholic cookies out of...
Chad Noles
29th August 2004, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by James Randi:
Though some Catholic churches frivolously allow the use of non-gluten wafers using rice starch, Haley's church's pastor, the Rev. Stanley P. Lukaszewski, has decreed that such a substitute is "unacceptable." "Hosts [holy wafers] that are completely gluten-free are invalid matter for the celebration of the Eucharist," he said. So there.
Seems like the problem is with this pictular reverend,as ...Though some Catholic churches frivolously allow the use of non-gluten wafers using rice starch...
from the article:Haley's mother says, "In my mind, I think [the Church] must not understand celiac.
Here,I think Haley's mother wrongly associates [the Church] as this Rev. Stanley P. Lukaszewski.I think it is HE that doesn't understand celiac sprue disease.However,the next quote does not agree with my opinion.
originally posted by James Randi:
Oh, they understand it quite well, ma'm. They just value their superstitions and dogmas more than logic.
They who?As we saw previously,"...some Catholic churches frivolously allow the use of non-gluten wafers using rice starch,..."
It appears that Randi paints the entire Catholic Church with the brush he uses for Rev. Lukaszewski.I can't follow his use of logic in this instance.
Donn
29th August 2004, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Chad Noles
It appears that Randi paints the entire Catholic Church with the brush he uses for Rev. Lukaszewski.I can't follow his use of logic in this instance.
You are right - broad strokes and all.
Mr Randi's has been at this for decades, somewhere along the line his broad strokes align with reality - he is a master painter (to stretch a metaphor) and even his biggest brush beats most tiny little detailed ones.
So, you have a point, but you fail to see the context.
Sure, one member (or a few branches) of the Church is a little less than sane, but that makes the rest sane?
I think not.
Kopji
29th August 2004, 01:13 PM
I think in this instance the commentary inaccurately represents the actual belief. To the Catholic's thinking, the bread is not merely symbolic or representative of the body of Christ, but BECOMES the body: "A miracle". So the presence of gluten is a matter of importance.
Linky (http://skepdic.com/transubstantiation.html)
I'm not saying I agree with I can only see as ancient superstition, but it is consistent within the context of their faith and belief.
The question's about the spiritual conflict within the girl's family, or around the physical dangerousness of her course of action are irrelevant to what "God asks".
To not be obedient as a matter of personal choice and to go your own way is a form of unbelief.
Skipbidder
29th August 2004, 03:53 PM
I wonder why the actual body of Christ has gluten in it.
Hmm. I wonder whether we could clone a new Jesus from transubstantiated communion wafers.
thincritter
30th August 2004, 12:05 AM
There is also the issue of young Haley being traumatised
by the whole affair. To a catholic, ( First holy communinion )
is comparable to The Bar Mitsva to a Jewish
child. ( Sorry to those of Jewish tradition if I've misspelled this. No offence intended. )
Haley would have to endure the ridicule of her peers and
probably a few of her piously biased teachers as well. She will remember this and bare the scar well into her adult years.
I myself can remember being criticised by a priest after I innocently dropped the wafer on the floor as he was placing it on my tongue ( This was the only way one could recieve it in the early seventy's )
Yes my friends, nonsense IS dangerous and the emotional
cost of right wing religious views are especially dangerous.
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