Matriarchal Cultural Terror In W. VA.

[Jedi Knight]

A statue built to honor women veterans (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030306/ap_on_fe_st/women_veterans_statue_1) is about to be unveiled in W.VA. The problem is that everyone who looks at the statue can't see a woman standing there.

Does that matter? I would think it would. Women look much different than men. When men look at women, they see a woman. When women look at men they see a man.

But in the blurred logic of the matriarchal world-view, the only thing that matters is that women are men. Biology is irrevelant.

As quoted in the article: "It's going to look like a female; it might not be very feminine," he said. "It will look like a nice, big, strong girl who's been through military training."

Oh, so in other words, the statue looks like a man. Now everyone in W.VA. has to look at a statue of a man that is supposed to be a woman. That may be appealing to lesbians, but not to men. The statue is a lie because women look...like women.

JK

[Reginald]

There was a picture here,but whats the point? The world changes on its own, I'll save bandwidth.

:(

[Crossbow]

Hello all!

Since I live in West Virginia and I work near the place where this statue is to be placed, I would like to tell you all the truth about it.

First, there have been a few people to complain about the statue that is being commissioned, because they would like it to look more feminine.

Second, there were also people who complained about the Civil Rights Memorial, the Statue of Liberty, the Washington Monument, Mt. Rushmore, and so on; it is impossible to get 100% agreement from the public on any issue! But in this case, I urge those who want see the actual facts for themselves to please take a look at the West Virginia new media and one will not find any nasty op-ed commentaries or editorials about the statue.

In any case, there will always be someone who will not like what is being done with these sorts of things, it has nothing to do with "Matriarchal Cultural Terror", and the real fact is that Jedi Knight does not know what he is talking about.

By the way, I did not say it would be easy, I just said it would be the truth.

[Doubt]

I am still trying to find the terror. Who is terrified by this? For terror to happen, somebody has to be terrified. So who is scared by a statue?

Abuse a word often enough and eventually the meaning is lost.

[Ian Osborne]

Dunno what Jedi's moaning about anyway. He probably doesn't know what a woman looks like in real life...

[UnrepentantSinner]

No to point out how stupid this thread is but you're about 60 years behind the powercurve. Don't you read History?

http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/ti/00000185.jpg

[Agammamon]

I don't know about the whole "women look like women" thing. I'm in the Navy and have seen more than a few women who look like men. Granted, not even most of them, but a sizeable percentage.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
No to point out how stupid this thread is but you're about 60 years behind the powercurve. Don't you read History?

http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/ti/00000185.jpg

In that picture that you linked there is a woman there, or at least the likeness of a woman.

That is different from the statue which looks like a man, and yet is being called a woman.

JK

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


In that picture that you linked there is a woman there, or at least the likeness of a woman.

That is different from the statue which looks like a man, and yet is being called a woman.

JK

Well since I have provided a pic of Rosie the Riveter, can you provide a pic of Betty the Bulldyke? Until you can do so, this thread is a waste of bandwidth.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Doubt
I am still trying to find the terror. Who is terrified by this? For terror to happen, somebody has to be terrified. So who is scared by a statue?

Abuse a word often enough and eventually the meaning is lost.

No, making statues of men and then calling them women and putting them in a public place that thousands of people every year are forced to look at it is cultural terrorism.

JK

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


No, making statues of men and then calling them women and putting them in a public place that thousands of people every year are forced to look at it is cultural terrorism.

JK

Ohhhh! We fragile people from WV are so scared!

Get a life joker.

Maybe you would feel better if you shared your highly placed thoughts of how planets generate gravity as they orbit stars because you know as much about physics as you do the arts.

Was that self-effacing IRONY I spotted in the topic title? :) Who'd a' thunk it.

[arcticpenguin]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=6&u=/nm/20030319/od_nm/odd_sweden_victoria_dc

ALMNAS, Sweden (Reuters) - Sweden's Crown Princess Victoria demonstrated her combat and first aid skills to the media on Tuesday as part of a three-week military training course to prepare her for international peacekeeping missions.

The 25-year-old princess, the oldest of the three children of King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia, told Reuters in her fatigues, camouflage facepaint and full battle equipment that the course had been good but tiring.
...
Victoria completed a one-kilometer forced march in full combat gear in less than 5 minutes, a time that almost qualified her for Special Forces duty, said Captain Lars Wetterskog.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=6&u=/nm/20030319/od_nm/odd_sweden_victoria_dc



Is Victoria a woman? If she is a woman, she can never be a man. She has a completely different body.

JK

[arcticpenguin]

Yes, Victoria is a woman.

If you prefer men, that's your business.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
Ohhhh! We fragile people from WV are so scared!

Get a life joker.

Maybe you would feel better if you shared your highly placed thoughts of how planets generate gravity as they orbit stars because you know as much about physics as you do the arts.

To me, the people in West Virginia aren't "scared", just apathetic. Maybe even many WV'A's like to look at statues of men that are supposed to be women. I really do not know.

What I do know is that when you make statues of men and call them women, that is a lie. Since it is a lie, that makes those who are doing it liars with an agenda. Since there is an agenda because it is something designed to make women look like men, that is matriarchal totalitarianism. Totalitarianism uses terror to get its way.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Yes, Victoria is a woman.

If you prefer men, that's your business.

So if a sculptist was to make a statue of her, the statue would have large breasts, wide hips and a woman's face, right?

Or would they make her into a man?

JK

[Doubt]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


To me, the people in West Virginia aren't "scared", just apathetic. Maybe even many WV'A's like to look at statues of men that are supposed to be women. I really do not know.

JK

If nobody has been terrified, then there is no terror.

Who is the intended victim here. I sure don't feel threatened. JK, are you afraid? Is that why you call this terrorism? Maybe you have an anxiety problem?

Also look around once in a while JK. Large breasts are no more common than small ones. Also I don't think most female soldiers wear wonder bras while in uniform. That sort of thing would just get in the way.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Patch it up by putting her in high heels?

Oops, sorry. Patch it up by putting a sign underneath: WOMAN

~~ Paul

[headscratcher4]

It seems to me that the women fighters/warriors in all of the Bond movies, use their gernades and machine guns, etc. and dress in G-strings, Bikinis, skin-tight (form enhancing) leatards (sp?), etc. Clearly, the statues we build to the women who serve the nation should reflect that reality.:D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Doubt


If nobody has been terrified, then there is no terror.

Who is the intended victim here. I sure don't feel threatened. JK, are you afraid? Is that why you call this terrorism? Maybe you have an anxiety problem?

Also look around once in a while JK. Large breasts are no more common than small ones. Also I don't think most female soldiers wear wonder bras while in uniform. That sort of thing would just get in the way.

This conversation isn't about me. This conversation is about a statue that US taxpayers paid $100,000 to have sculpted as an honor to women that served in the military. The sculpture should be of a woman, not a man labeled as a woman.

JK

[Brown]

Here's a mounument for you: the Soldiers and Sailors Monument (http://www.legis.state.ia.us/Pubinfo/Tour/grounds/grounds.htm) across the street from the Iowa state capitol building in Des Moines, IA. The state's description of the monument includes the following:On the north side, a statue portrays Iowa as a mother offering nourishment to her children.Translation: the monument features a topless woman holding up her bare breasts. This statue has been a premiere source of pointing and giggling for Iowa schoolchildren for over a century. The Allison monument is nearby, and it too features a topless woman who symbolizes "The Republic."

[Doubt]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


This conversation isn't about me. This conversation is about a statue that US taxpayers paid $100,000 to have sculpted as an honor to women that served in the military. The sculpture should be of a woman, not a man labeled as a woman.

JK

You called it terrorism. You should be able to explain it.

[subgenius]

"sculptist" not a word.
Matriarchal Culture Terror not reality.
(Paging Dr. Freud)

[Checkmite]

"It's going to look like a female; it might not be very feminine," he said. "It will look like a nice, big, strong girl who's been through military training."

They said the statue is going to look like a female. What's the problem here?

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


They said the statue is going to look like a female. What's the problem here?
Misogyny.

[Crossbow]

Jedi Knight posted this!


To me, the people in West Virginia aren't "scared", just apathetic. Maybe even many WV'A's like to look at statues of men that are supposed to be women. I really do not know.

What I do know is that when you make statues of men and call them women, that is a lie. Since it is a lie, that makes those who are doing it liars with an agenda. Since there is an agenda because it is something designed to make women look like men, that is matriarchal totalitarianism. Totalitarianism uses terror to get its way.

JK

Then Jedi Knight went on to post this!


This conversation isn't about me. This conversation is about a statue that US taxpayers paid $100,000 to have sculpted as an honor to women that served in the military. The sculpture should be of a woman, not a man labeled as a woman.

JK

Wrong again on both counts JK! You are about as dense on events in West Virginia as you are in physics.

In the first place, the money for the statue comes from the state of West Virginia and from private donations.
It does not come from the US taxpayers (except those who pay West Virginia state taxes).

In the second place, the statue does portray a woman. Please see what the artist had to say about it.

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Strange_But_True/20030306-001/page.asp

[artist Joseph Mullins points out that the statue isn’t a] “runway model and not a Playboy bunny. It's going to look like a female; it might not be very feminine. It will look like a nice, big, strong girl who's been through military training.”

In the third place, the artist is a military veteran and has done other work regarding the honoring of military veterans.

http://www.appaltree.net/vet/

Sculptor Joe Mullins, pictured at his studio (The Arterie) in Charleston, WV, was selected in 1987 to design the West Virginia Veterans Memorial on the Capitol grounds.

...

A Vietnam veteran himself, Joe was recently commissioned to design a bronze statue honoring the state's women veterans.

In the fourth place, do yourself a favor and just stop talking now because you are just making yourself look increasingly foolish!

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by subgenius

Misogyny.

Ah...

[Gregor]

To be fair to all concerned, there should be three statues: one in the likeness of a man, one in the likeness of a woman, and one in the likeness of Diane Feinstein (D-Ca.)

[Doubt]

Originally posted by Crossbow

In the fourth place, do yourself a favor and just stop talking now because you are just making yourself look increasingly foolish!

Crossbow,

Your going to spoil all the fun.
;)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow




Wrong again on both counts JK! You are about as dense on events in West Virginia as you are in physics.

In the first place, the money for the statue comes from the state of West Virginia and from private donations.
It does not come from the US taxpayers (except those who pay West Virginia state taxes).

In the second place, the statue does portray a woman. Please see what the artist had to say about it.

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Strange_But_True/20030306-001/page.asp

[artist Joseph Mullins points out that the statue isn’t a] “runway model and not a Playboy bunny. It's going to look like a female; it might not be very feminine. It will look like a nice, big, strong girl who's been through military training.”

In the third place, the artist is a military veteran and has done other work regarding the honoring of military veterans.

http://www.appaltree.net/vet/

Sculptor Joe Mullins, pictured at his studio (The Arterie) in Charleston, WV, was selected in 1987 to design the West Virginia Veterans Memorial on the Capitol grounds.

...

A Vietnam veteran himself, Joe was recently commissioned to design a bronze statue honoring the state's women veterans.

In the fourth place, do yourself a favor and just stop talking now because you are just making yourself look increasingly foolish!

It doesn't matter what tax-payers paid for the hunk of junk. What matters is that they did and it should be something that reflects a female pose, not a male pose.

If it wasn't an issue, the leftist media wouldn't have brought it up for the nation to read about. The leftist media probably found it particularly funny that statues of men are now being hailed as statues of women. I do not think it is funny. When I look at a statue and there is a woman's name attached to it, I do not expect to see a statue with a penis and a mustache. I expect to see big breasts, a woman's waist, long hairless legs and no hair under the armpits, and no eyebrows connected together in the middle of the forehead. That is what I expect to see when I see a statue of a woman.

JK

[MRC_Hans]

Mmm, am I missing something here? Where can we see a picture of this statue?

Or, is this entire discussion based on hearsay?

Hans :confused: :confused:

[subgenius]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Mmm, am I missing something here? Where can we see a picture of this statue?

Or, is this entire discussion based on hearsay?

Hans :confused: :confused:
Not just hearsay, delusional beliefs, too.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius

Not just hearsay, delusional beliefs, too.

Your delusional beliefs? I don't think that a statue made of a man and called a woman is delusional, just another example of perversionist political correctness bordering on being delusional. Matriarchal totalitarianism is a delusional ideology, but the matriarchal cultural terrorism in this example is a minor delusion. The grand delusion is women thinking they are biologically the same as men.

Only Prozac candidates think women are biologically equal to men.

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Only Prozac candidates think women are biologically equal to men.

JK

Of course not! We are far, far superior! :)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


Of course not! We are far, far superior! :)

Yep, conservative chicks do, in fact, rock on.

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Yep, conservative chicks do, in fact, rock on.

JK

What, are liberal or moderate women different biologically from conservative women? They did not teach me that in anatomy!

[subgenius]

One cannot compare apples and oranges and say they are/are not "equal".
Men can't have babies. Does that make them inferior?
Each gender has its own strengths and weaknesses.
To assert that women are not biological "equals" is misogyny pure and simple.

[renata]

Originally posted by subgenius
One cannot compare apples and oranges and say they are/are not "equal".
Men can't have babies. Does that make them inferior?
Each gender has its own strengths and weaknesses.
To assert that women are not biological "equals" is misogyny pure and simple.

It is not misogyny, it is misandry! JK admits women are superior!

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
One cannot compare apples and oranges and say they are/are not "equal".
Men can't have babies. Does that make them inferior?
Each gender has its own strengths and weaknesses.
To assert that women are not biological "equals" is misogyny pure and simple.

That's nuts. Men can't have babies because God made that choice. God made the choice for women to have babies. God made the choice for the locations that people would be born.

God also made men physically stronger than women. On the historical battlefields of the world, men have been the primary fighting force because women are easy to kill. It isn't that men discriminate against women on the battlefield, it is the inescapable truth that women can be bayoneted with ease, much easier than men because women are not as physically strong as men.

Now, you may find one out of one thousand woman who can compete on the battlefield in direct combat action to the level of men, but just because one out of one thousand can, it is obvious that 975 out of one thousand men who can proves that men are pysically more suited for warfare.

Again, that is not discrimination by men, but a biological feature attributed to men by God. The battlefield sets its own standards. The battlefield does not respect the illusion of gender equality.

Knowing that then, I can see where some women would be so jealous of men that they would try to sneak in a statue of a man in uniform and call it a woman. It fits with the delusional unreality of modern political correctness and matriarchal cultural terrorism.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by renata


What, are liberal or moderate women different biologically from conservative women? They did not teach me that in anatomy!

Liberal and moderate women are not different from conservative women biologically (well, perhaps conservative women's minds are much more clear), but conservative women understand that God made them that way and since God made them they do not wish they were men. Many liberal women wish they were born men. They curse God that they were not given penises instead of vaginas.

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Liberal and moderate women are not different from conservative women biologically (well, perhaps conservative women's minds are much more clear),
Clear- one of the websters definitions says
Containing nothing.
That is a bit harsh, but if you say so.....

Many liberal women wish they were born men. They curse God that they were not given penises instead of vaginas.



I have yet to know one woman who wished to to have a penis instead of a vagina. Two words for you: multiple orgasms.

[renata]

It seems that God was just about done creating the universe. The Lord had a couple of leftovers in his bag of creations, so he stopped by to visit Adam and Eve in the Garden. He told the couple that one of the things he had to give away was the ability to urinate while standing up. "It can be very handy," God explained to Adam and Eve. "Would either of you like that
ability?"

Adam popped a cork. He jumped up and begged, "Oh, give that to me! It seems the sort of thing a man should be able to do. Please, Lord, let me have that ability. I would be forever grateful."

Eve just smiled and shook her head at Adam's display. She told God that if Adam really wanted it so badly, then she really wouldn't mind if he were the one given the ability to urinate while standing up. And so, the Lord gave Adam the ability to urinate while standing up. Then, He looked back into his bag of leftover gifts. "Now, what have we here? Oh, yes, multiple orgasms..."

[subgenius]

So women can do some things men can't do and vice versa, right?

[renata]

Originally posted by subgenius
So women can do some things men can't do and vice versa, right?

I refer you to the post above yours.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by renata


I refer you to the post above yours.

My point exactly: we have different abilities and capabilities. One is not superior to the other. All are needed.

[renata]

Originally posted by subgenius


My point exactly: we have different abilities and capabilities. One is not superior to the other. All are needed.

Not according to JK! Women are superior! We live longer, our bodies are things of beauty, and we wash our hands after going to the bathroom. And don't forget my earlier post! :)

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I expect to see big breasts, a woman's waist, long hairless legs and no hair under the armpits, and no eyebrows connected together in the middle of the forehead. That is what I expect to see when I see a statue of a woman.

JK

Thats right Jedi, thats your cultural expectation. That is your image of a woman. (you do understand that they have bodyhair as well, cultural norms tell them to pull it out)....Unfortunately, that was not the artists image of the servicewoman. So If you are going to impose your cultural norms onto artists, who is the cultural terrorists? The National socialist party in Germany tried a similar thing. They banned "modern" impressionism. All pictures of men and women would match the Aryan blueprint. Artisic expression was to be controlled.

Is, is that what you are trying to impose here? Control of artistic expression? The Nazis were wrong when they tried to label the impressionists as conspiring communist agitators and you are wrong as well, just 60 years later.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool


Thats right Jedi, thats your cultural expectation. That is your image of a woman. (you do understand that they have bodyhair as well, cultural norms tell them to pull it out)....Unfortunately, that was not the artists image of the servicewoman. So If you are going to impose your cultural norms onto artists, who is the cultural terrorists? The National socialist party in Germany tried a similar thing. They banned "modern" impressionism. All pictures of men and women would match the Aryan blueprint. Artisic expression was to be controlled.

Is, is that what you are trying to impose here? Control of artistic expression? The Nazis were wrong when they tried to label the impressionists as conspiring communist agitators and you are wrong as well, just 60 years later.

I am not asking for much here. All I want is that when a statue is made of a man, it is called a man. When a statue is made of a woman, it is called a woman. To call a statue of a man a woman is communism.

JK

[subgenius]

"To call a statue of a man a woman is communism."
Brilliant analysis.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
"To call a statue of a man a woman is communism."
Brilliant analysis.

Thanks.

JK

[DrBenway]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I expect to see big breasts, a woman's waist, long hairless legs and no hair under the armpits, and no eyebrows connected together in the middle of the forehead.

Women's legs and armpits have hair. This is a natural female secondary sexual characteristic that comes with puberty.

If you're going to argue that people are wrong for ignoring biology, you should be consistent. You should argue that women ought not remove the hair that God intended for them to have.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am not asking for much here. All I want is that when a statue is made of a man, it is called a man. When a statue is made of a woman, it is called a woman. To call a statue of a man a woman is communism.

JK

No, you are not asking for much, just the supression of Free artistic expression, The political correct application of control over cultural activities. The supression of freedom......not much to worry about.

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Liberal and moderate women are not different from conservative women biologically (well, perhaps conservative women's minds are much more clear), but conservative women understand that God made them that way and since God made them they do not wish they were men. Many liberal women wish they were born men. They curse God that they were not given penises instead of vaginas.




JK, I think that your country must be very proud to have such a brilliant man as yourself :rolleyes:

Did you work with the intelligence service? or did you work within the intelligent service facilities (as a janitor)? :D

Seriously, you should be working as a comedian.

q-s

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner


Well since I have provided a pic of Rosie the Riveter, can you provide a pic of Betty the Bulldyke? Until you can do so, this thread is a waste of bandwidth.

You ever find a pic of the statue or it's model? Rosie the Riveter had short hair and arms like Charles Atlas. That was 60 years ago, and she helped us win the war. Where'd Ms.? Androgeny 2003? I haven't seen a pic yet?

[MRC_Hans]

Where are the f*cking pictures? JK, you have now been making some 10 posts where you talked (talked? Oh, well..) about how 'orrible this statue was. And others have joined the discussion (some, admittedly, in an honest attempt to derail the thread, hehe), but it seems nobody has actually seen the thing in question.

Hans

Hey I am a woman they can take use my body to make a sulpture, I will even wear fatigues too ;). I am sure there won't be too many complaints, Ok maybe one or 2 zillions:(

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Q-Source



JK, I think that your country must be very proud to have such a brilliant man as yourself :rolleyes:

Did you work with the intelligence service? or did you work within the intelligent service facilities (as a janitor)? :D

Seriously, you should be working as a comedian.

q-s

Oh really? You should know better than to speculate like that about me personally, Q-Source. Rather than say something constructive, you had to step into the gutter.

I can speculate about you like you did with me--do you have a mattress strapped to your back for employment, Q-Source? :rolleyes:

JK

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am not asking for much here. All I want is that when a statue is made of a man, it is called a man. When a statue is made of a woman, it is called a woman. To call a statue of a man a woman is communism.

JK

Jedi, the article you linked to says that the statue is going to look like a woman with muscles. So having "muscles" magically turns a woman into a man? I think you're being over-dramatic and silly about this. I can't believe you think that a man looks like "a nice, big, strong girl who's been through training".

[Q-Source]

Jedi,

I found this extremely offensive:

Liberal and moderate women are not different from conservative women biologically (well, perhaps conservative women's minds are much more clear), but conservative women understand that God made them that way and since God made them they do not wish they were men. Many liberal women wish they were born men. They curse God that they were not given penises instead of vaginas.

What the F*ck do you mean about women wanting to have penises instead of vaginas?

Is it the type of argument of someone who worked as an intelligent militar? :rolleyes:

Do you have evidence that liberal women wish that? :rolleyes:

You are a little bit insane, but I still find you very funny. That's why I really don't bother too much with your statements.

Smile :)

Q-S

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


Jedi, the article you linked to says that the statue is going to look like a woman with muscles. So having "muscles" magically turns a woman into a man? I think you're being over-dramatic and silly about this. I can't believe you think that a man looks like "a nice, big, strong girl who's been through training".

From the article: "It would have been nice if we could have had a statue that looked more like a woman," said Sen. Anita Caldwell, vice chairwoman of the Senate Military Committee.

The information I am forming my opinion on comes from the article. When a woman says a statue is not feminine enough, there is a problem. :eek:

JK

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


...

When I look at a statue and there is a woman's name attached to it, I do not expect to see a statue with a penis and a mustache. I expect to see big breasts, a woman's waist, long hairless legs and no hair under the armpits, and no eyebrows connected together in the middle of the forehead. That is what I expect to see when I see a statue of a woman.

JK

I take it from the above comment, and the many others that he has made, that JK is far too much of a genius to actually look at the statue before complaining about it.

I, however, am in the process of getting some photos of this statue and I will post them when they become available because I think that everyone here, save JK, would actually like to see this statue before making a judgement about it.

[Tricky]

I gotta go with Jedi here. If you gotta make a statue of a fighting woman, make it look like Xena! I don't give a flying fart about history, symbolism, art, truth, or patriotism. I wanna see BOOBS!

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Q-Source
Jedi,

I found this extremely offensive:



What the F*ck do you mean about women wanting to have penises instead of vaginas?

Is it the type of argument of someone who worked as an intelligent militar? :rolleyes:

Do you have evidence that liberal women wish that? :rolleyes:

You are a little bit insane, but I still find you very funny. That's why I really don't bother too much with your statements.

Smile :)

Q-S

Actually what the real issue is Q-Source is that as a feminist you do not encounter non-politically correct opinions like mine very often. You exist in the protected shell of the policially correct Orwellian European fantasy where the mere mentioning of anything that goes against the radical matriarchal fascist agenda is a taboo.

If you find my moderate opinions on this subject offensive, so what. Ask someone who cares.

I think a statue that is supposed to be a woman should look like a woman, not a man. If that sends waves of despair through you for me even bringing it up and if it "offends" you, forgive me for laughing hysterically.

Many feminists regret being born women. They simply have to. It is part of their pathology. If it weren't, they wouldn't spend every waking moment of their lives trying to convince everyone they are really men. You know, going as far as making statues of men and calling them women, etc.

JK

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


Jedi, the article you linked to says that the statue is going to look like a woman with muscles. So having "muscles" magically turns a woman into a man? I think you're being over-dramatic and silly about this. I can't believe you think that a man looks like "a nice, big, strong girl who's been through training".
have you seen women body builders,:eek: Now they look like men without the dangly bits.

Originally posted by Tricky

I gotta go with Jedi here. If you gotta make a statue of a fighting woman, make it look like Xena! I don't give a flying fart about history, symbolism, art, truth, or patriotism. I wanna see BOOBS!


lol Tricky you smooth operator ;)

psst I'll show you mine if you show me yours:D

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


From the article: "It would have been nice if we could have had a statue that looked more like a woman," said Sen. Anita Caldwell, vice chairwoman of the Senate Military Committee.

The information I am forming my opinion on comes from the article. When a woman says a statue is not feminine enough, there is a problem. :eek:

JK

How silly of me...of course all men look like nice, big, strong girls who have been through military training. What was I thinking?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky

I gotta go with Jedi here. If you gotta make a statue of a fighting woman, make it look like Xena! I don't give a flying fart about history, symbolism, art, truth, or patriotism. I wanna see BOOBS!


Minus the elven features, these are the healthy dimentions (http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/3648/SUPP/large01.jpg) that I expect to see in female statues. Now, even though she is a computer animation, it is quite clear that she is not a man, right?

All I ask is for a statue made of a female look like a female.

JK

I for one in my communist feminazi state wish to state I love being a woman and totally enjoy it. I also do not posses a mustache and my legs etc are hair free, my boobs are just fine and my waist is clearly defined, and the only time I have a p****s is during nookie when it's attached to a man.


I like a female statue to look female too.

A woman soldier is not masculine in looks well the women I have seen aren't.


The only reason Jk wants statue with big boobs is so that he can shelter under them from the rain ;)( i have you sussed(hi))

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Minus the elven features, these are the healthy dimentions (http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/3648/SUPP/large01.jpg) that I expect to see in female statues. Now, even though she is a computer animation, it is quite clear that she is not a man, right?

All I ask is for a statue made of a female look like a female.

JK
WHATS wrong with ELVEN features HMPH,:mad:

That's it I don't lub u anymore:( you anti elvenfeature dude

*sniff, Pie goes off and sulks with the other female elves and digs pin into her Jk dolly*:p

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Pie
I for one in my communist feminazi state wish to state I love being a woman and totally enjoy it. I also do not posses a mustache and my legs etc are hair free, my boobs are just fine and my waist is clearly defined, and the only time I have a p****s is during nookie when it's attached to a man.


I like a female statue to look female too.

A woman soldier is not masculine in looks well the women I have seen aren't.


The only reason Jk wants statue with big boobs is so that he can shelter under them from the rain ;)( i have you sussed(hi))

As a man that enjoys the beauty of women, I don't think women should be ashamed of their bodies.

JK

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Minus the elven features, these are the healthy dimentions (http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/3648/SUPP/large01.jpg) that I expect to see in female statues. Now, even though she is a computer animation, it is quite clear that she is not a man, right?

All I ask is for a statue made of a female look like a female.

JK
Really, Jedi, it is no surprise that your feminine ideal is a comic book character. Let me guess. This is your idea of a memorial to female fighters.
http://www.captnlouscomics.com/wonder%20woman.jpg

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky

Really, Jedi, it is no surprise that your feminine ideal is a comic book character. Let me guess. This is your idea of a memorial to female fighters.
http://www.captnlouscomics.com/wonder%20woman.jpg

Yes, that is getting closer to what I had in mind lol.

JK

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


As a man that enjoys the beauty of women, I don't think women should be ashamed of their bodies.

JK
I still don't lub you anymore after you insulted my elven brethen.


You may beg for forgivness and suffer for 20 days wearing a humilating label as chosen by me as penance.:D only then will I lub you again;)

[LillyThePink]

Oh dear.

JK, not all women have big breasts, or small waists, or wide hips. Not all women have long hair. Those who do, and who serve in the military, I would imagine tie it back. Not all women can manage a bikini wax on the battlefield. Its really hard to drive a tank in stilettos. Without somewhere to plug in the tongs, it's nigh on impossible to curl your hair.

Why don't you just admit that you have a pre-conceived stereotype of what a woman should look like, but then be adult enough to admit that its a crock. Trust me, with those proportions, Barbie wouldn't be able to walk, let alone fight.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A statue built to honor women veterans (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030306/ap_on_fe_st/women_veterans_statue_1) is about to be unveiled in W.VA. The problem is that everyone who looks at the statue can't see a woman standing there.

Does that matter? I would think it would. Women look much different than men. When men look at women, they see a woman. When women look at men they see a man.

But in the blurred logic of the matriarchal world-view, the only thing that matters is that women are men. Biology is irrevelant.

As quoted in the article: "It's going to look like a female; it might not be very feminine," he said. "It will look like a nice, big, strong girl who's been through military training."

Oh, so in other words, the statue looks like a man. Now everyone in W.VA. has to look at a statue of a man that is supposed to be a woman. That may be appealing to lesbians, but not to men. The statue is a lie because women look...like women.

JK

A while back JK, posted the above without even seeing the satute in question.

Well here is a picture of it for those of you who may be still be interested in this topic.

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2003062514/

Will she be woman enough?

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Crossbow


A while back JK, posted the above without even seeing the satute in question.

Well here is a picture of it for those of you who may be still be interested in this topic.

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2003062514/

Will she be woman enough? http://www.dailymail.com/images/Drema0625.jpg
I dunno. I can't see the other end of that stick thing she's holding. If it turns out to be a mop, I'm sure Jedi will be very happy.

[MRC_Hans]

Mmm, if "somebody" does not think she is female enough, I must conclude that said "somebody" is not male enough :rolleyes:

Hans

[CWL]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
If it wasn't an issue, the leftist media wouldn't have brought it up for the nation to read about. The leftist media probably found it particularly funny that statues of men are now being hailed as statues of women. I do not think it is funny. When I look at a statue and there is a woman's name attached to it, I do not expect to see a statue with a penis and a mustache. I expect to see big breasts, a woman's waist, long hairless legs and no hair under the armpits, and no eyebrows connected together in the middle of the forehead. That is what I expect to see when I see a statue of a woman.

Michelangelo: Bloody fascist!

Pope: Look! I'm the bloody pope, I am! May not know much about art, but I know what I like!

[Suddenly]

The Charleston Daily Mail is part of the leftist media and therefore an active participant in the Matriarchial Cultural Terrorist Conspiracy. The picture included by crossbow is a hoax. Here is a picture of the real statue.

http://www.motka.com/08.19.02b/Mvc-001x.jpg


I hope this clears things up a bit.

[MRC_Hans]

Now, there's a babe!

Hans

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Now, there's a babe!

Hans

So you think a man who was personally responsible for 50,000,000 deaths of his own people was a "babe"? Would you pack his fudge if he was still alive?

JK

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


So you think a man who was personally responsible for 50,000,000 deaths of his own people was a "babe"? Would you pack his fudge if he was still alive?

JK

50 million deaths!

Wow! Where does that data come from?

And what do think of the statue?

[jj]

Originally posted by Crossbow


Ohhhh! We fragile people from WV are so scared!

Get a life joker.

Maybe you would feel better if you shared your highly placed thoughts of how planets generate gravity as they orbit stars because you know as much about physics as you do the arts.

I'm not sure exactly what this thread is on about, but maybe we ought to send JK down the New River Gorge in a 4-person raft with 3 female guides?

:D

[jj]

Originally posted by Doubt


You called it terrorism. You should be able to explain it.

It's just part of his campaign to desensitize us all to violence, so when they come for us, nobody will object. :rolleyes:

[Suddenly]

Wasn't it Stalin, not Lenin, that killed everyone?

Does Jedi know there is a difference?

Wait. I forgot. All communists (or socialists, or anyone who has even thought about voting democrat) are responsible for all crimes committed by all communists (etc.). Sorry.

Also, just so I don't underestimate Jedi's paranoia, Crossbow's picture was the real one. I admit it. I can't wait to see how Jedi is going to avoid admitting he was wrong.

So about the statue

Will Jedi:

a) Ignore the thread
b) start ranting on some other issue (Lenin perhaps?)
c) admit he made accusations with no factual basis and apologize
d) make an irrelevant personal attack
or
e) announce he will stop posting here

You make the call. I'll go with "d"

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Suddenly
Wasn't it Stalin, not Lenin, that killed everyone?

Does Jedi know there is a difference?

Wait. I forgot. All communists (or socialists, or anyone who has even thought about voting democrat) are responsible for all crimes committed by all communists (etc.). Sorry.

Also, just so I don't underestimate Jedi's paranoia, Crossbow's picture was the real one. I admit it. I can't wait to see how Jedi is going to avoid admitting he was wrong.

So about the statue

Will Jedi:

a) Ignore the thread
b) start ranting on some other issue (Lenin perhaps?)
c) admit he made accusations with no factual basis and apologize
d) make an irrelevant personal attack
or
e) announce he will stop posting here

You make the call. I'll go with "d"

Well sock-puppet, my view of the statue in the picture is that it is not the original one that they wanted but reshaped it because of complaints.

I am thinking that the statue did not look like that initially and was altered to give it more feminine characteristics, but I didn't see the first version. That said, I think it is important that the statue have breasts large enough to distinguish it between male/female easily by anyone that sees it and the rest really doesn't matter. They will probably throw an 'angry' head on the statue anyway.

But if they call it a chick, there must be some feature that decisively makes it a chick.

JK

[Crossbow]

JK:

There was no 'first' version of the staute. The one in the photo is one that the artist is going to submit for jurying. It is the only one he has ever done for this contract and there are no others that he did. Nor are there any 'angry heads' for this statue, if approved, that model will be the image that will be bronzed.

OK now?

And what about those 50 million that Lenin killed? I was not aware of any such thing so I would like to know where this data came from. It sounds like you are getting Lenin mixed up with Stalin, and Stalin came to power after Lenin died.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
JK:

There was no 'first' version of the staute. The one in the photo is one that the artist is going to submit for jurying. It is the only one he has ever done for this contract and there are no others that he did. Nor are there any 'angry heads' for this statue, if approved, that model will be the image that will be bronzed.

OK now?

And what about those 50 million that Lenin killed? I was not aware of any such thing so I would like to know where this data came from. It sounds like you are getting Lenin mixed up with Stalin, and Stalin came to power after Lenin died.

Read "The Black Book of Communism."

JK

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Crossbow


A while back JK, posted the above without even seeing the satute in question.

Well here is a picture of it for those of you who may be still be interested in this topic.

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2003062514/

Will she be woman enough?
Where do I surrender?
"To win in love you must surrender."---Jonathon Richman

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
JK:

There was no 'first' version of the staute. The one in the photo is one that the artist is going to submit for jurying. It is the only one he has ever done for this contract and there are no others that he did. Nor are there any 'angry heads' for this statue, if approved, that model will be the image that will be bronzed.

OK now?

And what about those 50 million that Lenin killed? I was not aware of any such thing so I would like to know where this data came from. It sounds like you are getting Lenin mixed up with Stalin, and Stalin came to power after Lenin died.

There was a first version. In the article people saw the thing and said: "Where is the woman?" That was described as "everyone" who saw it too. :rolleyes:

It isn't a big deal. Maybe the artist brought it back to the matriarchal cave and threw some boobs on it. I am satisfied with how it looks.

JK

[Suddenly]

Well sock-puppet, my view of the statue in the picture is that it is not the original one that they wanted but reshaped it because of complaints.

Jedi went off the board and chose:

f) Fabricate facts to avoid admitting he was wrong.

I'ts true though. I am a sock puppet.

Worse yet, my master has me on his left hand. :eek:

So does this "Black Book of Communism" have actual evidence that Lenin killed 50,000,000 people or does it just make the claim that Lenin is responsible for the crimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mo Udall, etc.?


There was a first version. In the article people saw the thing and said: "Where is the woman?" That was described as "everyone" who saw it too.


Wow. It was described as "everyone" because YOU described it as "everyone." That section of your post is not attributed to an original source and appears to be your judgment based on the reading of the original source.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Suddenly


Jedi went off the board and chose:

f) Fabricate facts to avoid admitting he was wrong.

I'ts true though. I am a sock puppet.

Worse yet, my master has me on his left hand. :eek:

So does this "Black Book of Communism" have actual evidence that Lenin killed 50,000,000 people or does it just make the claim that Lenin is responsible for the crimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mo Udall, etc.?

Wow. It was described as "everyone" because YOU described it as "everyone." That section of your post is not attributed to an original source and appears to be your judgment based on the reading of the original source.

The statue has boobs now. The outcome is all that matters.

JK

[Ziggurat]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Knowing that then, I can see where some women would be so jealous of men that they would try to sneak in a statue of a man in uniform and call it a woman. It fits with the delusional unreality of modern political correctness and matriarchal cultural terrorism.
JK

But it wasn't a woman who designed the statue (unless the feminazis have harnessed Martian mind control technology from remote viewing of Area 51 - better look into that). You don't make any sense, JK. Keep your conspiracy theories straight. And until I actually see it, I'm not going to make any judgements about whether the statue is too masculine or not. Have you actually seen what it looks like, or are you just going by what other people have said? If you had a legitimate point, you would have waited for a picture before posting your rant, since it's not going to go away anytime soon even if you convince everyone it's an abomination.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Ziggurat


But it wasn't a woman who designed the statue (unless the feminazis have harnessed Martian mind control technology from remote viewing of Area 51 - better look into that). You don't make any sense, JK. Keep your conspiracy theories straight. And until I actually see it, I'm not going to make any judgements about whether the statue is too masculine or not. Have you actually seen what it looks like, or are you just going by what other people have said? If you had a legitimate point, you would have waited for a picture before posting your rant, since it's not going to go away anytime soon even if you convince everyone it's an abomination.

Well Golly Gomer Pyle, the picture has been posted all day. WTF do you think we have been talking about?

JK

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The statue has boobs now. The outcome is all that matters.

JK

You mean the statue has bigger and larger boobs now, except for the male space aliens that don't have breasts.

[CWL]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
It isn't a big deal. Maybe the artist brought it back to the matriarchal cave and threw some boobs on it. I am satisfied with how it looks.

Ah, I see. This is a issue about boobs.

So tell me Jedi, do all women on your planet have large breasts? Which planet is that? Planet Playboy?

[The Fool]

Lol....Jedi shot his mouth off before he even saw the statue!!! precious......

But , of course, he now manufactures a conspiracy theory about people secretly changing the statue.......Lol.....

The continuing story of our resident P&CE court jester.....Caught lying yet again....

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


So you think a man who was personally responsible for 50,000,000 deaths of his own people was a "babe"? Would you pack his fudge if he was still alive?

JK What happened, JK? You used to have a sense of humor.

Seriously, though, Lenin is every bit as much a babe as that soldier statue is a man.

Hans

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


There was a first version. In the article people saw the thing and said: "Where is the woman?" That was described as "everyone" who saw it too. :rolleyes:

It isn't a big deal. Maybe the artist brought it back to the matriarchal cave and threw some boobs on it. I am satisfied with how it looks.

JK

That is exactly what I thought you meant: You did not even see the statue before complaining about it. But now that you have seen you it, you approve of it.

[CWL]

Originally posted by Crossbow


That is exactly what I thought you meant: You did not even see the statue before complaining about it. But now that you have seen you it, you approve of it.

...because it features perceptible mammaries. :rolleyes: