Would you like to be a girl?

[yinyinwang]

If you have a second chance to choose.

[bjornart]

What do you mean second chance? I didn't get to choose the first time. And what sane heterosexual male wouldn't want to be a girl, or more precisely, a lesbian.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by bjornart
What do you mean second chance? I didn't get to choose the first time. And what sane heterosexual male wouldn't want to be a girl, or more precisely, a lesbian.
If god give you a new birth chance.

[Zep]

It seems the odds were 50:50 the first time round. I'm half and half on it now too.

[Keneke]

If it were reversible, sure. I'd go seek out some lesbian sex, and then change back to male before I hit the glass ceiling.

[jan]

Would you like to be born as a girl who is asked "would you like to be a boy?" and answers "yes"?

[rebecca]

Originally posted by jan
Would you like to be born as a girl who is asked "would you like to be a boy?" and answers "yes"?

This hurt my head, just a little.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Keneke
If it were reversible, sure. I'd go seek out some lesbian sex, and then change back to male before I hit the glass ceiling.

Originally posted by Hank Hill
"It's called the double standard, Bobby. Don't knock it, we got the long end of the stick on that one." :D

I'd be a woman for awhile, just so I could write really authentic female characters. It would be cool if you could just trade back and forth- higher pay and better advancement as a man in your career, free drinks at ladies' night after work. :)

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
If you have a second chance to choose.

Absolutely not.

Too much maintenance.
Not enough physical strength.
The plumbing is all wrong and far more prone to problems.
Requires foreplay to orgasam.
Monthly endurement of messy, bitchy, bloaty, unreasonable, illogical and mean.
Glass ceiling.
Bad hair day is actually a concern.
Requires 120%-260% more time to start a car and leave.
Luggage requirement.

I could go on but why bother. The very idea of it sucks.

[Darat]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
If you have a second chance to choose.

I don't remember choosing the first time around ... ;) And aren't I already 50% female? (Being male with both X and Y chromosomes?)

I presume if I was a born female I would feel just the same way about being female as I do now being a male? Could "I" ever be female and still be "I"?

Looking around me it seems that being female would be slightly less desirable - mainly because of the still apparent unequal opportunities (in general) for females compared to males.

So on balance I wouldn’t trade-in my lower set of dangly bits for a woman's higher up set.

[Scot C. Trypal]

It sounds like a lot of work and, in some cultures, for less social power. I’ll keep my anatomy and it’s occasional perks, thank you very much.

Besides, whatever we are, don’t most people have a strong gender identity? I think of myself as male; I like traditionally masculine things. If I did not, I would not be me, and if my anatomy didn’t match the way I felt, I would be very uncomfortable (as seems to be the case for pre-op transsexuals and some hermaphrodites with parents who made the choice of anatomy for them when they were just infants).

[zer0vector]

Originally posted by Piscivore
:D

I'd be a woman for awhile, just so I could write really authentic female characters.

Receptionist : How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall : Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Seismosaurus]

It would be interesting to give it a go for a few months, but long term? No way in hell, I like being a guy.

[StaticEngine]

Only if I could be a really hot girl, and keep my current level of intellect. I imagine it would take me all of 12 hours to get pretty much anything I wanted from any guy in the world.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Seismosaurus
It would be interesting to give it a go for a few months, but long term? No way in hell, I like being a guy.

Twenty-seven days, and you could avoid the messy bit.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by zer0vector
Receptionist : How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall : Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

What's that from?

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by Piscivore
What's that from?

The movie: As Good As It Gets with Jack Nicholson and Helen Hunt.

[Chanileslie]

Yes, I would like to be a girl, which is fortunate because I am a girl!! Yay!

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Piscivore
:D

I'd be a woman for awhile, just so I could write really authentic female characters. It would be cool if you could just trade back and forth- higher pay and better advancement as a man in your career, free drinks at ladies' night after work. :)
You've read Gaiman's story 'Changes'?

[epepke]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
If you have a second chance to choose.

I suppose that you mean in some hypothetical universe where you get to choose which sex you are born with, and it happens again. I also suppose you assume that most of the attributes having to do with sex, such as sexual orientation, are swapped from the present, but most of the attributes not normally associated with sex, such as basic intelligence, remain unchanged.

If memories remain, then it's a no-brainer. Might as well try out the other sex if you have a chance. If no memories remain, then I still think the answer would be yes. When I think of the things that have been difficult or unachievable in my life versus the ones that I have found easy, my conclusion is that the things in my life that I have found easy might have been slightly more difficult as a girl, but the things that have been difficult would have been much easier.

[jan]

Originally posted by StaticEngine
Only if I could be a really hot girl, and keep my current level of intellect. I imagine it would take me all of 12 hours to get pretty much anything I wanted from any guy in the world.

So a really hot girl with your level of intellect could get anything she wanted from you?

[Interesting Ian]

I wouldn't mind at all being born a female in my next life (I believe in reincarnation). Maybe I might be less intelligent than in this life (my experience suggests to me that both the least intelligent and most intelligent people tend to be males). But I'm not bothered about that.

[Eleatic Stranger]

Jan-
I won't speak for StaticEngine, but speaking for myself the answer is yes.

[jan]

Originally posted by Eleatic Stranger
Jan-
I won't speak for StaticEngine, but speaking for myself the answer is yes.

You mean being a really hot girl with StaticEngine's level of intellect or being a really hot girl with your level of intellect?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
You've read Gaiman's story 'Changes'?

No, I've read all his novels but only a couple of the short stories. I'll look for it, thanks.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Piscivore
No, I've read all his novels but only a couple of the short stories. I'll look for it, thanks.
It's in Smoke and Mirrors, which is a great collection all around.

[MoeFaux]

Two words:

Multiple
Orgasms

[StaticEngine]

Originally posted by jan
So a really hot girl with your level of intellect could get anything she wanted from you?
My wife certainly has no problem, and I consider her both hot and my intellectual equal.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by MoeFaux
Two words:

Multiple
Orgasms

Four words: Not Restricted to Females.


That's all I'll say :D

[Patrick]

If you're born a girl, you're screwed! :) Your gender is actually the first lottery in your life. Some get to be deuces, some get to be aces. I'm an ace! :D

[MLynn]

I can't believe all the male chauvinism in this thread - do you guys hate women or what?!

I love being a girlie girl, I mean woman. Being female is fun and I wouldn't want to be a man for anything. I like who I am.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by jan
Would you like to be born as a girl who is asked "would you like to be a boy?" and answers "yes"?
No An answer of 30s is better.

[MoeFaux]

In all seriousness?

I love being a woman. I love being saucy and sexy and spunky and having that be okay. I like the way people treat me. I like the advantages I have. I like being soft and pretty.

I don't believe there's a glass ceiling. And I'm pretty damn sure I can get what I want more than any man could.

I wouldn't want to be a man even for a day. I can DO all the things men do anyway. I go to strip clubs. I sleep with women. I make crude jokes. I just sit down to pee. And I have all the advantages of having a vagina.

Trade being a woman? No way.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
Monthly endurement of ...bitchy, ...unreasonable, illogical and mean.

What do you mean, "monthly"? :D

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by MoeFaux
I can DO all the things men do anyway.

Make a baby, all by yourself, then. Male. ;)

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by StaticEngine
Only if I could be a really hot girl, and keep my current level of intellect. I imagine it would take me all of 12 hours to get pretty much anything I wanted from any guy in the world.
When the a** works, the brain stops developing, you can't have both with the same body.

[rebecca]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
When the a** works, the brain stops developing, you can't have both with the same body.

If you need us, Moe and I will be over here in a corner, discussing Nabokov and trying on mini skirts.

:p

[StaticEngine]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
When the a** works, the brain stops developing, you can't have both with the same body.
Just because some women use their body more than their brains, it doens't mean all do.

I know several smarty hotties that have gotten my engine roaring. Luckily, I have self control, and I love my wife, or I'd have gotten into a lot of trouble because of them.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by StaticEngine
I know several smarty hotties that have gotten my engine roaring. Luckily, I have self control, and I love my wife, or I'd have gotten into a lot of trouble because of them.

What he said. :)

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Make a baby, all by yourself, then. Male. ;)

That is easy enough to do: She can simply be artificially inseminated. Heck with cloning, eventually the need for male sperm would be completely eliminated. :D

edited because I can't spell!

[MoeFaux]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
When the a** works, the brain stops developing, you can't have both with the same body.


I think that may be true.
I know in my case I was an ugly duckling. I stayed in the school library for every break and lunch recess. I studied for fun. I developed a biting sarcastic wit that only comes from being made fun of constantly as a child.
But then I got cute. And now I have both brains and beauty.

And let me tell you.

It freakin' sucks. Now I just get idiots hitting on me just because I fit the cute girl mold, and all all the smart guys run because they think I'm dumb just from appearances.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by rebecca
If you need us, Moe and I will be over here in a corner, discussing Nabokov and trying on mini skirts.

:p
What about swim suits?

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by MLynn
I can't believe all the male chauvinism in this thread - do you guys hate women or what?!

I love being a girlie girl, I mean woman. Being female is fun and I wouldn't want to be a man for anything. I like who I am.
They just enjoy themself too much.
And I know, girls feel swaying fun in sex, which man does't have a clue. I miss that fun in this life.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
Absolutely not.

Too much maintenance.
Not enough physical strength.
The plumbing is all wrong and far more prone to problems.
Requires foreplay to orgasam.
Monthly endurement of messy, bitchy, bloaty, unreasonable, illogical and mean.
Glass ceiling.
Bad hair day is actually a concern.
Requires 120%-260% more time to start a car and leave.
Luggage requirement.

I could go on but why bother. The very idea of it sucks.
Is this too much a price for a real hot body?

[epepke]

Originally posted by MLynn
I can't believe all the male chauvinism in this thread - do you guys hate women or what?!

That's one of the reasons I wouldn't mind being a girl in another incarnation. You can whip out the "You chauvanist!" trump card all you want, and nobody will call you a wuss. You can also say things like "All men are potential rapists" and get away with that, too.

[espritch]

The thing about being a woman that I have always found intriguing is the notion of having a baby kicking inside you. I think that would be an interesting experience.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by Chanileslie
That is easy enough to do: She can simply be artificially inseminated. Heck with cloning, eventually the need for male sperm would be completely eliminated. :D

edited because I can't spell!
That is only repeating, not improving.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by MoeFaux
I think that may be true.

And let me tell you.

It freakin' sucks. Now I just get idiots hitting on me just because I fit the cute girl mold, and all all the smart guys run because they think I'm dumb just from appearances.
Judging you from appearance is some smart guys? That is typical female expression.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
I wouldn't mind at all being born a female in my next life (I believe in reincarnation). Maybe I might be less intelligent than in this life (my experience suggests to me that both the least intelligent and most intelligent people tend to be males). But I'm not bothered about that.
LOL! It's hard to imagine you being less intelligent, especially based on that chauvinistic comment. Think carefully, Ian. Could your sexist arrogance be one reason why no women want to be with you?

[MLynn]

Originally posted by espritch
The thing about being a woman that I have always found intriguing is the notion of having a baby kicking inside you. I think that would be an interesting experience.
Me too, I never had children.

[wipeout]

I have no interest in being female as it would hold no advantages for me. I'm certainly very glad to have avoided menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth and breast-feeding. :)

I'd be much more interested in being able to listen in to women's thoughts. That'd be cool.

[MRC_Hans]

MMm, late on this tread, too. Seems I'm spending too little time here, heheh.

Would I want to be a girl? No, 'cause then I'd have to sleep with guys.

Hans

[rebecca]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans


Would I want to be a girl? No, 'cause then I'd have to sleep with guys.



Well, you wouldn't HAVE to . . .


But it is more fun than you might think. :D

[rebecca]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
Judging you from appearance is some smart guys? That is typical female expression.


Is that a typical male response?

There are different variations of "smart," yin. Hell, there might even be one to desribe you. :D

Anyway, the idea is that even intelligent, thoughtful people can make rash judgements. But come on, Moe, it sure is fun to surprise 'em when you open your mouth, isn't it? It's one of my favorite things about being a girl!

[DanishDynamite]

Being a die hard materialist (and a party-pooper, I guess) I reject the very possibility. "I" could no more be born a girl than "I" could be born a bed-mite.

If the question was whether "I", with the knowledge of the world that I have, would judge that being born a female in this world would be better than being born a male.....no. But then I'm very biased. :)

[Seismosaurus]

Originally posted by Piscivore
Twenty-seven days, and you could avoid the messy bit.

Tempting, but I think I'd want the messy bit - just to see what it's like.

Question - would you want your female self to be attractive, or not?

I suppose the obvious thing to say would be that you'd want to be a real looker. But wouldn't it be creepy to be the object of lust from men? If all you want to do is find out what it's like to be a woman, wouldn't it be more comfortable to be plain? Or is living with men lusting after you part of the experience?

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by rebecca
Is that a typical male response?

There are different variations of "smart," yin. Hell, there might even be one to desribe you. :D

Anyway, the idea is that even intelligent, thoughtful people can make rash judgements. But come on, Moe, it sure is fun to surprise 'em when you open your mouth, isn't it? It's one of my favorite things about being a girl!
It is hard to choose between different funs, not as bad or good as you may imagine.
If you open without saying anything, it is more shocking.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
Absolutely not.
The plumbing is all wrong and far more prone to problems.


Urethra running through prostate gland.

God screwed up the plumbing on the other model pretty well too.


Originally posted by yinyinwang
Is this too much a price for a real hot body?

Beauty being mostly subjective and somewhat random, I'm not sure I'd trust the genetic dice enough to drop a snake eyes body for me. I'm just pretty enough as a male I can be obnoxiously vain about it, I don't know how well the blueprints would hold up in translation though.

I'll have to ask all my friends if I'd be a cute girl.

Actually, I don't even know that I'd want to be cute. I don't know if I could respond to unwanted male attention (of any sort) in any socially acceptable way. There'd be lots of capsaicin everywhere, that's all I've got to say.

I'm curious girls, how do you stand dresses and skirts? I tried them once (don't ask) and I could not stand the things, especially when they were tight. I felt all exposed, though that may have been because the camera was rolling and all of the other-

erm... moving along...

And those shoes you wear! What are those things? I'm aware that on average females have a little smaller feet, but still, how can you stand those things?

Even worse is that underwear! How can you stand that stuff? I simply could not put up with it when-

Erm... moving quickly along again...

Now, I've never tried having a little (human) parasite grow inside me, with the foreknowledge that one day it's going to explode painfully from between my thighs. The very thought is intriguing and unsettling in a weird reverse-freud kind of way.

I'd long toyed with the idea of parthenogenesis in humans. Asexual reproduction is rare in "higher" orders of animals, but not unknown. Parthenogenesis actually occurs in whiptail lizards and even certain breeds of turkeys. In the case of the turkeys, the females are heterozygous as far as sex chromosomes go, so the females can actually clone male versions of themselves!

Of course, in humans as all mammals, the females are homozygous, so parthenogenic women would herald an age of genetically unstable, but male-less humans, just like whiptail lizards.

Perhaps one day I'll have both of my X chromosomes extracted and tacked together, grown in a test tube and raised for eighteen years so I can unleash my female self (the closest approximation, actually) upon the world. Perhaps I could even drop those turkey parthenogenesis genes into her, so that the world would be populated with female clones of myself...

At the very least, I'll have someone to discuss Nabokov with.

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by rebecca
Well, you wouldn't HAVE to . . .


But it is more fun than you might think. :D Hehehe, I sure hope so ;)


Hans

[The Cats Venm]

The only way this question makes any sense is if ones brain was transplanted into another (female) body without killing it.

If that was possible then sure, I'd try it. I'd also try other male bodies, just for the experience.

If it was a question of switching and not being able to go back, well it would depend on my life at the time and the characteristics of the body. If I could rely on my family friends and job remaining (as in, they were mostly OK with it), and the body was good looking (I don't consider over the top to be good looking) I might seriously consider it. I'm not going to be doing any heavy physical labor type job so some reduced strength wouldn't be a problem.

There is no point really in thinking about it from birth, because then I would not at all be as I am now.


Also, If the switch would get me my arm back it would be quite tempting for that reason alone.

[Zep]

I'd rather be WITH a girl, frankly. And I have a particular one in mind who I am married to. :)

As a comment, I find it amusing that there's quite a quite noticeable desire to "look hot" and "dress sexy" as a desirable part of being female. And yet most women WILL find mates, and most WILL bear children, even the "non-hottie" ones. Perhaps the mating display is not altogether necessary (and in other species, it's usually the male who struts colourfully and the female who is dowdy).

Perhaps someone should start a thread: "Would you like to be a boy?" I wonder if the comments would be any different...

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by Tricky
LOL! It's hard to imagine you being less intelligent, especially based on that chauvinistic comment. Think carefully, Ian. Could your sexist arrogance be one reason why no women want to be with you?

My sexist arrogance? So what exactly does this sexist arrogance consist in then? I admit that I think that men and women are very very different. I've also said that I would be delighted to be born a female in my next life (although I find it difficult to imagine fancying guys, if for no other reason than a lot of them are such *********).

And plenty of women are after my body thanks. It's just that the ones that are, I'm not particularly interested in. I want someone intelligent and kind, and not just after my body but attracted to my soul.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by The Cats Venm
[B]The only way this question makes any sense is if ones brain was transplanted into another (female) body without killing it.



Not at all. You're presuming that the self is generated by the brain. If this is not so, then it is perfectly feasible for your self to operate through another brain.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by bjornart
What do you mean second chance? I didn't get to choose the first time. And what sane heterosexual male wouldn't want to be a girl, or more precisely, a lesbian.
No; a cute, bisexual Japanese girl who puts on shows with her girlfriend for her boyfriend, and who does threesomes, foursomes, and moresomes, who always wears stockings and high heels, and who... err... (Content edited for becoming increasingly vulgar...) :p :D

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon


I'll have to ask all my friends if I'd be a cute girl.

you don't have to worry about that, there are enough hotties for you to choose.


Perhaps one day I'll have both of my X chromosomes extracted and tacked together, grown in a test tube and raised for eighteen years so I can unleash my female self (the closest approximation, actually) upon the world. Perhaps I could even drop those turkey parthenogenesis genes into her, so that the world would be populated with female clones of myself...

At the very least, I'll have someone to discuss Nabokov with.
that is quite imagining, just don't make too many.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by Zep
I'd rather be WITH a girl, frankly. And I have a particular one in mind who I am married to. :)

As a comment, I find it amusing that there's quite a quite noticeable desire to "look hot" and "dress sexy" as a desirable part of being female. And yet most women WILL find mates, and most WILL bear children, even the "non-hottie" ones. Perhaps the mating display is not altogether necessary (and in other species, it's usually the male who struts colourfully and the female who is dowdy).

Perhaps someone should start a thread: "Would you like to be a boy?" I wonder if the comments would be any different...
the brain is just the hardware, it still can be applied differently, same brain gives very different output.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Zep
Perhaps someone should start a thread: "Would you like to be a boy?" I wonder if the comments would be any different...
Would you like to be a boy, Zep? Better yet, would you like to be a man? :p :D

[Gastric ReFlux]

Yes, so long as I was a lesbian and the woman I love presently would be a lesbian with me.

And it would be so cool to have my own boobs to play with.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Yes, so long as I was a lesbian and the woman I love presently would be a lesbian with me.

And it would be so cool to have my own boobs to play with.
Now you're making a right tit of yourself... :p :D

[dmarker]

Originally posted by epepke
I suppose that you mean in some hypothetical universe where you get to choose which sex you are born with, and it happens again. I also suppose you assume that most of the attributes having to do with sex, such as sexual orientation, are swapped from the present, but most of the attributes not normally associated with sex, such as basic intelligence, remain unchanged.

If memories remain, then it's a no-brainer. Might as well try out the other sex if you have a chance. If no memories remain, then I still think the answer would be yes. When I think of the things that have been difficult or unachievable in my life versus the ones that I have found easy, my conclusion is that the things in my life that I have found easy might have been slightly more difficult as a girl, but the things that have been difficult would have been much easier.

Which things would you think would be more difficult as a girl and which things do you think would be easier?

[CWL]

Originally posted by bjornart
What do you mean second chance? I didn't get to choose the first time. And what sane heterosexual male wouldn't want to be a girl, or more precisely, a lesbian.

I think the above reply about sums it up.

[TragicMonkey]

I wouldn't mind being two girls: Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. They've got it all: money, fame, vampiric powers...and they're seen as such nice girls that they could probably get away with a lot of stuff before the tide of public opinion turned and forced them to unleash the flying monkeys...

[JAR]

Absolutely not. I feel bad for women, because the most physically fit woman will never be as physically fit as the most physically fit man is. I personally think that women are not designed by evolution to be physically fit. That's something men are designed to be, but not women.

I've also noticed that there are virtually no women who compose film scores. Even Wendy Carlos, who composes synthesized film scores, is actually a man with a sex change operation. I don't know why so few women compose film scores. I can't even think of any off the top of my head. Maybe they just don't like orchestral music.

[losman]

This is from my roommate...

Why she hates being a woman

1. She is the object of desire from unsavory men

2. She is not taken seriously for her opinion, often being called a b!tch for expressing it.

3. She hates getting her "Monthlies", she complains for a week.

4. Her haircuts are hideouly expensive

5. Her clothes are more delicate and way more expensive requiring more maintence (Dry cleaning, ironing)

6. Fear of getting pregnant

7. Having to shave around genitals and getting painful waxings

8. She "has" to put on makeup to go jogging to compete with other attractive women

9. She has a small chest and feels inadequete around C and D cups and Silicon Gals

10. She hates how petty and vile women are in the pursuit of men, often she feels that women are their own worst enemy.

She often tells me she wishes she had be been born a man but she is ok with being a woman because she is attracted to men and enjoys sex


She also thinks all men suck

[rebecca]

Originally posted by losman
This is from my roommate...

Why she hates being a woman

1. She is the object of desire from unsavory men

2. She is not taken seriously for her opinion, often being called a b!tch for expressing it.

3. She hates getting her "Monthlies", she complains for a week.

4. Her haircuts are hideouly expensive

5. Her clothes are more delicate and way more expensive requiring more maintence (Dry cleaning, ironing)

6. Fear of getting pregnant

7. Having to shave around genitals and getting painful waxings

8. She "has" to put on makeup to go jogging to compete with other attractive women

9. She has a small chest and feels inadequete around C and D cups and Silicon Gals

10. She hates how petty and vile women are in the pursuit of men, often she feels that women are their own worst enemy.

She often tells me she wishes she had be been born a man but she is ok with being a woman because she is attracted to men and enjoys sex


She also thinks all men suck

So the only reason that she's "ok" with being a woman is because she enjoys sex with men?? Tell her to get a sex change, become a gay man, and get over it.

WHY I LOVE BEING A WOMAN.

1. I am the object of desire by savory men.

2. I am smart and funny, a lethal combination that makes men sit up and take attention. The last man I was with told me that my quick wit and dirty mouth drove him crazy with desire. He called me a b!tch and I called him much worse. Then we laughed and had great sex.

3. When I'm on my period, I get to eat ice cream and have things brought to me. If I'm upset, blaming it on PMS helps me get over it and get on with my life, making me much happier.

4. I get my hair cut for $20 including tip at a place called Rudy's Tattoo and Barber shop. Now that I've grown it out, I rarely need to go anymore. Long hair is incredibly inexpensive to care for.

5. When I buy and wear nice things, I take care of them. I also have schlumpy clothes that can go in the wash and last a long time, because I'm all about the quality. Men are or should be the same. I'm glad I don't have to wear indistinguishable business suits to work every day that I have to have dry cleaned.

6. I take the pill and use a condom. Some girls only have oral or anal. We have bodies built for having babies, but modern science is a beautiful thing. Get over it.

7. Takes me no time at all to shave half my body. Takes a man longer to shave just his face, and every now and then he will gush blood. If I don't feel like shaving, I don't. If someone complains about a little stubble, I tell them to shove their anti-woman hate speech where the sun doesn't shine. I win. :D

8. If you don't put on make-up before you go for a jog, you won't clog up your pores and your skin will be clearer, and you won't need to wear make-up. There, wasn't that easy?

9. I like my small chest. Yep. B-cups. Hey, when I'm 40, they'll still be in approximately the same place that they are now, as opposed to down at my knees. If a woman doesn't like her breasts, she can get a boob job and solve all her problems. Oh, or get some self-esteem. It's much sexier.

10. Yes, sometimes women are their own worst enemies. Sometimes, men are their own worst enemies. Sometimes, hamsters are their own worst enemies. WHEN WILL THE HATE STOP?

losman, if your friend thinks all men suck, I would suggest she become a lesbian, only it sounds like she doesn't like women, either. I'm sure there are some kinky options out there for her and wish her the best of luck.

[rebecca]

Originally posted by JAR
Absolutely not. I feel bad for women, because the most physically fit woman will never be as physically fit as the most physically fit man is. I personally think that women are not designed by evolution to be physically fit. That's something men are designed to be, but not women.


This is almost too silly to merit comment. Almost.

[losman]

Rebecca

Believe me, I try to let her know she is a great and sucessful person, she is working on her Masters and looks great but she feels like it is a waste because she is not sucessful yet (She's 25 in still in grad school).

I think she is fickle when it come to guys and is quick to jump in bed, she dates losers and gets upset when she is used or cheated on. She lumps blame on all men but she has known me for 4 years and I treat her very well. I warn about the patterns I see in her behavior and she lashes out at me for not letting her live her life

As for why we don't date there is that "We are just friends" oh well......

btw- she just broke it off with a guy who was cheating on her majorly, I saw all the signs and warned her but she was "happy" to with a good looking guy.

I love women and appreciate them for putting up with us but I just wish some men treated them better as I find it tough meeting women who are angry when I have to deal with the mistakes and misdeeds of other guys.

[JAR]

Originally posted by losman
I love women and appreciate them for putting up with us but I just wish some men treated them better as I find it tough meeting women who are angry when I have to deal with the mistakes and misdeeds of other guys.
I agree. In my opinion, men these days have continued to justify the feminist movement.

[epepke]

Originally posted by dmarker
Which things would you think would be more difficult as a girl and which things do you think would be easier?

I wrote a response to this, but it seems to have gone into the ether.

More difficult: I think it might be more difficult to be taken seriously as a competent geek. On the other hand, I find this extremely difficult already. I don't fit the profile of male geek. I'm too general, and my knowledge is too broad. I'm not obsessive enough over a single thing or small set of things.

Easier: Sexual socialization. I've never been particularly aggressive in the "courtship" phase of sexual socialization, and it took me a long time to realize how strong the cultural expectation that males be aggressive is. Females often claim that this is not so, but that is because it is largely invisible to them, and they have access to an ideology that absolves them of admitting the possiblity that things invisible to them are real. Eventually I learned and have empirical evidence to show that I have learned how to fake well enough; however, it took me too long to have a reasonable shot at a relationship that involves having children, which causes me great distress.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by rebecca

WHY I LOVE BEING A WOMAN.

1. I am the object of desire by savory men. /1. She is the object of desire from unsavory men

both side of a coin. happy or not. it is up to you.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by epepke
I wrote a response to this, but it seems to have gone into the ether.


my post counting becomes 99. lots are just gone!

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by JAR


Absolutely not. I feel bad for women, because the most physically fit woman will never be as physically fit as the most physically fit man is.


The weight lifting record for women and men (from an admittedly dated book, but I doubt the fundamental laws of biology have changed since 1996) are 150 and 266 kilograms respectively.

The records for the women's and men's high jump are (were, same source) 2.09 and 2.44 meters respectively.

Female sprinters are about 2 kph slower than male ones, the record for males in the 50 meter freestyle is 2.31 m/s and 2.07 m/s for females.

Women are indeed less physically capable then men are, though fitness is harder to debate. At the peak performance of the best athletes, women are not very far behind men except in weightlifting, where a larger build and more testosterone are no doubt a boon to males.

In a modern world where large muscles are of reduced usefulness and importance, women can operate their modern day equivalents just as well as men, in most cases.

Firearms, which replace muscles and muscle-driven devices as today's premier weapons, are operated as skillfully by women as by men. True, women have smaller hands on average, but those could actually be advantageous with smaller concealed arms, and most men can't skillfully fire trans .44 caliber handguns anyway, so on average women are hardly worse off.

The situation is the same for large rifles. Having recently fired a .416 Rigby, I can assert the recoil was unpleasant despite the latest gadgetry short of a muzzle break available to keep the gun from killing me. I got flung back a good 20 centimeters back every time I tripped the trigger. At 70 kilos, however, I'm about average weight for an American woman in her 40's-50's, so there isn't any reason that exceptional women couldn't operate these exceptional weapons. Most men don't, at any rate. Most average women would certainly be capable of using a 30-06 or similar gun as well as their male peers.

Despite persistent myths that women are poorer drivers, their insurance rates are lower. In an age and place where cars have largely replaced legs as the main means of transport, it could hardly be asserted the females are any less "fit".

Finally, it's reckoned by some that women make better aerobatics pilots because they have higher blood pressure and are shorter. I don't know if that's true or not, but there are certainly exceptional female aerobatics pilots (http://www.pattywagstaff.com/).


I personally think that women are not designed by evolution to be physically fit. That's something men are designed to be, but not women.

As much as it is appropriate to assign "intent" and "design" to evolution (i.e., not at all), speculation on the reasons behind human sexual dimorphism is on even shakier ground. Men are bigger, not much can be said beyond that. A longer stride, different hormones and lack of exciting drag-producing bodies explain their running, weight lifting and swimming superiority respectively. To say this means some provident Nature intended men to be the physical betters of women for whatever reason is going out on a limb.

Male turkeys are far larger than female ones, as in all gallinaceous birds. They have more muscles, bones, the works. they have longer feathers, they even have decorations the females don't have. All this is because they need to show off to the ladies. The wattles, gaudy tail displays and whatnot of the male gallinaceous birds is entirely a liability except during courtship.

Who's to say that human male brawn doesn't serve an analogous purpose? Megaloceros, pheasant, and Hercules beetle males are all much larger than the females, but only because they pursue them so desperately. The gross anatomical modifications they endure as a matter of sex could even be said to spring from the capricious fancy of the females.


I've also noticed that there are virtually no women who compose film scores. Even Wendy Carlos, who composes synthesized film scores, is actually a man with a sex change operation. I don't know why so few women compose film scores. I can't even think of any off the top of my head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Schumann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Malibran
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Beach

Maybe they just don't like orchestral music.

http://www.schirmer.com/repertoire/women.html

[Beerina]

Originally posted by espritch
The thing about being a woman that I have always found intriguing is the notion of having a baby kicking inside you. I think that would be an interesting experience.

I think it would be neat, too, and I'm a male.

I remember on the ancient Phil Donahue show, they had some transexuals, including one female-to-male. This person had had a baby, and stated, rather angrily, that she/he found the experience "gross".

At that point, I knew this wasn't a "man in a woman's body", but somebody screwed up psychologically. Men wouldn't find the experience "gross".

[Beerina]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon

Finally, it's reckoned by some that women make better aerobatics pilots because they have higher blood pressure and are shorter. I don't know if that's true or not, but there are certainly exceptional female aerobatics pilots (http://www.pattywagstaff.com/).

[/B]

Smaller in general means they can take greater G's without passing out. I don't think it has to do with higher blood pressure per se (if anything, women average lower bp, I'd guess.) Imagine the G's a mouse could take. Plot the curve, and women are between the mouse and the man.


Who's to say that human male brawn doesn't serve an analogous purpose? Megaloceros, pheasant, and Hercules beetle males are all much larger than the females, but only because they pursue them so desperately. The gross anatomical modifications they endure as a matter of sex could even be said to spring from the capricious fancy of the females.


Males are the dandies in basically all species of animal, whether they are smaller or larger. It just doesn't seem that way to humans because 1. women artificially dandy themselves, 2. Men generally don't, and 3. from the (average) male viewpoint, of course women are the pretty ones.


Still, we have our "manes". Stop shaving for a few weeks if you don't believe me. We are physically larger and stronger. An alien race would, couch potatoes aside, see the male as the "pretty" half of the species, with the female the plain one.

Imagine female guppies or peacocks (peahens) putting on makeup to make themselves flashy, and the males covering up their flashiness, plucking their magnificent tail feathers "shaving", etc. etc. etc.

Oh, we're such a screwed up species. :(

[Beerina]

After thinking about that a few minutes, I think there are some mitigating factors.

I think human females have evolved beyond merely being "chemically sexually attractive", and have thus evolved curvier figures, fuller breasts, bigger lips (shared with males), all much more than necessary for dumb animal sexual attraction. In other words, the shape of the human female is evolution due to higher level intelligence consciously choosing bigger "sexual" things.

It may be a slightly circular argument, but I think there's a kernel of truth in there somewhere. Teleport back a few hundred thousand years, abduct a few (abandoned) female babies, feed them nutritious food, and you probably would not get hips or breasts as full as a modern woman's.

[rebecca]

Originally posted by Beerina

At that point, I knew this wasn't a "man in a woman's body", but somebody screwed up psychologically. Men wouldn't find the experience "gross".

Yeah? How do you know?



How come most guys cringe when I ask them to pick me up some tampons at the store? Oh, because they think it's gross. Periods are gross. Babies are gross. Blood, placentas, and vomit are gross. Yeast infections and pickle ice cream cravings are gross. Sure, we higher beings get over it, but I am pretty sure that if all the men in the world were suddenly to get pregnant, at least a few would use the term "gross" to describe the process, even if they followed it up with "beautiful thing of nature." Because that's what are bodies are: a disgusting, nasty, horrifying, gross, beautiful thing of nature.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Beerina
Males are the dandies in basically all species of animal, whether they are smaller or larger. It just doesn't seem that way to humans because 1. women artificially dandy themselves, 2. Men generally don't, and 3. from the (average) male viewpoint, of course women are the pretty ones.

This is a fairly recent development, and certainly not universal. Up until the 19th century it was males that got dandied up- see 18th century France, 17th century Japan for example.

I would also venture to guess that, from what I remember from Nat'l Geo, that in most tribally based societies even today the males are the ones that put on the show for the women.

[neutrino_cannon]

I seem to remember that in some ratites and shorebirds the sexual dynamics are different, I can't remember the details beyond communal nesting, male care of the young, and the like in ostriches (where male ostriches are still the flashy ones with drab females). Probably some mammals with reversals of the usual situation too, though I don't know mammals.

It makes sense, the female has to carry eggs or young for a while, she can't go making herself a target for predators.

I never figured secondary human sexual dimorphism as a result of sexual selection. Females get, how did Nabokov put it? Ah, can't remember (something about nymphets and illial crests), wide hips at any rate, because the underlying skeleton is wider, although fat does tend to deposit there too. Women have a higher percentage body fat than men, body fat in human probably being a neotenous feature that helps us adapt somehow. Cradle to the grave we keep our baby fat, from an ape's point of view anyway.

Back more or less on topic, I guess on of the greatest perks of being a woman would be a few more years, on average, to live. That's hard to put a price on.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Beerina

I think human females have evolved beyond merely being "chemically sexually attractive", and have thus evolved curvier figures, fuller breasts, bigger lips (shared with males), all much more than necessary for dumb animal sexual attraction.

*insert immature joke about plastic surgery here*

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by rebecca
Yeah? How do you know?



How come most guys cringe when I ask them to pick me up some tampons at the store? Oh, because they think it's gross. Periods are gross. Babies are gross. Blood, placentas, and vomit are gross. Yeast infections and pickle ice cream cravings are gross. Sure, we higher beings get over it, but I am pretty sure that if all the men in the world were suddenly to get pregnant, at least a few would use the term "gross" to describe the process, even if they followed it up with "beautiful thing of nature." Because that's what are bodies are: a disgusting, nasty, horrifying, gross, beautiful thing of nature.
This explains why they drive me mad at both ends.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by Beerina
Smaller in general means they can take greater G's without passing out. I don't think it has to do with higher blood pressure per se (if anything, women average lower bp, I'd guess.) Imagine the G's a mouse could take. Plot the curve, and women are between the mouse and the man.





Males are the dandies in basically all species of animal, whether they are smaller or larger. It just doesn't seem that way to humans because 1. women artificially dandy themselves, 2. Men generally don't, and 3. from the (average) male viewpoint, of course women are the pretty ones.


Still, we have our "manes". Stop shaving for a few weeks if you don't believe me. We are physically larger and stronger. An alien race would, couch potatoes aside, see the male as the "pretty" half of the species, with the female the plain one.

Imagine female guppies or peacocks (peahens) putting on makeup to make themselves flashy, and the males covering up their flashiness, plucking their magnificent tail feathers "shaving", etc. etc. etc.

Oh, we're such a screwed up species. :(
this may have something to do with the level of civilization, with brain power, not tails,as the show-off thing, you can not decorate your thoughts with banners, the focus change.But women have sothing like curves to advertise.

[Suezoled]

...I rather don't mind being a girl.

I remember on the ancient Phil Donahue show, they had some transexuals, including one female-to-male. This person had had a baby, and stated, rather angrily, that she/he found the experience "gross".

At that point, I knew this wasn't a "man in a woman's body", but somebody screwed up psychologically. Men wouldn't find the experience "gross".

Please. Being female does not default me for thinking a fetus kicking around inside is a lovely thing.

[jan]

Especially if it hits your bladder, I guess.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by Suezoled
...I rather don't mind being a girl.



Please. Being female does not default me for thinking a fetus kicking around inside is a lovely thing.
raising a baby can be a heart breaking sentence.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
raising a baby can be a heart breaking sentence.


Especially if you drop it.

[bignickel]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
raising a baby can be a heart breaking sentence.

If my mom's visits to chiropractor's offices back in the 70s is any indication, then raising a baby is a back breaking sentence.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
raising a baby can be a heart breaking sentence.
How do hearts break sentences? :p

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by bignickel
If my mom's visits to chiropractor's offices back in the 70s is any indication, then raising a baby is a back breaking sentence.
Similarly, how do backs break sentences? :p

[Patrick]

How come most guys cringe when I ask them to pick me up some tampons at the store?

Ewwwwwwwww!!! Gross! Get away from me! Ewwwwwwww!!

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Patrick
[B]How come most guys cringe when I ask them to pick me up some tampons at the store?
Do you object to buying condoms as well?

[rebecca]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Do you object to buying condoms as well?

(You're referring to a quote from me, not Patrick, so I'll assume you're talking to me.)

Of course not. In fact, I'm quite proud to walk into a store and buy a giant box of condoms. Is there a reason I should be ashamed for having safe sex? In the same vein, I shouldn't be ashamed for buying tampons to take care of a natural occurrence. I think it's hilarious when I buy tampons and the clerk triple bags it, like I don't want strangers on the street to know that I menstruate every now and again.

A few months ago I was at the local convenience store buying tampons, aspirin, and a pint of Ben & Jerry's. The clerk said, "Hi, how's it going?" I said, "How do you think it's going?" He thought it was funny. Now that's a real man, who can laugh at a period joke.

[Darat]

Originally posted by rebecca
....snip..., like I don't want strangers on the street to know that I menstruate every now and again.

...snip...

I think you need to see a gynaecologist - it’s meant to be roughly monthly - not just every now and again. :)

(Edited for misplaced a.)

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by rebecca
(You're referring to a quote from me, not Patrick, so I'll assume you're talking to me.)
Yes, I am, but Patrick didn't use the Quote function.
As to period jokes, I don't like them. Full stop. :D

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by rebecca
Now that's a real man, who can laugh at a period joke.
I find it hard to laugh at something which interfere with my hobby.

[Ribbitalu]

Hi everybody!

I am always entertained by my husband's mortified facial expression in response when I proudly say (in mixed company), that I am really a "gay man trapped inside a woman's body".
Probably because he's thinking nasty thoughts, and I'm speaking figuratively.

Anyway, thanks to the big ol' range and overlap of supposedly gender-specific characteristics, I can open any jar and multitask! But I can't squish bugs....;)

[rebecca]

Originally posted by Darat
I think you need to see a gynaecologist - it’s meant to be roughly monthly - not just every now and again. :)


Huh, you learn something new every day! :D


Originally posted by yinyinwang
I find it hard to laugh at something which interfere with my hobby.


If you really enjoy your hobby, you won't let a little nature get in the way.

[rebecca]

Originally posted by cancerwoman
Hi everybody!

I am always entertained by my husband's mortified facial expression in response when I proudly say (in mixed company), that I am really a "gay man trapped inside a woman's body".
Probably because he's thinking nasty thoughts, and I'm speaking figuratively.

Anyway, thanks to the big ol' range and overlap of supposedly gender-specific characteristics, I can open any jar and multitask! But I can't squish bugs....;)

Welcome to the forum, cancerwoman.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by rebecca
If you really enjoy your hobby, you won't let a little nature get in the way.
Nature is my boss, I can't do much about it.

[Sloe_Bohemian]

Originally posted by The Cats Venm
The only way this question makes any sense is if ones brain was transplanted into another (female) body without killing it.

.

You've been reading Heinlein? "I Will Fear No Evil" is the story of a rich old tycoon who has his mind transplanted into a gorgeous woman's body and quickly becomes an airhead bimbo.

I had been reading some Heinlein (circa age 12-14) and something about his stories was really bothering me. When I read this one, it hit me... what a pig! Even a hormone controlled child of my limited experience (a couple decades ago) knew more about women than that putz!

On the other hand... all good skeptics should read "JOB:A Comedy of Justice"... it is a wonderful romp with the concept of God. Or at least that's the way I remember it today... been a long while since I read it.

[Kimpatsu]

I read a lot of Heinlein as a teenager, and think I prefer "I Will Fear..." to "Job". Heinlein's treatment of women was basically to portray them as sex-mad sluts. You gotta wonder what issues the guy had.

[Sloe_Bohemian]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon


I'd long toyed with the idea of parthenogenesis in humans. Asexual reproduction is rare in "higher" orders of animals, but not unknown. Parthenogenesis actually occurs in whiptail lizards and even certain breeds of turkeys. In the case of the turkeys, the females are heterozygous as far as sex chromosomes go, so the females can actually clone male versions of themselves!

Of course, in humans as all mammals, the females are homozygous, so parthenogenic women would herald an age of genetically unstable, but male-less humans, just like whiptail lizards.

Perhaps one day I'll have both of my X chromosomes extracted and tacked together, grown in a test tube and raised for eighteen years so I can unleash my female self (the closest approximation, actually) upon the world. Perhaps I could even drop those turkey parthenogenesis genes into her, so that the world would be populated with female clones of myself...

At the very least, I'll have someone to discuss Nabokov with.

In this last year, they've discovered parthogenetic sharks. In the Omaha aqarium and in a private aqarium in... Michigan or Illinois, I believe. Not mammals, but much larger and complex organism than most other parthogenons. *Yes, I'm making up words.* After Omaha announced their discovery, the caretaker at the other aquarium wondered what would happen if he stopped vaccuuming out those old "infertile" eggs that the tank of 'female only' sharks occasionally laid. 6 years with no contact of any kind other than with each other and the caretakers... and sure enough, their eggs produced live, completely normal sharks.

Of course, there's plenty of folks who claim there was a parthenogenetic little jewish girl from Nazareth. Maybe the angel of God came down and just shared some shark DNA with Mary to create Jeebus? Oo-oo-oo... scary. Shark Jeebus!

[neutrino_cannon]

Welcome ad forum cancerwoman!

Thanks Sloe_Bohemian, do you have any references for the sharks? I'm curious, parthenogenesis is fascinating to me, although I suppose it could someday be used to rid the world of my smelly, violent, beer consuming gender.:)

I'd never made the connection to Xianity though, that's a good one I'll have to remember. Perhaps the purutant views on sex some parts of the Bible espouse are intended to encourage asexual reproduction?

How exactly would technologically unassisted parthenogenesis work in humans anyway? Our females don't exactly lay unfertilized eggs...

Wait a second, yes they do. It's just not called that, and in some cultures they make them go off in a tent somewhere 'cause the men get giddy at the sight of blood. Ritually unclean, right next to the mildew regulations in Leviticus.

So once the unfertilized egg has passed out of the woman's body, it's gonna need nutrients right? She could lay it on the carcass of a large animal, kinda like flies do, and in nine months, presto! A human baby, living off of the cow's carcass!


*ouch*, my brain!

[jan]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
How exactly would technologically unassisted parthenogenesis work in humans anyway? Our females don't exactly lay unfertilized eggs...

Why not simply this way?: they produce an ovum with double instead of single chromosomes, skip the part with the sperm, and everything else as usual?

[wipeout]

A pathenogenically reproducing shark only makes headlines because of its rarity, you know. Viruses and bacteria find a genetic sitting-duck to be a very easy target indeed... ;)

It's only taken a very short time for humans cloning bananas to make the most common kind extinct some decades ago, and the most common kind now is under threat as well.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by wipeout
A pathenogenically reproducing shark only makes headlines because of its rarity, you know. Viruses and bacteria find a genetic sitting-duck to be a very easy target indeed... ;)

It's only taken a very short time for humans cloning bananas to make the most common kind extinct some decades ago, and the most common kind now is under threat as well.
What if something goes wrong in the process and a monster produced?

[wipeout]

That should be "parthenogenically" in my post above.

[wipeout]

Originally posted by yinyinwang
What if something goes wrong in the process and a monster produced?

Depends which process you mean as I think they can all go wrong.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by jan
Why not simply this way?: they produce an ovum with double instead of single chromosomes, skip the part with the sperm, and everything else as usual?

Oh yeah, and do it the obvious and simple way. Methinks that's how turkeys pull it off.

Asexualy reproducing lineages that derive from seuxual ones tend to go extinct quickly, yes, but there are a few long lived ones which to me suggests that it is possible to stay resistant to disease without mixing up the genes.

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by wipeout
Depends which process you mean as I think they can all go wrong.
the natural process has been going on for so long, but the mixing by human tubes is new.

[Eleatic Stranger]

Hm, I thought the natural process was the one that involved human tubes?

[yinyinwang]

Originally posted by Eleatic Stranger
Hm, I thought the natural process was the one that involved human tubes?
sure, so is the clone. But also glass tube in the latter.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno


Yoko Kanno kicks ASS