Another gun ban in California.

[Ranb]

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/ab_50_bill_20040825_enrolled.html

The CA gov just signed AB50 into law. This adds 50 bmg rifles to the list of assault rifles and subjects them to the same controls. This is another example of gun-owner hate politics in action.

It is extremely rare for a 50 bmg rifle to be used in violent crime. No violent crime has ever been commited in CA using a 50 bmg rifle. Even extremist groups like the Brady Campaign and the VPC only list a few violent crimes and no murders commited using the 50 bmg in the USA. Correct me if I am wrong.

Ranb

[a_unique_person]

Time to terminate the governator?

[Ranb]

I am not a CA resident, so I really cannot do much about the ban other than write to express my displeasure. It just makes me sad to think there is another oppressive law on the books in this country; another victimless crime to run afoul of.

Ranb

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Ranb
I am not a CA resident, so I really cannot do much about the ban other than write to express my displeasure. It just makes me sad to think there is another oppressive law on the books in this country; another victimless crime to run afoul of.

Ranb

Yeah, like owning Hellfire missiles. How many crimes do you see committed by people with one of those?

[WildCat]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Yeah, like owning Hellfire missiles. How many crimes do you see committed by people with one of those?
When were they available to the public?

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Ranb
It is extremely rare for a 50 bmg rifle to be used in violent crime. No violent crime has ever been commited in CA using a 50 bmg rifle. Even extremist groups like the Brady Campaign and the VPC only list a few violent crimes and no murders commited using the 50 bmg in the USA. Correct me if I am wrong.

Ranb
Linking the ownership of guns to voilent crime, I presume from your post that you are in favour of banning guns used in violent crimes, but legalising others. You don't need to correct me if I am wrong.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by WildCat
When were they available to the public?

You mean they aren't? What sort of militia's do you have over there?

[Ranb]

Originally posted by Lothian
Linking the ownership of guns to voilent crime, I presume from your post that you are in favour of banning guns used in violent crimes, but legalising others. You don't need to correct me if I am wrong.

You are not wrong, but I do have a clarification.

If certain weapons are used to commit many crimes, then passing laws to keep them out of criminal hands is the right thing to do. Passing laws that make victims out of otherwise law abiding gun owners is unacceptable in my opinion.

The point I was trying to make is gun grabbers lie and demonize guns to ban them.

Mr. Manifesto, why would you compare a small arm like a 50 BMG rifle to a missile? None of these missiles are privately owned in the USA. Nobody likes an a--hole. :)

Ranb

[Richard G]

More feel good, emotion based, BS based laws. There has NEVER been a crime commited with a .50 cal rifle, in the entire history of the USA. But gun control is never about the facts.

(I fled the communist state of Kalifornia many years ago).

[Jon_in_london]

wtf is a 50 BMG?

[Ed]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
wtf is a 50 BMG?

The largest caliber (.50) below what is commonly classed as a cannon. BMG=Browing Machine Gun and refers to the original manufacturer of the cartridge.

It was famously used in the film "Navy Seals" by a sniper. The cartridge costs a couple of bucks per here in CT. The weapon that uses it is like carrying around a very heavy pair of skis.

Hardly a weapon of abuse.

[SRW]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
wtf is a 50 BMG?


Really good for hunting engine blocks and making squirrels disappear, kills, skins, cleans, and buries with one shot.

[Bikewer]

Not exactly a choice for your average bank-robber. Very large, very heavy, and most varieties are single-shot as well.

As I recall, the ATF suspected Mr. Koresh of having several of these in the "compound", news of which caused the agents to fall back to a considerable distance, and to deploy armored vehicles. To my knowledge, none were discovered.

Similar cries were made over the introduction of the .50 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. This is a large, heavy, expensive revolver chambered for the new .50 caliber handgun round.

http://popularmechanics.com/outdoors/firearms/2003/9/top_gun/print.phtml

A number of politicians made some very silly statements about "upping the violence level in our society!"

This thing would be quite a load, stuck into the already-falling-off trousers of your average gang member.

[SRW]

BERLIN (Reuters) - A 62-year-old German carrying a firearm and an anti-tank mine threatened a receptionist at a court in Berlin Tuesday because he was angry at one of its rulings, police said.

I bet because the this some one will ban anti-tank mines also.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=3&u=/nm/20040914/od_nm/odd_germany_court_dc

[crimresearch]

I believe that it was a certain Representative Waxman who explained quite succinctly *who* the 50cal bans are supposed to protect:

"Why one of those things could shoot right THROUGH a limousine!!"

[jj]

Originally posted by Ranb
If certain weapons are used to commit many crimes, then passing laws to keep them out of criminal hands is the right thing to do.

Please explain to me how a law will affect a career criminal's behavior in any substantial fashion.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by jj
Please explain to me how a law will affect a career criminal's behavior in any substantial fashion.

Here we come to the crux of the matter- with certain restrictions such as background checks etc... you make it somewhat harder for any criminal to obtain a firearm. The alternative is to just let any old sod pick up a firearm from the local 24-hour booze store at 3am and I dont think anyone realistically wants that.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by jj
Please explain to me how a law will affect a career criminal's behavior in any substantial fashion.

Once convicted of breaking that law, the career criminal will have to spend time in prison and thus have reduced scope for committing his crimes.

[Ed]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Once convicted of breaking that law, the career criminal will have to spend time in prison and thus have reduced scope for committing his crimes.

Oh please. Gun transgressions get plea bargined down (which is one of the problems) to get a guilty on the crime they committed with the banned weapon.

Anyhoo, how many arrests under this law have there been?

[crimresearch]

Florida made a big deal out their 'tough on gun crimes' laws, bringing in Chuck Norris for a series of commercials about the 10-20-Life 'No plea bargains, no deals' sentences.

After a short while a well known, and well connected individual became one of the early 20 year convictions under that statute...they never served a day.

[Ed]

Originally posted by crimresearch
Florida made a big deal out their 'tough on gun crimes' laws, bringing in Chuck Norris for a series of commercials about the 10-20-Life 'No plea bargains, no deals' sentences.

After a short while a well known, and well connected individual became one of the early 20 year convictions under that statute...they never served a day.

I think that everybody is armed. Really. I would go to tony parties here and all the guys had guns. They'd never scream and yell about it, but they had guns.

What we need are consistant firearms laws. Something that guarentees the right in unambiguous language with reasonable limits.

The story of the "assault weapon" ban is a sad story of how our legislative process is coopted. The lack of any discernable anything as a result of that ban is elequent testamony to the gullibility of the american population.

[Ranb]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
wtf is a 50 BMG?

You are behaving rather "trollish". Didn't you ask this question here, http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?threadid=37247&highlight=ranb and get it answered a while back?

Ranb

[elgarak]

Originally posted by SRW
[B]BERLIN (Reuters) - A 62-year-old German carrying a firearm and an anti-tank mine threatened a receptionist at a court in Berlin Tuesday because he was angry at one of its rulings, police said.
The mine is banned in Germany, the availability of the firearm heavily restricted. Obviously a weapons control law doesn't help to prevent the crime.

[merphie]

It seems to me that things get really bad when they start banning all hunting sports.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/15/fox.protest/index.html

[peptoabysmal]

The California legislature is the most omniferous pointless liberal law producer in the world. The first ban on "assault weapons" started here and then Clinton made it Federal.

The Gov. had two choices, sign the bill or veto it. Can you imagine the political fallout if the "Terminator" vetoed the bill? I think The Swartz has his eye on the presidency...

To actually use a .50 sniper rifle efficiently requires a level of skill that most criminals lack. But if it help the libs sleep better at night, so be it. We have much more pernicious laws up for consideration in California to worry about right now.

If I want a firearm, I usually just hop over the border to Nevada anyway. Screw buying something like that in this state.

[merphie]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
The California legislature is the most omniferous pointless liberal law producer in the world. The first ban on "assault weapons" started here and then Clinton made it Federal.

The Gov. had two choices, sign the bill or veto it. Can you imagine the political fallout if the "Terminator" vetoed the bill? I think The Swartz has his eye on the presidency...

To actually use a .50 sniper rifle efficiently requires a level of skill that most criminals lack. But if it help the libs sleep better at night, so be it. We have much more pernicious laws up for consideration in California to worry about right now.

If I want a firearm, I usually just hop over the border to Nevada anyway. Screw buying something like that in this state.

Yeah, but it shouldn't be that way.

[crimresearch]

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Originally posted by Jon_in_london
wtf is a 50 BMG?
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Originally posted by Ranb
You are behaving rather "trollish". Didn't you ask this question here, http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?threadid=37247&highlight=ranb and get it answered a while back?

Ranb