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Oleron
17th September 2004, 12:37 AM
I watched a show on TV last night which expounded the theory that the Titanic was switched for its sister ship, the Olympic, as part of an insurance swindle.

The theory is a bit vague and I missed the start of the show but from what I could gather it seems to centre around the fact that Olympic was damaged and in need of expensive repair, so the idea came up to rebadge her as Titanic and scuttle her on her 'maiden voyage'. Thus collecting bags of insurance cash instead of having to pay for refitting.

The evidence seems to be based on several slightly odd occurences before the Titanic set sail for Southampton.
The owner cancelled his ticket for the maiden voyage, claiming illness. He was really in the South of France with his mistress.
The boiler house crew all resigned when the Titanic reached Southampton, claiming that the boilers were old and dangerous.
The evidence of a Belfast blow-hard called Paddy the Pig, who started the rumour that the 2 ships were switched.
The superficial similarity of the 2 ships, near identical.
The 'Californian' cargo ship that left New York with no cargo, sailed to the mid Atlantic and stopped. The theorists claim it was arranged to rendezvous with the Titanic and rescue the passengers when the ship was scuttled.

The plan went astray, say the conspiracists, when the Titanic hit an iceberg, just out of sight of the 'Californian'.

This evidence seems very weak to me but it hasn't stopped several books being written on the subject.

The theory fell apart completely for me when they showed the lead conspiracist a piece of hull plating salvaged from the Titanic debris field. It had 2 large portholes and 2 small portholes in sequence. When the Titanic design schematics were examined the plate was identified conclusively. When the Olympic plans were examined there was no plate that had the portholes in this order.
The nut actually explained this by saying that if the ships were switched the conspirators would have made sure the portholes were re-drilled to make Olympic look like Titanic!

Then theres the small point that 15000 Belfast workers were employed on the Titanic. Did none of them notice the switch?!

Shot down in flames. This theory would be laughable if it didn't involve the death of 1500 people.

The program served a useful purpose for me though. It showed the lengths to which some crazies will go to protect their pet theories.

Zep
17th September 2004, 12:40 AM
I was waiting for the bit where the UFO's came swooping in and took it up to the mother-ship from the Bermuda Triangle.

But that didn't happen. Damn.

:D

Ove
19th September 2004, 11:38 PM
Which TV channel showed such crap?

Oleron
20th September 2004, 12:01 AM
It was Sky One. They are doing a series at the moment on conspiracy theories.

Nyarlathotep
20th September 2004, 08:02 AM
Here is something interesting (http://www.titanichistoricalsociety.org/articles/myths.asp) I found about how the story got started. It seems that when the Titanic sank, a lot of newspapers used pictures of the Olympic in stead of the Titanic so there are still a lot of photos floating around to this day of the Olympic lablelled as the Titanic, thus the "similarities"

The Central Scrutinizer
20th September 2004, 06:45 PM
OK. So if they made the switch, then where is the Titanic?

It amazes me that the woo-woo's who make shows like this never ask the obvious questions.

American
20th September 2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
OK. So if they made the switch, then where is the Titanic?

Some guy's Titanic sunk into you, I bet. That's where.

Ove
21st September 2004, 02:02 AM
It was Sky One. They are doing a series at the moment on conspiracy theories.

THAT explains a lot.;)

MRC_Hans
21st September 2004, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
OK. So if they made the switch, then where is the Titanic?

It amazes me that the woo-woo's who make shows like this never ask the obvious questions. Duh! It sailed on as the Olympic, of course. The Olympic stayed in service for many years after the Titanic disaster.

Hans :rolleyes:

Ove
21st September 2004, 10:31 PM
Intil 1935 actually, where she was scrapped: RMS Olympic (http://www.greatships.net/olympic.html)
The story would have been a bit more (not a lot but a bit;) ) plausible if they had choosen RMS Britannic (http://www.greatships.net/britannic2.html) as the one that was "svopped" since she sank in 1916 under somewhat mysterious circumstances, not the sinking, she hit a mine, but the fact that she sank VERY quickly. Some sources say that a lot of the portholes had been left open, she was sailing as a hospital ship and was on her way to pick up more patients, but still she sank VERY quickly.

Benguin
24th September 2004, 03:52 AM
The boiler house crew all resigned when the Titanic reached Southampton, claiming that the boilers were old and dangerous.

I'll have to check a couple of sources, but I understood that a large number of the more manual crew went on strike over pay (or something) and replacements (including one of my ancestors) were drafted in from other ships in harbour in Southampton.

Two other sailings were cancelled because of the crew shortage.

TillEulenspiegel
24th September 2004, 10:50 AM
The Titanic didn't sink, apparently

No It didn't , this is very sensitive information and a long held family secret.
It settled in New Jersey and married the Lusitania where it had 2 children ( surely You've heard of Hatteras and Feadship? ) and 1 still berth. She is surviving on SS and spends her time watching soap operas. Her bottom is very rusty and I don't think it will long before She goes to the great salvage yard in the sky.

Jon_in_london
27th September 2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Ove
Some sources say that a lot of the portholes had been left open, she was sailing as a hospital ship and was on her way to pick up more patients, but still she sank VERY quickly.

She was swallowed up my an Unidentified Underwater Object from mars.

Ove
28th September 2004, 03:44 AM
She was swallowed up my an Unidentified Underwater Object from mars.
Who no doubt took it along to Atlantis,-;) No why didn't i think of that...:D

BPSCG
28th September 2004, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Oleron
It was Sky One. They are doing a series at the moment on conspiracy theories. From your OP, it sounds to me like it's truly a skeptical series, as opposed to the standard garbage that professes to be skeptical and then spends 45 minutes justifying a paranormal phenomenon and then gives a skeptic five minutes (or less) to rebut.

Is that an accurate appraisal?

Oleron
29th September 2004, 01:12 AM
As for it being a 'skeptical' series, well I'm not sure. It's certainly more critical than most of the stuff on Sky and a fair amount of time was given to the counter-argument.
I noticed the next show in the series was about the supposed 'Illuminati' who secretly run the world. I haven't seen it yet so I will reserve judgement. They are also doing the 'Bible code'.

They seem to be choosing some 'out there' kind of conspiracies - all they need now is a program on chemtrails!

alfaniner
29th September 2004, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Oleron
...They seem to be choosing some 'out there' kind of conspiracies - all they need now is a program on chemtrails!

...or maybe entrails...

richardm
1st October 2004, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by Oleron
As for it being a 'skeptical' series, well I'm not sure. It's certainly more critical than most of the stuff on Sky and a fair amount of time was given to the counter-argument.

Hmm, I'm not so sure. I didn't see the Titanic one, but I did watch the moon landings one. They trotted out all the usual suspects, giving all the usual plausible-sounding "evidence". But rather than rebut the evidence, they had a series of talking heads from NASA et all saying "Of course we went to the moon. It's ridiculous to even argue about it". I'd have liked to have seen each point addressed in turn.

Anyway. Titanic fans can still visit the Olympic's First Class Smoking Lounge; it's in the Black Swan in Alnwick. Quite nice it is too.

DrMatt
13th October 2004, 09:04 AM
The Titanic went to the moon.

NickW
5th November 2004, 06:35 PM
Conspiracy theory at its greatest. Too bad this enlighting information didn't come out before production of the movie, would have saved me from being forced to watch the tearjerker....