British Psychic in Kansas

[DinoJ]

Hi all, I live in Wchita, KS and this was in my morning paper on the front page today.

BTK and Psychic (http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/9786873.htm)

I haven't done any research on the psychic or the production company yet, was hoping someone could give me some information on the psychic and his claim of being 100% accurate on his predictions of the case in England ( strange how he didn't claim to solve the case he was just 100% accurate).

What an awesome prediction he has also, the BTK serial killer who claims to have killed last in 1989, is an ordinary ordinary guy who could be living next door to you and you wouldn't know it. Wow that is just an excellent show of paranormal abilities. I would have thought after this amount of time he would be giving signals off each day to his neighbors and co-workers that he was a retired serial killer and they should just ask him about it.

I won't go into the whole BTK thing if you want to know more about it just do a search on the Wichita Eagle website to learn more.

Again any facts or information I can use for a reply to the writer of this story will be appreciated.



Thanks,
DinoJ

[thaiboxerken]

Wouldn't it be ironic if the BTK guy made the psychic his next victim?

Then again, the believers would say that BTK got him because BTK knows that psychics are real.

It wouldn't enter into their minds that the psychic should've seen it coming.

[BillC]

He's lying about having assisted in the Soham murder inquiry by providing a series of clues to the police. The bodies of Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells were found 13 days after their disappearance by a game warden walking through the woods.

Ian Huntley had come under early suspicion as he was known to have been one of the last people to have seen the girls alive. He also asked "too many questions" from the police and seemed to know more about the case that he had let on. Once the bodies were found, forensic evidence linked them to his house and his car.

There is no report in any official publication suggesting the police received supernatural assistance in solving the case.

His appearance at this BTK case in Kansas looks like yet another 'psychic' feeding off a tragedy.

[Ashles]

I am really, really furious about this piece of sh*t!

The Soham murders had blanket media coverage in England for a couple of months. It was a tragedy that sickened everyone in the country. Now this b*stard starts claiming some credit for the work done in capturing Ian Huntley?

I have seen some claims from links on this website but this one sickens me. I shall be writing to your morning paper myself.
I ask others to do the same - we have all seen some bogus claims around here but this man is disgusting.

Here is another case this sick man is meddling in (http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/lewgreennews/display.var.477991.0.psychic_to_help_in_killer_hun t.php)
Note is dated april this year
As is this article:
Same case, different report (http://www.hounslowguardian.co.uk/mayor/other/display.var.479432.0.0.php)

The same case four months later (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0500lewisham/tm_objectid=14565778&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=park-opens-to-elliott-s-memory-name_page.html)
Sadly unsolved as of August

Can anyone please explain to me why this failure to help is not reported with the same fanfare as his eagerness to get involved?

I am seriously out to expose this fraud. Anyone fancies sending some e-mails, please do.

[Ashles]

Just for reference, here is the e-mail I have sent to the Editors of the Wichita Eagle:

I am absolutely sickened by your story about the British 'clairvoyant' (Wed Sep 29, 2004). As someone who grew up in Cambridge, England, and whose parents still live there and delivered flowers to the graves of these two girls, it cheapens the tragedy to give any credit to this fraudulent man Dennis McKenzie.
He IN NO WAY gave the police any help or assistance in detecting the bodies, the murder or the nature of the crime (which, by the way, is still not fully understood). He IN NO WAY helped in the investigation and subsequent prosecution of Ian Huntley. Your article contains badly misleading lies.
Perhaps you might like to examine Mr McKenzie's latest 'assistance' to grieving parents of children who have been killed:
http://www.hounslowguardian.co.uk/mayor/other/display.var.479432.0.0.php
or
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/lewgreennews/display.var.477991.0.psychic_to_help_in_killer_hun t.php
Both articles from April this year.
Current case situation:
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0500lewisham/tm_objectid=14565778&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=park-opens-to-elliott-s-memory-name_page.html
Case unsolved. Dennis no longer mentioned.

Please check out these links. Yet another family has been hindered in their grieving by a useless and perhaps, sickeningly cynical, charlatan.
Please do not encourage this type of person any more.

[Operaider]

See, this is why everyone thinks that people that live in Kansas are ignorant hillbillies. As someone who lives here I hate the fact that it's out mental incompetents that get all the publicity. I wonder if the Pitch would have reported this BS. They seem to look at such things with a very skeptical eye.

Example of Kansas idiots in action:
Reverend Fred Phelps (http://www.hatemongers.com/home.html)

[DinoJ]

Since it's mainly flat, wouldn't we be ignorant plainsbillies?

Here is my e-mail I sent to the paper:

One quick and simple question, Did you invetsigate Dennis McKenzie's claim of assisting in the solving of the murders in Soham? You know some simple investigative reporting work, like calling the police there and asking them.

If the answer is yes, why did you not mention that an authority from that department confirmed the story?

Obviously the answer is no or you would have put that in the story.
Does this seem to ring a bell, reporter anxious for a story that will grab attention goes with a story without investigating veracity of claims and just takes someone's word that it is true as proof. I am sure Dan Rather would be proud.

If the answer is yes however please give me the name and affiliation with the Soham police department and how I can contact them myself. If not please prepare some type of retraction or follow-up clarification to your article. I realize everyone would love to have the BTK case behind us but self-proclaimed psychics feeding off of the fears and anxieties of a community are not the answer and should be scrutinized to the fullest.

If you would have interviewed me and asked me what I thought the BTK killer was like today, I could have told you that he was an ordinary guy living next door to someone who didn't even know it. Hardly a paranormal ability if the person last killed in 1989.

Thx, DinoJ


Wow and on the Phelps issue:not part of my e-mail
I used to live in Topeka and know Fred Phelps all too well. The good thing is no media in Topeka covers any of his crap. The man has 13 children and 11 of them are lawyers so the city just leaves him alone because of the amount of litigation he can bring is very costly to the city.

DinoJ

[Azrael 5]

Dennis Mackenzie is scum.Attention seeking scum atbthat.I saw him on a documentary about the Soham crimes where he supposedly contacted one of the girls.He gave the usual vague details:a river near by,a windmill(none found) a red car etc.Not once did he get the name Ian Huntley or caretaker;seeing as the two girls knew that information it would have been forthcoming.Instead the usual crap took its place.The guy is an attention seeking waster.:(

[Azrael 5]

Here's the email I sent.There's going to be one busy journo,later today:
I am contacting you from England regarding your article about the British clairvoyant.Please be assured this man is a fake.His claims to have solved a prominent murder case in the U.K(Soham)are bogus.He claimed to have got information via one of the dead girls,yet no name of the mcurderer was given nor his occupation.Once the case came to trial you realise the murderer was Ian Huntley,the caretaker of the dead girls school! The girls knew him well.
Please ask him to explain this,why instead did he get vague details such as "A river near by,a red car"etc.He is just an attention seeking jerk,with no evidence to suggest any of his information helped solve any crime.

Should help.;)

[Ashles]

Thanks for the extra e-mails. Sloppy journalism is a bad thing at the best of times, but when it encourages people to try and make money and/or fame out of other people's suffering whilst giving them false hope I really think the journalists need a wrist slapping.

Look at what he did in the other case I linked to:
This follows a meeting the psychic had with Elliott's parents, Miguel Forde, 35, and Nicci Stone, 36, who are both desperate to get justice.

Mr McKenzie said: "I've no doubt I've got some valuable information."

The reading came up with the startling possibility Elliott was knocked down by a car, not a white van as previously suggested by witnesses.

Mr Forde said: "We're very hopeful. Dennis explained that it was a car and not a van. He felt strongly the car was still around and not burnt out. He felt remnants were in a scrap yard."


So actual WITNESSES saw a van, but we are to ignore them because Dennis has 'sensed' it was a car? And how much police time was wasted by that I wonder?

Anyway, the case is still it exactly in the same situation it was in before Dennis' involvement. It is unsolved and they have no leads. So Dennis was completely and totally useless in any imaginable way, except that he distracted the investigation and meddled with the parents' grieving.

Why does Dennis meddle in these things? I don't know.
Oh by the way:
All attempts to trace the driver and vehicle have so far failed. This is despite a £55,000 reward, which includes a £30,000 pledge from Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson, £10,000 from the Crimestoppers' Trust and £15,000 from friends.
Again I just don't know why Dennis gets himself involved in these things. It's a mystery.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by Operaider
See, this is why everyone thinks that people that live in Kansas are ignorant hillbillies. As someone who lives here I hate the fact that it's out mental incompetents that get all the publicity. I wonder if the Pitch would have reported this BS. They seem to look at such things with a very skeptical eye.

Example of Kansas idiots in action:
Reverend Fred Phelps (http://www.hatemongers.com/home.html)

Isn't there a good chance of the creationist/ID crapola hitting the fan when your new-elected members of the Board of Education vote on standards early next year? Let me go see if I can dig up a link on the Panda's Thumb.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Kansas and the board of education (http://www.pandasthumb.org/pt-archives/week_2004_09_19.html)

[Azrael 5]

There is an article on this case in UK tabloid Sunday star today,and Dennis Mackenzies involvement.

[Timothy]

The Story
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BTK case lures British clairvoyant

BY HURST LAVIANA
The Wichita Eagle

"I felt he's either a maintenance man or a plumber, that kind of profession," McKenzie said of BTK. "And I'm almost certain that he works for himself.

"He is an ordinary, ordinary person. He would be just an ordinary, nice guy. At least he's a nice guy 95 percent of the time."

"This is no weirdo," he said. "This is an ordinary guy who has moments of madness. It could be your next-door neighbor, and you'd have no way of knowing it.

"He's just an ordinary man."



The Facts
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Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_Dennis Rader, the man now thought to be BTK, allegedly fooled police for decades. Now scores of Kansans are learning that he apparently fooled them as well.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_"It’s the biggest shock I’d ever had -- the nicest guy in the world. I’d have given him a key to watch my dog if I had to when I was leaving town," said Gary Van Dusen, neighbor.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_Rader was a churchgoer at Christ Lutheran Church in north Wichita. He was not just any member of the church, he was president of the Congregation Council.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_"It’s consistent with what we had thought all along, that it’s an individual who blends well into the community, was basically invisible to his neighbors and friends and coworkers because he was just an ordinary guy," said Arlyn Smith, former BTK investigator.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_Rader was a compliance officer in Park City. Residents knew him as a stickler for detail.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_"He’d harass you for your grass being six inches tall, or something like that," said one neighbor.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_But Rader also handled animal control. KSN News interviewed him about a story on animal attacks in Park City.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_Business reference books dating back to the 1970’s show Dennis Rader as an ADT security technician. That’s key, since police have often thought BTK gained access to homes as a utility employee.

Â_Â_Â_Â_Â_We also know that Rader has a long history with Wichita State University. That matches what police have thought all along about the BTK killer.

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So, for over two decades, police suspect BTK of being a utility employee, and McKenzie "predicts" it.

Police also suspect (from the fact that he so long eluded capture) him of blending in and being a nice guy, and McKenzie "predicts" that as well.

"And I'm alsmost certain he works for himself", a good guess, because it was the most probable ... in this McKenzie is 100% wrong.

Will people never see the charlatans?

- Timothy

[tonyyouens]

I've started looking at this after Kevin Wells, the father of Holly Wells, mentioned McJenzie in his new book 'Goodbye Dearest Holly'.

Kevin Wells seems pretty much convinced about McKenzie's powers and during his meeting with him (3 days after the children disappearance) McKenzie actually told him both children were already dead. I find this the most breathtakingly callous thing I've ever heard a medium say.

I had a look at the BTK murders and frankly McKenzie was pretty poor. His sketches were way off. I'd like to look into McKenzie's cases a bit more. Does anyone have anything regarding official statements confirming or denying police help? (USA or UK)

Any information would be of help.

Cheers,

Tony
www.tonyyouens.com (http://www.tonyyouens.com)

[Ashles]

Here's a little thread on it (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54059)

But for the definitive mother of all threads on the subject, including quotes from policemen and the police authorities then check out:

This thread - 'Police and Psychics' (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7420)

It takes some wading through, but there's lots of good stuff there.

[patnray]

Over several days in Wichita, the film crew took McKenzie to the scenes of BTK's crimes, hoping to glean some insight into the identity of the person who murdered eight Wichitans during the 1970s and 1980s.

The stops included 803 N. Edgemoor, where BTK murdered four members of the Joseph Otero family on Jan. 15, 1974.

"The worst one was the Oteros," McKenzie said. "It was kind of mind-blowing, the feelings that were there."
It is amazing how much information his escorts fed him during their time with him. Now, if it had been me escorting him, I would have taken him to three houses (two unrelated to the crime) and asked him to identify in which house the crime took place.

It is not surprising that, when taken to a house where a horrendous crime occured, and no doubt being briefed on the gory details, to experience "mind blowing" feelings. But I'd bet Randi's million that he couldn't identify the crime scene from several similar houses...

[juninho]

Originally posted by Ashles
Here's a little thread on it (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54059)

But for the definitive mother of all threads on the subject, including quotes from policemen and the police authorities then check out:

This thread - 'Police and Psychics' (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7420)

It takes some wading through, but there's lots of good stuff there.

I think you'll find that Tony was heavily involved in that thread in the first place.

However, it does remind me what a wonderful person Luci was on these forums.;)