Vegans rely on faith, kill their child

[Eos of the Eons]

Caleb died on March 29 last year from bronchopneumonia associated with anemia and brain damage caused by a deficiency of vitamin B12, found in animal foods including fish, milk and eggs.

Prosecutors said the couple were vegans who did not eat meat, fish or dairy products. They believed that their son could be treated with prayer, herbs and vegetables.


They are so ignorant that they don't understand what kind of vegan food you have to eat to get adequate nutrition.


Reminds me of that father that only allowed his wife to nurse his 8 month old, requiring her to only drink soy milk. The baby died as they prayed over him.

http://www.sweenytod.com/rno/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=136

Oh, and that chiro that had his kid on a soy milk diet as an infant. That baby died too. That made me really look into what chiros really are. I couldn't believe how he didn't know that was a bad idea.

ugh.

[Kiwi Kid]

Can someone explain to me the background to why these religions advocate a vegan diet? Seventh Day Adventists, no?
I always thought that God put beasts on Earth for man to eat. Boy, keeping up with religions is not easy.

Simon

[Eos of the Eons]

How did this get in the computer section????

do de do do

Was supposed to be in the religious section! Can somebody please move it?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Can somebody please move it? Yup.

[AWPrime]

Originally posted by Kiwi Kid
I always thought that God put beasts on Earth for man to eat.

That and he put man as well on earth for beast to eat. ;)

[phildonnia]

A word for aspiring vegans:

Vegemite.

High in B12 and Glutamates.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by AWPrime
That and he put man as well on earth for beast to eat. ;)

That's not true. In the Garden of Eden all the creatures even the dinosaurs were vegetarians. I read that somewhere.

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Kiwi Kid
Can someone explain to me the background to why these religions advocate a vegan diet?

A lot of vegetarian stuff is viewed in a quasi-religious way. I'm sure their Adventism "lunacy" didn't make them think herbs were effective. No, that's straight old vegetarian "lunacy".

[bignickel]

Jeez, this gets annoying running into this problem again and again on these threads:

The title says "VEGAN", not "VEGETARIAN" folks.

There is an important differance. If you don't know what it is, I suggest you google both.


That said, people who try to put their babies on vegan diets are as crazy as people who try to put their cats on vegetarian diets. Except crazier. There is a concept known as in financial circles as "due diligence", and 'getting your kid to the age of 18 alive' certainly comes under it.

Prison time and mandatory hysterectomy/vasectomy for those two, if I was Emperor of the World. Good thing for them that I'm not.

[MagicTony]

On a similar note, I had a college religion professor who openly discussed the fact that her "10 month old daughter is a vegetarian." Poor kid. This is not too suprising, though, because this lady studied Marian apparitions for her doctoral degree. While spending time with a Mexican family that experienced Marian apparitions, she believed every word they said. So much for an emprical doctoral dissertation.

Tony

:p

[Mercutio]

I had a friend when I was about 13, who fell off a tractor and died (apparently--you'll see). His parents, of course, put him in bed and prayed over him. His brother and sister continued to go to school, and didn't mention their brother's situation.

When the medical examiner got a chance to look at the body, the cause of death could not be determined, as the body had decomposed enough that some things could not be examined (at least this is what we were told, and what was in the paper. It could also have been a lazy M.E., I don't know.)

His parents now suffered doubly; they had lost their son, and they were thoroughly convinced that it was because their faith was insufficient. Had they been more devout, they thought, their son would still be alive.

I always thought that was particularly loathesome about healing through prayer--when it doesn't work, you blame the victims. Or the relatives of the victims. I always felt sorry for the parents in this situation.

I don't feel terribly sorry for the parents in the OP, though. Maybe it is small of me, but I hope they have the decency to feel guilty the rest of their lives.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by bignickel
Jeez, this gets annoying running into this problem again and again on these threads:

The title says "VEGAN", not "VEGETARIAN" folks.

There is an important differance. If you don't know what it is, I suggest you google both.

That maybe so. However, don't pull a Grenard here. If you know the difference, explain it. Don't merely point to Google (like Grenard did).
http://www.skepticreport.com/resources/smilies/nono.gif
;)

[Gestahl]

Man, these people are dumb for two reasons...

1) There is no vegetable or fruit that contains B12, period. Go look it up. You must take a multi-vitamin or fortified foods to get it. And guess where that B12 comes from.... meat! There is no way to be truly vegan and get all the necessary nutrients. You must at least eat some cheese or eggs.

I will say this again, because not many people realize the truth of this statement:

There is no way to be completely untainted by meat or meat by-products and still get vitamin B12. Period. Being a strict ideological Vegan is not possible. Vegans are stupid if they try to follow their ideology because of the fuzzy creatures... they still die to give you B12. Mostly processed animal liver.

2) Thinking they can solve the problem by any means other than giving the child vitamin supplements.

For the philosophical minded:

When is the parent's right to raise their child as they see fit no longer valid? The quick answer is when the child's health is in danger... but fat kids are never taken away from parents. Who could decide such a thing? I mean, there are obvious cases, but exactly where is this somewhat fuzzy line between OK and not OK?

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by Gestahl
Man, these people are dumb for two reasons...

1) There is no vegetable or fruit that contains B12, period. Go look it up.

I looked it up.

Tofu and yeast extracts contain some B12, although I am not a qualified nutritionist, and individuals should research carefully the amounts and reliability of these sources. Probably a good idea to take supplements and eat fortified cereal.

Pedantically speaking, I suppose these products could be considered to contain animal products in the form of bacteria??

[geni]

Originally posted by Gestahl
Man, these people are dumb for two reasons...

1) There is no vegetable or fruit that contains B12, period. Go look it up. You must take a multi-vitamin or fortified foods to get it. And guess where that B12 comes from.... meat! There is no way to be truly vegan and get all the necessary nutrients. You must at least eat some cheese or eggs.


Bacteria will do of course it helps if you extract the b12 first (UK Vegan Society recomeds using bacteria extracts for b12)

[geni]

Originally posted by phildonnia

Pedantically speaking, I suppose these products could be considered to contain animal products in the form of bacteria??

bacteria are further from animals than plants.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by geni
bacteria are further from animals than plants.

Baccy-hater! Your kind perpetuates cruelty to the living beings that are our friends, the bacteria!

Although, come to think of it, our bacteria friends have killed more human beings than the entire animal kingdom put together.

[bignickel]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
That maybe so. However, don't pull a Grenard here. If you know the difference, explain it. Don't merely point to Google (like Grenard did).

Vegetarian: I won't eat anything that requires the death of an animal (theoretically, placentas are OK) / Eww! Placentas are gross! I just don't eat meat.
Vegan: I won't eat ANYTHING that comes from or is derived from an animal. (how about those coffee beans that that S. American animal eats and then excretes, and then they make a coffee out of? I've never asked a vegan)
Vegetarian: What? No cheese on your pizza? No ice cream?
Vegan: None!
Vegetarian: You people suck.
Vegan: Animal Enslaver!
Vegetarian: Fanatic!
Omnivore: You both suck.
Vegan: Let's get him!
Vegetarian: He's throwing Skittles at us! Run away, run away!



* I overdid a rowing machine a few years back, and pulled a Grenard. I found it extremely difficult to stand up while going to the bathroom, in that you have to 'lean forward' a bit. I had to brace myself against the wall with one of my hands to accomplish said task. TMI?

[bignickel]

Originally posted by phildonnia

Tofu and yeast extracts contain some B12, although I am not a qualified nutritionist, and individuals should research carefully the amounts and reliability of these sources. Probably a good idea to take supplements and eat fortified cereal.

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm

A number of reliable vegan food sources for vitamin B12 are known. One brand of nutritional yeast, Red Star T-6635+, has been tested and shown to contain active vitamin B12. This brand of yeast is often labeled as Vegetarian Support Formula with or without T-6635+ in parentheses following this new name. It is a reliable source of vitamin B12. Nutritional yeast, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, is a food yeast, grown on a molasses solution, which comes as yellow flakes or powder. It has a cheesy taste. Nutritional yeast is different from brewer's yeast or torula yeast. It can often be used by those sensitive to other yeasts.

(What's an RD compared to an MD? Dunno. Hopefully not a homeopath...)

Also:
http://www.all-creatures.org/health/b12.html
How is the B12 in supplements obtained?

It is produced by bacterial culture and is acceptable to vegans.

[bignickel]

http://www.pamrotella.com/health/b12.html

All of the Vitamin B12 in the world ultimately comes from bacteria. Neither plants nor animals can synthesize it. But plants can be contaminated with B12 when they come in contact with soil bacteria that produce it. Animal foods are rich in B12 only because animals eat foods that are contaminated with it or because bacteria living in an animal's intestines make it.

THAT said, let's reiterate the first post in the thread: these 2 doofusses that this poor kid had to call parents didn't give the kid ANY suppliments for B12, even though they knew that it's a VITAMIN, and that they weren't giving the kid anything that had B12 in it.

They were relying on prayer to magically produce co-enzymes in the kid's body.

Here's your interesting philosophical question: at what point does religion become indistinguishable from a mental disease?

[Jon_in_london]

Do vegans wear leather? I know a vegetarian who does. Its funny to watch her squirm when she get all high'n'mighty and I just point to her shoes :D

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by bignickel
http://www.pamrotella.com/health/b12.html



THAT said, let's reiterate the first post in the thread: these 2 doofusses that this poor kid had to call parents didn't give the kid ANY suppliments for B12, even though they knew that it's a VITAMIN, and that they weren't giving the kid anything that had B12 in it.

They were relying on prayer to magically produce co-enzymes in the kid's body.

Here's your interesting philosophical question: at what point does religion become indistinguishable from a mental disease?

When you call your imaginary friend Jesus?

:cs:

[bignickel]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Do vegans wear leather? I know a vegetarian who does. Its funny to watch her squirm when she get all high'n'mighty and I just point to her shoes :D

Not exactly the right question. How about this: "Do vegans or vegetarians buy any products that require the death of an animal?"

The answer to that would be 'no.'

* I have a leather jacket, and I'm a vegetarian. How can I wear such a thing? Easy: I got it before I became a vegetarian. So: to all you omnivores out there thinking of cutting meat from your diet... buy a LOT of leather clothes before you do. Wallets, jackets, belts, etc. (NOT pants, as it's been proven that wearing leather pants takes 5 years off your life :) )

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by bignickel
Not exactly the right question. How about this: "Do vegans or vegetarians buy any products that require the death of an animal?"

The answer to that would be 'no.'

* I have a leather jacket, and I'm a vegetarian. How can I wear such a thing? Easy: I got it before I became a vegetarian. So: to all you omnivores out there thinking of cutting meat from your diet... buy a LOT of leather clothes before you do. Wallets, jackets, belts, etc. (NOT pants, as it's been proven that wearing leather pants takes 5 years off your life :) )

Thats like buying a massive freezer, filling it with meat, declaring "Im a vegetarian" and continuing to eat the meat out of the freezer!

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by bignickel
(NOT pants, as it's been proven that wearing leather pants takes 5 years off your life :) )

Shirley, you jest?

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Thats like buying a massive freezer, filling it with meat, declaring "Im a vegetarian" and continuing to eat the meat out of the freezer!

Excellent plan. I need now to make estimates of how much meat I will need to last for 40 years. Well 50, to be on the safe side. I don't want to be a vegetarian that's stuck eating only vegetables.

[Jon_in_london]

Another thing is that the harvesting of vegetables leads to the death of loads of furry creatures caught in the harvesters. Surely then a true vegetrian would have to grow and/or harvest their own food?

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Another thing is that the harvesting of vegetables leads to the death of loads of furry creatures caught in the harvesters. Surely then a true vegetrian would have to grow and/or harvest their own food?

The Great Maddox weighs in (http://maddox.xmission.com/grill.html)

[bignickel]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Another thing is that the harvesting of vegetables leads to the death of loads of furry creatures caught in the harvesters. Surely then a true vegetrian would have to grow and/or harvest their own food?

Ah, but then you're running into the old "One True Vegetarian" fallacy. :)

[Eos of the Eons]

It just bugs me to end that parents listen to loons that are allowed to recommend these diets as a way to be pious or whatever. Or when they listen to quacks and the kid gets malnourished.

I had a babysitter that was trying to get me to stop giving milk to my one year old and give her protein powder to drink instead. That's what she gave her child. I hear it's not good for the kidneys.

I think she was giving it to my daughter. My daughter starting getting allergies and really bad diaper rashes during the week when she went to the babysitter. She would start to clear up on the weekends.

Then I found out the babysitter was also antivaccine and everything else. I yanked my daughter out of there! She was sickly for 6 months until I did. She had a cold going into the place, but she never got better until she got completely out of the place.

I can't believe I let my own child get affected by idiocy, it angers me so much. I complained to the people that ran the dayhome, but they spewed the "choice" crap. I now pay $75 more per month to take her to a normal dayhome.

There ought to be some laws against denying children adequate nutrition. There ought to be some laws about lies in print about nutrition and health.. Freedom of speech my @ss, it's lies. There is a clear and distinct line between lies and truth.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
There is a clear and distinct line between lies and truth.

not necessarily. in this case, however, yes.

[Eos of the Eons]

It's a lie that just following the diet without ensuring proper nutrition will be better for your child.

Parents need education. They are just relying on blind faith. Who told them to go on this diet, yet neglected to make sure proper nutrition was taken in? The people that tell people to follow these diets need to be punished if they don't follow some rather simple guidelines.

They have no excuses if they are aware of what must be done to make sure everyone gets the information they need before being told to follow those diets.

A doctor would be punished if he told a person to put their child on some vegatarian diet without making sure he tells them how to make sure the child gets all the vitamins they need.

[Robin]

You know some of us just don't like the taste of meat.

And aren't there whole vegetarian cultures, such as in parts of India. If it is so bad for you why aren't they all dead?

[bignickel]

Let's not turn this into the usual veg vs omni threads. Since it not's about that.

It's about people who disregard the facts about what chemicals the human body needs, withhold those chemicals from their baby, and believe that the invisible pink unicorn will give the baby the chemicals.

They are guilty of dereliction of duty in the raising of their baby, and shouldn't be let near another one.

[Kiwi Kid]

Here's some legal comment about the Caleb case. Two other cases are also discussed. All three involve the unnecessary death of a child and all three piss me off intensely. The case of Liam was even more frustrating because a large proportion of the public here supported the parents' choice. Just shows that they didn't realise how useless the sCAM treatments are. The boy died less than two years later. I wonder what would what would happen today in the same circumstances? I would do my damndest to speak out and save a child's life.

Informed Consent and Paediatricians (New Zealand) (http://www.conferenz.co.nz/2004/library/b/bayly_jeannie.html)

I have a sneaking suspicion that the parents did have another child. I'll try and confirm that.

Simon.

[Kiwi Kid]

I was right. The "mother" was pregnant before the trial ever started! Here is a news article of the sentencing: Convicted mother pregnant (http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_detail/0,1227,108220-1-7,00.html)

I wonder if the social workers took the new baby into care. Hope so. :mad:

[Ove]

I wonder if the social workers took the new baby into care. Hope so.

They must, period.... :mad:

And then i agree with bignickel, they must sterilize both parents so that such moroons NEVER gets children again AND a put record in their papers that makes sure that they'll NEVER be allowed a job that has anything to do with children.

[BillHoyt]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
That's not true. In the Garden of Eden all the creatures even the dinosaurs were vegetarians. I read that somewhere.

Somebody gently break the news to Gastric ReFlux that Jack Chick is somewhat less than a reliable source.

[TragicMonkey]

Hmm. If the animals in Eden were all vegetarian, then how about the Venus flytrap? Did it eat other plants instead? How?

[c4ts]

Venis fliytrap is the creeation of SATUN!!! There was some EVILution goin' awn!!!

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by BillHoyt
Somebody gently break the news to Gastric ReFlux that Jack Chick is somewhat less than a reliable source.

Are you saying God's a liar? :rub:

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Are you saying God's a liar?

Of course not; he was just acting on bad intelligence.

[singlemalt]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Another thing is that the harvesting of vegetables leads to the death of loads of furry creatures caught in the harvesters. Surely then a true vegetrian would have to grow and/or harvest their own food?

I used to work in a food plant. Worst thing in the world to harvest is a skunk. Trust me.

[Gestahl]

Originally posted by bignickel
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
Also:
http://www.all-creatures.org/health/b12.html

G'ah!!

That is what I get from not reading all of the information from here: http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html

After they go through a whole rigamarole of how no plant foods can be a reliable nutritional source of B12:


Vegans are recommended to ensure their diet includes foods fortified with vitamin B12. A range of B12 fortified foods are available. These include yeast extracts, Vecon vegetable stock, veggieburger mixes, textured vegetable protein, soya milks, vegetable and sunflower margarines, and breakfast cereals.


They do not go into detail on the source of B12 for supplements. However, I have always been under the impression, and been told multiple times (from a nutritionist, oddly enough) that B12 was extracted from animal matter in order to fortify it (technically speaking, bacteria are neither plant nor animal). Perhaps he was working off older information when he told me this?

I stand entirely corrected, and futher educated.

[Z]

We're raising our kids as partial vegetarians. We eat fish, drink milk, eat eggs and cheese, but have replaced beef, pork, and poultry with soy products. We've increased the beans and nuts we eat, and supplement with vitamins. Our reasons for eliminating what we have deal more with the added hormones and chemicals in processed meats than anything else.

I worry about those who force a purely vegan lifestyle on kids for moral or ethical reasons.

[Robin]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
We're raising our kids as partial vegetarians. We eat fish, drink milk, eat eggs and cheese, but have replaced beef, pork, and poultry with soy products. We've increased the beans and nuts we eat, and supplement with vitamins. Our reasons for eliminating what we have deal more with the added hormones and chemicals in processed meats than anything else.

I worry about those who force a purely vegan lifestyle on kids for moral or ethical reasons.

I know a few people that bring up their kids as vegans (they are animal libbers) and the kids are fine - happy and healthy. They don't use any vitamin supplements but are careful about nutrition.

I think the point is that some people push vegans diets and don't realise that there are pitfalls with it. Ignorance, as usual, is the culprit.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
[B]We're raising our kids as partial vegetarians. We eat fish, drink milk, eat eggs and cheese, but have replaced beef, pork, and poultry with soy products. We've increased the beans and B]

As a note if you are concerned about hormones I dont know where you live but you c ould consider what we did was we purchased a cow from a farmer friend who raises it until "the day". The difference is signaficant. Our friend only gives them what they need for shots other than that they eat whats in the field and maybe a bit of grain.

As a result I really dont like meat from safeway or whatever any more.

[Z]

Well, KC, that's not a bad idea 1) if I had money for a cow and 2) if I didn't live in Inner City Cincinnati (lol!), oh and 3) if I had a freezer capable of holding two sides of beef. Sadly, our entire fridge can barely hold two pounds of beef, much less even a side.

But, in my case, vegetarianism was accidental. Since my wife and two of my kids cut out the red meat, pork, and dead birds, there wasn't much of it in the house; when, inevitably, I ordered steak fajitas a few months after we started this, I got sick off of them, and quickly discovered I had adjusted to living without the meat.

I don't miss it much any more - mainly, I miss SubWay BMTs and Taco Bell food. Otherwise, I get on pretty well on seafood.

[Kitty Chan]

True enough, I do go in with several friends on purchase etc . But you are correct with the hormones the guy that does the "final deed" (note I keep avoiding that subject;) ) anyway he says feed lots are ok but quality does suffer.

[Kiwi Kid]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Well, KC, that's not a bad idea 1) if I had money for a cow and 2) if I didn't live in Inner City Cincinnati (lol!), oh and 3) if I had a freezer capable of holding two sides of beef. Sadly, our entire fridge can barely hold two pounds of beef, much less even a side.We sometimes go shares in a beast with a few other families. It works out much cheaper than the supermarket or butcher. Usually better quality, too. We finally shelled out for a large freezer. I reckon it paid for itself in a year or so.

I don't miss it much any more - mainly, I miss SubWay BMTs and Taco Bell food. Otherwise, I get on pretty well on seafood. I couldn't do without my Subway. Pricey but oh so good. Man, don't torture yourself - sneak out for a Subway one night when the family aren't watching. ;)

[Z]

Oh I have... :D And it's getting easier to cover up the stomach ache afterwards... ooo...

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
...when, inevitably, I ordered steak fajitas a few months after we started this, I got sick off of them, and quickly discovered I had adjusted to living without the meat...

Strangely, I had the opposite experience: I once ate no animal products for about 2 weeks, following which a cheap hamburger from McD was just about the most delicious thing I ever tasted.

[Z]

Well, Phil, that's easy to understand - McBurgers have very little real meat in them! :D

[Jas]

I'm the total opposite. My freezer is full of meat. My dad & uncles hunt (I have, but really don't have the time anymore), so I always have a ready supply of elk, venison, and pheasant. Not to mention that he's a sports fisherman and lives in Mexico (yeah, nice life!), part of the year, so I have tons of salmon, halibut, lingcod, shark, tuna, mahi mahi, etc. On top of that, some friend of his owns a bison farm a couple hours north, and every year, my dad buys an entire bison from him (I don't even know how many hundreds of pounds of meat that is!).

However, I'm not a big fan of meat from the grocery store (mainly because I have to pay for it!), in large part due to how animals are treated on factory farms (and while most PETA videos are total crap, it's still pretty bad), and i don't trust that everyone who handled that meat on its way to the store fridge washed their hands after leaving the washroom.

[cajela]

On B12 again:
I believe it is pretty much only from animal sources, or at least, from not washing your mushrooms so you eat some of the manure. (I like this article: http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/newsID.760/healthissue_detail.asp ) Now people take supplements - the yeasts are fortified, too.

B12 is made by bacteria. so I would hazard a guess that the manufacturing process for supplements involves Evil Genetic Modification of innocent bacteria to produce extra chemicals.... but I can't say for sure. It's not easy to find information on this level.

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by cajela
...Now people take supplements - the yeasts are fortified, too...

I have here in front of me, a jar of "Marmite", and yes, it is fortified.

[Checkmite]

As far as I know, exploiting bacteria would never bother a vegan for the same reason eating plants doesn't: their objection is to taking advantage of a "sentient" lifeform (i.e, anything more complex than an insect - although for some reason it was decided that bees are sentient, even though other bugs aren't). Unfortunately, this mania has led them to reject nearly any contact between humans and animals at all - humans can't use, take, make, or really do anything with animals besides look at them - and I don't think I'm being hyperbolic here either (if I am, then correct me). This flies in the face of the concept of the ecosystem and that whole "natural order" business, but then oddly enough anything touched by humans is considered by some to be "outside" the natural order, even though humans and their intelligence and abilities evolved naturally.

[Kitty Chan]

im sorry I cannot resist must post the following little ditty by the Arrogant Worms: :D

Carrot Juice is Murder

Listen up brothers and sisters come hear my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegetables live in oppression, served on our tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, coleslaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream

Chorus:
I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (having their insides revealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (burning off calories)
How do you think that feels (bet it hurts really bad)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (let my vegetables go)
It's time to stop all this gardening (it's dirty as hell)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade is a spade)

I saw a man eating celery, so I beat him black and blue
If he ever touches a sprout again, I'll bite him clean in two
I'm a political prisoner, trapped in a windowless cage
Cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips by killing five men in a rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me, "This is my finest hour,
I'd kill those farmers again just to save one more cauliflower"

Chorus

How low as people do we dare to stoop,
Making young broccolis bleed in the soup?
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes
Let potted plants free, don't mash that potato!

I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (fates in the stir-fry are sealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (you fat gourmet slob)
How do you think that feels? (leave them out in the field)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (V8's genocide)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes, your composts are graves)
It's time to stop all this gardening (take up macrame)
Let's call a spade a spade
(is a spade, is a spade, is a spade, is a spade......)
:D

ps I have posted this before sorry but its too good.