Existence Without Time

[Iacchus]

Time is wholy contingent upon the fact that a material Universe exists. Meaning, if there is no physical distance by which to measure the rate of change, there would be no time. However, that isn't to say there wasn't an immaterial universe that existed prior to this, otherwise where would the pre-existing structure (blueprint) exist to give rise to the Big Bang and set the whole material Universe into motion? And what would be the difference between that and say, "rolling out the carpet" (so to speak) with its inherent design? Isn't that in effect what DNA does, the inherent blueprint or code that tells the body what to do? So, if all we have is the immaterial dimension -- ever wonder where we go in our dreams? which, are merely an extension of thought and of the same dimension -- then the only possible thing we can have in the physical sense is stillness which, is an expression of the moment (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219) and, extended unto Eternity.

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Time is wholy contingent upon the fact that a material Universe exists. Meaning, if there is no physical distance by which to measure the rate of change, there would be no time. However, that isn't to say there wasn't an immaterial universe that existed prior to this, ... Prior to time? Could you explain this? How does "prior to" make any sense at all without "time"?

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Mercutio
Prior to time? Could you explain this? How does "prior to" make any sense at all without "time"?
perhaps the Lacchus doesn't like the drugs, but the drugs like him.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Mercutio

Prior to time? Could you explain this? How does "prior to" make any sense at all without "time"? So, do you believe that there could have been a "before" the Big Bang? If so, then how exactly would we refer to that in terms time?

[Anders]

Originally posted by Iacchus
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And what would be the difference between that and say, "rolling out the carpet" (so to speak) with its inherent design? Isn't that in effect what DNA does, the inherent blueprint or code that tells the body what to do?

I think you mistake the information that the DNA molecules in our cells hold as something immaterial. But information is not immaterial, so you make a false assumption here, but which you continue to use throughout the post.

So, if all we have is the immaterial dimension -- ever wonder where we go in our dreams? which, are merely an extension of thought and of the same dimension -- then the only possible thing we can have in the physical sense is stillness which, is an expression of the moment (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219) and, extended unto Eternity.
Ehhh, our dreams go absolutely nowhere, which has been proven time after another by different brain activity scans.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/26/1728_59518.htm]Where ( [url) dream come from![/URL]

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Anders

I think you mistake the information that the DNA molecules in our cells hold as something immaterial. But information is not immaterial, so you make a false assumption here, but which you continue to use throughout the post.No, this has more to do with the notion that you can cram so much information into such a small area, so that which manifiests itself would appear to come from nothing. And why couldn't we apply this to the Universe on a grand scale for those who would have us believe that it too came from nothing?


Ehhh, our dreams go absolutely nowhere, which has been proven time after another by different brain activity scans.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/26/1728_59518.htm]Where ( [url) dream come from![/URL] Is Science capable of measuring the "spacial" reality within dreams? So what does this spacial reality consist of and, where does it appear to go? In other words how do we in fact know that we aren't in another dimension? For indeed there are many who will attest that this is exactly what happens.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Iacchus
No, this has more to do with the notion that you can cram so much information into such a small area, so that which manifiests itself would appear to come from nothing. And why couldn't we apply this to the Universe on a grand scale for those who would have us believe that it too came from nothing?


Is Science capable of measuring the "spacial" reality within dreams? So what does this spacial reality consist of and, where does it appear to go? In other words how do we in fact know that we aren't in another dimension? For indeed there are many who will attest that this is exactly what happens.

many people attest to lots of things. without some kind of proof, this attesting is about as valid as the majority of what you post (and the majority of what i post, to be frank about it).

[Z]

More psycho-babble from the lunatic fringe.

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Is Science capable of measuring the "spacial" reality within dreams? So what does this spacial reality consist of and, where does it appear to go? In other words how do we in fact know that we aren't in another dimension? For indeed there are many who will attest that this is exactly what happens. Presupposes this "spacial reality" is anything more than a hallucination. There is, of course, no evidence for this remarkable claim. None. There are many people who will attest that Elvis is alive. I would believe them before your "many people".

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Mercutio

Presupposes this "spacial reality" is anything more than a hallucination. There is, of course, no evidence for this remarkable claim. None. There are many people who will attest that Elvis is alive. I would believe them before your "many people". In a scientific test tube? Perhaps not. Although one can no doubt dream about a scientific test tube and interact with it within the spacial reality of a scientific lab.