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kedo1981
3rd October 2004, 06:21 PM
If Jesus was “GOD” (all knowing and all that goes along with it) did he know that when he made the statement “suffer not witch to live” doesn’t that mean he knew the faith killing suffering that those accused of it would go through.

Cosmo
3rd October 2004, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by kedo1981
If Jesus was “GOD” (all knowing and all that goes along with it) did he know that when he made the statement “suffer not witch to live” doesn’t that mean he knew the faith killing suffering that those accused of it would go through.

I read that about 5 times and still don't know what you mean. I suppose my biblical knowledge is lacking. :D

kedo1981
3rd October 2004, 08:57 PM
Jesus is quoted as saying “suffer no witch to live” in the bible; basically; kill them.
Jesus; as another aspect of an all knowing god (according to Christian belief) would have known the suffering and injustice this would cause

neutrino_cannon
3rd October 2004, 11:02 PM
Jesus enjoys suffering women, actually.

He's a little strange... er... kinky, that way.

drkitten
4th October 2004, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by kedo1981
Jesus is quoted as saying “suffer no witch to live” in the bible; basically; kill them.


Not quite. The quote you refer to (AV:"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", RSV:"You shall not permit a sorceress to live.") is not a Jesus quote. It's specifically Exodus 22:18, and as such was either written by Moses, dictated by God-the-Father, or part of Judaic tradition, depending upon where your religious authority figure was educated.

T'ai Chi
4th October 2004, 09:22 AM
What a great God to have designed us with an immune system to protect us from the diseases He created.

:rolleyes:

Lord Emsworth
4th October 2004, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by new drkitten
Not quite. The quote you refer to (AV:"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", RSV:"You shall not permit a sorceress to live.") is not a Jesus quote. It's specifically Exodus 22:18, and as such was either written by Moses, dictated by God-the-Father, or part of Judaic tradition, depending upon where your religious authority figure was educated.


True. But one could argue that since God-the-Father and Jesus are one and the same, Jesus did indeed say this. The trinity and all ...

Fizzer
4th October 2004, 11:14 AM
Not everyone who considers themselves a Christian belives in the Trinity.

TheERK
4th October 2004, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Fizzer
Not everyone who considers themselves a Christian belives in the Trinity.

That's such a watered-down version of Christianity that you might as well call yourself a deist. Beleving that Jesus is God is pretty much a standard requirement of Christianity.

Lord Emsworth
4th October 2004, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Fizzer
Not everyone who considers themselves a Christian belives in the Trinity.


And not every Christian is a literalist either, which would be another requirement for saying that Ex 22:18 is said by Jesus. But nontheless literalist trinitarians do exist and would have to concede this.

drkitten
4th October 2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
And not every Christian is a literalist either, which would be another requirement for saying that Ex 22:18 is said by Jesus. But nontheless literalist trinitarians do exist and would have to concede this.


Straw man. Even literalist trinitarians know the difference between Daddy, J.C., and the Spook.

Lord Emsworth
4th October 2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by new drkitten
Straw man. Even literalist trinitarians know the difference between Daddy, J.C., and the Spook.


What? You have never seen some bible thumper saying (or posting) something like "Jesus = Father = Holy Ghost = God?"

jimmygun
4th October 2004, 02:49 PM
If Jesus is god....

Then he chose his own mother to be the recipient of his god-gravy, a woman betroved to another man, to become a child of an extramaritial seed dump, born to a man who was okay that his bride was carrying some others kid, and was okay that the kid be born out of wedlock.

Then god turns around and says incest is wrong, infidelity is wrong, pre-maritial sex is wrong, etc etc. What a world!

kedo1981
4th October 2004, 03:47 PM
Ok so it was'nt Jesus "my bad"

Kitty Chan
5th October 2004, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by kedo1981
Jesus is quoted as saying “suffer no witch to live” in the bible; basically; kill them.
Jesus; as another aspect of an all knowing god (according to Christian belief) would have known the suffering and injustice this would cause

Heres some info I found

"The practice of sorcery was almost always associated with "medicinal arts" (the taking of drugs) in the ancient world, and was therefore a connection between drug taking and occultic practices

This was considered a severe enough threat that sorcery was considered a capital crime - the link between drugs and the occult was rightly seen as deadly "

I think there is a language and description difference between our modern understanding and back then.

Beerina
11th October 2004, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by jzs
What a great God to have designed us with an immune system to protect us from the diseases He created.

:rolleyes:

But the Devil created them!

No, wait. Only God can create life.

But they evolv

ehhh, better not go there.

It's all part of God's Master Plan, of whose Infinite Wisdom we are not developed enough to understand; there are things Man was not meant to know.

jj
11th October 2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Fizzer
Not everyone who considers themselves a Christian belives in the Trinity.

I was raised in a trinitarian sort of church.

I just could never, ever make any sense of that.

To me, it started to sound like:

W: Does she or doesn't she?
A: Only her hairdresser knows for sure!

c4ts
11th October 2004, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by kedo1981
If Jesus was “GOD” (all knowing and all that goes along with it) did he know that when he made the statement “suffer not witch to live” doesn’t that mean he knew the faith killing suffering that those accused of it would go through.

A better translation of "witch" in that section would be "seductress."

drkitten
11th October 2004, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by c4ts
A better translation of "witch" in that section would be "seductress."

I've read and heard variants of this a number of times, but never with actual evidence from the original languages attached. Perhaps you can fill this void?