The reality of the eternal Hellfire.

[1inChrist]

What if you could know beyond a doubt that the eternal Hellfire exists? What if you could hear and experience the screaming, pain, torment, horror and everything evil that is in Hell? What if scientists actually found Hell and found billions of souls of terrified people who have been banished to the Lake of Fire forever? What if you could know what happens to people who die without Christ? What if you could read reports from doctors of people who have died and have been revived have come back screaming ''I'm in Hell!''

Well, you can:

Atheist doctor is horrified from people coming back screaming about the horrors of the Hellfire. (http://www.av1611.org/hell.html)

The Terrors of Hell (http://amightywind.com/hell/terrorhell.htm)

Terrified scientists stumble upon find that PROVES Hell exists. (http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm)

Do you really want this to be your eternal home?

[Dymanic]

I'm too scared to click on any of those links.

Nothing I could do about it anyway, salvation being predestined and all.

[1inChrist]

I'm too scared to click on any of those links.

Yes, Hell is VERY scary but our wonderful Lord died to save us from it!

Nothing I could do about it anyway, salvation being predestined and all.

Not true. We have free will and ANYONE can be Saved from the Hellfire

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by 1inChrist

Do you really want this to be your eternal home?
You are so full of crap and fear.. I'm sorry your life is so miserable.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Diogenes
You are so full of crap and fear.. I'm sorry your life is so miserable.

When you are screaming in pain in the fiery pits of Hell you will remember my words. When you cry out to God ''Why didn't you warn me of the consequences of not repenting?'' God will say, ''I did warn you, I sent you 1inChrist to inform you of my Son's Sacrifice to the Hellfire.

[Yaotl]

You're kidding right?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Yaotl
You're kidding right?

Hell is NOT a joke. Infact, Jesus believed in Hell so much that He died for it!

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Hell is NOT a joke. Infact, Jesus believed in Hell so much that He died for it!

An engineer dies and reports to the pearly gates.

St. Peter checks his dossier and says, "Ah, you're an engineer -- you're in the wrong place."

So, the engineer reports to the gates of hell and is let in.

Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in hell, and starts designing and building improvements.

After awhile, they've got air conditioning and flush toilets and escalators, and the engineer is a pretty popular guy.

One day, God calls Satan up on the telephone and says with a sneer, "So, how's it going down there in hell?"

Satan replies, "Hey, things are going great. We've got air conditioning and flush toilets and escalators, and there's no telling what this engineer is going to come up with next."

God replies, "What??? You've got an engineer? That's a mistake -- he should never have gotten down there; send him up here."

Satan says, "No way. I like having an engineer on the staff, and I'm keeping him."

God says, "Send him back up here or I'll sue."

Satan laughs uproariously and answers, "Yeah, right. And just where are YOU going to get a lawyer?"

[Bruce]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if you could know beyond a doubt that the eternal Hellfire exists? What if you could hear and experience the screaming, pain, torment, horror and everything evil that is in Hell? What if scientists actually found Hell and found billions of souls of terrified people who have been banished to the Lake of Fire forever? What if you could know what happens to people who die without Christ? What if you could read reports from doctors of people who have died and have been revived have come back screaming ''I'm in Hell!''


My guess would be that Bush would bomb it, Hollywood would make a movie out of it, and it would be the hottest news media topic for at least a year.

Skeptics and atheists would still say you're full of crap. :o

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When you are screaming in pain in the fiery pits of Hell you will remember my words. When you cry out to God ''Why didn't you warn me of the consequences of not repenting?'' God will say, ''I did warn you, I sent you 1inChrist to inform you of my Son's Sacrifice to the Hellfire.

Something tells me you read too much Jack T. Chick.

[Dymanic]

Originally posted by 1inChrist

Not true. We have free will and ANYONE can be Saved from the Hellfire
The other day, I provided scriptural basis for my claim that it is a matter of God's choice:



And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed -Acts 13:48

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified -Romans 8:29-30

He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. -Ephesians 1:4-5

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. -2 Timothy 1:9


Did I miss your response?

[Anathema]

1inChrist,

Are you just in here to lay a fresh steamer? Please go back to the abandonded threads where you've promised responses --- if you don't live up to your word, we may be sharing a spit in Hell....

[1inChrist]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you all joke HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hell is funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh look at the crazy fire and brimestone preacher HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He's such a moron HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fact is you are the moron for rejecting Christ. You sit there with your naturalistic presuppositions and reject your Creator because you think He's ''immoral'' or ''not fair'' or ''mean''. Well I hate to break it to you atheist punk but HE CREATES THE RULES. You do not. You are living in a sin infested reality where Satan is giving you FALSE peace of mind and FALSE truths. The day of judgement is upon us and those who decide to challenge the throne shall surley be put to eternal death.

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you all joke HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hell is funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh look at the crazy fire and brimestone preacher HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He's such a moron HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fact is you are the moron for rejecting Christ. You sit there with your naturalistic presuppositions and reject your Creator because you think He's ''immoral'' or ''not fair'' or ''mean''. Well I hate to break it to you atheist punk but HE CREATES THE RULES. You do not. You are living in a sin infested reality where Satan is giving you FALSE peace of mind and FALSE truths. The day of judgement is upon us and those who decide to challenge the throne shall surley be put to eternal death.

If i actually "challenge the throne" do I get my own personal hell like Lucifer? That would be pretty sweet.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Dymanic
The other day, I provided scriptural basis for my claim that it is a matter of God's choice:



And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed -Acts 13:48

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified -Romans 8:29-30

He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. -Ephesians 1:4-5

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. -2 Timothy 1:9


Did I miss your response?

All that is saying is God knows what is going to happen before it does. The desicion is still ours as we have free will.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Anathema
1inChrist,

Are you just in here to lay a fresh steamer? Please go back to the abandonded threads where you've promised responses --- if you don't live up to your word, we may be sharing a spit in Hell....

It's impossible to debate anything with you people! You are naturalist fundamentalist and REFUSE to open your mind to the fact that your whole ''predictable'' and ''scientific'' world is A LIE OF THE BEAST!

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It's impossible to debate anything with you people! You are naturalist fundamentalist and REFUSE to open your mind to the fact that your whole ''predictable'' and ''scientific'' world is A LIE OF THE BEAST!

What does this have to do with you living up to your word??

I believe your "ideas" only flourish in beds of freshly-laid manure, hence your tendency to abandon your own topics and start fresh rants as soon as the going gets tough.

Perhaps you should step back, and find some comfort in your beliefs. You seem to only be upsetting yourself here.

[El Greco]

1inC... why don't you crucify yourself and show us how much YOU believe in Hell ?

[Bruce]

(Sigh) Same old story.

God loves you, unless you are non-Christian, atheist, gay, Protestant, sinful, Jewish, a prostitute, a Democrat, a lawyer, or you play Dungeons and Dragons. Then, God wants you to suffer in a burning pit of torture for all eternity.

Screw your God. If Satan can reject God and start his own realm, so can I. I'll call it Bruceland.

[Dymanic]

Originally posted by

All that is saying is God knows what is going to happen before it does. The desicion is still ours as we have free will.
Lets start with the first one, the one from Acts:

And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

The word 'ordained' means 'predestined". Look it up. If what was mean was 'foreseen' (which is not the same thing), then why did it not say that instead?

[c4ts]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if you could know beyond a doubt that the eternal Hellfire exists? What if you could hear and experience the screaming, pain, torment, horror and everything evil that is in Hell? What if scientists actually found Hell and found billions of souls of terrified people who have been banished to the Lake of Fire forever? What if you could know what happens to people who die without Christ? What if you could read reports from doctors of people who have died and have been revived have come back screaming ''I'm in Hell!''

Well, you can:

Atheist doctor is horrified from people coming back screaming about the horrors of the Hellfire. (http://www.av1611.org/hell.html)

The Terrors of Hell (http://amightywind.com/hell/terrorhell.htm)

Terrified scientists stumble upon find that PROVES Hell exists. (http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm)

Do you really want this to be your eternal home?

Way to throw most of the New Testament out the window. Very Christian of you.

[Bruce]

For those of you that are confused about Christianity, please refer to my version of the Bible, found on another thread. I'm sure it will make more sense than any version you've ever read.

[roger]

Those links are pretty funny. I especially like the one where the guys are drilling a deep hole and are astonished, astonished I tell you, that it is hot nearer the Earth's core. Clearly that means hell is in the center of the Earth.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When you are screaming in pain in the fiery pits of Hell you will remember my words. When you cry out to God ''Why didn't you warn me of the consequences of not repenting?'' God will say, ''I did warn you, I sent you 1inChrist to inform you of my Son's Sacrifice to the Hellfire.

I'm sorry, but you really need to make it even more fiery and descriptive. The following example is even better than your lukewarm teaching method. Fry the infidels to a crisp, I always say.

"Unrepentant heathens will be lit on fire for all eternity!!! They will have resurrected bodies that can never die. However, they will be on fire and burn in intense unimanginable pain and suffering!!! Screaming from the tops of their lungs for trillions and trillions of googles!!! Never, ever, not even for one (1) minute having rest from being on fire!!!... There are not long enough graphs to put the equation of eternal Suffering and pain on.

Think of being in your garage and accidently having the gas can fall on you and spill all over you and your clothes. Then your nieghbor throws his cigarette over the fence and fffrrrooommmmm!!! You've just been lit on fire! You start screaming and yelling for help! Your eyes are burning with fire so you can't see, therefore you run into the outside wall of your house and fall down and just keep burning and screaming in pain!!! Well that would be a vacation to those who will burn in the lake of fire!!!

What's my point? Even if the homoSEXuals, liars, ABORTIONists, and all haters of GOD, succede in their political whoredom, who do they really wind up burning in the end??????? "

[c4ts]

Originally posted by roger
Those links are pretty funny. I especially like the one where the guys are drilling a deep hole and are astonished, astonished I tell you, that it is hot nearer the Earth's core. Clearly that means hell is in the center of the Earth.

There was a sensationalized failure in some Russian drilling equipment in the 1980's. Apparently Hell is made of slate.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist


Terrified scientists stumble upon find that PROVES Hell exists. (http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm)



look at the caption on the picture at the top of the page
"an amrrican newspaper account of the myth".


Hmm

The caption is the same as the one under the picture on this site (http://ship-of-fools.com/Myths/03Myth.html) which debunks the whole thing.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
-snip -


Poor sod.

http://lord_emsworth.spymac.net/smilies/rub.gif

Better?

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if...


Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if ...


Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if ...


Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if ...


Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if ...


That's a lot of "what if's", care to provide some evidence of this? Oh I can't wait...


Originally posted by 1inChrist
Well, you can:

Atheist doctor is horrified from people coming back screaming about the horrors of the Hellfire. (http://www.av1611.org/hell.html)

The Terrors of Hell (http://amightywind.com/hell/terrorhell.htm)

Terrified scientists stumble upon find that PROVES Hell exists. (http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm)


Snigger, you call "that" evidence??

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Do you really want this to be your eternal home?

I'm not too bothered as long as I don't have to pay the gas bill to heat the place.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
Poor sod.

http://lord_emsworth.spymac.net/smilies/rub.gif

Better?



The rub is great.

:rub:

:cs:

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It's impossible to debate anything with you people! You are naturalist fundamentalist and REFUSE to open your mind to the fact that your whole ''predictable'' and ''scientific'' world is A LIE OF THE BEAST!


What do you understand under debating?? As far as I remember there are a couple of threads and lots and lots of posts waiting for replies and rebuttals from your part. Innit?

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist

Terrified scientists stumble upon find that PROVES Hell exists. (http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm)


What the heck, I'v got a few minutes to kill.


These details are reportedly from the translation of an article in a Finnish newspaper named 'Ammennusatia'.


Not off to a very good start are we, they don't know where the "story" came from, but they guess it may be from a newspaper, and we all know fiction just never gets in to newspapers.

Have a read here (http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.htm) for the counter argument to that twaddle.

[wollery]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It's impossible to debate anything with you people! You are naturalist fundamentalist and REFUSE to open your mind to the fact that your whole ''predictable'' and ''scientific'' world is A LIE OF THE BEAST!If there are so many things in the world that are "lies of the beast" how can you be sure that the bible isn't one of them?

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by wollery
If there are so many things in the world that are "lies of the beast" how can you be sure that the bible isn't one of them?


The Bible doesn't say so, now does it?

[Scot C. Trypal]

I was in the 1inChrist-is-a-serious-Christian camp… But digging to Hell?? I don’t know what to believe anymore.

[Stitch]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
The Bible doesn't say so, now does it?



No the bible says it is the word of god and satan isn't allowed to claim to be the word of god as god would stop him from doing that, oh but that would destroy the free will argument. :D

[Anathema]

As is typical 1iC has left the building. He starts off so hot, replying almost as quickly as an online chat session, only to reappear in a shiny new thread, days later, with the same old line.

I think Hans said it best: "s*!t and run"....

[Dymanic]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal

I was in the 1inChrist-is-a-serious-Christian camp...
I'm in the 1inChrist is a kid who got tired of getting whacked with a stick and decided to grab a stick of his own and become a whacker instead of a whackee camp. He obviously still has a lot to learn about its proper use.

[Scot C. Trypal]

This one’s a gem:
Do you know why Jacques Costeau, the famous underwater explorer, quit deep sea diving sometime before he died? It is said that he stopped because he had heard in one of the underwater caves he was exploring, the sounds of people screaming.

There was also another time, when one of his men,…
I, for some reason, imagine it being said by an excited Millhouse.

[Lisa Simpson]

It has been pointed out to me that I am almost up to 666 posts. Cool (and thanks for the heads up, SkepticJ). I think one of 1inChrist's posts would be the perfect place for it.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
This one’s a gem:

I, for some reason, imagine it being said by an excited Millhouse.

"...and that old lady said it would happen!" :D

[c4ts]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you all joke HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hell is funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh look at the crazy fire and brimestone preacher HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He's such a moron HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Look at the troll posting outdated Weekly World News stories that PROVE Hell exists. Maybe there are reasons people laugh at you. Preach hellfire, and you will only succeed in scaring people away from religion, or making yourself look like an idiot. Hell isn't scary to people who don't believe in it, and saying that nonbelievers will go there isn't going to convince them, since you're not really adding anything but more emotion. Not to mention that trying to prove anything supernatural in the bible such as heaven, hell or God exists is impossible.

[Scot C. Trypal]

Originally posted by Piscivore
"...and that old lady said it would happen!" :D

LOL

Yes! That’s exactly it, but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it. Listen and tell me I’m not right!

ftp://ftp.smoovenet.com/pub/lardlad/sounds/season7/proud17.mp3

[Upchurch]

Do people who follow God's word for obtaining and keeping slaves go to Hell?

[Scot C. Trypal]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Do people who follow God's word for obtaining and keeping slaves go to Hell?
Upchurch, your persistence is admirable.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
Upchurch, your persistence is admirable. I almost apologized for that post, but I didn't want 1inChrist to mistakenly think I was apologizing to him. :)

It's almost a game to figure out how to work the question in and not be off topic. :D

[Dragonrock]

I've decided to cut and paste my question about Hitler and Anne Frank whenever 1inChrist mentions hell in the hope that I can kill off his threads that much more quickly.

[Timble]

The story about drilling through into Hell has been in the Weekly World News, so it MUST be true:

At:
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/religion/10620

Though they say it happen in Mexico.


That is the horrifying warning of more than 60 eyewitnesses who have seen the monstrous shape of the Evil One roaring out of a mile-deep Mexican oil well amid stinking clouds of sulphur.

[.....]

The oil field, about 60 miles outside Durango, has been ordered shut down by the government and the area has been cordoned off. Only police and clergymen who have been called in by the oil company to aid in the crisis are admitted to the area, and Mexican officials have slapped a tight lid of secrecy over the story.



;)

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Do people who follow God's word for obtaining and keeping slaves go to Hell?

Those people are called "Preachers," and they go straight to heaven where they pray and pray until they get bored and go crazy.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Bah... did I show up too late for the mockery? I have to wake up earlier.

[Anathema]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
I have to wake up earlier.

Sloth! Straight to Hellfire....

[uruk]

Man, I missed out on this little gem too!

But if 1inChrist believes everything he reads on the net, then he might be interested in these links:
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm317674.html
http://ship-of-fools.com/Myths/03Myth.html

He still hasn't answered my questions from his last thread.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Bah... did I show up too late for the mockery? I have to wake up earlier.

No, we are still in serious mode. Thanks. I don't believe anyone has asked whether or not Hitler is in hell yet, so you can ask that question.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by c4ts
Way to throw most of the New Testament out the window. Very Christian of you.

How am I throwing it at the window? BACK UP WHAT YOU CLAIM!

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by roger
Those links are pretty funny. I especially like the one where the guys are drilling a deep hole and are astonished, astonished I tell you, that it is hot nearer the Earth's core. Clearly that means hell is in the center of the Earth.

What is funny about billions of people screaming and wailing because they are in so much pain? You sir are an animal.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Anathema
What does this have to do with you living up to your word??

I believe your "ideas" only flourish in beds of freshly-laid manure, hence your tendency to abandon your own topics and start fresh rants as soon as the going gets tough.

Perhaps you should step back, and find some comfort in your beliefs. You seem to only be upsetting yourself here.

You need to be Saved NOW! You could die tomorrow or even TONIGHT and be consumed by the Hellfire. Do you want that? Does ANYONE want that? NO! It's my JOB to save your soul.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
How am I throwing it at the window? BACK UP WHAT YOU CLAIM!

:id: Please provide some factual scientific (and repeatable) evidence for the existence of God, Heaven, Hell, and Satan. I await your reply.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Bruce
(Sigh) Same old story.

God loves you, unless you are non-Christian, atheist, gay, Protestant, sinful, Jewish, a prostitute, a Democrat, a lawyer, or you play Dungeons and Dragons. Then, God wants you to suffer in a burning pit of torture for all eternity.

Screw your God. If Satan can reject God and start his own realm, so can I. I'll call it Bruceland.

If you do not accept Christ as your Savior you will be consumed by the flames of Hell. PERIOD.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by DaveW
:id: Please provide some factual scientific (and repeatable) evidence for the existence of God, Heaven, Hell, and Satan. I await your reply.

I did.

[Scot C. Trypal]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
How am I throwing it at the window? BACK UP WHAT YOU CLAIM!

That's right c4ts, where's your proof?

[as I wipe the little rainbow droplets of my drink from the monitor]

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You need to be Saved NOW! You could die tomorrow or even TONIGHT and be consumed by the Hellfire. Do you want that? Does ANYONE want that? NO! It's my JOB to save your soul.

Hey look! You poke it with a stick, and it squirms....

[1inChrist]

Jesus is shedding a tear for your lost soul as we speak.

:j2: Don't even try asking God to put out the fire, you chose it.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I did.

You must have missed where I said "factual" and "evidence." That would imply something other than anecdotes from a tabloid. Try again.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
BACK UP WHAT YOU CLAIM!

You should take your own advice. Before you can scare anyone with the idea of Hell, you first have to prove hell exists. I do not count a story from a 'newspaper' (and I use the word 'newspaper in a very loose sense when dealing with the Weekly World News) that has such stories as 'Space Alien endorses Bush for President'.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
How am I throwing it at the window? BACK UP WHAT YOU CLAIM!

The whole point of the New Testament is that God is kind and loving. There is nothing kind and loving about you preaching hellfire. You adopt the mentality of a slave owner, saying "obey, or the taskmaster will whip you!"

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I did.

No, you merely posted more claims. And claims from some very 'tongue-in-cheek' sources at that.

[Anders]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you all joke HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hell is funny HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh look at the crazy fire and brimestone preacher HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA He's such a moron HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The fact is you are the moron for rejecting Christ. You sit there with your naturalistic presuppositions and reject your Creator because you think He's ''immoral'' or ''not fair'' or ''mean''. Well I hate to break it to you atheist punk but HE CREATES THE RULES. You do not. You are living in a sin infested reality where Satan is giving you FALSE peace of mind and FALSE truths. The day of judgement is upon us and those who decide to challenge the throne shall surley be put to eternal death.
Eh, which christ? Which god? Which satan? You know, there are so many to choose from. For a god I would prefer Ganesh, you know, the indian god with a trunk, like an elephant.

Please 1inC, I used to be X-ian, I'm not any more, though, and I’m doing quite well actually. And I think you would have a very hard time trying to convince me, a former x-ian, because, I have seen the light (metaphorically) and the light shine so bright on science, so I kinda not wanna go back to the dark realm of superstition, you know, where you live…

There is no day of judgement, never will be, but I'm the first to revise my attitude when there are any reason to why I should believe in a god. So far, I've seen nothing, no angels, no demons, no useful prayers, no hell!

Bah, this is getting tiring...

Oh one more thing, take a look here (http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.htm)…

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What is funny about billions of people screaming and wailing because they are in so much pain? You sir are an animal. One might also ask what is good about buying the children of strangers to use as slaves (Lev. 25:45)? Personally, I can't think of anything I would consider more obviously evil. What do you say, 1inChrist?

[Cosmo]

1inC, I truly feel sorrow for the fear and anguish through which you put yourself. How is eternal fear any way to live your life?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Jesus is shedding a tear for your lost soul as we speak.


Shame on you! You made Baby Jesus cry!

[punchdrunk]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You need to be Saved NOW! You could die tomorrow or even TONIGHT and be consumed by the Hellfire. Do you want that? Does ANYONE want that? NO! It's my JOB to save your soul.

I want it. I think it would be awesome. Satan told me it was my job to bring as many of these Skepti-sinners down to the Lake O' Fire with me. So that's what I'm going to do. And, really, I'm also doing this to spite you, which is okay, because, being in league with Dark Overlord, it's my meiu.

[punchdrunk]

Moreover, I say we harness the renewable energy of the Eternal Hellfire to offset some of the rocketing costs of fuel oil.

The first thing we must figure out is how many burning souls equals 1 BTU (does anybody else besides the US still use this measurement?). Then we will get an idea of exactly how many burning souls in hell we need to meet our global requirements. Personally, I can't imagine a burning soul puts out too much energy, so we're going to need a lot of them. I would encourage you and your friend and family to start murdering, raping, maiming, etc., as soon as possible, to avoid a Crude Soul shortage. Second, we're going to need to devise a way to get this energy, which is almost entirely heat I'm sure, converted to some other form before we attempt to transport it from the Lake area to your home and mine. According to 1stInChrist's posts, the Lake is evidently somewhere close to the center of the earth. The questions is, how can we get this energy up from the center of the earth and into our homes?

This is the most practical conversation I have ever had about Hell. Thank you 1stInChrist.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Jesus is shedding a tear for your lost soul as we speak.

:j2: Don't even try asking God to put out the fire, you chose it.

No God Chose it. If you are correct, then by your own admission GOD MAKES THE RULES (your own words from earlier in the thread). Therefore, God decided what would get you punished and what that punishment would be. So why then would God be shedding a tear, that would be like setting my puppy on fire for piddling on my rug, then shedding a tear because my puppy died (after all, the puppy chose to piddle on the rug, despite my efforts to train her not to do so, so it's her own fault, right)

Therefore, your God is either logically inconsistant, or a monster, pick one.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Sheesh, I can't believe I have to explain this. That burning souls for energy thing will never work, because soul energy is immaterial and can't affect things in the physical world.













...erm, except when they somehow control the living's actions, but that's obviously different. :D:D

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by Piscivore
Shame on you! You made Baby Jesus cry!

Yes, I was going to ask which version -- the baby? The 12-year-old? The teenager of whom we hear nothing about (maybe he was on a rumspringa)? The 33-year-old adult? Or an older version? Does he look like his dad now?

[Gastric ReFlux]

Originally posted by alfaniner
Yes, I was going to ask which version -- the baby? The 12-year-old? The teenager of whom we hear nothing about (maybe he was on a rumspringa)? The 33-year-old adult? Or an older version? Does he look like his dad now?

Latest reports, about 2,000 years old, had him showing up with a two-edged sword sticking out of his mouth.

[Piscivore]

I say if we know where to drill into hell, we should mount a rescue mission to bring back Asimov, Sagan, Darwin, and as many of the other noteable damned as we can. Hell, let's get Gengis- he can kick ass for us in Iraq. He'll be indestructable now, right?

[roger]

What I want to know is, does this offer come with any freebies? Like maybe one of those grippy thingies that helps you open stubborn jar lids. I'd probably go for it if I got one of those free grippy things. Or maybe a set of steak knives.

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by Piscivore
I say if we know where to drill into hell, we should mount a rescue mission to bring back Asimov, Sagan, Darwin, and as many of the other noteable damned as we can. Hell, let's get Gengis- he can kick ass for us in Iraq. He'll be indestructable now, right?

Aren't Stanley Tucci and DelRoy Lindo still down there somewhere as well?

[Morwen]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If you do not accept Christ as your Savior you will be consumed by the flames of Hell. PERIOD.
Awww... Sweet of you to worry.

Now, tell you what: when we die and you are in Heaven, feel free to gloat all you want at us in Hell, mkay? Just have a blast. No, really, we won't mind. Enjoy.

Until then, you've clearly done all you could here: you've said what you had to say and we all are aware of your idea in coming here. So, since there's not a lot more you can do, why don't you leave? This site obviously upsets you a lot.

Just trying to help.

[AWPrime]

Originally posted by Piscivore
I say if we know where to drill into hell, we should mount a rescue mission to bring back Asimov, Sagan, Darwin, and as many of the other noteable damned as we can. Hell, let's get Gengis- he can kick ass for us in Iraq. He'll be indestructable now, right?

And lets not forget the real jesus, we could finaly find out what kind of sh*t he takes.

[Lisa Simpson]

Should we start one of those unanswered questions threads? At a minimum we have Upchurch's slavery question, plus I'm still waiting to hear exactly how Ghandi and the Dalai Lama live(d) amoral lives.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.--Mark Twain.

We may be burning forever, but at least we'll have each other for company, right?:D

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson

We may be burning forever, but at least we'll have each other for company, right?:D
Right. :D

But if 1inC is up in heaven, what will we do for fun?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Right. :D

But if 1inC is up in heaven, what will we do for fun?

Oh please, like his narrow-mindedness isn't going to get him a trip down south as well.

[RamblingOnwards]

You know, I can just imagine all the Christians reading this thread and praying fervently:

"God, please make 1inChrist stop being on our side. He's making us look bad."

[fishbob]

NO! It's my JOB to save your soul. Clear out your desk, give back the keys, you are fired.

[Scot C. Trypal]

The first thing we must figure out is how many burning souls equals 1 BTU…

Sheesh, I can't believe I have to explain this. That burning souls for energy thing will never work, because soul energy is immaterial and can't affect things in the physical world.

No no no. All wrong.

It’s not the souls, or their theoretical heat of combustion we should be focused on; it’s the temperature of Hell itself. Hell is kept at 2000 F (a verified physical fact, according to the article), and the earth’s surface is around 75 F. To extract work all you need is a way to transfer the heat from a heat source to a heat sink and, according to the evidence, the Russians already have drilled the hole to this tremendously high heat source!!

Sure, as we pump heat from the source to the sink, Hell will cool, but God is an awesome God; He’ll not let it get below a Las Vegas summer and there's your free energy!

[alfaniner]

If Hell has only one 56k modem, it will truly be Hell.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
[B]Should we start one of those unanswered questions threads? At a minimum we have Upchurch's slavery question, plus I'm still waiting to hear exactly how Ghandi and the Dalai Lama live(d) amoral lives.

Upchurch can you repeat the slavery question for me? About Ghandi and the Dalai Lama, they may be kind and loving but they reject Jesus and Lord and His Sacrifice. Therefore they cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Deeds alone cannot bring you Salvation. If this were true, Jesus wouldn't have had to die.

We may be burning forever

May? You will. As soon as you die you will float above your body. You will feel peaceful and happy but you will soon start to shoot straight down. It keeps getting hotter and hotter and you get more and more scared. You hear screams of pain, you are about to enter the Gates of Hell. Once you reach the pit you are in so much pain that you beg someone to kill you. You beg Satan's Angels to just kill you and put you out of pain but they just laugh. You cry and plead with God to let you out but all you get is the feeling of nothing. God does not response and He is not there. God will never hear a word you say or a thought you think. You got your wish, you are seperated from Him.

but at least we'll have each other for company, right?:D

Not true. You will be ALONE. You will only HEAR the screams of the billions of other people but you will not interact with anyone except Satan and His Angels. You will be in pain and you'll be ALONE.

Hell is not party.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If you do not accept Christ as your Savior you will be consumed by the flames of Hell. PERIOD.

"Consumed" forever? :D


Adds to "TO DO" list: break into churches, replace bibles with dictionaries.

[AWPrime]

Hell or heaven

....


Ill pick Asgard.;)

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Piscivore
[B]"Consumed" forever? :D

Yes you will DIE forever it's an eternal DEATH! Why do you think it's so PAINFUL and HORRIFYING!?

Adds to "TO DO" list: break into churches, replace bibles with dictionaries.

Replacing His Word with that garbage will NEVER work as the Lord CANNOT be silenced!

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Replacing His Word with that garbage will NEVER work as the Lord CANNOT be silenced!
The ignorant seldom can.

[Nyarlathotep]

If this were true, Jesus wouldn't have had to die.
[/B]

And let's add that little tidbit to the 'Unanswered questions'. If GOD MAKES THE RULES, as you put it, then why does he HAVE to do anything, including sending Jesus to die. Why couldn't he make the rules where works can get you into heaven.

Oops. Using the devil's tool, logic, again. sorry.

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by 1inChrist

Not true. You will be ALONE. You will only HEAR the screams of the billions of other people but you will not interact with anyone except Satan and His Angels. You will be in pain and you'll be ALONE.

Hell is not party.

Can I bring books? I can finally get through Stephenson's trilogy.

[1inChrist]

Does this look like a party to you? (http://amightywind.com/hell/lakeoffire.htm)

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Yes you will DIE forever it's an eternal DEATH! Why do you think it's so PAINFUL and HORRIFYING!?


So, what's the trick? Do you just keep saying this stuff over and over and over again until your brain surrenders? If you repeat it enough, your brain will finally say, "Hey, this makes sense!"?

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Does this look like a party to you? (http://amightywind.com/hell/lakeoffire.htm)

No, it looks like the website of a histrionic nutjob.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Does this look like a party to you? (http://amightywind.com/hell/lakeoffire.htm)
Well, yeah, but the music sucks.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
The ignorant seldom can.

You just can't handle it when I speak against your father can you? The truth about your father will be revealed!

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Does this look like a party to you? (http://amightywind.com/hell/lakeoffire.htm)

So I get to see Rammstein in concert all the time? I can think of worse things, I like them.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Anathema
So, what's the trick? Do you just keep saying this stuff over and over and over again until your brain surrenders? If you repeat it enough, your brain will finally say, "Hey, this makes sense!"?

It worked for me. People who were Saved kept telling me of Him over and over and over again until I finally understood the Lord and His plan of Salvation.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Anathema
No, it looks like the website of a histrionic nutjob.

No. It is the work of a Man of the Lord who loves you and is trying to Save your eternal soul.

[AWPrime]

If hell exists I will buy all of its stocks.

"Look Satan I own 51% of Hell. I make you a deal lets control hell together.;) "

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You just can't handle it when I speak against your father can you? The truth about your father will be revealed!
Um, that he's an inventory manager for an electrical wholesaler? I'm shaking in me boots.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Well, yeah, but the music sucks.

There is no music except the screams of the you and billions of other eternally banished souls.

[TruthSeeker]

1inChrist, think of the person you love most in this world (partner, parent, friend, whoever)

If they stopped loving you or ended the relationship, would you punish them in a cruel, inhumane, unending way?

Hopefully not, because you love them and you would find a way to forgive them or accept their choice without having to hurt them.

Why is your god less compassionate than most people?

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It worked for me. People who were Saved kept telling me of Him over and over and over again until I finally understood the Lord and His plan of Salvation.

Good thing --- because if they'd have tried to convince you with sound arguments and logic, it would have been indistinguishable from Satan's tricks. Then where would be?

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There is no music except the screams of the you and billions of other eternally banished souls.

So it is like a Rammstein concert.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist


Not true. You will be ALONE.



Then it wouldn't be hell. Hell is other people.


BTW, who said that? Aside from me.

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Then it wouldn't be hell. Hell is other people.


BTW, who said that? Aside from me.

Jean-Paul Sartre

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Um, that he's an inventory manager for an electrical wholesaler? I'm shaking in me boots.

I am speaking of the unholy one, the Beast.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Anathema
Good thing --- because if they'd have tried to convince you with sound arguments and logic, it would have been indistinguishable from Satan's tricks. Then where would be?

I live outside your materialistic beliefs. Logic, reason, science and all that other wabble babble is useless to me. I know that the Lord watches everything I do and when I die I will enter the Gates.........the Gates of Heaven.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It worked for me. People who were Saved kept telling me of Him over and over and over again until I finally understood the Lord and His plan of Salvation.

Telling somebody something over and over until they belive it is usually referred to as brainwashing. And it can just as easily get you to beleive anything.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Yes you will DIE forever it's an eternal DEATH! Why do you think it's so PAINFUL and HORRIFYING!?

1inC- our resident oxymoronicist:

"consumed forever"
"eternal death"


Feel free to add to the list

:D

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Replacing His Word with that garbage will NEVER work as the Lord CANNOT be silenced!

Without words, where is "the Word"? :D

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I live outside your materialistic beliefs. Logic, reason, science and all that other wabble babble is useless to me. I know that the Lord watches everything I do and when I die I will enter the Gates.........the Gates of Heaven.

Sweet man, you can't beat that deal. I'm assuming you'll get your reward even if you don't save a single one of us naturalistic fundamentalists --- so, really, why are you here?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I live outside your materialistic beliefs. Logic, reason, science and all that other wabble babble is useless to me. I know that the Lord watches everything I do and when I die I will enter the Gates.........the Gates of Heaven.

Funny then that you try (ineptly) to use logic and reason to convince other people of what you say.

And if Logic and reason are so bad, why did God see fit to create us with the capacity for those things?

ANother one for the unanswered questions list.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Piscivore
Without words, where is "the Word"? :D

There have been numerous reports of people who could not read but when handed a Bible were able to read and understand every Word of it.

[geni]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
[B]No no no. All wrong.

It’s not the souls, or their theoretical heat of combustion we should be focused on; it’s the temperature of Hell itself. Hell is kept at 2000 F (a verified physical fact, according to the article), and the earth’s surface is around 75 F. To extract work all you need is a way to transfer the heat from a heat source to a heat sink and, according to the evidence, the Russians already have drilled the hole to this tremendously high heat source!! .

Problem is that according to the bible hell can't be more than 832.5^oF

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Anathema
Sweet man, you can't beat that deal. I'm assuming you'll get your reward even if you don't save a single one of us naturalistic fundamentalists --- so, really, why are you here?

Because I love you.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Anathema
Sweet man, you can't beat that deal. I'm assuming you'll get your reward even if you don't save a single one of us naturalistic fundamentalists --- so, really, why are you here?

He's trying to recruit enough people to be a District Manager in Jesus' litle MLM scheme.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
[B]Funny then that you try (ineptly) to use logic and reason to convince other people of what you say.

When have I ever used logic or reason?

And if Logic and reason are so bad, why did God see fit to create us with the capacity for those things?

Originally we WEREN'T designed like that but when the Original Parents disobeyed God humanity was sainted with Sin and evil from the Beast.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There have been numerous reports of people who could not read but when handed a Bible were able to read and understand every Word of it.

Ok lets see one well recorded case. (and which version of the bible?)

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When have I ever used logic or reason?

It like it :D



Originally we WEREN'T designed like that but when the Original Parents disobeyed God humanity was sainted with Sin and evil from the Beast. [/B]

I seem to recall that god is general credited with creating the tree of knowlage.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There have been numerous reports of people who could not read but when handed a Bible were able to read and understand every Word of it.

I bet you don't have any of their names, either. Should we just call them Illiterates A, B, and C?

Guess what? There have been "numerous reports" of Christians dying and not "going" anywhere except a grave.

A lot more than of "spontaneous literacy".

[roger]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When have I ever used logic or reason? He's got you by the sack on that one, Nyarl.

[Cosmo]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Does this look like a party to you? (http://amightywind.com/hell/lakeoffire.htm)

Hey, cool! The music sucks, but that java applet is pretty trippy. Is that what hell is like? We get to watch psychedelic java applets all day long?

Count me in! :D

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Because I love you.

Well, you'll have to argue with my wife about that, but generally I don't swing that way, dude.

I hear Jesus does though.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Because I love you.

But would you give your only son to suffer and die on a cross to save my soul from eternal damnation?






I would hope not. If you did, I would say you are one twisted (explitive deleted). I don't even know you. Why the hell would you do that? It doesn't even make sense. You don't even understand the meaning of love, and neither does your God if you both think that torturing and killing your family to rescue a stranger is the equivalent to showing love. :mad: Doesn't that strike you as insane?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Because I love you.

1inC's not a troll--he's Barney!

I love you
You love me
We're a fundie family

[cbish]

Hey guys!

Guess just what happened to me? I've just been saved! I just spoke to God and he said, "don't worry about it, I'll handle everything." WHEW!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Upchurch can you repeat the slavery question for me? Happy to.

You have said that The Bible is God's Word and that God's Word is, by definition, good. In Leviticus 25:44-46:25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

25:45
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

25:46
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.God explains respectively in each verse: who may be taken as slaves, how they may be taken as slaves, and how they are to be kept as slaves by passing them on to future generations.

So, my question is this: Since God's Word not only condones slavery but gives direction in the proper method of slavery, is slavery good?

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
1inC's not a troll--he's Barney!

I love you
You love me
We're a fundie family

1 more until the big post, make it a good one in this thread.

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When have I ever used logic or reason?

Originally we WEREN'T designed like that but when the Original Parents disobeyed God humanity was sainted with Sin and evil from the Beast.

You never responded to my mention of this in another of your abandoned threads, so I'll restate. No squirming please:

What does it mean when the KJV bible, in Isaiah 1:18 says:
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD

What is God saying to us here? Why is His Inerrant Word suggesting we use something that you continually assert is a cloak of the Beast?

I love you too, man.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Bruce
You don't even understand the meaning of love, and neither does your God if you both think that torturing and killing your family to rescue a stranger is the equivalent to showing love. :mad: Doesn't that strike you as insane?

Not only that, but why would God have to torture and kill his son to save you? He's God! Can't he just save you without torturing and killing his son? Is there a set of rules that God has to follow to save your soul?




And this conversation ends if you give me that "he works in mysterious ways" crap. :mad:

[RamblingOnwards]

live outside your materialistic beliefs. Logic, reason, science and all that other wabble babble is useless to me. I know that the Lord watches everything I do and when I die I will enter the Gates.........the Gates of Heaven.

I've always wondered what it is like for people who live without science.

So if you don't mind indulging my curiosity, do you mind describing your life according solely to the principles in the bible?

All illnesses, diseases and injuries are caused by demons, so I take it you have a holy person pray over you for these? I can't imagine living without painkillers, myself.

Do you walk everywhere, or does your nieghbourhood allow horses? And fires for warmth and cooking? (since you don't believe in electricity or the internal combustion engine). I don't know about running water - I guess as long as it isn't pumped up to higher stories, it's okay if you have it on the ground floor, is this the way you do it?

No food that wasn't mentioned in the bible - so no potatoes, tamotoes, chocolate... what do you normally eat? Do you grow it yourself?

And what work do you do? I'd imagine it's difficult to get people to pay you in precious metals or trade goods.

Wearing a dress must get you some odd looks - no fitted clothing, zips, buttons or synthetic fabrics allowed, they're the product of science and therefore of the devil.

Please, I'm fascinated!

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When have I ever used logic or reason?

If you are trying to provide evidence of a Hell, even if your evidence sucks, youo are TRYING to use reason to get people to be afraid of hell.



Originally posted by 1inChrist Originally we WEREN'T designed like that but when the Original Parents disobeyed God humanity was sainted with Sin and evil from the Beast. [/B]

Ah, but if God made the rules and God created the 'Original Parents' then he did indeed design us that way. Bill Gates may not have INTENDED for my computer to crash, but crash it did and it was due to the way he desgned my software. I assume that any being I would call God would be more competant than Bill Gates.

Further, God decided what constituted disobedience and what the punishments for that disobedience are to be. Further God is said to 'Know the End from the Beginning' so he created a palce of eternal torture, and he created the rules that would get you sent to this place, knowing full well that the vast majority of humans would end up there. So one has to ask, why would a supposedly loving God do such a thing? I can come up with three possible explanations, none of which you will like.

1) God is a sadistic bastard. In which case, such a being should be fought, not honored. Plus if he is such a sadist, who is to say he won't send you to hell no matter what you do

2) God is not omnipotent. If that is that case, then at least some parts of the Bible are wrong, and neither you nor I have any way of knowing which ones.

3) God does not exist. In which case it's all a bunch of stories and none of this matters.

Option 3 seems the most likely to me.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I am speaking of the unholy one, the Beast.
Sorry, my dad's not the Beast. As I pointed out here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870625861#post1870625861), I am the Beast.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by roger
He's got you by the sack on that one, Nyarl.

I would say his opening post is a feeble attempt at reason. He tried to present evidence, he just presented p!$$ poor evidence.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Sorry, my dad's not the Beast. As I pointed out here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870625861#post1870625861), I am the Beast.

Of the two of you, I would've said Puss, but as you will... :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Sorry, my dad's not the Beast. As I pointed out here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870625861#post1870625861), I am the Beast.

Sorry, but according to this post, number 666, I am the Beast.

Maybe we can share.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Piscivore
Of the two of you, I would've said Puss, but as you will... :D
Nah, Puss is merely the False Prophet. It will be his job to resurrect me after I suffer a blow to the head or something.

Puss: Yeah, just keep thinking that, boss.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Sorry, but according to this post, number 666, I am the Beast.

Maybe we can share.
Man, everyone wants a cut of the action. Well, if I remember from Revelation, there was a beast of the sea and a beast of the land, or something. Which do you want?

[AWPrime]

Beasts from different 'elements'?

Arent that titans?

[The GM]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You just can't handle it when I speak against your father can you? The truth about your father will be revealed!

(Cue James Earl Jones voice over)

Marquis de Carabas, I'm your father.

(/voice over)

With all seriousness, 1inC, why don't you ask some of these people why they believe what they do, maybe learn something about them, about human nature, and if you're lucky, about yourself. You don't have to agree w/ them if you don't want to, but maybe you'll learn something of value.
Just a thought.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Man, everyone wants a cut of the action. Well, if I remember from Revelation, there was a beast of the sea and a beast of the land, or something. Which do you want?

I get massively seasick, so I will take land.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I live outside your materialistic beliefs. Logic, reason, science and all that other wabble babble is useless to me. I know that the Lord watches everything I do and when I die I will enter the Gates.........the Gates of Heaven.


Outside of logic ... Interesting. Truly interesting. Actually, you cannot claim anything then. Tough as it may seem to you ...

P1: If you accept Christ as you Lord and yada yada yada then you will go to heaven
P2: You accept Christ as you Lord and yada yada yada

Conclusion: YOU MAY GO TO HELL http://lord_emsworth.spymac.net/smilies/icon_evil.gif

http://lord_emsworth.spymac.net/smilies/lol.gif

[punchdrunk]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You just can't handle it when I speak against your father can you? The truth about your father will be revealed!

LUKE, I AM YOUR FATHER!

DAmmit - beaten to the punch by the GM

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Man, everyone wants a cut of the action. Well, if I remember from Revelation, there was a beast of the sea and a beast of the land, or something. Which do you want?

Heh, going by my handle, which do you think? :D

[Anathema]

Originally posted by Piscivore
Heh, going by my handle, which do you think? :D

I always wondered: are you anadromous, potadromous or catadromous?

[Scot C. Trypal]

Originally posted by geni
Problem is that according to the bible hell can't be more than 832.5^oF

The old Sulfur B.P. lie!! Come on, geni! That’s absurd naturalistic dogma; it hardly deserves my attention. The scientists on that one web site clearly measured 2000 F, and my mailman’s brother, a scientologist, said he tried to melt sulfur once and he couldn’t even do it.

(Or :) Hell’s atmospheric pressure could be ridiculously high)

One thing I learned by reading the posts in my absence… The Prince of Darkness, the Father of all Lies, is an inventory manager for an electrical wholesaler. Who’d have guessed?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Anathema
I always wondered: are you anadromous, potadromous or catadromous?

My food encompasses all of those; as for myself, I spawned in the desert. :)

[uruk]

May? You will. As soon as you die you will float above your body. You will feel peaceful and happy but you will soon start to shoot straight down. It keeps getting hotter and hotter and you get more and more scared. You hear screams of pain, you are about to enter the Gates of Hell. Once you reach the pit you are in so much pain that you beg someone to kill you. You beg Satan's Angels to just kill you and put you out of pain but they just laugh. You cry and plead with God to let you out but all you get is the feeling of nothing. God does not response and He is not there. God will never hear a word you say or a thought you think. You got your wish, you are seperated from Him.

Well wouldn't hell be like a jacuzzi with really hot water? It would hurt at first but then you would get used to the heat and it'll get more comfortable.

By the way, How could you feel pain if all the nerves are left with your body up on the earth? Also if your in such agony, how would you be able to beg? I mean how can you think through all the mind searing pain? Let some one pinch you really hard with a pair of pliers and if you can hold a thought in your head much less say anything other than "OW! OW! OW!"

[Marquis de Carabas]

All right, we've got three beasts, actually. So Lisa can be the beast from the land, Piscivore's got the sea covered, and I guess I'll be the beast from the bottomless pit.

So, the breakdown...

Lisa, according to Revelation 13:11-18, you've got sheep horns and speak like a dragon. You get to resurrect Piscivore after he gets wounded in the head (apparently my first posts about this were a bit off, sorry Puss), make people worship Piscivore, and, to top it all off, you are the one who goes around slapping barcodes on everyone. Congratulations.

Piscivore, according to Revelation 13:1-8, you've got seven heads and ten horns, with a crown on each horn, you look like a leopard with the feet of a bear, and the mouth of a lion (only one mouth, despite the numerous heads, it seems), one of your heads dies (Lisa's got you covered, don't worry), you blaspheme a lot, and everybody worships you. Good gig.

According to Revelation 11:7, I just show up out of my pit and kill two guys. Not much for me to do, unfortunately. But there's also a dragon, who runs the whole show. So I'll let Puss cover that.

ETA: After reading the first 6 verses of Chapter 11, I now see that those two guys I get to kill can breathe fire, so I feel a little cooler now.

[Anathema]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
you are the one who goes around slapping barcodes on everyone.

Obviously, you haven't the gift of interpreting signs and wonders. The revelation is crystal clear: RFID tags.

Luddite...

;)

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Anathema
Obviously, you haven't the gift of interpreting signs and wonders. The revelation is crystal clear: RFID tags.

Luddite...

;)
Thanks for clearing that up. As noted, I only have to off two preachers, so interpreting isn't my strong suit. :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Anathema
Obviously, you haven't the gift of interpreting signs and wonders. The revelation is crystal clear: RFID tags.

Luddite...

;)

I don't happen to have any RFID tags on hand. However, my husband used to work on barcode printers (he's a software engineer) so we probably have a couple of those lying about the house. I will get to slapping barcodes post haste.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Upchurch Happy to.

You have said that The Bible is God's Word and that God's Word is, by definition, good. In Leviticus 25:44-46:God explains respectively in each verse: who may be taken as slaves, how they may be taken as slaves, and how they are to be kept as slaves by passing them on to future generations.

So, my question is this: Since God's Word not only condones slavery but gives direction in the proper method of slavery, is slavery good?

I'm not 100% sure about your interpretation of this scripture but none the less I will say this, if He condones it than it's good for God can do no wrong.

Now this link (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html) talks about slavery in the Bible.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I'm not 100% sure about your interpretation of this scripture but none the less I will say this, if He condones it than it's good for God can do no wrong.

Now this link (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html) talks about slavery in the Bible.
I give you points for consistency, I guess, but this post is scary, far scarier than the idea of being slow-roasted.

ETA: :eek: Wow, just read the first section of your link. Have you actually read that thing, 1inC? Do you endorse its message?

[1inChrist]

My link makes some good points. What does the word slavery really mean? A slave could be a worker.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
My link makes some good points. What does the word slavery really mean? A slave could be a worker.
Slaves are workers. That's the point. But they are unpaid, and more importantly unfree workers.

Your link tries to justify slavery in the Bible by showing that they were slaves because of their own poverty, not because of the desire of the owners. Even if this is taken to be true, it is irrelevant. The reason someone is a slave makes them no more nor less a slave.

Again, the important point is freedom. Does your God, as he appears to, support and condone the practice of having certain persons beholden to another as a servant with no freedom to change their situation?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Slaves are workers. That's the point. But they are unpaid, and more importantly unfree workers.

Your link tries to justify slavery in the Bible by showing that they were slaves because of their own poverty, not because of the desire of the owners. Even if this is taken to be true, it is irrelevant. The reason someone is a slave makes them no more nor less a slave.

Again, the important point is freedom. Does your God, as he appears to, support and condone the practice of having certain persons beholden to another as a servant with no freedom to change their situation?

I don't know. Maybe. If He does it's ok though because He makes the rules. However I could never imagine Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, Son of God and Sacrifice to the Hellfire being a slave owner.

[Lisa Simpson]

So who are you going to follow, then? Jealous, petty, slavery condoning God? Or his liberal, pacifist son?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I don't know. Maybe. If He does it's ok though because He makes the rules. However I could never imagine Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, Son of God and Sacrifice to the Hellfire being a slave owner.
Again, I grant you points for consistency.

Tell me, for I have oft wondered as I grew up, and no-one has ever provided an answer: after death, a Christian soul in glory with God, is free to leave or not?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Again, I grant you points for consistency.

Tell me, for I have oft wondered as I grew up, and no-one has ever provided an answer: after death, a Christian soul in glory with God, is free to leave or not?

No. Once we are in our eternal homes we cannot leave.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No. Once we are in our eternal homes we cannot leave.
...which would make your God a slave-owner. Thanks for clearing that up.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
So who are you going to follow, then? Jealous, petty, slavery condoning God? Or his liberal, pacifist son?

I will trust what Jesus said about God over what other prophets say. You must interpret the rest of the Bible around the Gospels.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
...which would make your God a slave-owner. Thanks for clearing that up.

NO! If you end up in Heaven it is because you chose to be there.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I will trust what Jesus said about God over what other prophets say. You must interpret the rest of the Bible around the Gospels.

Um...I didn't bring up any other prophets. I thought you would understand 'son' meant Jesus. Who was a flaming liberal.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
NO! If you end up in Heaven it is because you chose to be there.
Irrelevant. Utterly. Completely. Astronomically.

Can I choose, once there, to leave? If your answer remains no, your God remains a slave-owner.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Um...I didn't bring up any other prophets. I thought you would understand 'son' meant Jesus. Who was a flaming liberal.

I know what Son means. I answered your question. I will follow Jesus.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Irrelevant. Utterly. Completely. Astronomically.

Can I choose, once there, to leave? If your answer remains no, your God remains a slave-owner.

I suppose you could go to Hell if you asked God to send you there. Why would you want to though?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I suppose you could go to Hell if you asked God to send you there. Why would you want to though?
So, you're changing your answer? One can leave?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I know what Son means. I answered your question. I will follow Jesus.

Great. Would Jesus own slaves?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Great. Would Jesus own slaves?

I don't believe so.

[1inChrist]

I won that debate.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I won that debate.

Why?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Why?

I have won because I have accepted Him as my Savior.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I have won because I have accepted Him as my Savior.

No, I won the debate because I'm Buddhist and a good person.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
No, I won the debate because I'm Buddhist and a good person.

You are a Buddhist?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are a Buddhist?

And an apathetic agnostic.


And I won the debate.

[1inChrist]

The Truth about Buddha (http://jesus-is-lord.com/newage13.txt).

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
And an apathetic agnostic.


And I won the debate.


But surely you are not attached to the outcome of the debate :p


1inC, have you ever met a Buddhist before?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
But surely you are not attached to the outcome of the debate :p


1inC, have you ever met a Buddhist before?

No, no--not attached. I just felt that if he could win the argument because of his belief in god, then it is just as reasonable that I could win because I follow the teachings of Buddha.

[TruthSeeker]

In fact, I believe I am the winner because my one post was so devastating it was completely ignored.

(I'm also a Buddhist but you can have the points for that :) )

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
The Truth about Buddha (http://jesus-is-lord.com/newage13.txt).


And your point is?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
And your point is?

Read the link and find out.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I won that debate.
You what? Failing to answer questions does not equal winning. (Besides, you have to wait three hours before invoking the argument from bedtime, remember?)

So, then...

Can one choose to leave heaven? I await your final answer.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Read the link and find out.

That is one dense site...could you quote the most pertinent parts - that is, the ones that are relevant to this discussion?

Thanks




(edited for clarity)

[Lisa Simpson]

I read it. I found it to be intolerant and slightly racist.

[Dogwood]

Jesus on the subject of slavery:

Luke 12:42-48

The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time?
It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns.
I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
But suppose the servant says to himself, 'My master is taking a long time in coming,' and he then begins to beat the menservants and maidservants and to eat and drink and get drunk.
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows.
But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

Note: Servant here is originally the Greek "doulos", which meant slave.

Obviously this is a metaphor for man's (the servant) relationship with God (the master). But the choice of such metaphor shows a clear endorsement of the practice. Their are numerous examples of the approval of slavery in the New Testament written by men who purport to speak for Christ.

[roger]

So you think God condones humans owning slaves, but not himself? Okay, fair enough, it's consistant with scripture.

Now, do you also condone burning humans and offering them to God?

I give you Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.


I wonder if you cut your hair or trim your beard? Lev 19:27
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Do you hate your family? You better. I give you luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Did you lie to us? Because you said that accepting Jesus is an act of free will. But the Bible tells me it's because God hardens people's heart so they won't accept Jesus. John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them Also 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Did you lie to us? Because you said that accepting Jesus will get us into heaven. But the Bible has more stringent conditions. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Be not...effeminate... shall not inherit the kindom of God Wow, just acting effeminate, and no heaven for you. I'm pretty sure the bible says something about lying, and it's not good.

It also appears that we must not be unclean. Ephesians 5:5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. I don't need to remind you about all the dietary and other requirements to avoid being unclean.

I assume you approve of selling your daughters? Because the bible allows it: Exodus 21:7And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. How much will you take for yours?

And eating your own kids shouldn't be a problem, right? 2 Kings 6:28-9And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son tomorrow.

6:29
So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son

More lip smaking child eating in Lamentations 2:20-1 Behold, O LORD, and consider to whom thou hast done this. Shall the women eat their fruit, and children of a span long? shall the priest and the prophet be slain in the sanctuary of the Lord?



Or, let's just kill the little buggers. God says it'll make us happy. Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.


I'm thinking robbery must by fine. After all, Paul does it for God: 2 Corinthians 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.


There are plenty more, but let's just start with these, shall we.

[Lisa Simpson]

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

I guess that's all she wrote for Jimmy Swaggert then, huh?

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I won that debate.

no, I won. SMEGhead.

[roger]

Originally posted by Bruce
Not only that, but why would God have to torture and kill his son to save you? He's God! Can't he just save you without torturing and killing his son? Is there a set of rules that God has to follow to save your soul? I know you are trying to get 1inchrist to think, but I'll take a stab at it. If I read the bible correctly, God requires blood to be shed to appease him. There's ample evidence of that in the Old Testament. Sacrificing Jesus on the cross allowed him to shed his blood for all of humanity.

I'm not a biblical scholar, but that's the impression I got. It all comes down to blood sacrifices. God wants blood. I guess since God encourages people to slaughter their own children, he's at least being consistant by slaughtering his own.

It's beyond me how people can read this stuff and not be sickened to their core. What a horrifying philosophy.

[Anathema]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Read the link and find out.
....and the point is: Buddhism is NOT Christianity. Therefore, it's an attractive peach with a nasty worm crawling around inside it.

This is pure preaching to the choir. There is nothing novel or particularly insightful about the article.

NEXT!


BTW, you still haven't responded to my repeat of a repeat of a request for an answer regarding "reason" as used in the Bible and attributed to God. You're trying to squirm away again. Stop that.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
My link makes some good points. What does the word slavery really mean? A slave could be a worker. Funny thing is, the Bible doesn't mention the word "slave" in the portion I quoted. I added that as the modern term for purchasing and keeping human beings as possessions. So if you have a problem with what the word "slave" means, forget about it. Is possessing a person as one would possess an item or animal good?

The link you provided mostly focuses on the human justifications for possession of a person (slavery for short). I'm asking in slavery is good in the eyes of God.I'm not 100% sure about your interpretation of this scripture but none the less I will say this, if He condones it than it's good for God can do no wrong.What a paradox. God can do no wrong, but slavery is a morally bankrupt concept and cannot be good. The only conclusion is that anything that describes God as condoning slavery must be incorrect or mistaken, wouldn't you say?

[cajela]

Originally posted by EdipisReks
no, I won. SMEGhead.

Clearly the only way to win is not to engage in the debate. So I won.


Hang on.


Ooops.

:D

[T'ai Chi]

"Hell: So much for an all-loving God"

[Stitch]

Originally posted by rhoadp
does anybody else besides the US still use this measurement

Does anybody else use "British Thermal Units"?? - Hmmmm, let me think on this. :D

[Stitch]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Should we start one of those unanswered questions threads?

Thread?? Between Luci, 1inC and others we need a forum dedicated to unanswered questions with a thread in there for each of them that we can keep adding to. Not sure how much free disk space we have on this server though

[Z]

I will trust what Jesus said about God over what other prophets say. You must interpret the rest of the Bible around the Gospels.

I find this to be about the most significant thing he's said - The gospels, just four - or is it three? - out of 50 that were written, but these few were chosen by humans to be placed within the Bible. Then, as it turns out, not one of them was written by a contemporary of Jesus, but all were written after his death - in fact, isn't John written almost two centuries later? And as the time between the events and the gospel increases, so to does the fantastic nature of those events increase.

So Jesus goes from being a radical Jewish priest in the earliest Gospel to being the sacrificed Son of God in the latest ones.

Trivia question for 1inChrist: what was Jesus' actual name? Most of these whacko Fundies don't know it - they don't know any of the FACTS about their beloved religion.

Anyway, we're supposed to interpret the Bible around the gospels, which were not written by Jesus at all. So you are actually trusting a variety of post-Jesus writers and what THEY have to say about God, aren't you? You aren't dealing with prophets at all, but with writers of fantasy stories. Well, that explains a lot, thanks.

[The Don]

Silly rabbit........

God made sure that the correct gospels got included in the NT and that the people who wrote the gospels were sufficiently well informed.

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I'm not 100% sure about your interpretation of this scripture but none the less I will say this, if He condones it than it's good for God can do no wrong.

Now this link (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html) talks about slavery in the Bible.

Ahh the old classic, if it doesn't fit, reinterpret it till it does :rolleyes:

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I don't know. Maybe. If He does it's ok though because He makes the rules. However I could never imagine Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, Son of God and Sacrifice to the Hellfire being a slave owner.

From the site you quoted:

i am called to be a 'slave to Christ'...and to obey


So Christ IS a slave owner, all Christians are his slaves and must give up free will to boot huh??

[Stitch]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
You what? Failing to answer questions does not equal winning. (Besides, you have to wait three hours before invoking the argument from bedtime, remember?)

So, then...

Can one choose to leave heaven? I await your final answer.

To give 1inC credit, he did answer that "you could ask God to send you to Hell, but why would you want to".

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Stitch
To give 1inC credit, he did answer that "you could ask God to send you to Hell, but why would you want to".
You forgot the "I suppose..." I read and responded to this reply of his. I want to know if he fully admits to changing his mind on this.

Honestly, though, I expect his time in this thread is over...

[Marquis de Carabas]

Woot! Look at the time. I won this debate.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I won that debate.

What debate? I thought this was one of those zealous rants where you try to convert us to Christianity by threatening us with eternal damnation, oh and saying you love us. Debates require logic and rationality, both of which you deny the use of.

Besides, you can't declare yourself the winner of the debate when you are one of the debators, nob.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Woot! Look at the time. I won this debate.


Congratulations!

I'll add you to the rotation of winners if you'd like.

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Congratulations!

I'll add you to the rotation of winners if you'd like.

I'm still next, right mom?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Congratulations!

I'll add you to the rotation of winners if you'd like.
Puss: What about me? I'm the brains of this operation. The Marquis's a figurehead. You really think a miller's boy writes all this? I deserve a spot on the winner's rotation.

[TruthSeeker]

Yes, Dragonrock next

And the Marquis and Puss will have to share. Sorry

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Yes, Dragonrock next

And the Marquis and Puss will have to share. Sorry
Ha! Stupid cat.

[Dragonrock]

Ha Ha, I get it before you, and your cat

:p

[Marquis de Carabas]

Yeah, but I already won one today. :D

[Anathema]

Can I get an "assist" or "honorable mention" for having a direct question ignored the most times? I mean, I gotta get something out of this...

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Anathema
Can I get an "assist" or "honorable mention" for having a direct question ignored the most times? I mean, I gotta get something out of this...
If your questions have been ignored more than others, sure. But, that's not clear. He ignores an awful lot of queries. We'll need data. :p

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Anathema
Can I get an "assist" or "honorable mention" for having a direct question ignored the most times? I mean, I gotta get something out of this...

Certainly...we could give medals like the Olympics. You can have the Silver.

Also, I will add you to the rotation of winners. I will have to edit that post but I can remember where it is. Being sick really sucks.

[Anathema]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
If your questions have been ignored more than others, sure. But, that's not clear. He ignores an awful lot of queries. We'll need data. :p
Gads. Tallying up all those questions, determinining which ones were answered.....sounds kinda like curing cancer only to get one of those hokey elementary school Science Fair ribbons....

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Anathema
Gads. Tallying up all those questions, determinining which ones were answered.....sounds kinda like curing cancer only to get one of those hokey elementary school Science Fair ribbons....
Hence the reason I'm not collecting the data myself. :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Bruce
What debate? I thought this was one of those zealous rants where you try to convert us to Christianity by threatening us with eternal damnation, oh and saying you love us. Debates require logic and rationality, both of which you deny the use of.

Besides, you can't declare yourself the winner of the debate when you are one of the debators, nob.

Bruce, Bruce, Bruce. You don't understand the rules of debates with 1inC. Logic and rationality are the tools of Satan. "Winning" only requires getting in line and declaring yourself so. I won yesterday, so I can't win today, but I should be up again soon.

[Z]

I win by losing. Works for me. So if I win, I win, and if I don't, I win. Ties are what I hate.

[Z]

Minor point, btw - since God created Satan, and God created Hell, and God offered free will and 'knows everything' - then God also created Evil, and desires that some shall be evil, and some good... All that God creates is Good, according to some, so Evil and Satan are good as well.

Or is Evil not a creation of God? This implies there are other forces than God, even before Creation, and therefore God is not the only Deity in the Universe. Interesting implication. Any comments, 1IC?

[uruk]

Minor point, btw - since God created Satan, and God created Hell, and God offered free will and 'knows everything' - then God also created Evil, and desires that some shall be evil, and some good... All that God creates is Good, according to some, so Evil and Satan are good as well.
I brought this point up before. It never got addressed by 1inChrist. Let's see if he'll respond to it.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Again, I grant you points for consistency.

Tell me, for I have oft wondered as I grew up, and no-one has ever provided an answer: after death, a Christian soul in glory with God, is free to leave or not?

When you said this I thought yea that is a good question (must of been Puss's help;) )

I thought yea why couldnt you leave? it got my attention, so I thought on it and searched through the scriptures on the topic. I had not thought of that before but came to the conclusion that one cant leave. But not for reasons of slavery as suggested.

Life on earth moves forward, not back. Heaven would be a goal one moves forward to. You would not leave it because it would be going back. YOu wouldnt go back to your first job, or go back to the womb. you just dont go back.

So, leaving is maybe not an option, not so much because you are "locked' in but because there would be nothing to leave to as you would be going backwards.

:)

[alfaniner]

So, if I believed all that stuff about the church in the first place, and got past it, why would I go back?

Answer: I won't. I've gone beyond that...

[c4ts]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Yes, Hell is VERY scary but our wonderful Lord died to save us from it!

Even though he created it in the first place... :rolleyes:

[Flaherty]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What if you could know beyond a doubt that the eternal Hellfire exists?

I never believed in hell until you colored the word red. Nice touch.

Nevertheless, after I die I am going to give God an atomic wedgie, make him my beeoch, and then throw his hairy butt into the pit for a few epochs to see how he likes it.

Who's house? MY house!

[Flaherty]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Minor point, btw - since God created Satan, and God created Hell, and God offered free will and 'knows everything' - then God also created Evil, and desires that some shall be evil, and some good... All that God creates is Good, according to some, so Evil and Satan are good as well.

Or is Evil not a creation of God? This implies there are other forces than God, even before Creation, and therefore God is not the only Deity in the Universe. Interesting implication. Any comments, 1IC?

Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

[Anathema]

Originally posted by Flaherty
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Seriously, if you want to get any play out of 1inchChrist, you'll have to lay off the Isaiah stuff. Isaiah (as I've pointed out several times now) is also where God exhorts the faithful to "reason" with Him. And as we've learned, that's all the Devil's domain.

;)

[TruthSeeker]

Where is 1inChrist?

I miss him:(

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Where is 1inChrist?

I miss him:(

Me too, but I figure that someone put him back on his medication. Either that or who ever had their hand in his sock got bored and gave up.

[uruk]

Me too, but I figure that someone put him back on his medication. Either that or who ever had their hand in his sock got bored and gave up.
If he was for real, his "pastor" probably told him to stop asking him questions from this board.

As with most born again fundies, he probably has a pastor that is "guiding" him through his journey through "salvation" (along with extracting a "healthy" donation for the upkeep of his/her church).
1inChrist is probably running to his pastor with these question that we pose to him. His pastor is probably getting tired of the questions and forbade him from posting here again.
Or maybe he's backsliding into whatever hole that caused him to seek "the lord".

[1inChrist]

I prayed for Ny and Steven and I felt His presence. I felt an overwhelming feeling of unbelievers turning away from their sinful behavior and coming to Him. I felt that two unbelievers (Ny and Steven) would be cured by a miracle from the Lord.

This is what I felt. I felt the sickness come from the two unbelievers. I believe God has healed you.

As to where I am, the board was down for days. How am I supposed to come on here if the board is down? For rationalist apologists you sure let that slip by you.

[geni]

The board hasn't been down for days. It ways down for maybe one day.

[Anders]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I prayed for Ny and Steven and I felt His presence. I felt an overwhelming feeling of unbelievers turning away from their sinful behavior and coming to Him. I felt that two unbelievers (Ny and Steven) would be cured by a miracle from the Lord.

This is what I felt. I felt the sickness come from the two unbelievers. I believe God has healed you.

Dear 1inChrist,

I truly respect you personal faith and I would probably go into war just to defend your right to believe what you want. However, I think that you should perhaps ransack your own belief system, and perhaps look into some new directions. That could be a truly spiritual experience for you. It is, and I have lived through it myself, very peaceful to be able to think without having supernatural beings hanging over your shoulder all the time.

The few of us who are atheist are in no way evil humans. We don’t kill people, not in any more extant than perhaps Christians or Muslims. We live our lives quite peacefully, without going to church, we love, we get sick, and eventually we die, and we don’t expect to be swooped up into the heavens, we expect to once again return to earth and in a way give back some life to Earth.

We can debate whether or not God exist until our hands and eyes bleed, but I do not believe that any of us, atheist or Christians, will ever convince that many from the two stands. Perhaps a few will go over to the other side, but those are probably very few.

So why don’t you show some understanding for our point of view, it could be enlightening!

[uruk]

I believe Nylarthotep says he still has the ailment that is afflicting him.