Concluded Views--Homeopathy/TRS

[Kumar]

Hello,

I repeat here my following quoted post in other topic to use it as referance more effectively, specifically & occasionally. Routine discussions to it may be avoided. Thanks.

Originally posted by Kumar

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45968&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Hello all,

In consideration to the discussions held here in various topics & at
http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?p=51370#post51370

It has become well indicative & conclusive that homeopathy/TRS (may be other alt. systems) can have real effects & can be observed & measured in science provided they intend to check it & provide suitable testing technologies for the same. As discussed the effects are as under:-

Observable & Experianced:- by homeopathic/TRS community, mass existing & well distributed since long. ( observable by survey of homeopathic clinics, homeopaths & patients).

Other Types:- All other type effects with least side/adverse or toxic effects than just pure chemical CMS medicines with comparatively more side/adverse or toxic effects, as discussed in above provided link. It can be called by CMS as placebo, self immunity, resistances, CPE, CE, supplements, replacements, surgery, traditionally used chemicals, diet & exercise controls, psyclogical healings, energy healings, other so called alternative systems etc.etc.(accepted as possible).

Quantum & technicals:- Photons effects(as discussed in other thread here), water memory?, magnetic..*Graftings, Energy Propagation etc.(whose testing technologies are still to be provided by modern system),

Possible mode of these effects:- pH balances, body secretions & energy balances.

I think, I am quite reasonable & justified to mention only this much here in short & simple, so repetitions of similarilities & contradictions thus may be avoided, and is also requested accordingly.:)

Thanks & bast wishes.

[Benguin]

It's sad to see you progress in understanding fallacies has been so poor.

I wish you luck improving your English.

[Zombified]

I guess BSM and Rolfe are right, this really is a pointless effort.

Kumar, I have tried several times to explain to you your misunderstandings of physics, magnetism, gravity, quantum mechanics, et cetera ad nauseum. Others have tried on these and other subjects. That you consider your utter and complete confusion to be the final word on these matters suggests that you are simply unwilling to learn from people who are sincerely trying to help you understand.

[Benguin]

Or an incredibly persistent troll

[Kumar]

Why contradictions here. Except you side of 'Quantum & technicals" other points are clear. This point also I am trying to clear.

[Kumar]

To achieve this goal for you, my future plans can be be to check:-

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/imgheat/mceng.gif
Internal Energy (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/inteng.html#c2) & Thermodynamics. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics) :hit: :clap:

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Kumar
To achieve this goal for you, my future plans can be be to check:-


Off you go then, don't let us stop you.

[Benguin]

Originally posted by Kumar
To achieve this goal for you, my future plans can be be to check:-

Internal Energy (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/inteng.html#c2) & Thermodynamics. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics) :hit: :clap:

You seem to be attempting to combine nuclear physics with newtonian principles, whilst not really understanding conventional theory about either.

Best of luck, I'm sure you'll come up with something interesting.

[Kumar]

Have you followed it?

To achieve goal for you?:) I am technically bit poor in science--no matter even if rich in logics. I therefore, can just indicate--not settle in science. But any technical person alike you people, who can show technically with science any concept can probably, only WIN $ 1M prize. Therefore, is it not absolutely/only/mostly for you ?????;) I just :con2: :D :hit: for this. Educated humans have MIND to understand deeply & GAIN, if he/she can become BELIEVER.:)

[Benguin]

Originally posted by Kumar
I am technically bit poor in science--no matter even if rich in logics.

Half right.

I therefore, can just indicate--not settle in science.

Please try to understand we have better things to waste our time on. Like reading about penguins.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Benguin
Half right.



Please try to understand we have better things to waste our time on.

Was that penguin plane-watching club a success?

http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/BAS_Science/Programmes/Independent/penguin_helos.html

I see the Navy claims that you don't always fall on your bums when planes pass over. I think I detect a cover-up conspiracy on behalf of the penguin illuminati.

http://www.navynews.co.uk/articles/2000/0011/0000110601.asp

[Benguin]

I had heard that one ... my fave is the second one here (http://penguin-place.com/post/index5.html). I just don't care if it gets debunked, I'm going to keep believing it. Call me woo if you want.

Where was it you said you'd taken the family on holiday (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3730574.stm) again?

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Benguin

Where was it you said you'd taken the family on holiday (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3730574.stm) again?

Good grief. You try to take Mrs BSM back to visit the old country and you end up in the damn papers.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Benguin
I had heard that one ... my fave is the second one here (http://penguin-place.com/post/index5.html). I just don't care if it gets debunked, I'm going to keep believing it. Call me woo if you want.

I've always liked this other Falklands related piece of urban mythology, except I think this one is true.

http://crossroads-soap-opera.wikiverse.org/

Now, I'm sure that they were also told to stop calling the Bennies...oops, I mean Falkland Islanders, Stills, so they came up with another ingenious name for them, but I can't remember it and Google has let me down.

[Kumar]

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/imgheat/intenergycon.gif

What aboutThermodynamic Potentials? (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/thepot.html#c1)

Internal Energy
Internal energy is defined as the energy associated with the random, disordered motion of molecules. It is separated in scale from the macroscopic ordered energy associated with moving objects; it refers to the invisible microscopic energy on the atomic and molecular scale. For example, a room temperature glass of water sitting on a table has no apparent energy, either potential or kinetic . But on the microscopic scale it is a seething mass of high speed molecules traveling at hundreds of meters per second.

[Zombified]

Kumar, you need to be willing to reconsider the views you think are concluded above if you are going to make any progress.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Kumar


Internal Energy
Internal energy is defined as the energy associated with the random, disordered motion of molecules.

Or as I have already told you;

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
No one is denying that energy can be transferred from one system to another, but that energy obeys the rules of thermodynamics. What homeopathy requires is for information to pass in a coherent manner through all the processing stages, and indeed be amplifed, or "potentised". Unfortunately, what actually happens is that homepathic processing increases entropy.

Listen, Kumar. Learn, Kumar.

[Kumar]

"No one is denying that energy can be transferred from one system to another, but that energy obeys the rules of thermodynamics. What homeopathy requires is for information to pass in a coherent manner through all the processing stages, and indeed be amplifed, or "potentised". Unfortunately, what actually happens is that homepathic processing increases entropy."

BSM, Can you simplify it?

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Kumar
".... what actually happens is that homepathic processing increases entropy."

BSM, Can you simplify it? Oooh, BSM, he thinks that this increase in entropy is what distinguishes and characterises the homoeopathic remedy, and gives it its efficacy.

Get out of that if you can!

Rolfe.

[Benguin]

Entropy is a vet word meaning potency. You've got him cornered Kumar, go for the kill.

:D