Question for 1inChrist

[kedo1981]

Question for 1inChrist

You are commanded by God (it is without a doubt the big guy his self (burning bush method of godly ID) to hijack a 747 and crash it into the nearest sky scraper. Don’t wuss out and claim it mustn’t be God telling to you do this evil act (it’s 100 percent certain that it is god); what do you do?

[Cosmo]

He'd do it, of course. After all, God and his word are both infallible, right? And if we don't understand it, that doesn't mean we should ignore it. :rolleyes:

[Gulliamo]

My bookie says, "The odds are with Cosmo" on this one.

[c4ts]

Yes.

Nobody has replied! I win the debate!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by c4ts
Yes.

Nobody has replied! I win the debate!

I think that only works if 1inC is participating in the "debate".

[c4ts]

No, it only works if I participate in the debate. For example, if 1inC is challenged and does not participate, the debate is still winnable for me as long as I am there.

[Ratman_tf]

I couldn't get to the forums yesterday and missed 1inC's shotgun postings. :( While I think he's a loon, at least he's an interesting loon. Like checking out the Weekly World News at the checkstand.

"HELLFIRE FOUND IN LOCAL MAN'S TOILET! DAMNED SOULS CLOGGING DRAIN!" :D

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by kedo1981
Question for 1inChrist

You are commanded by God (it is without a doubt the big guy his self (burning bush method of godly ID) to hijack a 747 and crash it into the nearest sky scraper. Don’t wuss out and claim it mustn’t be God telling to you do this evil act (it’s 100 percent certain that it is god); what do you do?

If the Lord instructed me to do something, I would follow His commands. The Lord is my Creator and Master. If He calls upon me for a mission, I will complete it.

[1inChrist]

HELLFIRE FOUND IN LOCAL MAN'S TOILET! DAMNED SOULS CLOGGING DRAIN!" :D

There have been thousands of reports of city workers hearing the screams of Hell from the sewers.

[Scot C. Trypal]

While you’re taking questions…

Once again, would you post a link to the forum where your account of healing one of its members may be verified?

Probably shouldn't be, but I’m still uncertain regarding your trolliness. A record of your past internet exploits, especially your claimed healing, would be a mark in your relatively tiny “he’s serious� box.

You’ve been fun, sure, but inquiring minds want to know...

[Lisa Simpson]

Does anyone else find this as ironic as I do?

1inChrist
Critical Thinker

Registered: Sep 2004
Location:
Posts: 374

[Darat]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There have been thousands of reports of city workers hearing the screams of Hell from the sewers.

Really? Any links to actual verified accounts? Or recordings? Isn’t this just a variant on the made-up story the USA "Weekly.." something or other published about the miners in Russia a few years ago?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There have been thousands of reports of city workers hearing the screams of Hell from the sewers.

So Hell connects to various cities' municipal water and sewer systems?

Fascinating.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Does anyone else find this as ironic as I do?

1inChrist
Critical Thinker

Registered: Sep 2004
Location:
Posts: 374

I hadn't noticed it, but now that you mention it.......

[Lisa Simpson]

Are there reports of people who have climbed Mt. Everest (or some other tall mountain) heard heaven?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
[B]While you’re taking questions…

Once again, would you post a link to the forum where your account of healing one of its members may be verified?

It was a bravenet Christian forum but I don't know the URL to it anymore. Sorry :(

I don't think the person was pulling my leg or anything because they seemed sincere.

Don't worry though it will be proven right before your eyes that the power of the Lord and I can heal.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I hadn't noticed it, but now that you mention it.......

Am I missing something????????????? What's ironic?

[Darat]

Here's a bit about that Russian story, appears someone just made it all up.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/drilltohellfacts.htm

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Am I missing something????????????? What's ironic?

If you don't get it on your own, I couldn't explain it to you.

[1inChrist]

How are you feeling Ny? Do you feel His Glory?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
If you don't get it on your own, I couldn't explain it to you.

TELL ME PLEASE!!! It's driving me nuts! I want to know!!!

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
How are you feeling Ny? Do you feel His Glory?

I feel the same as always. The physical symptoms associated with my tumor have not disapeared.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If the Lord instructed me to do something, I would follow His commands. The Lord is my Creator and Master. If He calls upon me for a mission, I will complete it.

I am never getting on a plane with you.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
TELL ME PLEASE!!! It's driving me nuts! I want to know!!!

::sigh:: The irony is that anyone could ever think of you as being a critical thinker.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
::sigh:: The irony is that anyone could ever think of you as being a critical thinker.

Why not? My last argument stood it's ground and was unable to be refuted.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There have been thousands of reports of city workers hearing the screams of Hell from the sewers.
Those wouldn't be the same sewers I've heard were infested by vampire babies, would they?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Why not? My last argument stood it's ground and was unable to be refuted.
Mmmmm irrefutability. That's a good one.

Say, did you know I have seven fingers on my left hand?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Why not? My last argument stood it's ground and was unable to be refuted.

It was unable to be refuted...except by everyone who did.

Mmm...insane troll logic

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Why not? My last argument stood it's ground and was unable to be refuted.

That is ridiculous. That is like me saying that Elvis is standing behind me, dictating this post and declaring that as proof that Elvis lives when you are unable to refute me.

Your argument was a parade of logical fallacies strung together like pearls in a necklace. The fact that you would not ACCEPT any refutation does not equate to your argument standing up.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Those wouldn't be the same sewers I've heard were infested by vampire babies, would they?

Why do you think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles live in the sewer? So they can get their instructions right from Satan on how to corrupt the nation's children.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Splinter=Satan? It all makes sense now.

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
If you don't get it on your own, I couldn't explain it to you.

OK, Ny won that debate (using the Argument by Argument. I.E. "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you". -- see the other thread).

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Splinter=Satan? It all makes sense now.

Sure. There are reports that "satan" in Hebrew means "little bit of wood that gets under the skin and hurts like anything".

ETA: And you notice of course there are four turtles, like the four Horsemen. You have to pay attention to these things- these connections are everywhere

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by alfaniner
OK, Ny won that debate (using the Argument by Argument. I.E. "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you". -- see the other thread).

But was that exchange really a debate?

[Zombified]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Am I missing something????????????? What's ironic?
Hmm... how to explain "ironic" to 1inChrist...

[Gestahl]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Does anyone else find this as ironic as I do?

1inChrist
Critical Thinker

Registered: Sep 2004
Location:
Posts: 374

That is not ironic. Just coincidental incongruity.

/Irony nazi

[Zombified]

Originally posted by Gestahl
That is not ironic. Just coincidental incongruity.

/Irony nazi
That too.

[Scot C. Trypal]

It was a bravenet Christian forum but I don't know the URL to it anymore. Sorry :(

I don't think the person was pulling my leg or anything because they seemed sincere.

Don't worry though it will be proven right before your eyes that the power of the Lord and I can heal.

Oh well. I won't worry, but I'll hang in for the punchline, mirraculous healing, whatever.

Am I missing something????????????? What's ironic?

It's like rain on your wedding day, or, say, a black fly in your Chardonnay. Wait. That’s not ironic either. Not ironic at all.

Curse you, Alanis Morissette!!!!

[Quinn]

Originally posted by Gestahl
That is not ironic. Just coincidental incongruity.

/Irony nazi

Pointing that out doesn't make you nazi-like. Just pedantic.

/Pedantry pedant

[Kitty Chan]

Another Question if its possible

Someone mentioned 1inChrist that you are directed by your pastor or whoever. Im thinking 1 its a good idea, you should type up your arguements and let the pastor or someone else look at them.

In what you say I think I know where your going sometimes but it gets lost. And you started with a prophecy *which may just be a word of knowledge as I understand things not a prophecy) and now you are speaking about healing. Now the voices from sewers, go to about.com and look up Christian Urban myths its there too along with others.

So, will you take your arguements to your pastor first before bringing them here, I think he may be able to help you sort them out a bit before posting so the frustration level can be lowered.

:)

If you dont have anyone to talk to you can always pm me if you want.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal


Curse you, Alanis Morissette!!!!

Alanis is god, dont you know?? ;)

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by alfaniner
OK, Ny won that debate (using the Argument by Argument. I.E. "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you". -- see the other thread).

Not only that, It's my turn to win the debate anyway.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
Another Question if its possible

Someone mentioned 1inChrist that you are directed by your pastor or whoever. Im thinking 1 its a good idea, you should type up your arguements and let the pastor or someone else look at them.

No I am not directed by him. I am directed by Him.

[b]In what you say I think I know where your going sometimes but it gets lost. And you started with a prophecy *which may just be a word of knowledge as I understand things not a prophecy) and now you are speaking about healing. Now the voices from sewers, go to about.com and look up Christian Urban myths its there too along with others.

Obviously the authory of the urban myths page is an atheist.

So, will you take your arguements to your pastor first before bringing them here, I think he may be able to help you sort them out a bit before posting so the frustration level can be lowered.

I have a pastor I speak with, yes. He is a good man. We have identical views. Let me tell you, if you want to cast out Satan's influence from your mind, you should attend one of his sermons.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No I am not directed by him. I am directed by Him.

I have a pastor I speak with, yes. He is a good man. We have identical views. Let me tell you, if you want to cast out Satan's influence from your mind, you should attend one of his sermons.

So you're not directed by your pastor, yet you share the same views and attend his sermons? Please explain.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by c4ts
So you're not directed by your pastor, yet you share the same views and attend his sermons? Please explain.

He's my friend. We are both brothers in Christ. Ofcourse we share the same view. There is only ONE Christian view. It's the liberals who have made all these other translations and denominations.

[c4ts]

So what would happen if you didn't attend one of his sermons?

[Lisa Simpson]

Go straight to hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by c4ts
So what would happen if you didn't attend one of his sermons?

Nothing. I have not attended his sermons before. I have been sick before.

[Lisa Simpson]

You can't faith heal yourself?

[c4ts]

Aha! 1inC is undermining Church authority, preventing the spread of the ONE true Christian view!

[1inChrist]

I CAN'T GO IF I AM ILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[c4ts]

Sorry, I thought you said you had not gone before.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
He's my friend. We are both brothers in Christ. Ofcourse we share the same view. There is only ONE Christian view. It's the liberals who have made all these other translations and denominations.

Wrong. There only true view is the catholic view. People have split away from this view by both being more liberlel and more fundimentalist (this view is supported by about 1 billion people and is historical based in slightly more evidence than your position).

Ok so I take the view that there are sevel ligit views but I think the above makes a better case than you do.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by c4ts
Sorry, I thought you said you had not gone before.

Yeah I re-read what I posted and formed my sentence wrong. What I meant to say was I have had to miss some of his sermons because of illness before.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by geni
Wrong. There only true view is the catholic view. People have split away from this view by both being more liberlel and more fundimentalist (this view is supported by about 1 billion people and is historical based in slightly more evidence than your position).

Ok so tike the view that there are sevel ligit views but I think the above makes a better case than you do.

Nope. Catholics believe absurd things and they worship the Virgin Mary.

Also the pope has been proven to be working for Satan, not God.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Nope. Catholics believe absurd things and they worship the Virgin Mary.

Not true. While the marists run it a little close catholics do not worship mary. Feel free to show otherwise


Also the pope has been proven to be working for Satan, not God. [/B]

Ok lets see this proof.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
There have been thousands of reports of city workers hearing the screams of Hell from the sewers.

You ever go to Landover Baptist Church?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by geni
Not true. While the marists run it a little close catholics do not worship mary. Feel free to show otherwise

WRONG! (http://jesus-is-lord.com/praymary.htm)

WRONG! 2 (http://jesus-is-lord.com/cath.htm)

Ok lets see this proof.

WRONG! 3 (http://jesus-is-lord.com/popemary.htm)

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
You ever go to Landover Baptist Church?

No. What state is this church in?

[Lisa Simpson]

I didn't see anything that proves that the Pope works for Satan. Independent proof that is...not some loony with a website.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I didn't see anything that proves that the Pope works for Satan. Independent proof that is...not some loony with a website.

He's not a loony. That website is one of the only TRUE Christian sites out there. Everything else is PC liberal garbage.

[Lisa Simpson]

And it is not proof that the Pope works for Satan. Do you not understand what constitutes proof?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
And it is not proof that the Pope works for Satan. Do you not understand what constitutes proof?

Fine than.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No. What state is this church in?

Apparently the same you're in. State of confusion.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Hey! You can get WWJD thongs! Awesome!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Fine than.

Fine than, what?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Fine than, what?

Nothing.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
Apparently the same you're in. State of confusion.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Hey! You can get WWJD thongs! Awesome!

That was funny as...well, hell. This was my favorite part:

We have a permanent injunction against all unsaved persons. If you are unsaved, you are not allowed within a 10-mile radius of our church, nor are you allowed on this website. Kindly leave, and be about the Devil's business, for you are not welcome here. Glory!

What happens if you are not saved and you come within 10 miles of the church? You explode into dust?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Nothing.

So you admit defeat?

Yay! I win again, I win again, I win again.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
So you admit defeat?

Yay! I win again, I win again, I win again.

I admit you are an ignoramus.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I admit you are an ignoramus.

Ooh, so you are trying to win with the argument by childish name-calling, huh? Well, sticks and stones, my friend.

Why don't you try showing us some proof, instead of name calling. It would certainly be different for you.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
Apparently the same you're in. State of confusion.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

Hey! You can get WWJD thongs! Awesome!

Some of the things they teach I agree with. Like John Kerry. However the whole you cannot come to my church thing if you aren't saved is wrong. We MUST welcome the unsaved into our Churches so we can show them the Glory of the Lord.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Ooh, so you are trying to win with the argument by childish name-calling, huh? Well, sticks and stones, my friend.

Why don't you try showing us some proof, instead of name calling. It would certainly be different for you.

I've already mounted your head on my wall.

[Lisa Simpson]

Click on the about landoverbaptist.com link on the bottom of the site, 1inC.

[1inChrist]

Also the whole thong thing is totally wrong. You should not encourage women into wearing such clothing as it brings temptation. It's hard for me fight the temptation sometimes because of the sinful clothing women wear these days.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I've already mounted your head on my wall.

Really? Proof, please.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Also the whole thong thing is totally wrong. You should not encourage women into wearing such clothing as it brings temptation. It's hard for me fight the temptation sometimes because of the sinful clothing women wear these days.

For Ed's sake! It's a parody!

The Landover Baptist Church is a complete work of fiction. It is a satire/parody.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG! (http://jesus-is-lord.com/praymary.htm)

WRONG! 2 (http://jesus-is-lord.com/cath.htm)



WRONG! 3 (http://jesus-is-lord.com/popemary.htm)

Now my turn for a link I feel

http://www.catholic.com/library/anti_catholicism.asp

(If your woundering why I know abouit this link it's because I've got this page bookmarked http://www.catholic.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p1.asp quite an interesting read)

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
For Ed's sake! It's a parody!

Oh I see. It's one of those stupid atheist websites making fun of Christian beliefs. Should of known.

[Lisa Simpson]

It puts the 'fun' in fundamental.

I don't make fun of Christians (or people of any religious persuasion) who practice their faith with compassion. You don't. Your version of Christianity is intolerant and hateful. But as a troll, you are one in a million, 1inC. :D

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by geni
Now my turn for a link I feel

http://www.catholic.com/library/anti_catholicism.asp

(If your woundering why I know abouit this link it's because I've got this page bookmarked http://www.catholic.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p1.asp quite an interesting read)

Catholics won't admit to their sinful behavior. They are trying to steer people away from Christ.

[geni]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Catholics won't admit to their sinful behavior. They are trying to steer people away from Christ.

Prosidants wont admit they are wrong about catholics they are afaraid of lossing memebers (with the exception of the high angigans who are just are most catholic than the catholics). Right now we've exchanged biased links do you have anything from some slighrtly less biased sources?

[Cosmo]

You've said a number of times that you're not catholic, 1inC. Out of sheer curiousity, what particular brand of Christianity do you subscribe to?

[SezMe]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I have a pastor I speak with, yes. He is a good man. We have identical views. Let me tell you, if you want to cast out Satan's influence from your mind, you should attend one of his sermons.

OK, I'd actually really like to hear this guy. Where to I go?

And if it's not local to me, is there a web site I can visit?

Thanks.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Oh I see. It's one of those stupid atheist websites making fun of Christian beliefs. Should of known.
Aaaauuugghhh!!!!! (Puss: Calm down, Marquis. Resist the urge...) I can't take it anymore. Should have, should have, should HAVE HAVE HAVE.

Puss: There, there, miller boy. Feel better?
MdC: Yes, sorry about that.

edited to add comma

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
Another Question if its possible

Someone mentioned 1inChrist that you are directed by your pastor or whoever. Im thinking 1 its a good idea, you should type up your arguements and let the pastor or someone else look at them.

Responded by 1inChrist
No I am not directed by him. I am directed by Him.


Response from Kitty Chan
I understand that you are directed by Him (btw which Him are you referring to, Christ, God, or the Holy Spirit) Im speaking about your pastor specifically if you have specificially shown him what you are talking about with us.


In what you say I think I know where your going sometimes but it gets lost. And you started with a prophecy *which may just be a word of knowledge as I understand things not a prophecy) and now you are speaking about healing. Now the voices from sewers, go to about.com and look up Christian Urban myths its there too along with others.

Obviously the authory of the urban myths page is an atheist.

Here is his credentials

Experience:
Rev. Henderson has led churches in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut and has served as a chaplain at Princeton University. He is the organizing pastor of the First Church of Cyberspace and is the author of numerous articles and books including God and Science (Hypertext Edition, in progress). Henderson directs an interfaith organization, The Association for Religion and Intellectual Life, and publishes CrossCurrents, an academic quarterly.
Education:
Rev. Henderson is a Presbyterian minister (PCUSA), a graduate of Princeton University and Union Theological Seminary.

Also what about the rest of my question?



So, will you take your arguements to your pastor first before bringing them here, I think he may be able to help you sort them out a bit before posting so the frustration level can be lowered.

I have a pastor I speak with, yes. He is a good man. We have identical views. Let me tell you, if you want to cast out Satan's influence from your mind, you should attend one of his sermons.

I did not speak if he was a good man I hope he is what I would like to know is as I have said before have you actually shown him these threads?

If you dont want to disclose the specific church thats fine is there a main web site for all the churches, or at the very least can you post your churches statement of beliefs? Im not very good with labels but my personal feeling is perhaps Word Faith?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Catholics won't admit to their sinful behavior. They are trying to steer people away from Christ.

So you are saying that though Christ lived in the first century, there were no Christians until the sixteenth? Because until the 16th century, the Catholic church was the only game in town, as far as Christianity goes.

One would think that given 16 centuries of monopoly over Christianity, that if they were trying to turn people away from Christ, they could have done it quite easily by simply folding.

Another fascinating belief on your part.

[cbish]

1 in Christ,

Where did evil come from?

[geni]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
So you are saying that though Christ lived in the first century, there were no Christians until the sixteenth? Because until the 16th century, the Catholic church was the only game in town, as far as Christianity goes.

One would think that given 16 centuries of monopoly over Christianity, that if they were trying to turn people away from Christ, they could have done it quite easily by simply folding.

Another fascinating belief on your part.

Well there was the eastern orthodox chruches and the copic church and a few other odds and ends.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I have a pastor I speak with, yes. He is a good man. We have identical views. Let me tell you, if you want to cast out Satan's influence from your mind, you should attend one of his sermons.
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So there is a pastor (and presumably a congregation) out there, who just like NoneinChrist, believes in the Catholic trinity, but thinks Catholics aren't Christians, and who just like NoneinChrist, rejects Jesus as the means to salvation, (substituting another Catholic icon, simply repenting) and rejects the literal word of the Bible (substituting the claim that Lilith wasn't here before Eve)...

Anyone want to bet it is a Sooper Seekrit Church that none of us can be told about?

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by cbish
1 in Christ,

Where did evil come from?

More to the point, speaking in terms of Christian doctrine, where did Satan come from?


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'For God so loved the world that he gave His....








.....favorite angel Lucifer, that Man might truly have free will'.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by geni
Well there was the eastern orthodox chruches and the copic church and a few other odds and ends.

True, I was thinking mostly of Western/Northern Europe and forgot those.

But still I doubt 1inChrist is extolling the virtues of the Eastern Orhtodox Church or any of those. Especially since he said the 'King James' version of the bible is the only one that could be trusted and that is not the version they use.

[uruk]

Re: Question for 1inChrist

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Originally posted by kedo1981
Question for 1inChrist

You are commanded by God (it is without a doubt the big guy his self (burning bush method of godly ID) to hijack a 747 and crash it into the nearest sky scraper. Don’t wuss out and claim it mustn’t be God telling to you do this evil act (it’s 100 percent certain that it is god); what do you do?
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If the Lord instructed me to do something, I would follow His commands. The Lord is my Creator and Master. If He calls upon me for a mission, I will complete it.

Man that is the scariest thing I've heard all day.
Scariest thing next to: "And now a back to back musical marathon of Barry Manilow and The Manhattan Transfer!"

[SezMe]

Originally posted by crimresearch
So there is a pastor (and presumably a congregation) out there, who just like NoneinChrist, believes in the Catholic trinity, but thinks Catholics aren't Christians, and who just like NoneinChrist, rejects Jesus as the means to salvation, (substituting another Catholic icon, simply repenting) and rejects the literal word of the Bible (substituting the claim that Lilith wasn't here before Eve)...

Anyone want to bet it is a Sooper Seekrit Church that none of us can be told about?
Just a reminder that several posts ago I politely asked 1inC for contact information for his congregation and he has ignored me.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
So you are saying that though Christ lived in the first century, there were no Christians until the sixteenth? Because until the 16th century, the Catholic church was the only game in town, as far as Christianity goes.



I was reading an article on the history of Christianity at religioustolerance.org, and came across this:

There is the conflicting view of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS; the Mormons). Their founder, Joseph Smith (1805-1844), taught a theology of restorationism: He preached that the true Christian church died out in the early 2nd century CE, and did not survive in any form until he restored it as the LDS Church, early in the 19th century.

Do Mormons believe this or is the website mistaken?

[Nyarlathotep]

Do Mormons believe this or is the website mistaken? [/B]

It jibes pretty well with what I was taught back in the days I was Mormon. So I would say, yes they do beleive this.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
It jibes pretty well with what I was taught back in the days I was Mormon. So I would say, yes they do beleive this.

But I dont think Mormons are big into faith healing and I dont get the impression they talk about the devil alot??



Im still waiting for 1inC's response too

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
But I dont think Mormons are big into faith healing and I dont get the impression they talk about the devil alot??


Oh, I don't think 1inC is a Mormon. I was just reading up on Christian history and I found that a fascinating idea. I knew there was at least one ex-Mormon here, and I thought I'd ask. Another interesting church from the same page is this:

The "Two by Twos" church (a.k.a. Irvinites, The Jesus-Way, No-Name Church, etc) teach that their group was founded by Jesus. They maintained a very low profile since the first century CE. It survived until today as the only true Christian church. They feel that they have been continually persecuted by other Christian groups "which from the earliest times have diluted and perverted the true gospel."

I find it interesting that so many groups think of themselves as the 'one true church'. They can't all be right, however.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
But I dont think Mormons are big into faith healing and I dont get the impression they talk about the devil alot??


You'd be surprised. They just don't call it faith healing. But 1inChrist shows no signs of being a Mormon as far as I can tell either. So I am pretty confident he isn't.

[Kitty Chan]

Thats why I was thinking Word Faith but they believe in Jesus as saviour and someone said in 1in does not so Im confused? Or was it just a misquote?

Im really interested if he has broght this up to his pastor or not. . .

[crimresearch]

He posted that the way to salvation was to repent before God as he had, and when I specifically asked him about the creed that the only way to salvation was to accept Christ as his savior, he was adamant that that was a total misinterpretation of the Bible...

[Kitty Chan]

(Im speaking from a christian view now)

How could that be a misinterpertation of the Bible? That totally confuses things or confirms them. He is not totally clear in what he says, he has a idea generally going somewhere but it tends to wander off and get lost.

This is why I want to know if he has spoken to his pastor, call it accountability something God kinda likes. ;)

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
Obviously the authory of the urban myths page is an atheist.

Here is his credentials

Experience:
Rev. Henderson has led churches in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut and has served as a chaplain at Princeton University. He is the organizing pastor of the First Church of Cyberspace and is the author of numerous articles and books including God and Science (Hypertext Edition, in progress). Henderson directs an interfaith organization, The Association for Religion and Intellectual Life, and publishes CrossCurrents, an academic quarterly.
Education:
Rev. Henderson is a Presbyterian minister (PCUSA), a graduate of Princeton University and Union Theological Seminary.
OH SNAP YO!

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by SezMe
Just a reminder that several posts ago I politely asked 1inC for contact information for his congregation and he has ignored me.

And note that he is now back on the forum, and posting, but still won't reveal the secret church he belongs to...I wonder if that means that God has instructed him not to let anyone else hear the True Word?

[1inChrist]

So there is a pastor (and presumably a congregation) out there, who just like NoneinChrist, believes in the Catholic trinity, but thinks Catholics aren't Christians, and who just like NoneinChrist, rejects Jesus as the means to salvation, (substituting another Catholic icon, simply repenting) and rejects the literal word of the Bible (substituting the claim that Lilith wasn't here before Eve)...

Anyone want to bet it is a Sooper Seekrit Church that none of us can be told about?

I call him my pastor but he's not offical nor is his Church offical or tax exempt. He turned his garage into his own Church. Every Sunday me and about 10 other people go to his Church to hear his wonderul sermon.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Does he make Kool-Aid?

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
He turned his garage into his own Church. Every Sunday me and about 10 other people go to his Church to hear his wonderul sermon.

Do you know, I had to re-read this several times. I actually saw it saying "he turned his garbage into his own Church."

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I call him my pastor but he's not offical nor is his Church offical or tax exempt. He turned his garage into his own Church. Every Sunday me and about 10 other people go to his Church to hear his wonderul sermon.

Why do I get visions of Waco?

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I call him my pastor but he's not offical nor is his Church offical or tax exempt. He turned his garage into his own Church. Every Sunday me and about 10 other people go to his Church to hear his wonderul sermon.

That's fine, and pretty much how people like George Fox spread the Word when they rejected the steeplehouses...
but God told *them* to include as many people as possible, and you are teliing as few people as possible, and not letting anyone else be saved...why is that?

[1inChrist]

That's fine, and pretty much how people like George Fox spread the Word when they rejected the steeplehouses...
but God told *them* to include as many people as possible, and you are teliing as few people as possible, and not letting anyone else be saved...why is that?

He allows anyone to come to his Church.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Do you know, I had to re-read this several times. I actually saw it saying "he turned his garbage into his own Church."

I originally made a typo and typed ''garbage'' but I quickly fixed it.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
He allows anyone to come to his Church.

By instructing you to keep it a secret from those who want salvation?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by crimresearch
By instructing you to keep it a secret from those who want salvation?

I'm not keeping it a secret!

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I originally made a typo and typed ''garbage'' but I quickly fixed it.

Ah. Thanks for the reassurance to my eyesight...but perhaps it was a Freudian slip?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Ah. Thanks for the reassurance to my eyesight...but perhaps it was a Freudian slip?

What do you mean?

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I'm not keeping it a secret!

Where exactly is the place that your pastor preaches, and how can one come hear him speak the True Word, and be saved?

'Sez Me' asked you this as well, and you have kept your churche's location secret from everyone here...some of whom are wanting salvation...why do you not give a straightforward, helpful answer?

.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What do you mean?

You don't know what the term means, or you don't think it applies here? In the former case, try using the Internet. It's new, but it seems popular with the young people. In the latter case....well, it's your subconscious, not mine!

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by crimresearch
Where exactly is the place that your pastor preaches, and how can one come hear him speak the True Word, and be saved?

'Sez Me' asked you this as well, and you have kept your churche's location secret from everyone here...some of whom are wanting salvation...why do you not give a straightforward, helpful answer?

.

You want to know his home address?

[The Cats Venm]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You want to know his home address?

No, just the church's address. He doesn't live in the church or preach at home does he?

[Stitch]

Originally posted by The Cats Venm
No, just the church's address. He doesn't live in the church or preach at home does he?

Apparently he preaches from his garage, so my guess is the address is one and the same.

May I suggest that nothing more detailed than a town is given out on here. If people really want to visit the church / garage they should PM 1inC for the address.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
You don't know what the term means, or you don't think it applies here? In the former case, try using the Internet. It's new, but it seems popular with the young people. In the latter case....well, it's your subconscious, not mine!

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!

Calm down!!

Freudian slip (From dictionary.com)
A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion.

The reference was to the typo "garbage" when referring to your church. It was meant to be a joke - I think!

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Stitch
Apparently he preaches from his garage, so my guess is the address is one and the same.

May I suggest that nothing more detailed than a town is given out on here. If people really want to visit the church / garage they should PM 1inC for the address.

He turned it into a Glorious Church.

[uruk]

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Originally posted by 1inChrist
I call him my pastor but he's not offical nor is his Church offical or tax exempt. He turned his garage into his own Church. Every Sunday me and about 10 other people go to his Church to hear his wonderul sermon.
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Does he ask for donations?

[Stitch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
He turned it into a Glorious Church.

Interesting - the former vicar of the parish I live in used to be quite outspoken about the irrelevance of churches and how they were becoming a false idol. JC should be in your heart and you should be praying wherever you are, the location is unimportant only the prayer. I am surprised that you don't hold similar views.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Stitch
The reference was to the typo "garbage" when referring to your church. It was meant to be a joke - I think!

Yep, just a joke. I never take Freudian slips seriously since my own embarrassing experience. At work the day after Halloween, a coworker offered me some leftover Reese's Pieces. Distractedly, I answered, quite loudly, "no thank you, I don't really like Reese's Penis."

[TruthSeeker]

1inC, I'm curious and a bit concerned. Have you ever belonged to another church? How did you find this pastor? What does your family think about your involvement with him?

Thanks

[SezMe]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Does he make Kool-Aid?
ROTFLMAO!

[Ipecac]

O-kay.

Garage church. Ten members.

If true, explains quite a lot.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Ipecac
O-kay.

Garage church. Ten members.

If true, explains quite a lot.

Really does make it seem like the lunatic fringe, doesn't it?

[Darat]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Really does make it seem like the lunatic fringe, doesn't it?

I don’t think 10 even qualifies it as a "fringe", more like the lunatic fuzz.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Darat
I don’t think 10 even qualifies it as a "fringe", more like the lunatic fuzz.

They've enough to get together a bowling team or two.

[Z]

Originally posted by Stitch
Why do I get visions of Waco?

Geez, I just read this...

Quit peeking in my window!

Rev. WACO T... :D

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
They've enough to get together a bowling team or two. Yeah, but to be a lunatic fringe, you have to be able to make a soccer/football team.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Ipecac
O-kay.

Garage church. Ten members.

If true, explains quite a lot.

SECRET garage church with 10 members ( and their own special interpretation of the Bible that no one else has) thank you very much.

Still, it is immaterial if 1inChrist actually believes this stuff, or if he is just trolling...the net result is that talking with him results in his running away to start a new thread, where he contradicts his own doctrine and his earlier statements (which in turn contradict Christianity as the rest of the religion practices it), all on the basis that logic is evil....


Say no more.

[Z]

"No more."

[Filippo Lippi]

Are there open tins of paint in the garage? Solvents?

[cbish]

1inC

*pant..pant**..............evil..

.........where did?.......*pant..pant**

dinosaurs....humans....rock strata......

.....evil??...*pant..pant*

(collapse!)

[Kitty Chan]

1inChrist

Well, if one is starting a church its first day is not going to have 100 members it would start out small and grow, fair enough. As for the church being small it does say in the bible that wherever 2 or 3 are gathered and your 10.

Someone said people should only pm you privately if they are serious about going, I agree. Also, there was a question if your parents or family go with you.

I have a friend who is in a small church they are now 30, but the pastor is affiliated with a larger church. Pastors do this to bring accountability to each other and then they have someone they can talk to. Do you know if your church is connected to a larger one?

And I still am wondering if you have shown your pastor what your posting and see what he thinks. If not maybe your parents?

I say this because I really believe you are trying to put across some points but how you are explaining these points is confused somewhat. Thats why I say show this to someone on your end of the computer and get some direction from them. If your answer is God is directing you and you dont need them then you need to ask God about accountability, even the disiples spoke to one another.

Also does your church know about your healing or prophecy?

Sorry about so many questions, I also have a post earlier in this thread with the credentials of the about.com website if your interested.

:)

[Zamzara]

So your 'morality' 1inC in facts consists of a willingness to do anything at all that will keep your petulant bully-boy god from sending you down for punishment. As long as you're personally kept out of the fire, nothing else matters. Fascinating.

Where as we evil atheists actually have to reason our sense of what is moral based on whether our actions are right or wrong, whether they will hurt other people, whether we are doing unto others as we would like them to do unto us. We're not motivated 100% by a desire to avoid punishment.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
1inChrist

Well, if one is starting a church its first day is not going to have 100 members it would start out small and grow, fair enough. As for the church being small it does say in the bible that wherever 2 or 3 are gathered and your 10.

Someone said people should only pm you privately if they are serious about going, I agree. Also, there was a question if your parents or family go with you.

I have a friend who is in a small church they are now 30, but the pastor is affiliated with a larger church. Pastors do this to bring accountability to each other and then they have someone they can talk to. Do you know if your church is connected to a larger one?

And I still am wondering if you have shown your pastor what your posting and see what he thinks. If not maybe your parents?

I say this because I really believe you are trying to put across some points but how you are explaining these points is confused somewhat. Thats why I say show this to someone on your end of the computer and get some direction from them. If your answer is God is directing you and you dont need them then you need to ask God about accountability, even the disiples spoke to one another.

Also does your church know about your healing or prophecy?

Sorry about so many questions, I also have a post earlier in this thread with the credentials of the about.com website if your interested.

:)

bump for 1inChrist :)

[Zamzara]

1inC, do you believe that people from any other churches can get to heaven, or just the 10 from yours? For example, can a catholic who accepts Jesus get to heaven? What about a person from the Russian Orthodox church. My cousin was a church of England member who converted to Russian Orthodox because he took a course on theology and believes that that church best represents the message of Christ. Will he go to heaven (in your opinion)? If so, how close exactly does a person's belief have to be to your own to qualify them?

[1inChrist]

Thank you for your questions!

Originally posted by Zamzara
1inC, do you believe that people from any other churches can get to heaven, or just the 10 from yours?

No, Church does not matter when it comes to being Saved. I only attend Church to feel the love of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

For example, can a catholic who accepts Jesus get to heaven?

I am not sure. Catholics have very odd rituals and beliefs that the Word warns against.

What about a person from the Russian Orthodox church. My cousin was a church of England member who converted to Russian Orthodox because he took a course on theology and believes that that church best represents the message of Christ. Will he go to heaven (in your opinion)? If so, how close exactly does a person's belief have to be to your own to qualify them?

Church does not matter. Has he accepted Christ as his Savior from the eternal Hellfire? Does he live a life according to God's will? If the answer is yes to both then yes he will enter the gates of Heaven.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan

1inChrist

Well, if one is starting a church its first day is not going to have 100 members it would start out small and grow, fair enough. As for the church being small it does say in the bible that wherever 2 or 3 are gathered and your 10.

It's not new but it is small.

Someone said people should only pm you privately if they are serious about going, I agree.

That's fine.

Also, there was a question if your parents or family go with you.

My Father and Uncle attend the services sometimes.

I have a friend who is in a small church they are now 30, but the pastor is affiliated with a larger church. Pastors do this to bring accountability to each other and then they have someone they can talk to. Do you know if your church is connected to a larger one?

No it's independent.

And I still am wondering if you have shown your pastor what your posting and see what he thinks. If not maybe your parents?

I have not shown them my postings but I have talked about this message board with them. They know what I have said generally.

I say this because I really believe you are trying to put across some points but how you are explaining these points is confused somewhat. Thats why I say show this to someone on your end of the computer and get some direction from them. If your answer is God is directing you and you dont need them then you need to ask God about accountability, even the disiples spoke to one another.

I have gotten my points accross fine I believe. It's just people have chosen to reject them.

Also does your church know about your healing or prophecy?

I'm not a professional faith healer but I do feel my faith is strong enough for me to heal people in the name of God. To answer yes they know of my healing and prophecy.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
"I have gotten my points accross fine I believe. It's just people have chosen to reject them..."

And yet you posted that the way to salvation was to repent before God, and denied that accepting Jesus was The Way...you called that an incorrect interpretation of the Bible...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread....40&pagenumber=3

You were specifically asked about the Way to salvation,

Quote Bruce:
"Guess you'll be burning in hell with the rest of us."

and you replied:
Originally posted by 1inChrist
"Nope I have already repented. This is the true Glory of the Lord. When you Sin you can repent to Him and He forgives you. "

I asked you repeatedly if you knew that the way to salvation was to accept Christ instead of just repenting,

Originally posted by crimresearch:
"Repenting of your sins to God is NOT the requirement that will save you from burning in hell, according to the Bible that you claim to be supporting. Many have repented of their sins to God and perished.
One more time, "starts with a 'J'...."

"...according to Scripture, Jesus is the Savior, God is his father, the Creator...".

YOUR reply:
I know the Bible. Your interpretation of everything is wrong.

Even when confronted with the literal word of the Bible, you remained adamant...

Quote crimresearch:
"LOL!!! You are so busted...John 3:16 (the 'J' I've been telling you to look for) is the 'wrong interpretation' for redemption?
I'm sure you'll be able to back THAT one up with some expert citations, won't you?"

** Crickets.....chirp....chirp...**

Then of course we have the 'Eve came before Lilith' faux pas, not to mention the 'God is helpless to stop terrorists because of their free will', etc. followed by 'the Super Secret Church, where God doesn't want YOU to be saved, just us'...

I predict that NoneinChrist will have to start posting material which will get him banned, so he can get out of this corner he's painted himself into.

Edited to add: Never mind, I see he has already resorted to deflecting attention from his own words by name calling.

[The GM]

Originally posted by 1inChrist


I'm not a professional faith healer

But you play one on the internet...



but I do feel my faith is strong enough for me to heal people in the name of God. To answer yes they know of my healing and prophecy.

Speaking of which, are Ny and Steven healed yet?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by The GM
But you play one on the internet...

''Play'' one?

Speaking of which, are Ny and Steven healed yet?

I don't know, we'll see. Won't we?

[The GM]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
''Play'' one?



I don't know, we'll see. Won't we?

Yes. Play, as in, to act, to put on a performance, to mimic a particular event for dramatic effect.

As a servant of the Almighty, were you not informed by the Holy Ghost of the outcome of your request?

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
. Catholics have very odd rituals and beliefs that the Word warns against.


What about Quakers...are their practices too unusual to get into Heaven?

You know, practices like following Scripture, and eschewing pastors, creeds, dogma, 'glorious churches', and outward shows of religion in favor of simple openess to the direct word of God, and the acceptance of Christ?
Have they got the 'wrong interpretation' too?

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by crimresearch
What about Quakers...are their practices too unusual to get into Heaven? etc . . .


I agree with what you say about a simple openess to the direct word of God, and the acceptance of Christ?

There are those who feel certain things catholics do makes them unchristian, 7th day adventists are big on saying that but they practice the sabbath on sat. Chrismatic are too loud etc.

The early church struggled with the same questions, thats why Christ said to avoid comparisions especially in the competion area. If one reads Rev the letters to the 7 churches each one had a set of problems but God just encourged them said what to do to correct but didnt say they were not getting in.

Thats why there is the common creed which all churches should base off from. If they agree on the basics then may have different ways to approach things fine. Different personalities are going to do things a little different but the end result (ie Creed) is whats important. Sure there is interpertation and discussion on other matters but not on whats important. Its also why God is judge and not the churches.

It would be like scientists agree on certain laws and theorys but they all go about trying to solve a problem differently. Core things still remain what they are no matter what. :)

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
I agree with what you say about a simple openess to the direct word of God, and the acceptance of Christ?

There are those who feel certain things catholics do makes them unchristian, 7th day adventists are big on saying that but they practice the sabbath on sat. Chrismatic are too loud etc.

The early church struggled with the same questions, thats why Christ said to avoid comparisions especially in the competion area. If one reads Rev the letters to the 7 churches each one had a set of problems but God just encourged them said what to do to correct but didnt say they were not getting in.

Thats why there is the common creed which all churches should base off from. If they agree on the basics then may have different ways to approach things fine. Different personalities are going to do things a little different but the end result (ie Creed) is whats important. Sure there is interpertation and discussion on other matters but not on whats important. Its also why God is judge and not the churches.

It would be like scientists agree on certain laws and theorys but they all go about trying to solve a problem differently. Core things still remain what they are no matter what. :)

Reading about George Fox always makes me wonder how someone could be so deeply skeptical of the Church of this day, and yet remain so unshakeably faithful to the underlying religion.

[Kitty Chan]

Originally posted by crimresearch
Reading about George Fox always makes me wonder how someone could be so deeply skeptical of the Church of this day, and yet remain so unshakeably faithful to the underlying religion.

I had to do a search for him, seems interesting with the little I read (I think I need a book instead of the computer)

Anyway maybe he is able to see people as God sees them thus patient but unshakable as they describe him.

[Operaider]

I'd like to make a suggestion.

If you are going to use sarcasm that is the least bit subtle, please provide an explanation.
I think this will save us all some time and save 1inC from confusion

[Operaider]

1 in Christ, I've been wondering something. You may have addressed this already, but what happens to people who have never heard of Jesus when they die? I'm not talking about people like me who have heard the stories and dismissed the idea as purely nonsensical drivel, I already know I'm going to hell. I'm talking about aborigines and people who live in areas of the world that missionaries haven’t been yet. Do they go to hell? If so don't you think that’s a little unfair?

Also, what about Ghandi. From all accounts he led a selfless life. One that would put most Christians in front of the line at the pearly gates. But, he didn't (as far as I know) believe in Jesus. Do his acts of kindness go unrewarded because he picked the wrong god to believe in?

Likewise, there was a mass murderer a few years back that went to the electric chair. Before dying she found God. Do you think that her last minute conversion made up for a life of cruelty in God's eyes?

These may sound like sarcastic questions, but I'm honestly curious as to your opinion. Your beliefs are strange to me and I'm having trouble figuring out how the rules work.

[The GM]

Originally posted by Operaider
I'd like to make a suggestion.

If you are going to use sarcasm that is the least bit subtle, please provide an explanation.
I think this will save us all some time and save 1inC from confusion

Operaider,
If you're refering to my comments (hard to tell who you're talking to in this post) I will merely say that I'm not being sarcastic or nasty. I'm simply pointing out (as crimesearch has) the inconsistancies in 1inC's act. He is not a fundamentalist, or a Christian. How do I know this? Because he doesn't have his story straight. When asked point blank, he doesn't know the answers to the most basic questions about the faith. His commentary is only in line with the stereotypes of what a fundie Christian is, and not the reality. 1inC is a troll, a savior hater with an agenda that only he knows what it might be. Perhaps he had a negative experience with the religion, and is trying to discredit believers by making them look bad, maybe (as was suggested in the I'm A...thread) he is an atheist who is putting on an act to piss people off. I dunno his motives, but I do know that it's not cool to misrepresent a group of people in the fashion that he has picked. Fundamentalism is odd enough without the melodrama that 1inC has provided. So when 1inC says he can faith heal, I know it's a crock because he doesn't even know how that process works. When he says his mother was sent away for 26 years to mission alone, without her husband, I know that's a crock, because that isn't how the process works. When he says all you have to do to get into Heaven is repent before God, I know that's a crock, because that isn't how the process works....and so on.
In short, a troll by any other name is still a troll.

[crimresearch]

And if there *were* simple explanations for those errors and contradictions, OneinChrist's habit of refusing to provide them, while continuing with hit and run (lately more 'run') tactics, name calling, AND further contradicting himself, does nothing to remove the appearance of trollage.

[Kitty Chan]

Operaider if 1inChrist does not answer can I :D
However Im curious what his take would be, btw good questions

[Operaider]

Originally posted by Kitty Chan
Operaider if 1inChrist does not answer can I :D
However Im curious what his take would be, btw good questions thank you Kitty, feel free to answer them

And GM i don't think I was referring to one of your comments when I posted that. Though I might have been. It realy don't remember. Those are just questions that I struggled with when I was young and religious. I came up with answers to them for myself long ago. But those answers are kinda moot now, since I don't believe in hell at all. I just suspected that 1 in C would have very different answers

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Operaider
1 in Christ, I've been wondering something. You may have addressed this already, but what happens to people who have never heard of Jesus when they die? I'm not talking about people like me who have heard the stories and dismissed the idea as purely nonsensical drivel, I already know I'm going to hell. I'm talking about aborigines and people who live in areas of the world that missionaries haven’t been yet. Do they go to hell? If so don't you think that’s a little unfair?.


Romans 1:20

[Operaider]

Bumped from the Why don't you believe in hell thread. Where is was misposted.

Originally posted by Operaider
1 in Christ, I've been wondering something. You may have addressed this already, but what happens to people who have never heard of Jesus when they die? I'm not talking about people like me who have heard the stories and dismissed the idea as purely nonsensical drivel, I already know I'm going to hell. I'm talking about aborigines and people who live in areas of the world that missionaries haven’t been yet.
I am not sure. This is one of the mysteries that the Bible does not address. All the Word says that would be relevant would be that He Judges fairly. So I believe he would Judge those who have not heard of Him fairly and make His desicion. I do not see how they could enter Heaven without Christ but I really am not sure under these circumstances. I really fear that they might go to Hell but I'm not sure.Do they go to hell? If so don't you think that’s a little unfair?Whatever God chooses for you on Judgement Day is fair.Also, what about Ghandi. From all accounts he led a selfless life. One that would put most Christians in front of the line at the pearly gates. But, he didn't (as far as I know) believe in Jesus. Do his acts of kindness go unrewarded because he picked the wrong god to believe in?Without Christ Ghandi cannot enter Heaven but will instead be banished and punished in Hell.Likewise, there was a mass murderer a few years back that went to the electric chair. Before dying she found God. Do you think that her last minute conversion made up for a life of cruelty in God's eyes?
Actually no. I think it was good for her eternal soul that she die right after she accepts Christ as her Savior so she will go to Heaven.

[Operaider]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
Romans 1:20
20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

One more reason why if god exists, he's a bit of an @$$hole

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Really does make it seem like the lunatic fringe, doesn't it?

Not really. We've had a poster whose religion had only one member. Compared to him, 1inC is relatively sane, because there's a chance his ideas might be misinterpretations of someone else's.

[Kitty Chan]

quote:
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Originally posted by Kitty Chan
Operaider if 1inChrist does not answer can I
However Im curious what his take would be, btw good questions
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Originally posted by Operaider
thank you Kitty, feel free to answer them

And GM i don't think I was referring to one of your comments when I posted that. Though I might have been. It realy don't remember. Those are just questions that I struggled with when I was young and religious. I came up with answers to them for myself long ago. But those answers are kinda moot now, since I don't believe in hell at all. I just suspected that 1 in C would have very different answers

Thanks yes I knew you were not referring specifically to one of my comments. I like good questions makes everyone think, no one has to agree but thinking is a start to at least understanding where someone is coming from. I see 1inChrist answered I agree somewhat with some clarifications.

As for the bushman or the innocents like babies I think they would go to Heaven because if they have not heard about God or cannot understand (baby, mental illness) then thats a pass. Because God is fair as Iin says.

The mass murderer yes if she found God. Because Jesus said to the thief on the cross beside Him that the thief would be with Him that day. As much as it irratates us that a thief or murderer would "get off" it is also a repenting and realization on the thiefs part of what they did, and God can judge that heart.

Ghandi, This is where Im not sure and glad its not my decision. On one hand one could say hes out but. But I tend to agree with CS Lewis on this that there are some people who are acknowledging God they just dont recognise it. (I cant think of how to explain that any better at the moment) Ghandi could fall into that category, at one point in his life he did decide on whether or not to be a christian but someone or something put him off.

Its not his "good works" I would be talking about but rather Ghandi's heart. And to say hes out would forget about Gods Grace which does not get acknowledged alot, but its there.

I still think its possible that along with Gods grace and judging of Ghandi's heart . . . that God can see the whole of Ghandi where we would only see a part.

[Kitty Chan]

opps late need sleep