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demon
12th October 2004, 12:03 PM
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October, 2004
Newark, Delaware - Over 650 foreign affairs specialists in the United States and allied countries have signed an open letter opposing the
Bush administration's foreign policy and calling urgently for a change of course.

The letter was released today by "Security Scholars for a Sensible Foreign Policy," a nonpartisan group of experts in the field of
national security and international politics.

The letter asserts that current U.S. foreign policy harms the struggle against Islamist terrorists, pointing to a series of "blunders" by the Bush team in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. "We're advising the administration, which is already in a deep hole, to stop digging," said Professor Richard Samuels of M.I.T.

The scholars who signed the letter are from over 150 colleges and universities in 40 states, from California to Florida, Texas to Maine.

They include many of the nation's most prominent experts on world politics, including former staff members at the Pentagon, the State Department and the National Security Council, as well as six of the last seven Presidents of the American Political Science Association.

"I think it is telling that so many specialists on international relations, who rarely agree on anything, are unified in their position on the high costs that the U.S. is incurring from this war," said Professor Robert Keohane of Duke University.

The text of the letter, a list of signers and details about Security Scholars for a Sensible Foreign Policy are available at http://www.sensibleforeignpolicy.net.


An Open Letter to the American People:

We, a nonpartisan group of foreign affairs specialists, have joined together to call urgently for a change of course in American foreign and national security policy. We judge that the current American policy centered around the war in Iraq is the most misguided one since the Vietnam period, one which harms the cause of the struggle against extreme Islamist terrorists. One result has been a great distortion in the terms of public debate on foreign and national security policy—an emphasis on speculation instead of facts, on mythology instead of calculation, and on misplaced moralizing over considerations of national interest. [1] We write to challenge some of these distortions.

Although we applaud the Bush Administration for its initial focus on destroying al-Qaida bases in Afghanistan, its failure to engage sufficient U.S. troops to capture or kill the mass of al-Qaida fighters in the later stages of that war was a great blunder. It is a fact that the early shift of U.S. focus to Iraq diverted U.S. resources, including special operations forces and intelligence capabilities, away from direct pursuit of the fight against the terrorists. [2]

Many of the justifications offered by the Bush Administration for the war in Iraq have been proven untrue by credible studies, including by U.S. government agencies. There is no evidence that Iraq assisted al-Qaida, and its prewar involvement in international terrorism was negligible. [3] Iraq’s arsenal of chemical and biological weapons was negligible, and its nuclear weapons program virtually nonexistent. [4] In comparative terms, Iran is and was much the greater sponsor of terrorism, and North Korea and Pakistan pose much the greater risk of nuclear proliferation to terrorists. Even on moral grounds, the case for war was dubious: the war itself has killed over a thousand Americans and unknown thousands of Iraqis, and if the threat of civil war becomes reality, ordinary Iraqis could be even worse off than they were under Saddam Hussein. The Administration knew most of these facts and risks before the war, and could have discovered the others, but instead it played down, concealed or misrepresented them.

Policy errors during the occupation and reconstruction of Iraq have created a situation in Iraq worse than it needed to be. Spurning the advice of Army Chief of Staff General Shinseki, the Administration committed an inadequate number of troops to the occupation, leading to the continuing failure to establish security in Iraq. Ignoring prewar planning by the State Department and other US government agencies, it created a needless security vacuum by disbanding the Iraqi Army, and embarked on a poorly planned and ineffective reconstruction effort which to date has managed to spend only a fraction of the money earmarked for it. [5] As a result, Iraqi popular dismay at the lack of security, jobs or reliable electric power fuels much of the violent opposition to the U.S. military presence, while the war itself has drawn in terrorists from outside Iraq.

The results of this policy have been overwhelmingly negative for U.S. interests. [6] While the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime was desirable, the benefit to the U.S. was small as prewar inspections had already proven the extreme weakness of his WMD programs, and therefore the small size of the threat he posed. On the negative side, the excessive U.S. focus on Iraq led to weak and inadequate responses to the greater challenges posed by North Korea’s and Iran’s nuclear programs, and diverted resources from the economic and diplomatic efforts needed to fight terrorism in its breeding grounds in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Middle East. Worse, American actions in Iraq, including but not limited to the scandal of Abu Ghraib, have harmed the reputation of the U.S. in most parts of the Middle East and, according to polls, made Osama Bin Laden more popular in some countries than is President Bush. This increased popularity makes it easier for al-Qaida to raise money, attract recruits, and carry out its terrorist operations than would otherwise be the case.

Recognizing these negative consequences of the Iraq war, in addition to the cost in lives and money, we believe that a fundamental reassessment is in order. Significant improvements are needed in our strategy in Iraq and the implementation of that strategy. We call urgently for an open debate on how to achieve these ends, one informed by attention to the facts on the ground in Iraq, the facts of al-Qaida’s methods and strategies, and sober attention to American interests and values.

Signed (All titles and affiliations listed for purposes of identification only),
List of signatures:
http://www.sensibleforeignpolicy.net/signatories.html

Nikk
12th October 2004, 02:59 PM
They are foreign affairs specialists therefore they must have gone native and thus their views can be discounted.

And they are probably godless, atheist liberals who sprinkle stem cells from aborted babies over their cornflakes not that they eat anything as american as cornflakes they probably eat croissants the damn french loving queer kerry voting did you know he didn't earn those medals............................................ ......................................:D

Charlie Monoxide
12th October 2004, 03:48 PM
October, 2004
Newark, Delaware - Over 650 foreign affairs specialists in the United States and allied countries have signed an open letter opposing the
Bush administration's foreign policy and calling urgently for a change of course.
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Hmmm, I wonder if Kerry will bring this up in the next debate?

Charlie (FA specialists probably used that European science) Monoxide

pgwenthold
12th October 2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
Hmmm, I wonder if Kerry will bring this up in the next debate?

Charlie (FA specialists probably used that European science) Monoxide

It will probably be as significant as 43 Nobel Lauriates (or whatever) who have taken the Bush administration to task for their assault on science.

HarryKeogh
12th October 2004, 04:13 PM
well, nothing on Foxnews.com yet regarding this so I'll reserve judgement until then thank you very much.

and what do 650 scholars know anyway? don't they know we were attacked on 9/11?!!!

demon
12th October 2004, 04:22 PM
HarryKeogh:
"and what do 650 scholars know anyway? don't they know we were attacked on 9/11?!!!"

Yeah, damn right, what the hell do they know?

"Security Scholars for a Sensible Foreign Policy" indeed!

That sounds an exciting group to be a member of, non stop partying :p

Patrick
12th October 2004, 04:26 PM
golllllleeeeeeeee ... I'm real impressed - a bunch of liberal/left university professors, plus some has beens and Clintonistas.

Mr Manifesto
12th October 2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Patrick
golllllleeeeeeeee ... I'm real impressed - a bunch of liberal/left university professors, plus some has beens and Clintonistas.

Yeah, they all had low standards.

CapelDodger
12th October 2004, 04:51 PM
Another blinding glimpse of the obvious that remains invisible to some Republicans. I had low expectations, but I've still been gob-smacked by the sheer ineptitude. I can't really blame the military, except the guy they put in charge of Abu Ghraib. The policy end, though, beggars belief.

Crossbow
12th October 2004, 04:58 PM
Well, considering that Bush does not even read the newspapers yet proudly claims "I know how the world works!", one should not be surprised to see him rather critically evaluated.

Dorian Gray
12th October 2004, 10:27 PM
golllllleeeeeeeee ... I'm real impressed - a bunch of liberal/left university professors, plus some has beens and Clintonistas. Patricia, I hate to break it to you, but the degrees you claim to have were the result of being taught by professors. So now you are in the position of either agreeing with the professors or negating the validity of your degree (since lefties are so dumb). I know which one I'm going with.

corplinx
12th October 2004, 10:33 PM
The scholars who signed the letter are from over 150 colleges and universities in 40 states, from California to Florida, Texas to Maine.

include many of the nation's most prominent experts on world politics, including former staff members at the Pentagon, the State Department and the National Security Council, as well as six of the last seven Presidents of the American Political Science Association.


These are "security" scholars? The last seven presidents of the polysci club?

But damn, im a woo-woo, and since I've been shotgunned with SIX HUNDRED FIFTY scholars I must put away any questions and just accept their verdict as true.

How damning.

Patrick
12th October 2004, 11:17 PM
Patricia, I hate to break it to you, but the degrees you claim to have were the result of being taught by professors. So now you are in the position of either agreeing with the professors or negating the validity of your degree (since lefties are so dumb). I know which one I'm going with.

There are professors and professors. A mathematics professor may be a liberal, but at least as far as I know, there's no "feminist math". The hard sciences are immune to the PCism, feminism, post-modernism, anti-american revisionism, etc, that has destroyed the humanities and social sciences. In fact, I switched majors my sophomore year to physics, partly because I wanted something free of bullshiit.

Dorian Gray
12th October 2004, 11:24 PM
It's not revisionism if it was wrong to begin with.

Why are you threatened by feminism? And why are you a reactionary?

Patrick
12th October 2004, 11:42 PM
It's not revisionism if it was wrong to begin with.

Why are you threatened by feminism? And why are you a reactionary?



Revisionism is frequently replacing things that were right or wrong to begin with, with new things that are wrong to begin with.

Feminism is responsible for what may be a holocaust (the abortion movement), lots of irrational "affirmative action", anti-WM racism, distortions in federal funding of disease research, and the wholesale virtual destruction of western culture in universities, among other things. Is that enough to be threatened?

Also, the "reactionary" bit is silly - I call for widespread unprecedented change and am therefore a radical.

Dorian Gray
13th October 2004, 06:56 AM
Revisionism is trying to backdate the start of the recession to your predecessor's administration.

Feminism won women the right to vote. Feminism has been touted as a victory in Afghanistan, now that women can show their faces.

You are a reactionary if the changes you want to make return us to the way things were in a less progressive time, like the '50s or the 1800s. What changes have you called for that are progressive rather than regressive?

Beerina
14th October 2004, 12:52 PM
> 650 Security Scholars Give Bush Foreign Policy a Failing Grade

Where were these "650 security scholars" and their own awesome A grades for themselves before 9/11?


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