(Response to )Question for 1inChrist (my thread was Hijacked)

[kedo1981]

(Response to )Question for 1inChrist (my thread was Hijacked)


Ok so you would crash a plane into a building and kill thousands of people because God told you to.

I take it that you, as a fundamentalist, believe that you are forgiven of your sins when you accept Jesus “as your personal savoir� at which point you feel that you are granted admission into “heaven� when you are judged, (this is the usual fundy song and dance, right!)

And yet you would commit a murderous inhuman act at his command even though you don’t need to(you are not saved by works) do anything else to fulfill your Christian beliefs.
Couldn’t you decline and then ask for forgiveness (for disobeying God) later?
All us evil atheists hear the same mantra “you can’t be moral without God� all the time; and yet, you would commit this act of violence and terror when you don’t need to, to be saved; and this makes you “Christian�??????????

[kuroyume0161]

This is the great thing about having an invisible friend to carry all of your moral and social responsibility.

[1inChrist]

kedo1981:


Ok so you would crash a plane into a building and kill thousands of people because God told you to.

If God commanded me to.

I take it that you, as a fundamentalist, believe that you are forgiven of your sins when you accept Jesus “as your personal savoir� at which point you feel that you are granted admission into “heaven� when you are judged, (this is the usual fundy song and dance, right!)

Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior will enter the Gates of Heaven.

And yet you would commit a murderous inhuman act at his command even though you don’t need to(you are not saved by works) do anything else to fulfill your Christian beliefs.
Couldn’t you decline and then ask for forgiveness (for disobeying God) later?

If God tells me to do something I must follow his command. Could I refuse and repent for refusing later? Yes because God will forgive anything but I wouldn't refuse I would follow his command.

All us evil atheists hear the same mantra “you can’t be moral without God� all the time; and yet, you would commit this act of violence and terror when you don’t need to, to be saved; and this makes you “Christian�??????????

You do not understand true morality.

[Ipecac]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You do not understand true morality.

We understand that you have no morality and the above admissions are probably correctly classified as sociopathic.

[Ipecac]

1inC,

Here's something to think about.

Let's say that just before you crash into that building, there are 1000 people inside. 150 of them are "saved" and will fly up to heaven once you snuff them. 500 of them are under Satan's dominion (what with being Muslims, Hindi, Atheists, Catholics, etc.) and will go straight to hell whether you kill them today or in 50 years. The remaining 350 are children and Christians who aren't saved, but are close. An instant's revelation is all they need to fully get behind Jebus and they're saved.

By crashing the plane into the building, instantly slaughtering all 1000 people, you are condemning these 350 people to Hell. Had they lived five minutes more, some of them might have come around and been saved, living eternally in god's glorious paradise. But since the system you believe in is apparently time-sensitive, if they die unexpectedly before they're saved, too bad. It's an eternity of sterno enemas for them.

Does any of this bother you?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Ipecac
1inC,

Here's something to think about.

Let's say that just before you crash into that building, there are 1000 people inside. 150 of them are "saved" and will fly up to heaven once you snuff them. 500 of them are under Satan's dominion (what with being Muslims, Hindi, Atheists, Catholics, etc.) and will go straight to hell whether you kill them today or in 50 years. The remaining 350 are children and Christians who aren't saved, but are close. An instant's revelation is all they need to fully get behind Jebus and they're saved.

By crashing the plane into the building, instantly slaughtering all 1000 people, you are condemning these 350 people to Hell. Had they lived five minutes more, some of them might have come around and been saved, living eternally in god's glorious paradise. But since the system you believe in is apparently time-sensitive, if they die unexpectedly before they're saved, too bad. It's an eternity of sterno enemas for them.

Does any of this bother you?

No because GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT AND IF GOD TELLS ME TO DO IT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT BECAUSE I ONLY FEEL GUILTY IF I DISOBEY GOD.

[Ipecac]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No because GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT AND IF GOD TELLS ME TO DO IT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT BECAUSE I ONLY FEEL GUILTY IF I DISOBEY GOD.

This is why your morality is inferior. It is imposed from without, rather than from within.

And since it's all based on a myth, it's even more pathetic and sad.

[Lisa Simpson]

God commands you to crash into a building and thousands of people.

God also commanded Thou shalt not kill.

In one of these situations, God is wrong.

Which is it?

[kuroyume0161]

Right... And if God told you to kidnap people at random, torture them, and then eat them, you'd do it, wouldn't you?

Hmmm, how many insane, nutfukkers used that plea while being condemned to death for serial murder?

With that kind of 'love' provided by God, I'd rather be a hedonistic Satan worshipper...

[MagicTony]

Now, come on guys. God's not perfect . . . you can't hold him/it to your high morals. If he were perfect, he wouldn't want 1inC to crash the plane, because that would indicate he had a will, which would indicate that he was lacking in something. You can't lack something and be perfect.

I stay awake for one day in philosophy class and this is what happens! Sad. sad.

[uruk]

No because GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT AND IF GOD TELLS ME TO DO IT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT BECAUSE I ONLY FEEL GUILTY IF I DISOBEY GOD.
There is another word for someone who thinks this way. Suicide bomber.

[Darat]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
....snip...

If God tells me to do something I must follow his command. Could I refuse and repent for refusing later? Yes because God will forgive anything but I wouldn't refuse I would follow his command.

...snip...

You do not understand true morality.

So God will forgive all us people who don’t believe in him and don’t live as you say He says we should?

Therefore no atheist ("knowingly" or "unknowingly") should fear death or worry about spending eternity in hell since "God will forgive anything.."

[agnostic_god]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior will enter the Gates of Heaven.

You need to read the book of Revelation. The number of souls that will be saved is a fixed, specific amount. Considering the number of Christians that have already existed, it's quite possible that the number has already been reached. This information is not widely advertised in churches, of course. It wouldn't be good for business if parishoners knew that Heaven already had a "No Vacancy" sign on the door. Oh, excuse me, I mean gates.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Darat
So God will forgive all us people who don’t believe in him and don’t live as you say He says we should?

Therefore no atheist ("knowingly" or "unknowingly") should fear death or worry about spending eternity in hell since "God will forgive anything.."

That's a puzzlement for me too.

1inChrist has repeatedly stated that God will allow those who repent their sins into Heaven, and when questioned, has specifically denied the well known Christian doctrine from John 3:16 of accepting Christ as one's personal savior as being the only way...1inChrist labels that a wrong interpretation of the Bible.

So apparently heaven will be full of those who repent...(Christian or not), but not Christians who have accepted Christ but die without a chance to repent their last sin...

A very unusual brand of Christian doctine...one might almost say unheard of.

[Darat]

Originally posted by crimresearch
That's a puzzlement for me too.

...snip...

A very unusual brand of Christian doctine...one might almost say unheard of.

You would almost think she (or he) didn’t know much about her own "brand" of Christianity wouldn’t you...? ;)

[Z]

Originally posted by agnostic_god
You need to read the book of Revelation. The number of souls that will be saved is a fixed, specific amount. Considering the number of Christians that have already existed, it's quite possible that the number has already been reached. This information is not widely advertised in churches, of course. It wouldn't be good for business if parishoners knew that Heaven already had a "No Vacancy" sign on the door. Oh, excuse me, I mean gates.

I believe - correct me if I'm wrong - that the JWs think that every one of the 144,000 'saved' have already been born - and the apocalypse will come after the last of them dies.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by crimresearch
That's a puzzlement for me too.

1inChrist has repeatedly stated that God will allow those who repent their sins into Heaven, and when questioned, has specifically denied the well known Christian doctrine from John 3:16 of accepting Christ as one's personal savior as being the only way...1inChrist labels that a wrong interpretation of the Bible.

So apparently heaven will be full of those who repent...(Christian or not), but not Christians who have accepted Christ but die without a chance to repent their last sin...

A very unusual brand of Christian doctine...one might almost say unheard of.

Nice way to twist my beliefs. The fact is the only way to get into Heaven is to accept Christ as your Savior, period. How do you accept Him? Repent for your sins and live your life according to His commands.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Darat
You would almost think she (or he) didn’t know much about her own "brand" of Christianity wouldn’t you...? ;)

Crimesearch has mental issues. He knows exactly what I believe but likes to twist and manipulate my beliefs on purpose to cause confusion. These atheists here have claimed I have condradicted myself but I haven't. Not ONCE! They are liars and are in danger of the Hellfire.

[Anathema]

Originally posted by agnostic_god
This information is not widely advertised in churches, of course. It wouldn't be good for business if parishoners knew that Heaven already had a "No Vacancy" sign on the door. Oh, excuse me, I mean gates. Yeah, Amway learned the same lesson early on....

[Z]

Hmm... Off the top of my head, I can't actually recall Yeshua ben-Yosef 'commanding' anything...

[1inChrist]

THE BIBLE SAYS YOU MUST ACCEPT CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR OR YOU CANNOT GET INTO HEAVEN THAT SOUNDS LIKE A COMMAND TO ME SO STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE EVERYONE.

[Lisa Simpson]

Stop yelling--you'll give yourself a stroke.

You have made several contradictory statements, 1inC. Which is it? Get into heaven by repenting to God or by accepting Jesus as your personal savior?

[Correa Neto]

Soooo....

Morality, "God loves you all"...

Moses comes down from the mountain, sees jews worshipping the golden bull. God tells him to kill all those who commited idolatry. All but his brother, who happens to be the one who built the statue... Riiiiiiiiiiiiight... Thou shall not kill... Forgive you brother, offer the other face.... Fair and equal judge...

Who´s stronger? Jaweh or Baal? Make a who-hits-the-bull-with-a-lighting-first contest. Baal looses. Jaweh orders all Baal followers killed... Thou shall not kill, love your neighbour...

David sends the husband of a woman he wanted to war to keep him away... Wasn´t there something about this in the ten commandments?

Shall the list keep on going on?

Off course I´m on the highway to hell, but...

What´s the difference between Satan and Jaweh? I can´t help but understand why Satan had his reason for rebelling...

[Z]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
THE BIBLE SAYS YOU MUST ACCEPT CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR OR YOU CANNOT GET INTO HEAVEN THAT SOUNDS LIKE A COMMAND TO ME SO STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE EVERYONE.

Yet just a few posts back, you say,

The fact is the only way to get into Heaven is to accept Christ as your Savior, period. How do you accept Him? Repent for your sins and live your life according to His commands.

So, again, what commands of His are we talking about here? The Bible's? Or Yeshua ben-Yosef's?

Also, the Bible gives quite a few, often contradictory, qualifiers for 'entrance into heaven'. So, please, elaborate.

"A troll walked under the bridge..."

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No because GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT AND IF GOD TELLS ME TO DO IT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT BECAUSE I ONLY FEEL GUILTY IF I DISOBEY GOD.


Combined with the issue of the voices in your head ... You are really to be pitied.

Furthermore, how would you possibly know that God - and not Satan for example - gives you commands??? Or that it is not just your imagination???

How?? How would you do this without some sort of corroborating (moral) guidelines?

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Crimesearch has mental issues. He knows exactly what I believe but likes to twist and manipulate my beliefs on purpose to cause confusion. These atheists here have claimed I have condradicted myself but I haven't. Not ONCE! They are liars and are in danger of the Hellfire.


You usually bail out and run away to start yet another one of your imbecile threads before you blatantly can contradict yourself. Maybe you would like to continue our little debatelet on free will and why that omnibenevolent God-thingy of yours did not create humanity with free will AND in such a way that they always would choose the good option. You asserted he could have.

The question that has yet to be answered is why did He not do it?

[Darat]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
….snip… They are liars and are in danger of the Hellfire.

Why are they? You said that "God forgives anything...", why should they be worried about Hellfire? According to you God will forgive them any lies they may have said.

[Aussie Thinker]

The really scary thing here if what if a loon like 1inC hears voices in is head and starts to kill people..

Fundamentalism should be banned !

[The Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by Aussie Thinker
The really scary thing here if what if a loon like 1inC hears voices in is head and starts to kill people..

Fundamentalism should be banned !

It would certainly not be the first time:(

The 'religious Christian' excuses are just that -- excuses to hate, lie, cheat, and murder. Apologists for 'gentler', 'brotherly love' interpretations of Christianity and Islam don't see that 1inC is the product of their "We are right, others are wrong" philosophy applied to fallible human writings from thousands of years ago that are contradictory, open to any interpretation, and morally flawed.

They all believe they are getting messages from god in one form or another. They all believe they can talk to this god and get answers. They all believe in the absolute supremacy of their beliefs over the beliefs of others. They all want us to bow down to their conception of what their version of god suppossedly commands for the whole human race. They are commanded to proselytise, to convert 'the other' by fair means or foul. If 'the other' will not submit, it is a short step to view them as soul-less, rebellious ingrates who are purposely denying the will of their creator and who therefore do not deserve life because they are somehow impairing the imagined progress toward the imagined 'end' that can be made to justify all means..

The 1inC's do the dirty work after the others cry, "Who will rid me of this troublesome . . . unbeliever?" Then they wash their hands of the bloodshed and carnage and start on the excuses and justifications. After all, 'It must have been god's will." "We cannot discern the mysterious ways of the creator" etc. Or, it was the 'no true Scotsman' who dunnit!

[sackett]

Somewhere on this forum (dontcha just LUV these scattershot thread-starters?), I've opined that 1inCripes doesn't really know whether he's a troll or not. However, there's such a thing as taking a man at his word, even if his motives are confused. When this nincompoop says that he'd crash a plane into a building if the Voice o' God told him to, I think we might be dealing with a potentially dangerous mind. Certainly it's reckless of him to utter such a thing in public in times like these - or in any times, come to that.

1mmChrist, I find it distasteful to address you directly, but: Give thought to what you're saying.

[Gregory]

Originally posted by Correa Neto
David sends the husband of a woman he wanted to war to keep him away... Wasn´t there something about this in the ten commandments?

Without contradicting your main point, wasn't David condemned for that action by the prophit Nathan?

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Nice way to twist my beliefs. The fact is the only way to get into Heaven is to accept Christ as your Savior, period. How do you accept Him? Repent for your sins and live your life according to His commands.

And yet you posted that the way to salvation was to repent before God, and denied that accepting Jesus was The Way...you called that an incorrect interpretation of the Bible...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46275&perpage=40&pagenumber=3

You were specifically asked about the Way to salvation,

Quote Bruce:
"Guess you'll be burning in hell with the rest of us."

and you replied:
Originally posted by 1inChrist
"Nope I have already repented. This is the true Glory of the Lord. When you Sin you can repent to Him and He forgives you. "

I asked you repeatedly if you knew that the way to salvation was to accept Christ instead of just repenting,

Originally posted by crimresearch:
"Repenting of your sins to God is NOT the requirement that will save you from burning in hell, according to the Bible that you claim to be supporting. Many have repented of their sins to God and perished.
One more time, "starts with a 'J'...."

"...according to Scripture, Jesus is the Savior, God is his father, the Creator...".

YOUR reply:
I know the Bible. Your interpretation of everything is wrong.

Even when confronted with the literal word of the Bible, you remained adamant...

Quote crimresearch:
"LOL!!! You are so busted...John 3:16 (the 'J' I've been telling you to look for) is the 'wrong interpretation' for redemption?
I'm sure you'll be able to back THAT one up with some expert citations, won't you?"

** Crickets.....chirp....chirp...**

Then of course we have the 'Eve came before Lilith' faux pas, not to mention the 'God is helpless to stop terrorists because of their free will', etc. followed by 'the Super Secret Church, where God doesn't want YOU to be saved, just us'...

I predict that NoneinChrist will have to start posting material which will get him banned, so he can get out of this corner he's painted himself into.

Edited to add: Never mind, I see he has already resorted to deflecting attention from his own words by name calling.

[Correa Neto]

Nathan... Well, I forgot that one. Thanks for the ears up, Gregory! And anyway, why David´s sins were forgiven while so many lesser sins (such as looking back to see a city being buried by flames and sulphur) are treated with major punishment?

Please don´t tell me David repented to Jesus...

And, back on track, freewill... Oh yeah... God gave us free will. But if we don´t follow all his laws we ar bound to Hell. Of great use this free will is...

Regarding the "Repent and go to Heaven!" moto, here´s the usual questions-

If someone was born before Jesus, never knew about him, or just did not belived in him (suppose the guy was a Muslim), even having being Mr. Nice Guy for all his life will not stop him from going to hell. Is this fair? Where is God´s justice?

And what about those who died too young? Purgatory? For what?

You should repent for following such a tyrant!

[Gregory]

Originally posted by Correa Neto
Nathan... Well, I forgot that one. Thanks for the ears up, Gregory! And anyway, why David´s sins were forgiven while so many lesser sins (such as looking back to see a city being buried by flames and sulphur) are treated with major punishment?

Please don´t tell me David repented to Jesus...

Actually, David's sin was also treated with major punishment: God causes David's son to fall sick and die.

[Correa Neto]

Now you have solid evidence that I slept during th religion classes at school...

But still, here we have another dead end... If God forgives, why God punishes? To make people feel so bad that they will repent? If so, what about those who were punished with death?

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Correa Neto
Now you have solid evidence that I slept during th religion classes at school...

But still, here we have another dead end... If God forgives, why God punishes? To make people feel so bad that they will repent? If so, what about those who were punished with death?

When I was at a small school many years ago, we were required to take 2 religion and 2 philosophy classes to graduate.
I took 'History of the Old Testament' from a former monk with a master's in religion, who walked into the classroom and started writing on the board in Latin...half the other students dropped right away.

The constant cycle of God giving His chosen people free will, and then slapping them around when He got tired of their foolishness was well established after a semester of studying the OT...

Free will would seem to be to allow God to see if humans had learned one single thing since the Garden...kind of like taking off the training wheels to see if your kid has learned how to ride on his own...

[Mojo]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I ONLY FEEL GUILTY IF I DISOBEY GOD.
I'm sure you also feel guilty after you masturbate.

And don't pretend you don't do it.

[Batman Jr.]

1inChrist,

God told me to tell you that you should go poop in your pants and swear your allegiance to Kim Jong Il. He also wants you to go out to the store to buy some lettuce for him. But—and heed my warning carefully—whatever you do, don't get iceberg lettuce, or he'll turn you into a pillar of salt.

Now, on a more serious note, how does the above appear to be any less credible than what you would hear in church?

[Thumper]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
I believe - correct me if I'm wrong - that the JWs think that every one of the 144,000 'saved' have already been born - and the apocalypse will come after the last of them dies.

From what I remember of my discussions with them, that's not quite right. They believe that only 144,000 will enter heaven, but the rest of the righteous will be given the new earth, the new Jerusalem, the original Garden of Eden... paradise on earth. They point to the books of Genesis and Revelation to show that we were all meant to live happily in the earthly paradise. Thus, while only the 144,000 go to heaven, the rest get that God originally intended.

[Hazelip]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If God tells me to do something I must follow his command. Could I refuse and repent for refusing later? Yes because God will forgive anything but I wouldn't refuse I would follow his command.

You do not understand true morality.

Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

[Thumper]

Originally posted by Hazelip
Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

Nice, pithy saying. Sadly, it is also true in many respects. However, can we not lump all religions and religious people into the same cauldron? Not all of us are as... ummmmm ...odd ...as 1inChrist. Many of us lead (or try to lead) a good life. We follow (or try to follow) many of the 'rules' in our religions because we realize that following those rules creates a better, more peaceful world. The rules (most of the rules) makes sense from a moral standpoint. I have no doubt in my mind that, were you and I neighbors, we'd be great friends (as long as you don't have a dog that barks at all hours of the night). :)

[Hazelip]

Doesn't matter. When it comes right down to it, you still believe in magic.

Furthermore, if you honestly believed that you magic skydaddy sent a command down from on high, you'd be flying that plane right along with 1inC and all the other lunatics out of touch with reality. Allah, god, Thor, Zues, or a talking pastry. Doesn't matter.

You believe in that which cannot possibly exist, and as with such belief, if you were to be presented with what you believed to be a command from such a magical creature, you would heed that command with little or no difficulty.

The most complimentary thing I can think about 1inC is his being honest about his delusional nature. You, on the other hand, are eager to recast your beliefs into their most Hallmark-card-like natures and will more than likely fall back on something equally pithy such as "my god would never command such a thing." When you craft your own gods, they never tell you to do things you don't want to do. Personal mythologies are wonderfully convenient like that.

As for being friends, maybe. As long as religion doesn't come up, I'm able to make friends most of the time. I don't pretend to have much respect for people who makes wishes and believe in magic, and oddly enough, people tend to get offended by that. I suppose they only appreciate truthfulness when it's what they want to hear.

[Thumper]

Ouch. My mistake. I guess you won't be accepting an invite to my block party after all. :)


"You believe in that which cannot possibly exist."

I disagree fully. As should most people on this forum. I believe in something for which there is no proof. There is a massive difference between the two positions. God can exist. He may not, but it is possible for God to exist.


"You, on the other hand, are eager to recast your beliefs into their most Hallmark-card-like natures..."

Hallmark-card-like natures? Wish I knew what that actually means. If it means accepting people and trying to find the good in the world, then yes. If it means writing in rhyme, then no.

As for whether or not my God would command me to fly a plane into a building, beats me. All I know is that if He does, then there's something wrong with my theology, and I'd have to re-examine all I knew (or thought I knew) about the world and God.


"When you craft your own gods, they never tell you to do things you don't want to do. Personal mythologies are wonderfully convenient like that."

They never tell you to do things you don't want to do? Isn't that a result of truly believing in some moral code (whether or not there is an external agent involved)?


"As for being friends, maybe. As long as religion doesn't come up, I'm able to make friends most of the time."

Can we at least talk politics? :p

[Hazelip]

Originally posted by Thumper
God can exist. He may not, but it is possible for God to exist.


My friend calls me up, tells me that my dog is running down the street. I take a look, because even though my dog is an indoor dog, it's possible she got out.

My friend calls me up, tells me that a gorilla is running down the street. I take a look, because even though it's not very likely, it's possible that a zoo from a traveling circus has lost a gorilla, or one was being delivered to a zoo, or Tallahassee has recently acquired a southern version of Siegfried and Roy.

My friend calls me up, tells me that a dinosaur is running down the street. I hang up the phone and take him off my list of people to speak with. Because, while it is technically possible it's not very likely. At all.

Go have fun making wishes for your magical skydaddy to grant from on high...

[Z]

Methinks, you are overly critical, HaZelip. Still... that's your choice.

Me, I believe in everything until proven otherwise. Is it practical? Probably not, but I just don't bother with worrying about it. We've only got this life? Cool - I'm enjoying every second I've got.

Hakuna Matata.

edited to change unintended insult... eeek!

[Hazelip]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Me, I believe in everything until proven otherwise. Is it practical? Probably not, but I just don't bother with worrying about it.

I can fly, see through brick walls, and eat my weight in oysters.

Prove me wrong.

Believing in everything be default is not only one of the dumbest things I've heard, it's also the laziest. You really apply no critical thought to anything you are told? Your mind is just a sponge for other people to fill with garbage? How nice for you... :rolleyes:

[Z]

Originally posted by Hazelip
[B]I can fly, see through brick walls, and eat my weight in oysters.

Good for you. Though I'd hate to see your john afterwards. :D

Prove me wrong.

Why bother? More power to you.

Believing in everything be default is not only one of the dumbest things I've heard, it's also the laziest. You really apply no critical thought to anything you are told? Your mind is just a sponge for other people to fill with garbage? How nice for you... :rolleyes:

Now, see, you misunderstand me. I apply critical thought to everything I'm told - and if something has been proven incorrect, then I don't believe in it. Since I've gotten a heck of an education in many fields, I can pretty much figure out what things are impossible and what are not. For example, I'm pretty sure the Earth is vaguely spheroid, that the Earth orbits around the Sun, and that the Moon isn't made of cheese. But at the same time, I have no reason to believe there isn't an Earth Goddess, Sun God, or Moon Deity, existing in a reality just beyond ours. They can't be disproven, or haven't really been disproven save through lack of evidence, so why worry about them?

Anyway, Hazzy, you're knickers are on waaay too tight. I suggest boxer briefs.