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Badly Shaved Monkey
17th October 2004, 08:18 AM
http://www.ancientway.com/articles/homeopathyunnatural.html

:)

Mojo
17th October 2004, 08:57 AM
Great! Are there any signs of homeopaths returning the favour?

MRC_Hans
17th October 2004, 10:08 AM
Hehehe, let's see:
(quote from the link in the opening post):
As an acupuncturist and herbalist, many people assume that I also practice and support homeopathy.

Because many do.

In fact, I’ve noticed that many people equate herbology with homeopathy.

Because they know very little of either.

I’ve certainly learned much about homeopathy and talked with many homeopaths over the years of my education. I’ve even tried homeopathy a couple of times. One of my teachers, who practiced homeopathy and radionics, liked to use this quote from Voltaire: “The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while Nature cures the disease.”

Good one! :D

Unfortunately, that’s very close to the truth for many alternative therapies. To be more accurate, it could be said that the art of many alternative healthcare providers, especially homeopaths, consists of profiting from the patient while they hope nature will cure the disease.

Even better! :D :D

If the basic principles and theories of homeopathy were to be supported by good quality evidence, I would be very supportive and would learn, use, promote, and sell homeopathy. However, with my understanding of homeopathy’s history, theories, and research, it would go against my ethics to prescribe or sell homeopathic remedies. Please recall that as an acupuncturist/herbalist with one of the most comprehensive online herbal pharmacies, I sell everything from Horny Goat Weed to “Peaceful Spirit” tablets. I am most definitely not a mouthpiece for the AMA or mainstream medicine. That doesn’t mean, however, that I ignore science or common sense.

Eeexcept when it comes to accupuncture and herbalism, that is :rolleyes:.

If it does not already exist, I'd like to coin the phrase: "Selective objectivity".

Hans

Benguin
17th October 2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Hehehe, let's see:
(quote from the link in the opening post):
If it does not already exist, I'd like to coin the phrase: "Selective objectivity".

Hans

I just don't get the relationship between homeopathy and herbalism at all.

Herbalism may, at least, show some efficacy in its remedies.

I would also see it is a fundamentally allopathic, within the constraints of that false dichotemy

Eos of the Eons
17th October 2004, 11:08 AM
Selective objectivity is a good way to put it.

Even more seen when trying to get people to use their product over others.

"My herbal remedy is the highest quality and actually works compared to the others on the market".

Yes, case in point being those (&$#$^# young living oils". They claim to be the most potent and most effective. They claim the other oils will cause reactions. Reactions with young oils are simply the oils working, and the reaction is temporary yet necessary.

The crap people will swallow from one product to another is astounding, just like one type of treatment compared to another.

Newsflash: They all suck. End of story.

Mojo
17th October 2004, 11:27 AM
What I find really incredible is that "remedies" purporting to work on mutually exlusive principles (e.g. homeopathy/ayurveda) are sold side by side in the same shop, with no sign of "selective objectivity" being used at all.

Benguin
17th October 2004, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Mojo
What I find really incredible is that "remedies" purporting to work on mutually exlusive principles (e.g. homeopathy/ayurveda) are sold side by side in the same shop, with no sign of "selective objectivity" being used at all.

These people don't get irony.

Badly Shaved Monkey
17th October 2004, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Benguin
These people don't get irony.

Yet not all of them are Americans. ;)

...runs before they can hit him...

exarch
18th October 2004, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by Mojo
What I find really incredible is that "remedies" purporting to work on mutually exlusive principles (e.g. homeopathy/ayurveda) are sold side by side in the same shop, with no sign of "selective objectivity" being used at all.Ehm, what's "ayurveda"?

Benguin
18th October 2004, 05:29 AM
It's a traditional indian medicine based on herbalism and spiritualism, I think.

Again, as fundamentally contradictory in ethos to homeopathy as acupuncture, modern medicine and all the others.

All woo is good woo.

anor277
18th October 2004, 05:51 AM
I was interested to note that one of the homeopathic ingredients mentioned in the article was „petroleum rectificatum“ D8 (whatever that is). Now while petroleum spirit has some solubility in water, the two liquids are completely immiscible. How can you perform a dilution on two phases? Clearly, the dilution stated is at best an educated guess.

Zombified
18th October 2004, 02:01 PM
He makes some pretty interesting points, particularly about homeopathic treatment of nutrient deficiencies. (duh!)

He's even challenging homeopaths to take the Randi challenge:

If you or someone you know has better results differentiating between a homeopathic remedy and a placebo using a pendulum or other device, please contact me and I’ll be glad to help you apply for and win the million dollar challenge offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation (www.jref.org).


Another skeptical-except-for-himself article from this guy which covers a lot more practices in less depth: http://www.ancientway.com/articles/betyourlife.html

That also mentions the Randi challenge, except he got the URL right in that one...

Kevin? Are you lurking here?