I just voted!

[thaiboxerken]

I voted Bush out!! Whoo hoo! Maybe the majority of other people will too. Then again, I wonder if majority vote will matter anyway.

[ManfredVonRichthoffen]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I voted Bush out!! Whoo hoo! Maybe the majority of other people will too. Then again, I wonder if majority vote will matter anyway. Absentee, eh? Did you vote while sitting on the toilet like I suggested?

[thaiboxerken]

Actually, my county (maybe even state) has vote by mail.

:-)

Yes, I did flush afterwards.

[HarryKeogh]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I voted Bush out!! Whoo hoo! Maybe the majority of other people will too. Then again, I wonder if majority vote will matter anyway.

on behalf of intelligent, caring, pro-choice, fiscally responsible, environment loving, all for stem-cell researching, unnecessary-war hating, keeping god out of government people everywhere I say thank you!

[Nasarius]

Sadly the Green Party didn't manage to get on the ballot in New York. Bafflingly, there are two Nader tickets: Nader/Pierce (Independence) and Nader/Camejo (Peace and Justice/Builders).
I really don't want to vote for that nutjob Badnarik, and the only other option is Roger Calero of the Socialist Workers Party, so it looks like I'm voting Nader. *sigh*

[Lisa Simpson]

My county has early voting, so I voted two weeks ago. However, the county also had some big problems with their new electronic voting system during the primary elections earlier this year, so I really hope that my vote actually counted. BTW, I voted for Kerry.

[CBL4]

Actually, my county (maybe even state) has vote by mail. I used to live in Oregon. I am planning on mailing my ballot in soon and then voting here in my home state. Just kidding, my mail is no longer forwarded. I told the person who bought my Oregon house to use my ballot wisely.

CBL

[Cleon]

Congratulations.

You just voted for Islamofascist militants to fly MORE planes into buildings. You voted for terrorism!!!!!

:D

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I voted Bush out!! Whoo hoo! 'Sokay. I'm personally gonna cancel out your vote on November 2.

You'll thank me someday.

[Just thinking]

Originally posted by BPSCG
'Sokay. I'm personally gonna cancel out your vote on November 2.

Why do so many people in different parts of the US think that they can cancel out another's vote who's not in their state? Forget about the Electoral College?

[Ion]

Originally posted by Cleon
Congratulations.

You just voted for Islamofascist militants to fly MORE planes into buildings. You voted for terrorism!!!!!

:D
You misunderstood:

thaiboxerken voted Bush out, so he voted out Bush's failures that you are describing.

What you are describing are indeed Bush's failures:

1.) September 16, 2004, the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has told the BBC that Bush's war against Iraq is illegal:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

and

2.) October 17, 2004, the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan declared that Bush's policies are increasing -not decreasing- terrorism:

here (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1155807,00.html)

Therefore, to fight terrorism, vote Kerry for President, Cleon!

[thaiboxerken]

You just voted for Islamofascist militants to fly MORE planes into buildings. You voted for terrorism

This is simply bullhockey, Kerry has no ties with Al Queda.

[Kerberos]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
This is simply bullhockey, Kerry has no ties with Al Queda.
I'm fairly sure that Cleon was joking, the capital letters and multible exclamation marks is pretty much a dead giveaway (unless you're debating Shanek that is).

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by Just thinking
Why do so many people in different parts of the US think that they can cancel out another's vote who's not in their state? Forget about the Electoral College? 'Sokay - my sister and her husband and their oldest, all in New Jersey, are going to cancel out your vote on election day! :p

[Cleon]

Er, yes, Cleon was joking...I thought the ":D" was a giveaway, but on a board that includes people like Patrick and 1inChrist, I guess it wasn't. :p

(It don't matter. I'm voting Nader.)

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by Cleon
(It don't matter. I'm voting Nader.) Behold, your own sig line proclaims you a liar.

[Cleon]

Originally posted by BPSCG
Behold, your own sig line proclaims you a liar.

?

A witticism from Sir Homer on the inevitable result of "lesser-evil" voting means I'm not voting for Nader?

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by Cleon
A witticism from Sir Homer on the inevitable result of "lesser-evil" voting means I'm not voting for Nader? I just hope you're not voting for Kodos the Executioner (http://www.scifi.com/startrek/episodes/13.html).

[Cleon]

Originally posted by BPSCG
I just hope you're not voting for Kodos the Executioner (http://www.scifi.com/startrek/episodes/13.html).

Incredible. I've been out-geeked. I never made the association between Kodos of "Kang and Kodos" fame and Star Trek.

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by Cleon
Incredible. I've been out-geeked. I never made the association between Kodos of "Kang and Kodos" fame and Star Trek. Heehee, I win!

BTW, speaking of Kang/Kodos/Star Trek/Simpsons:

http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~curtdan/Excelsior/Kang.jpg

[Jocko]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I voted Bush out!! Whoo hoo! Maybe the majority of other people will too. Then again, I wonder if majority vote will matter anyway.

Bad news, Ken. I just voted him back in. :D
Absentee balloting is fun, ain't it?

[Jocko]

Originally posted by BPSCG
'Sokay. I'm personally gonna cancel out your vote on November 2.

You'll thank me someday.

Sorry, already beat you to it. But look at the bright side... you get to cancel out Ion's vote instead.

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by Jocko
Sorry, already beat you to it. But look at the bright side... you get to cancel out Ion's vote instead. Oh, cripes, Ion probably really is going to vote for Kodos.

Y'know the thought's occurred to me that somewhere in this favored land, there's likely someone who's pulled the lever for every winning candidate since 1948, from president on down to ward 6 councilman's secretary, and has never once voted for a losing candidate.

We could save a lot of time, trouble, and expense if we could just identify and locate that person and let him/her cast a nationwide vote on election day. The rest of us could go back to watching CSI: Miami.

Just a thought...

[Cleon]

Originally posted by BPSCG

Y'know the thought's occurred to me that somewhere in this favored land, there's likely someone who's pulled the lever for every winning candidate since 1948, from president on down to ward 6 councilman's secretary, and has never once voted for a losing candidate.

We could save a lot of time, trouble, and expense if we could just identify and locate that person and let him/her cast a nationwide vote on election day. The rest of us could go back to watching CSI: Miami.

Just a thought...

It would beat the hell out of this irritating dog-and-pony show, that's for sure. "Kerry Flip-Flops!" "Bush wants to destroy the world!" ENOUGH already.

The only thing coming out of this election that's been remotely enjoyable is a billboard on I-85 that says "I'm Jack Daniels, and I approve this message," complete with pictures of a bottle and the ol' moonshiner himself.

[gnome]

Just want to mention that I feel strongly that until we have runoff voting (which I strongly advocate), unless you are damn near equally indifferent to the two leading candidates, this is not a good year for a third-party vote.

[Cleon]

Originally posted by gnome
Just want to mention that I feel strongly that until we have runoff voting (which I strongly advocate), unless you are damn near equally indifferent to the two leading candidates, this is not a good year for a third-party vote.

I feel strongly that both the Repulicrat and Demican parties stand for essentially the same things, run basically the same people, and basically try to ensure that third parties never will be able to challenge them.

Further, I feel strongly that constantly backing one of the major parties in hopes of someday getting instant runoff voting or a similar system is self-defeating, as neither of the two parties want such a system. Both parties rely on people voting for the "lesser of two evils."

Finally, I feel strongly that I'm royally sick and tired of being told "this is not a good year for a third party vote" - EVERY election. If not now, when IS a good year for it? I vote for third parties on principle; particularly the principle of voting for those who want to ensure third parties and independent candidates have a fair shot and the principle of voting for someone who most closely resembles my own political views. I'm not going to compromise that based on the same scare tactics of "Candidate ____ is Evvvillle, so you should hold your nose and vote for the guy who's running against him even though he doesn't differ from him in any significant way." This SAME crap comes up at every election, local and federal, and quite frankly it's a huge wad of BS based on the parties' mutual desire to hold on to their base of "people who don't hate them as much as they hate the other party."

[gnome]

Originally posted by Cleon
I feel strongly that both the Repulicrat and Demican parties stand for essentially the same things, run basically the same people, and basically try to ensure that third parties never will be able to challenge them.

I held this viewpoint in 2000... and have found that I was wrong--except for the last part. This at least we agree on.

I'm not going to compromise that based on the same scare tactics of "Candidate ____ is Evvvillle, so you should hold your nose and vote for the guy who's running against him even though he doesn't differ from him in any significant way."

I guess it depends on what you consider significant. To me the difference between Bush and Kerry is clear and critical. And I do not argue that this has always been so. I had trouble telling the Clinton-Dole platforms apart in '96 except for the usual fringe issues.

A third-party vote makes a statement against the two-party system, and that is useful... but not in a year when the election is so close, and the primary party choices so starkly different.

[circuit slave]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I voted Bush out!! Whoo hoo! Maybe the majority of other people will too. Then again, I wonder if majority vote will matter anyway.


God job, thaiboxerken! I applaud you for voting!


But my president is still going to to win, as he should :D

[Cleon]

Originally posted by gnome


I guess it depends on what you consider significant. To me the difference between Bush and Kerry is clear and critical. And I do not argue that this has always been so. I had trouble telling the Clinton-Dole platforms apart in '96 except for the usual fringe issues.


Yeah, I know the many differences. The war--oh, wait, Kerry was for that. The Patriot Act--oh, right, he was for that too.

The fact that the rhetoric is "nicer" does not indicate a substantial difference.


A third-party vote makes a statement against the two-party system, and that is useful... but not in a year when the election is so close, and the primary party choices so starkly different.

A vote for a party/candidate I support is a vote for a party/candidate I support. Nothing more, nothing less. It might be a "statement against the two-party system," but a vote for one of the major parties with excuses like "this is not the year for it" (which comes up EVERY election) is an action that reinforces the two-party system and ensures that nothing will change.

[Jocko]

Originally posted by BPSCG
Oh, cripes, Ion probably really is going to vote for Kodos.

Y'know the thought's occurred to me that somewhere in this favored land, there's likely someone who's pulled the lever for every winning candidate since 1948, from president on down to ward 6 councilman's secretary, and has never once voted for a losing candidate.

We could save a lot of time, trouble, and expense if we could just identify and locate that person and let him/her cast a nationwide vote on election day. The rest of us could go back to watching CSI: Miami.

Just a thought...

Gore still would have demanded umpteen recounts, even under that scenario. But it does add a new dimension the the old saw, "one man, one vote!"

[fishbob]

Y'know the thought's occurred to me that somewhere in this favored land, there's likely someone who's pulled the lever for every winning candidate since 1948, from president on down to ward 6 councilman's secretary, and has never once voted for a losing candidate.

We could save a lot of time, trouble, and expense if we could just identify and locate that person and let him/her cast a nationwide vote on election day. The rest of us could go back to watching CSI: Miami.

From the fine print on mutual fund prospectuses: Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Besides, quite a few rat scrotumses have been elected since 1948.

[geni]

Originally posted by BPSCG
Oh, cripes, Ion probably really is going to vote for Kodos.

Y'know the thought's occurred to me that somewhere in this favored land, there's likely someone who's pulled the lever for every winning candidate since 1948, from president on down to ward 6 councilman's secretary, and has never once voted for a losing candidate.

We could save a lot of time, trouble, and expense if we could just identify and locate that person and let him/her cast a nationwide vote on election day. The rest of us could go back to watching CSI: Miami.

Just a thought...


There was an asimove story roughly bases on that premese.

[thaiboxerken]

Originally posted by Cleon
Yeah, I know the many differences. The war--oh, wait, Kerry was for that. The Patriot Act--oh, right, he was for that too.


Yes, but I doubt if Kerry was president, he could've pulled these things off. That's why I am voting for Kerry, because he can't get things done.

Bush gets all the wrong things done.

[gnome]

Originally posted by Cleon
Yeah, I know the many differences. The war--oh, wait, Kerry was for that. The Patriot Act--oh, right, he was for that too.

The fact that the rhetoric is "nicer" does not indicate a substantial difference.

In the aftermath of 9-11 it would have been political suicide to vote against the Patriot Act. That's one of the reasons I don't like it, because it was rushed in before the country was done being pissed off enough to have a reasoned debate about what was needed to help out. Political opportunism at its finest... I'm disappointed in the Dems for caving, but I still understand the political reality behind it. Now that some time has passed, it's time to review certain of the provisions, and Kerry is for that. Bush has offered nothing exept blind defense of the entire act.

As for the war... can you narrow down the entire issue to a simple for-or-against? It happened, and they have very different views on how to proceed.

A vote for a party/candidate I support is a vote for a party/candidate I support. Nothing more, nothing less. It might be a "statement against the two-party system," but a vote for one of the major parties with excuses like "this is not the year for it" (which comes up EVERY election) is an action that reinforces the two-party system and ensures that nothing will change.

To me that's saying that the flaws of the two-party system is the biggest issue at stake this year... something I don't agree with. But I don't say that it's that way every year.

[Ion]

This:
Originally posted by BPSCG
'Sokay. I'm personally gonna cancel out your vote on November 2.
...

this:
Originally posted by BPSCG
'Sokay - my sister and her husband and their oldest, all in New Jersey, are going to cancel out your vote on election day!...
and this:
Originally posted by Jocko
Bad news, Ken. I just voted him back in...
are written by American saboteurs.

They are in the company of these 'illustrious' pro-Bush 'references':

.) Putin (Russia),

.) Berlusconi (Italy),

and

.) some government dude in Iran.

When does Kim Jong (North Korea) chime in support for Bush?

Can Milosevic (Yougoslavia) make a Bush endorsement from his prison in the Hague?

[c4ts]

Fortunately someone voted to cancel you out. That's good, because it means I don't have to drop my vote to cancel out 1inC. Now all we need is a fifth, informed voter supporting Bush.

[thaiboxerken]

Why would an informed voter actually vote for Bush?

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Why would an informed voter actually vote for Bush?

Well because Kerry stole their lolly pop and they never forgat that.

[peptoabysmal]

Congratulations, you just voted for a self-admitted war criminal.

You could have voted for Fritz the Cat and Kerry would have still gotten Oregon's electoral votes.

[Ion]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
Congratulations, you just voted for a self-admitted war criminal.
...

No.

You are confused:

thaiboxerken didn't vote for Bush, the "...war criminal...".

This Bush:
Originally posted by Ion

...
1.) September 16, 2004, the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has told the BBC that Bush's war against Iraq is illegal:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm
...

The Bush who terrorizes the world.

And the Bush who ruins US, diplomatically, economically and militarily.

thaiboxerken voted -rightly so- for Kerry!

[Ion]

'The American Conservative' magazine endorses Kerry, here:

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover1.html

Read the link.

It is by traditional Republicans.

[Chickensrevenge]

absentee ballot.

Voted.

Not for Bush.

'Nuff said.


Edited to add: I guess not enough said. Wife wanted me to say she voted against Bush too.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Why would an informed voter actually vote for Bush?

Lots of reasons. Bush's tax reform proposal means more money in your pockets, his plan for opportunity zones will increase employment and that means better chances of getting a job, he'll give you money for health savings so you can afford to pay for those expensive pills and doctor visits as well as make health care more accessable to the poor, he'll crack down on drugs in public schools to make sure that money goes right back into the US economy where it belongs instead of funding Columbian fascist paramilitary rebels who smuggle drugs into our country, he'll fix up our social security system to make it easier to build retirement funds, he'll stock the Federal courts with hangin' judges who have no sympathy for those flag burning unemployed communist hippies who hate America, and by staying the hell away from business as Adam Smith intended he can continue to make our country rich with our free market economy! We'll be rich I say! And then we will take over the world, starting with Iraq! Muhahahahahaha!

[Ion]

Originally posted by Chickensrevenge
absentee ballot.

Voted.

Not for Bush.

'Nuff said.


Edited to add: I guess not enough said. Wife wanted me to say she voted against Bush too.
Thank you, my friend.

[BPSCG]

Originally posted by geni
There was an asimove story roughly bases on that premese. Yeah, he stole the idea from me...