Everyone Who Protests in America Is Allied With Iraq

[Jedi Knight]

Everyone who protests the war in Iraq in America on the streets of our cities (especially the Saddomonites in San Francisco), is an ally of Iraq purposely and provides Iraq aid and comfort as US troops fight for their lives to free the Iraqi people.

Something may need to be done about the severe subversion in this country. I don't really know what the remedy should be, but something needs to be done. Maybe a mandatory 1 year in prison would do the trick.

JK

[John Bryce]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Something may need to be done about the severe subversion in this country. I don't really know what the remedy should be, but something needs to be done. Maybe a mandatory 1 year in prison would do the trick.

Here is a list of countries you may be interested in immigrating to:

AFGHANISTAN
ANGOLA
AZERBAIJAN
BELARUS
BHUTAN
BRUNEI
BURUNDI
CAMBODIA
CAMEROON
CHINA
CONGO BRAZZAVILLE
CONGO KINSHASA
COTE D'IVOIRE
CUBA
EGYPT
EQUATORIAL GUINEA
ERITREA
GAMBIA
GUINEA
HAITI
IRAN
KAZAKHSTAN
KYRGYZSTAN
LAOS
LIBERIA
LIBYA
MALDIVES
MAURITANIA
MYANMAR
NORTH KOREA
OMAN
QATAR
RWANDA
SAUDI ARABIA
SOLOMON ISLANDS
SOMALIA
SUDAN
SWAZILAND
SYRIA
TAJIKISTAN
TOGO
TUNISIA
TURKMENISTAN
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
UZBEKISTAN
VIETNAM
YEMEN
ZIMBABWE

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by John Bryce


Here is a list of countries you may be interested in immigrating to:

AFGHANISTAN
ANGOLA
AZERBAIJAN
BELARUS
BHUTAN
BRUNEI
BURUNDI
CAMBODIA
CAMEROON
CHINA
CONGO BRAZZAVILLE
CONGO KINSHASA
COTE D'IVOIRE
CUBA
EGYPT
EQUATORIAL GUINEA
ERITREA
GAMBIA
GUINEA
HAITI
IRAN
KAZAKHSTAN
KYRGYZSTAN
LAOS
LIBERIA
LIBYA
MALDIVES
MAURITANIA
MYANMAR
NORTH KOREA
OMAN
QATAR
RWANDA
SAUDI ARABIA
SOLOMON ISLANDS
SOMALIA
SUDAN
SWAZILAND
SYRIA
TAJIKISTAN
TOGO
TUNISIA
TURKMENISTAN
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
UZBEKISTAN
VIETNAM
YEMEN
ZIMBABWE

But if I leave the United States and emmigrate, as you suggest, that leaves the radical subversive left in this country to march without a heroic capitalist like me pointing out that they are useful idiots for communist causes.

JK

[PogoPedant]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Something may need to be done about the severe subversion in this country. (...) Maybe a mandatory 1 year in prison would do the trick.

'Cause freedom is all about following orders.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by PogoPedant

'Cause freedom is all about following orders.

Freedom is about supporting those things that protect freedom, not subversion.

JK

[shemp]

You know what's really obscene JK? People like you are big fans of free speech until someone says something you don't like. Then you want to silence them.

Free speech isn't just for neo-nazi a**holes like you, it's for everyone in this country.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by shemp
You know what's really obscene JK? People like you are big fans of free speech until someone says something you don't like. Then you want to silence them.

Free speech isn't just for neo-nazi a**holes like you, it's for everyone in this country.

Subversion against the US government is not free speech.

JK

[shemp]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Subversion against the US government is not free speech.

JK

Peaceful protest against war is not subversion. Except in your sick mind.

[arcticpenguin]

Everyone who wishes to silence political protest is allied with Stalin.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by shemp


Peaceful protest against war is not subversion. Except in your sick mind.

Oh so "peaceful" attempts to overthrow the government is not subversion? One of the main groups that organized the San Fran Saddomonite marches said that they hoped to overthrow the government using the same means as that used in Yugoslavia. That is subversion, not peace.

JK

Everyone Who Protests in America Is Allied With Iraq


Keep going JK, you're doing a great job of demonstrating to normal Americans just why many of your countrymen are so deeply loathed and despised.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant


Keep going JK, you're doing a great job of demonstrating to normal Americans just why many of your countrymen are so deeply loathed and despised.

Well we aren't commies so naturally communists loathe and despise us.

JK

[fidiot]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Maybe a mandatory 1 year in prison would do the trick.

Why 1 year? Why not just shoot the protesters on the spot? Wouldn't that ensure "freedom" in USA faster? :rolleyes:

You are sick.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant


Keep going JK, you're doing a great job of demonstrating to normal Americans just why many of your countrymen are so deeply loathed and despised.

I like to think that most non-Americans are smart enough not to buy JK=average American.

I certainly don't hold your 'cheer[ing] when then the WTC came down' against all people from the UK.

MattJ

Originally posted by aerocontrols


I like to think that most non-Americans are smart enough not to buy JK=average American.

I certainly don't hold your 'cheer[ing] when then the WTC came down' against all people from the UK.

MattJ


JK is kind of a 'distilled concentrate' of the problem.

[Baker]

Let me repeat something Luke pointed out in another thread.
Just a few members of the coalition behind this peace march

American Muslims for Global Peace

Al-Awda Palestine Right of Return Coalition, NY & NJ

Committee for a Democratic Palestine

Committee for Rescue & Development in Vieques, Puerto Rico
(I believe these are the guys who demonstrate against our American forces war exercises on Vieques)

Green Party USA

Muslims Against Racism and War

New Communist Party of the Netherlands, Netherlands

Dominican Workers Party, NYC

Muslim Student & Faculty Association

All Peoples Congress, Baltimore, Maryland

Workers World Party

Korea Truth Commission


Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist

Anti-Imperialist League, Belgium

Atlanta Masjid of Al-Islam, Atlanta, Georgia

Masjid Al Muminun, Atlanta, Georgia

Hadayai Majeed - Muslim Women's Political Action Committee

Cape Cod Coalition Against Iraq Sanctions, Falmouth, Massachusetts

Workers' Party of Belgium, Belgium

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15663

[Rose]

Americans have the right to peaceful protest. There are plenty of laws on the books for those who violate the bounds of their rights. I only hope that the localities are willing and able to enforce those laws, so that people not interested in the protest do not have THEIR rights violated when the protesters decide to shut down streets and vandalize property illegally.

[shanek]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Subversion against the US government is not free speech.

The Constitution specifically says that we have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[Wayne Grabert]

"Where there is no dissent, there can be no democracy." I forget who said it first. It makes sense to me.

[kerfer]

Originally posted by shemp


Peaceful protest against war is not subversion. Except in your sick mind.

Except that the protests are becoming less and less peaceful, and requiring more and more police presence.

And therein lies the rub. If these uninformed idiots want to go sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya, I'm all for it. However, when they involve hundreds, or in many cases, thousands of police in order to keep the peace and fight the unrest caused by these self-centered left-wing radicals, then the focus has changed.

One of the things that is feared about this necessary military action is that some wacko fundamentalist radical muslim terrorist group might try another terrorist attack in the U.S.

I think that our society could use the police far more effectively to be trying to detect and put down any attempted terrorist attack than to babysit a bunch of spoiled little brats.

If anything should happen on American soil, there will be blood on the hands of the self-centered, short-sighted left wing radicals.

If they would take a moment and stop being so incredibly in love with themselves for just a moment, they would see that what they are doing is counter to the good of the country, nee, civilized world society for future generations.

So while I disagree that these idiots are being literally subversive, they're on that track.

Wanna know what I really think? ;)

[Jim Lennox]

I think that our society could use the police far more effectively to be trying to detect and put down any attempted terrorist attack than to babysit a bunch of spoiled little brats.

Good point kerfer.

[Wayne Grabert]

I'll add that I think the "direct action" style of protest that stops traffic and such is counter-productive. I don't think it has to do with narcissism as some have suggested, (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j031703.html) but with anger and frustration. However, making others angry at and frustrated by you doesn't seem like a smart tactic.

[corplinx]

I've said it before and I will say it again. The time for blocking traffic was months ago. They could have blocked runways the military charters used. They could have blocked roads the military was using for converying supplies. They could have made a bold statement about their passion against war.

These people who protest now are not mostly anti-war but mostly anti-bush. They will be against whatever he does. I think the intellectual pacifists are staying home.

[Tony]

http://www.protestwarrior.com/

[Troll]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Everyone who protests the war in Iraq in America on the streets of our cities (especially the Saddomonites in San Francisco), is an ally of Iraq purposely and provides Iraq aid and comfort as US troops fight for their lives to free the Iraqi people.

Something may need to be done about the severe subversion in this country. I don't really know what the remedy should be, but something needs to be done. Maybe a mandatory 1 year in prison would do the trick.

JK

Yep. you were army. Brainwashed into a mindset and not quite pushed to be made a true warrior

seen your kind too many times. All you're good for is Marine corps barroom fight stories.

be smart and go away jk. Hell I trieed supporting ya, you were too igorant to see that . You're basically no more than a loud and opinionated dumbass. And I say again, it saddens me. Because I am a republican, but moron like you can make some of ther unsure wussies turn into a liberal.

[Troll]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant


Keep going JK, you're doing a great job of demonstrating to normal Americans just why many of your countrymen are so deeply loathed and despised.

Like you got room to talk?

"I cheered when then the WTC came down. "Undercover Elephant

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Troll


Yep. you were army. Brainwashed into a mindset and not quite pushed to be made a true warrior

seen your kind too many times. All you're good for is Marine corps barroom fight stories.

be smart and go away jk. Hell I trieed supporting ya, you were too igorant to see that . You're basically no more than a loud and opinionated dumbass. And I say again, it saddens me. Because I am a republican, but moron like you can make some of ther unsure wussies turn into a liberal.

lol

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by shanek


The Constitution specifically says that we have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

You can petition the government through the courts and your elected representatives. I don't see how overthrowing the government can be interpreted as petitioning government. Overthrowing the government is not petitioning the government. It is subversive activity against the nation-state.

JK

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by Troll


Like you got room to talk?

"I cheered when then the WTC came down. "Undercover Elephant

Did UE really say that? Please provide source. Thanks.

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant

JK is kind of a 'distilled concentrate' of the problem.
UndercoverElephant, why would you cheer when the WTC fell down? Are you a supporter of the neoconservatives? (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/johnson1.html) After George W. Bush became president, many of these men returned to positions of power in American foreign policy. For nine months, they bided their time. They were waiting, in the words of PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses," for a "catastrophic and catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor" that would mobilize the public and allow them to put their theories and plans into practice. September 11 was, of course, precisely what they needed. Condoleezza Rice called together members of the National Security Council and asked them "to think about 'how do you capitalize on these opportunities' to fundamentally change American doctrine, and the shape of the world, in the wake of September 11th." She said, "I really think this period is analogous to 1945 to 1947," when fear and paranoia led the United States into its Cold War with the USSR. (3)

(Let's see...an elephant is the symbol of the Republican Party and the neoconservatives have taken over the GOP. He calls himself UndercoverElephant. Hmmm.)

[DrChinese]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Everyone who protests the war in Iraq in America on the streets of our cities (especially the Saddomonites in San Francisco), is an ally of Iraq purposely and provides Iraq aid and comfort as US troops fight for their lives to free the Iraqi people.

JK

I should be smart enough to know when I'm being baited, but...

Q: Who said this?

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Oh, it was said during wartime as well. [insert Jeopardy theme here]

A: President Theodore Roosevelt, 1918.

P.S. He was a "good" Republican.

[Troll]

looking for original post now. UCE really did say that. someone iscurrently using it in their sig quote

[Troll]

Here we go

"UndercoverElephant
Dreamweaver

Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Brighton, England
Posts: 3071

quote:
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well actually I asked if I even need to be, as I'm not 100% at the moment and yet I can see the bias in your posts

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have spent many years slowly getting more and more p**sed off with American foreign policy and the attitudes of American people. For me, trashing Kyoto because it "threatened US jobs" was the final straw. I cheered when then the WTC came down. I saw it as the first real sign of hope for the world. Finally somebody had provided a message to the US in the only language it is capable of understanding - that of violence and dollars.

If you think I sound like an extremist, and that my views are not echoed from one end of planet Earth to the other then I suspect you, like most Americans, have a very poor understanding of the way your country is percieved from outside. My views are reflected all over the globe. America is internationally despised.


__________________
"Whatever you say something is--it is not" -- Alfred Korzybski

found here

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14787&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

[Rusty_the_boy_robot]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Everyone who protests the war in Iraq in America on the streets of our cities (especially the Saddomonites in San Francisco), is an ally of Iraq purposely and provides Iraq aid and comfort as US troops fight for their lives to free the Iraqi people.

Something may need to be done about the severe subversion in this country. I don't really know what the remedy should be, but something needs to be done. Maybe a mandatory 1 year in prison would do the trick.

JK


Hahhhaa. Doesn't anyone else find this guy amusing. You know he's not serious, he just says all this stuff to rile everybody up. No one is this stupid, it's just a joke. He probably gets off on getting everyone to believe him.

He's just an IMPOSTER (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame54.html) of a TROGLODYTE (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame39.html) . The sooner we all realize this the sooner we can laugh with him, because he has to be laughing.

[max]

Jedi makes a lot of sense to me. Peaceful protests ...ok. but not when the troups are out there fighting for these pathetic do-gooders. :rolleyes:

[Aquila_ka_Hecate]

You must be right, Rusty-no one could simultaneously hold the views JK apparently does and not have his head explode from cognitive dissonance!

But I still find him very, very irritating.:D


(max-JK makes a lot of sense to you?

Which reason-forsaken planet are you from?)

Terri

Originally posted by Supercharts


Did UE really say that? Please provide source. Thanks.

UCE also repeatedly apologised for this specific statement on the grounds it wasn't true and had been said for effect, withdrew it, and explained that he didn't actually cheer when the WTC came down.

I have many times used peoples quotes in my sig. However, if on any occasion the person in question publicly apologised and withdrew the statement in question I would not continue to repeat it anyway.

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Rusty_the_boy_robot

Hahhhaa. Doesn't anyone else find this guy amusing. You know he's not serious, he just says all this stuff to rile everybody up. No one is this stupid, it's just a joke. He probably gets off on getting everyone to believe him.


You got it right.

He just says this stuff on the net, I bet he wouldn't talk this way in the real world, in front of real people.

He is like a parody.

[Beebop]

The so-called "peace protestors" that are interferring in other American's lives with their "peaceful" demonstrations would be well served by a "peaceful" and "civilized" bullet. I have no respect for these ******** that don't understand the difference between peaceful assembly and riot. None.

[Rusty_the_boy_robot]

Originally posted by Beebop
The so-called "peace protestors" that are interferring in other American's lives with their "peaceful" demonstrations would be well served by a "peaceful" and "civilized" bullet. I have no respect for these ******** that don't understand the difference between peaceful assembly and riot. None.


Ahahhaa! I get it, you are presenting us with an amusing paradox! The same man that has no patience for those protestors that fail to draw the line between peaceful demonstration and riots fails himself to draw the line between peaceful containment and murder!

You should write political comics for the news papers!

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Oh so "peaceful" attempts to overthrow the government is not subversion? One of the main groups that organized the San Fran Saddomonite marches said that they hoped to overthrow the government using the same means as that used in Yugoslavia. That is subversion, not peace.

JK

You may be a combat veteran, but you are still one serious idiot!

It will take much, much, much more than several thousand anti-war protestors in San Francisco to overthrow the entire country.

Look at history: How many countries have been overthrown by such actions?
None at all!

Look at practicality: How many Americans would support the overthrow of their government based on what some people do in San Francisco?
Very few, if any.

Do not worry JK, it is all right, I can be assure you that the USA will not be overthrown by anti-war protestors.

[Rusty_the_boy_robot]

Originally posted by Crossbow


You may be a combat veteran, but you are still one serious idiot!

It will take much, much, much more than several thousand anti-war protestors in San Francisco to overthrow the entire country.

Look at history: How many countries have been overthrown by such actions?
None at all!

Look at practicality: How many Americans would support the overthrow of their government based on what some people do in San Francisco?
Very few, if any.

Do not worry JK, it is all right, I can be assure you that the USA will not be overthrown by anti-war protestors.


JK is an entertaining personality who is here to entertain himself and us. No one thinks that stuff, it's just there to fool people so we can laugh. Like television!

[Crossbow]

Amen Rusty!

Too think that the people in the White House and in the Congress would be so cowled by anti-war protestors that they would allow these protestors to dictate terms to them is laughable.

It takes considerably more effort than a few protests to overthrow a country.

If the powers that be would be more honest about what was going on and not what they think we need to hear, then there might be more support for wars like this.

What I despise about wars in general is the loss of innocent lives that get caught up in it and the fact a war happens and then those who start the fighting then turn there back on the aftermath that goes on. there is my big problem with war in general.

If that mean that I am a matriarchal limp wristed feminatzi tough sh*t and deal with it while licking my boots clean:D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
Do not worry JK, it is all right, I can be assure you that the USA will not be overthrown by anti-war protestors.

I agree. :D

http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/attack/A-10_3.jpg

JK

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Biker Babe
If the powers that be would be more honest about what was going on and not what they think we need to hear, then there might be more support for wars like this.



Word! What pisses me off is this propagand bullshat. If I here that our motives are for "iraq freedom" or "democracy" just one more time Ill scream.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tmy


Word! What pisses me off is this propagand bullshat. If I here that our motives are for "iraq freedom" or "democracy" just one more time Ill scream.

Hi Tmy, hey did you know that the US operations in Iraq are for Iraqi freedom and Iraqi democracy?

JK

[armageddonman]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hi Tmy, hey did you know that the US operations in Iraq are for Iraqi freedom and Iraqi democracy?

JK

Yet, you want to kill people who express their opinion freely. That's not democratic that's fascistic.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by armageddonman


Yet, you want to kill people who express their opinion freely. That's not democratic that's fascistic.

No, I want to make sure the nation-state is protected. I recommend 1 year in jail for those brats.

Now, check out the latest Saddomonite slogan:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers2.gif

Those protestors are subversive and very, very dangerous to the stability of the country. They are probably all communists acting like they tolerate freedom, when in reality in the back of their minds they envision a communist Stalinist terror-state modeled after their heroes like Kruschev and Lenin.

JK

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hi Tmy, hey did you know that the US operations in Iraq are for Iraqi freedom and Iraqi democracy?

JK

That was cruel JK, I like it:D clean my boots asap

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I agree. :D

JK

That is one helluva ugly airplane, sorry but it is ugly.

Originally posted by Tmy


Word! What pisses me off is this propaganda bullshat. If I here that our motives are for "iraq freedom" or "democracy" just one more time Ill scream.

You may scream anytime you feel like it Tmy, try doing it standing in the corner it echos nicely:D

Propaganda bullsh*t, so are you suggesting the innocent people of Iraq those same ones that were egged on last time to overthrow Saddam should be all wiped out?

I think I need to scream or take out my frustration out on some male.:mad:

[Crossbow]

Good for you JK!

I am glad that we agree that your previous statements regarding how the anti-war protestors will overthrow the government of the USA were incorrect.

Rather, it seems like your real problem is what some of these protestors are saying (such as those in the photo you posted). If this is the case, then I think you will just have to deal with your anger because I doubt that they could be jailed just for saying something.

To be considered subversive, one must take a material action directed against the US government for the purpose of harming the prosecution of the war.

Granted, the sign does make an outlandish statement, just waving it around would not be considered subversive because doing so is nothing more than waving around a sign with an outlandish statement. After all, the US Supreme Court ruled a while back that flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech, so I expect that this sign would have similar protection.

I hope this helps!

[Agammamon]

Last time I checked the US government asnwered to its citizens, not the other way around. I certainly know that if one of my subordinates does something I don't like, I'll let them know about it and correct their error. The government works for me and I'll bloody well let it know when I think it's screwing up.
And anyway, if pretesting against your government is subversive, seditious, or whatever, why aren't we still a colony? According to your view, JK, the founding fathers are traitors to their king, not revolutionaries who broke away from a corrupt and exploitive government.

Originally posted by Jedi Knight



Those protestors are subversive and very, very dangerous to the stability of the country. They are probably all communists acting like they tolerate freedom, when in reality in the back of their minds they envision a communist Stalinist terror-state modeled after their heroes like Kruschev and Lenin.

JK

Could be. They are definitely out of line with these sentiments.

But why can't you see that they are your mirror image on the left? They make outrageous leftist statements, you make outrageous rightist statements. You are both equally uncaring about the fact that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

You are actually worse than them. They don't want to see you shot. (At least they don't say so loudly in public forums.)

There's one logical tool I try to use that I don't see you using very much - the idea of turning a situation around to gain perspective. I wish you could see that you lack perspective. I also think you lack a basic understanding of what America is about at all. I wouldn't want to live in your ideal of America, I don't think.

Just my 2 cents.

[Rusty_the_boy_robot]

Originally posted by sundog


Could be. They are definitely out of line with these sentiments.

But why can't you see that they are your mirror image on the left? They make outrageous leftist statements, you make outrageous rightist statements. You are both equally uncaring about the fact that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

You are actually worse than them. They don't want to see you shot. (At least they don't say so loudly in public forums.)

There's one logical tool I try to use that I don't see you using very much - the idea of turning a situation around to gain perspective. I wish you could see that you lack perspective. I also think you lack a basic understanding of what America is about at all. I wouldn't want to live in your ideal of America, I don't think.

Just my 2 cents.

JK doesn't really want to see anyone shot, we all just think it's funny when he says it and everybody starts thrashing around. He's like Jay Leno on the television!

[headscratcher4]

The fact is, it is this kind of "subversion" -- citizens, out on the street, peacefully (for the vast majority of the protestors) if vigorously protesting government policy in spite of the known views of the majority of the population, that gives me some hope for America.

Unlike many nations in the world, unlike our (the US's) current adversary, protest that uses extreme language (i.e. "over-throw" the government) is not only respected in law (though not always in application of law) and, for the most part, by tradition.

I believe these folks to be foolishly wrong, but as an American and a patriot, I can only defend their right to be wrong...Just as I don't agree with this Administration's war, but understand that they, too, have the right to be wrong (at least until the next election).

To, once again, paraphrase that great and dangerous subversive, Ben Franklin, those who too easily give away their liberty and freedom in a time of fear, shall have, and deserve, neither.

JK's solution to this problem, his solution to people who think, speak, understand other than how he understands "reality" is a solution that both Hitler and Stalin would understand and approve of.

Freedom, freedom of thought, speech, assembly, etc., sadly, today remains throughout most of the world, the ultimate "subversive" activity. In short, without this sort of "subversion" -- or, at the very least, the patient toleration of it -- there is no America worth defending. Indeed, we than might as well admit that we are in Iraq for the oil and the exercise of raw power and begin backing away from all of the noble expressions about bringing "liberty" and "freedom" to the Iraqi people.

In the end, JK, a system like the United States, or any true free society, can ultimately and only be "subverted" -- a'la Lenin -- when at its core the vast majority of the population has lost all faith in the morality, guiding ethic, principals and leadership of the nation. If you are suggesting that these small, issolated and delusional protesters represent a threat to US policy or the current administration, than either you've lost your mind completely, or George Bush and his crew have completely subverted the freedoms, principals, ethics and values that they claim to stand for.

In short, becoming and advocating facisim to avoid communisim, as stated, is a solution that Hitler and Stalin could completely understand. And, while you will deny that is what you (JK) are advocating, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, one might conclude that it is a duck (admitedly, a "subversive" thought).

Just my 2Cents.

[Wayne Grabert]

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

And the Jedi Knight shall lay down with the Undercover Elephant and say unto him, "Get thee out of my tent, thou damned communist Saddamonite!"

And nothing shall hurt nor destroy in all His kingdom.

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by Crossbow

Do not worry JK, it is all right, I can be assure you that the USA will not be overthrown by anti-war protestors.
Unless there is enough of them, and those bed hopping, dirty hippies breed like rats! :mad:

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

And the Jedi Knight shall lay down with the Undercover Elephant and say unto him, "Get thee out of my tent, thou communist Saddamonite!"

And nothing shall hurt nor destroy in all His kingdom.
Oh that so not fair how come UCE gets to share JK tent I don't get an invite:(

JK dont lub me sniff:(

[Wayne Grabert]

And the Jedi Knight shall say unto the buxom Biker Babe, "Thou skin is soft as lamb's wool, thou hair as fragrant as a meadow. Get thee to my tent and spread thy wings! But don't awaken Q-Source who sleepest like a baby after making my dinner."

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by Agammamon
Last time I checked the US government asnwered to its citizens, not the other way around.
Someone has been out of the loop. ;)

[Chris Haynes]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


No, I want to make sure the nation-state is protected. I recommend 1 year in jail for those brats.

...
Those protestors are subversive and very, very dangerous to the stability of the country. ...

I feel like I am in early 70's deja-vu... and I think I heard the same stuff from my dad. Yet there seem to be fewer communist countries around (with one big advantage, the Socialist Worker Party folks are no longer hanging out near the University trying to tell us what a great place the USSR is anymore). And this country still has its constitution intact, including the 1st Amendment - even with a bit of bending for "Homeland Security".

Actually I don't think those "brats" are being very bright, but I doubt a year in jail for expressing their opinion is going to change it. I personally would like to see their expressions if someone asked them why they were advocating murder.

(Since I was an Army Brat... my dad is a retired officer who came up through the ranks from PfC, and my brother is also a retired Army officer --- I think I would walk up and ask why they would kill members of my family)

There are idiots on both sides. From http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=protest22m&date=20030322 ... I would like to see how a "peaceful" protester defends striking a horse and another for breaking a window:
"Yesterday, three people were arrested. One for striking a police horse with a wooden pole, one for a concealed weapon (a knife) and another for breaking a car window."

And how a "true American" defends vandalizing a legal business: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jeangodden/134658365_godden21m.html

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hi Tmy, hey did you know that the US operations in Iraq are for Iraqi freedom and Iraqi democracy?

JK

AAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

OK JK, next you got to throw out a "protesting hurts our troops" line. Then my head will explode.

[Megalodon]

I just feel the compulsion to open the window and shout:

"protesting hurts our troops"

What was that? It sounded like "ka-bang"

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert

. Get thee to my tent and spread thoust wings! dinner."

"Thy" wings.

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant


"Thy" wings.
Thanks, UCE. I've corrected my post. Golly, you Brits speak our language like you invented it!

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert
And the Jedi Knight shall say unto the buxom Biker Babe, "Thou skin is soft as lamb's wool, thou hair as fragrant as a meadow. Get thee to my tent and spread thy wings! But don't awaken Q-Source who sleepest like a baby after making my dinner." [offtopic]
What you mean Q source has her dibs on JK too:eek:

Sniff my fairy matriarchal feminnatzi communist black heart is shattered and broken.:(

*sob sob wail*

Right enough of the slushinees wheres my whip and leg irons somebody is going to suffer my broken heart.[on topic]

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Well we aren't commies so naturally communists loathe and despise us.

JK

Err, Jedi, there isn't anyone who has a clue about me who would assert that I'm a "commie" of any sort, but I am also quite interested in voting out the present US government and having it replaced, in due course of law, with a new government that has a clue about basic civil liberties.

I am not standing in the street protesting this war, because I think Saddamn is a mcuh lower life form than 'W', something that puts Saddamn somewhere in the Halobacter sort of primitiveness.

None the less, I find your personal opinion exactly LIKE that of Saddamn Hussein, you want to punish those who disagree with you through the use of force and government authority.

You sound like you'd like to live in last month's Iraq, as one of the leaders, dude. Did you mean to sound that way?

[jj]

Originally posted by Rose
Americans have the right to peaceful protest. There are plenty of laws on the books for those who violate the bounds of their rights. I only hope that the localities are willing and able to enforce those laws, so that people not interested in the protest do not have THEIR rights violated when the protesters decide to shut down streets and vandalize property illegally.

It does make one wonder. According to the Seattle Times, last weekend they herded all the demonstrators onto one city block and wouldn't let them leave for a half-hour or so. One has to wonder why.

They also caught some civilians (of the uninvolved sort) and held them as well, simply because the civilians were walking down the wrong street.

There's a problem in that, somewhere.

[jj]

Originally posted by Troll
looking for original post now. UCE really did say that. someone iscurrently using it in their sig quote

Figures. UCE and JK are two of a kind, an embarrassment to their own supporters.

[jj]

Originally posted by Beebop
The so-called "peace protestors" that are interferring in other American's lives with their "peaceful" demonstrations would be well served by a "peaceful" and "civilized" bullet. I have no respect for these ******** that don't understand the difference between peaceful assembly and riot. None.

And just how are you any different than Saddamn's police force?

Do tell, please.

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


No, I want to make sure the nation-state is protected. I recommend 1 year in jail for those brats.

Now, check out the latest Saddomonite slogan:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers2.gif

Those protestors are subversive and very, very dangerous to the stability of the country. They are probably all communists acting like they tolerate freedom, when in reality in the back of their minds they envision a communist Stalinist terror-state modeled after their heroes like Kruschev and Lenin.

JK

No, those protestors are idiots and morons. I wouldn't be surprised if even their supporters (and don't start mistaking me for one based on the fact I find your fascist attitude revolting) find them embarrassing.

Your desire to jail them without trial is exactly the kind of thinking Joe Stalin was so fond of. Frankly, I think they're doing a public service by creating a backlash against THAT particular sentiment.

[jj]

Originally posted by Biker Babe


That is one helluva ugly airplane, sorry but it is ugly.

Yes, and it is just *&(&*( effective. A tank's absolute worst nightmare.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jj


Err, Jedi, there isn't anyone who has a clue about me who would assert that I'm a "commie" of any sort, but I am also quite interested in voting out the present US government and having it replaced, in due course of law, with a new government that has a clue about basic civil liberties.

I am not standing in the street protesting this war, because I think Saddamn is a mcuh lower life form than 'W', something that puts Saddamn somewhere in the Halobacter sort of primitiveness.

None the less, I find your personal opinion exactly LIKE that of Saddamn Hussein, you want to punish those who disagree with you through the use of force and government authority.

You sound like you'd like to live in last month's Iraq, as one of the leaders, dude. Did you mean to sound that way?

Where have I said I advocate restricting freedom? Never. I do advocate dealing with those internal subversives that are trying to destroy our country. The protests in America have been organized by communist groups. Those groups have no interest in the health and welfare of the United States--quite the contrary--they want to see our country destroyed.

Here is what you see in the marches. Is this freedom?:

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/1_shoot_officers.jpg

That banner is pure subversion, 100%. Explain to me how that banner, a common sight at all protest marches in one form or another, is something designed to promote "freedom".

When America frees Iraq, the Iraqi people will be "free" right? Tell me what the San Francisco Saddomonites have done to free Iraqis. Not a thing, and yet they run a cultural terror campaign inside America to protest America bringing freedom to others. It is laughable and America isn't buying it. Just like that fat moron Moore who got booed last night at the Oscars, Americans are laughing at the Stalin-defined useful idiots marching in the name of peace, because Americans know that they are not marching for peace but for the protecting of terror and Marxist causes that have no basis in reality.

The marches are all about getting at President Bush--attacking the President. That is what the marches are about. If US forces weren't in Iraq, but were somewhere else saving millions of hungry and starving children who were the victim of an earthquake somewhere, the San Francisco Saddomonites would still be marching in the streets attacking Bush about it. They wouldn't see the starving children. No. All they would see is a non-communist American president that they would want to attack as the hate group that they are.

The protestors are a hate-group. No doubt about it. They are a hate-group and need to be added to the FBI's list of hate-groups.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jj


And just how are you any different than Saddamn's police force?

Do tell, please.

Hate groups are jailed and prosecuted. That is why they should be dealt with.

JK

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hate groups are jailed and prosecuted. That is why they should be dealt with.

JK

Really? The "Identity Christians" are still alive and well. There is still a Klan organization. The John Birch Society? Not sure, haven't heard about it in years. the CPUSA? Still around.

They're only arrested and prosecuted if they ACT. In some cases this is in fact a problem because of various right-wing groups who are encouraging disadvantaged people to act on their behalf.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jj


Really? The "Identity Christians" are still alive and well. There is still a Klan organization. The John Birch Society? Not sure, haven't heard about it in years. the CPUSA? Still around.

They're only arrested and prosecuted if they ACT. In some cases this is in fact a problem because of various right-wing groups who are encouraging disadvantaged people to act on their behalf.

I am not going to deny that there are a handful of right-wing groups with 10 members each out there. There are a few groups out there that have two high school kids running them that call themselves Nazis. I agree with you.

However, none of those groups in the last 80 years has marched with the numbers that these communists have marched. Just because the protestors are leftist communists organized by international communists, does not make their dangerousness to the nation-state any less than a Nazi group. On the contrary, that is why they need to be identified as a hate group and confronted for their hate.

I have never seen a right-wing hate group march, ever. Not in the entire time I have been alive. I have seen maybe 10 of them marching on TV in some remote backwoods town, but not in force like the San Francisco Saddomonite communists.

The problem is that the US public has been conditioned to view only high-school kids who call themselves Nazis as hate groups, and not the true threat of radical leftist groups like the San Francisco Saddominites. The radical right-wing could never dream of having the scope of subversive power that the leftist communists in America have. As a country we have done a great job dealing with the radical right. It is now time to drop the foot down on the radical left.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jj


Really? The "Identity Christians" are still alive and well.

I have never seen a Christian Idenitity member except the ones on television that the FBI locked up for bank robberies and other crimes. Give me a date and time when a Christian Identity movement ever had the sheer numbers and subversive capability of the Saddomonite San Francisco groups. The CI groups have never had that power.

But get two of them together and they are a "hate group".

Get 50,000 radical leftist communist subversives in San Francisco together and it is "freedom".

It is laughable. Maybe if the Christian Identity folks said they were "gay" they wouldn't be touched for their subversive activity like the San Francisco Saddomonites.

JK

Originally posted by jj


Figures. UCE and JK are two of a kind, an embarrassment to their own supporters.
They have their views and you have yours what's the problem?

[jj]

Originally posted by Biker Babe

They have their views and you have yours what's the problem?

They both say stupid things that tend to polarize the discussions and eliminate the middle.

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


It is laughable. Maybe if the Christian Identity folks said they were "gay" they wouldn't be touched for their subversive activity like the San Francisco Saddomonites.

JK

Why do I get the feeling that now I know what this is really all about? Bear in mind that there are a lot of straight, old, grumpy people who are not at all enthusiastic about this "war".

Also, since I've worked quite a bit in music and theatre, I've known quite a few gay people. I know maybe 1 or two who might be "communist". I know a lot of very sincere capitalists among that group. In fact, most of the folks I know who might fit your bill (including opposition to this war) I would have to classify as capitalists, some of them of the nearly rabid variety.

Btw, what do you think of the cops herding all the protestors into one block in Seattle last weekend? Why would they do that?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jj


Why do I get the feeling that now I know what this is really all about? Bear in mind that there are a lot of straight, old, grumpy people who are not at all enthusiastic about this "war".

Also, since I've worked quite a bit in music and theatre, I've known quite a few gay people. I know maybe 1 or two who might be "communist". I know a lot of very sincere capitalists among that group. In fact, most of the folks I know who might fit your bill (including opposition to this war) I would have to classify as capitalists, some of them of the nearly rabid variety.

Btw, what do you think of the cops herding all the protestors into one block in Seattle last weekend? Why would they do that?

The point I was making went right over your head.

If it were Christian Identity people storming across San Francisco with signs that said: "We support the troops only if they shoot their officers", how long would it be before the leftist media hopped all over that?

The NAACP, the FBI, the National Guard, Delta Force, the Secret Service and every other cop and soldier in the country would have air-assaulted into San Francisco to crack skulls.

But since it was a bunch of pot-smoking, hippie, homosexual groupies that did it, not only did the leftist media ignore it, they gave those idiots time on the air as an "American right to protest".

It is so laughable that nothing you say is going to change the truth about how perverse it is. Just give it up JJ. They can't be defended.

JK

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight



The NAACP, the FBI, the National Guard, Delta Force, the Secret Service and every other cop and soldier in the country would have air-assaulted into San Francisco to crack skulls.

It is so laughable that nothing you say is going to change the truth about how perverse it is. Just give it up JJ. They can't be defended.

JK

You must live on a different planet, in a different country than I do, JK. In the country I live in, being moderate gets you accused of being a commie pinko fag. Being moderately right gets you called a "liberal extremist". Being far to the right is JUST FINE unless you get caught.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by jj


You must live on a different planet, in a different country than I do, JK. In the country I live in, being moderate gets you accused of being a commie pinko fag. Being moderately right gets you called a "liberal extremist". Being far to the right is JUST FINE unless you get caught.

You have got to be dreaming. You aren't going to pull the old "he is talking bad about leftist extremists so feel sorry for me" routine, are you?

Look how laughable your understanding of this issue is. If it were right-wing Nazis in San Francisco marching, the leftist media would have demanded that tanks be sent in.

But since it was leftist extremists, they are "celebrated" for their "diversity". You know, there is a war on, but the war at home is probably going to be more dangerous than the war in Iraq eventually.

I say that because our country does a great job dealing with extremist Nazis, but the subversionist communist left gets free reign. Eventually that is going to cause serious, serious problems in this country. I think all forms of extremism need to be squashed, not just the ones that declare allegiance to national racist socialists and the Nazi flag.

There is no way you can claim to be a moderate or else you wouldn't even be arguing about it.

JK

[Wayne Grabert]

It is time for a cartoon (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/uclickcomics/cx_po_uc/latest) on this topic.

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

There is no way you can claim to be a moderate or else you wouldn't even be arguing about it.

JK
Spot on, JK! I am reasonably certain jj is a communist. The first clue is that he is from Redmond, Washington, an area teeming with coffee guzzling beatnik Trotskyites. They huddle around on mismatched furniture reciting subversive poetry, playing grudge rock and plotting the subjugation of freedom loving Americans like you and me. Their homosexual buddies in leftist Hollywood start the early indoctrination of our young 'uns with purple dinosaurs and gay teletubbies. That's a one-two assault of subliminal Darwinism and sodomy. These misanthropes are hellbent on the extinction of our species! They've decided that what babies we don't kill in the womb should be limp wristed fudge packers and butch-cut carpet lickers. Why? So that we won't be around anymore to bother the spotted owls! :mad:

Of course, this is just a theory and I could be completely wrong. :cool:

[schplurg]

Jedi Knight:
You may be happy to know that the protestors in San Francisco are getting very bad press today. I've only seen two reports actually on the local TV stations, so I don't know how extensive the bad press is. They're talking about the $$$ SF is losing every day due to increased police presence and overtime, shutting down streets, vandalism, the already terrible economy/defecit.

In fact the protesting was extremely limited today, from what I've heard and read. Sounds like nobody showed up.

I even found a few links:
SF Problems (http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5468449.htm)

Slow Protest Day (http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/5471626.htm)

``I think Yoga for Peace is great,'' said Pat Gilligan, who owns the building across the street. ``As long as there's no property damage, I don't have a problem with it. Only in San Francisco do you see peace activists doing yoga.''
Check out the photo of the "Yoga Protestors" in link #2.

[Troll]

What disturbs me is JK's claim to have served but his manner shows that he didn't serve America. At least not what it stands for and all of it's people. Sure, the military gets it's share of loons in there from time to time. I've seen a few white supremists get in, some that really despised homosexuals just because they were gay, even met a few guys in boot camp that swore all white men were the devil. But they have a right to think that and express it. They have the right to do so because many people that have served fought for and some died while preserving those rights.

To express opposition to something isn't aligning yourself with the enemy. It's exercising freedom. As a vet and one that isn't opposed to the war in Iraq, I see the protestors and am glad they can protest. Granted, I have to admit, I laugh and mock them and call them fools and idiots when they turn violent or can't answer questions about their own convictions, but then I have the right to do so. :D

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The point I was making went right over your head.

If it were Christian Identity people storming across San Francisco with signs that said: "We support the troops only if they shoot their officers", how long would it be before the leftist media hopped all over that?

The NAACP, the FBI, the National Guard, Delta Force, the Secret Service and every other cop and soldier in the country would have air-assaulted into San Francisco to crack skulls.

But since it was a bunch of pot-smoking, hippie, homosexual groupies that did it, not only did the leftist media ignore it, they gave those idiots time on the air as an "American right to protest".

It is so laughable ...
JK So, the 'FBI, the National Guard, Delta Force, the Secret Service and every other cop and soldier in the country' must all be pinko commie matriarchal totalitarian marxists - since they all ignored it, along with the leftist media?

Or are the leftist media paying the 'FBI, the National Guard, Delta Force, the Secret Service and every other cop and soldier in the country' to ignore it? Or are they just a'bunch of pot-smoking, hippie, homosexual groupies'?

Or are they only acting when the pinko newspapers tell them to? :rolleyes:

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Look how laughable your understanding of this issue is. If it were right-wing Nazis in San Francisco marching, the leftist media would have demanded that tanks be sent in.
And here YOU are, asking for the tanks. What's the difference?

I say that because our country does a great job dealing with extremist Nazis, but the subversionist communist left gets free reign.
I'm truly convinced you wouldn't know a communist if one bit you, JK. The real thing is bad news, but I think you'd have a hard time getting the people in SF to explain Lysenkoism to you.

There is no way you can claim to be a moderate or else you wouldn't even be arguing about it.

JK

In other words, I'm not a moderate because I won't toe your ultra-right-wing-extremist Saddamn-like response to public protest?

Get real.

You're just like Saddamn.

[jj]

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert

Spot on, JK! I am reasonably certain jj is a communist. Ow, man, my sarcasm meter is starting to SMOKE! The first clue is that he is from Redmond, Washington, an area teeming with coffee guzzling beatnik Trotskyites. And large stock-option packages.They huddle around on mismatched furniture reciting subversive poetry, playing grudge rock and plotting the subjugation of freedom loving Americans like you and me. While examining the value of their stock options.Their homosexual buddies in leftist Hollywood start the early indoctrination of our young 'uns with purple dinosaurs and gay teletubbies.While counting the reciepts from their last movie. That's a one-two assault of subliminal Darwinism and sodomy. These misanthropes are hellbent on the extinction of our species! Which is why we keep having kids, to inflict the world with them. They've decided that what babies we don't kill in the womb should be limp wristed fudge packers and butch-cut carpet lickers. Why? So that we won't be around anymore to bother the spotted owls! :mad:

Of course, this is just a theory and I could be completely wrong. :cool:

I tell you, you owe me a new fuse for my sarcasm meter. OW, man, that got hot.

[jj]

Originally posted by Troll
What disturbs me is JK's claim to have served but his manner shows that he didn't serve America.

He reminds me of the 1960's "Amerikkka" posters, frankly. His attitude is so similar to Saddamn's sons that, well, what more can I say?

[Hellcat]

Originally posted by jj


They both say stupid things that tend to polarize the discussions and eliminate the middle.
We all say stupid things from time to time, so what's the problem?

Do you actually bother sitting back and reading what they both say or, do you see the red white and blue JK and UCE flags and just go into react mode?

Have you ever once considered that they may indeed think the same of your views?


So where lies the problem?

[Hellcat]

Originally posted by Troll
What disturbs me is JK's claim to have served but his manner shows that he didn't serve America.

Out of idle curiosity I presume that you are you calling JK a liar then? I assume you are also including Rikzilla as well a liar for verifying JK has served in the American military, I also assume you have proof to back up this accusation?

[Troll]

Originally posted by Radiating Sunflower


Out of idle curiosity I presume that you are you calling JK a liar then? I assume you are also including Rikzilla as well a liar for verifying JK has served in the American military, I also assume you have proof to back up this accusation?

Nope. If I was gonna call him a liar my paragraph would have been way shorter. Your's should have been shorter as well given that you're presuming and assuming.

I have no proof one way or the other as to his service. I merely pointed out that if it is indeed true that he served then he failed to serve the country and what it does stand for. In short he may have been in the service but he did so more so for himself and his views rather than the country and it's freedoms.

[Hellcat]

Originally posted by Troll


Nope. If I was gonna call him a liar my paragraph would have been way shorter. Your's should have been shorter as well given that you're presuming and assuming.

I have no proof one way or the other as to his service. I merely pointed out that if it is indeed true that he served then he failed to serve the country and what it does stand for. In short he may have been in the service but he did so more so for himself and his views rather than the country and it's freedoms.


Well it certainly did not come across to me as the way you had intended but thank you for clarifying it.


On the subject for pointing out things, I think who or what Jk fought for in the service is only known by JK himself wouldn't you agree. By posting idle speculation about what you or indeed anybody else thinks Jk thinks or fought for is best left to the man himself after all he is the one who truly knows, and you like me do not.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Hellcat



Well it certainly did not come across to me as the way you had intended but thank you for clarifying it.


On the subject for pointing out things, I think who or what Jk fought for in the service is only known by JK himself wouldn't you agree. By posting idle speculation about what you or indeed anybody else thinks Jk thinks or fought for is best left to the man himself after all he is the one who truly knows, and you like me do not.

True. Only he knows what goes on in there. I was merely pointing out that many of his comments conflict with the vast majority of those that I served with. And at the same time, returning the favor to the guy for his speculations made about me. Never claimed to be morally superior to the guy;)

[jj]

Originally posted by Hellcat

We all say stupid things from time to time, so what's the problem?
Their overall record.
Do you actually bother sitting back and reading what they both say or, do you see the red white and blue JK and UCE flags and just go into react mode?
If you'd bother to read what I write, you'd know the answer. Heal thyself.
Have you ever once considered that they may indeed think the same of your views?
I think they think much more poorly of my views. Neither arch-left or arch-right people can stomach the middle at all. Both regard the middle as an annoying sellout with the potential to usurp their jingoism. Guess what.
So where lies the problem?
Pretty clear, isn't it?

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by Biker Babe
[offtopic]
What you mean Q source has her dibs on JK too
Sniff my fairy matriarchal feminnatzi communist black heart is shattered and broken.

*sob sob wail*

Right enough of the slushinees wheres my whip and leg irons somebody is going to suffer my broken heart.[on topic]

Oh, no!

Don't worry Biker Babe. I only love The Serpent (Frank).

He is absent now ( :( ), but I will be loyal to him anyway.

Q-S :)

Originally posted by Q-Source


I only love The Serpent (Frank).

Q-S :)

Don't say it's true..... :(

[Q-Source]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant

Don't say it's true.....

Unfortunately it is true :( :D

[Chris Haynes]

I found where the original picture was posted... there have been many comments posted on it. Hopefully the folks who waved the idiocy will start to understand their own hypocrisy.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/1583064_comment.php

It is BIG file full of photos... and I stopped the loading of it before it was finished, but I got all the comments.

The comments about them always wearing masks reminded me of the 60's and the KKK wearing white sheets.

Oh, by the way... they are not "commies", they are anarchists. A minor difference. Communism does denote some form of economy (with total government control), whereas the anarchist are on a totally different plane (if not reality).

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by Hydrogen Cyanide
It is BIG file full of photos... and I stopped the loading of it before it was finished, but I got all the comments.

Interesting, but I'd rather see pictures of Q-Source on the beach. :cool:

[Questioninggeller]

I just wanted to quote JK because I think this displays his thesis from this thread.

I think all forms of extremism need to be squashed, not just the ones that declare allegiance to national racist socialists and the Nazi flag.


First off, I can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread, Second, This war is BULLSHAT... If there were no Oil, terrorism, passed agression... the U.S. would not invade. Two examples, Saudi Arabia (lots of Oil, repressive Non-democratic government, no current agression to U.S. plans), or North Korea (agression, no oil, non-democratic government).

Lastly, I believe "Nazis," "Commies," "Conservatives" should all be allowed to PUBLICLY display their opinions even if they are against the government.

Either you support ALL free Speech, or NONE; you can't pick and choose-- if you do, it's not free.

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Questioninggeller

Either you support ALL free Speech, or NONE; you can't pick and choose-- if you do, it's not free.

Censorship has and always will be a challenge for societies, organizations, the Legislative, the Judicial, the local PTA.

those on the left want their views protected, yet views of the right censored

those on the right want their views protected, yet views of the left censored

then there are the moral relativists and new agers that might state : what's good for you is good for you, what's good for me is good for me

When you say "you can't pick and choose" gellar a pedantist may state that you are engaging in censorship.

Censorship :mad: :) , for many people ,will be applied in some situations and not others, so people do and can practice "pick and choose".

Randi.org's moderators have a sort of "code of conduct" they may enforce as they see fit and sometimes (reluctantly I imagine) have to take steps to censor posts, threads, or individuals.:rolleyes:

seems to me that the issue of censorship is not so black and white

cheers

;)

PPG

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe
Randi.org's moderators have a sort of "code of conduct" they may enforce as they see fit and sometimes (reluctantly I imagine) have to take steps to censor posts, threads, or individuals.:rolleyes:
PPG Publishing my speech can be and is restricted by the media - if they don't want to print my thoughts, they don't, Randi.org as the others.

But my right to free speech is not a right to be printed or published - it is, in the end, literally free speech. Here in the US I have a right to say what I'm for and against (the only exception as far as I know is that you are restricted in encouraging other people to do something illegal).

I cannot see how one can pick and choose - the freedom of speech is made for the morons and the idiots and the crazy people who disagree, not for the mainstreams. They don't need it anyhow. :p

those on the left want their views protected, yet views of the right censored

those on the right want their views protected, yet views of the left censoredIn general, I think this is not true.

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by Questioninggeller
First off, I can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread
:confused: When has it ever been a waste of time to read one of JK's threads? It sure beats watching some lame sitcom. How could they top JK saying that he believes all forms of extremism need to be squashed? :D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert

:confused: When has it ever been a waste of time to read one of JK's threads? It sure beats watching some lame sitcom. How could they top JK saying that he believes all forms of extremism need to be squashed? :D

hehe

JK

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Publishing my speech can be and is restricted by the media - if they don't want to print my thoughts, they don't, Randi.org as the others.

You have the right to publish.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert

You have the right to publish. Yes, of course. But I don't have the right to be published by someone else.

This could, sometimes unfortunately, give those with a lot of money more 'real' freedom of speech than those with none. Not everybody can start a newspaper or a TV-station.

However, the freedom to choose how one uses one's money is also one I believe in. :p

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Publishing my speech can be and is restricted by the media - if they don't want to print my thoughts, they don't, Randi.org as the others.

But my right to free speech is not a right to be printed or published - it is, in the end, literally free speech. Here in the US I have a right to say what I'm for and against (the only exception as far as I know is that you are restricted in encouraging other people to do something illegal).

I cannot see how one can pick and choose - the freedom of speech is made for the morons and the idiots and the crazy people who disagree, not for the mainstreams. They don't need it anyhow. :p

In general, I think this is not true.

I live in a country other than the US (Canada) so I may not be up to speed on the Constitution. In Canada we have a Charter of Rights Freedoms.

http://lois.justice.gc.ca/fr/charte/const_en.html

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.

I did not realize that speach,media, and or publishing were not considered as related and protected similiarly in the United States.

from your bill of Rights:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/constitution/transcript.html


I may be reading it wrong, but the 1st amendment in your constitution appears to protect all forms of expression, as does Canada's Charter o R&F

PPG

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe


I live in a country other than the US (Canada) so I may not be up to speed on the Constitution. In Canada we have a Charter of Rights Freedoms.


PPG, please clarify something for me. Am I mistaken, or doesn't Canada have some form of movie censorship? If so, how does that not conflict with the Charter?

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe
I did not realize that speach,media, and or publishing were not considered as related and protected similiarly in the United States.

from your bill of Rights:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/constitution/transcript.html


I may be reading it wrong, but the 1st amendment in your constitution appears to protect all forms of expression, as does Canada's Charter o R&F

PPG Well - it protects all forms of expression, of course, but it doesn't force any media owner to print my opinion of anything. He has a freedom to print whatever he wants and throw away the rest. Just like on this forum.

But I can print it and distribute my thoughts myself, if I have the money. :)

Originally posted by Q-Source


Oh, no!

Don't worry Biker Babe. I only love The Serpent (Frank).

He is absent now ( :( ), but I will be loyal to him anyway.

Q-S :)

Cool hands off, I herby claim Jedi Knight or JK as mine and so with this here white hot branding iron claim him property of the matriarchal feminatzi winged babe on a bike(me). Now if somebody could point me to his tent I will go and brand him and drag him back to my bed where he can polish my boots, ;) I dont want to accidently brand anybody else *blush sorry vicar*:D

Oh I lub franko too but only after you;)

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


hehe

JK

:D autograph?

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert

Interesting, but I'd rather see pictures of Q-Source on the beach. :cool:
Ahh but does Q source want to see picutres of you on a beach?:D

MMMmm jk on a beach pics, OMG no don't go there;)

Originally posted by Biker Babe


MMMmm jk on a beach pics, OMG no don't go there;)


Think Normandy.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Biker Babe
Good girls go to heaven, bad girls have fun.
Good girls go to heaven, bad girls can come anywhere ... :p

Originally posted by sundog



Think Normandy.
NOooooooooo, OMG wow yikes ohhhhhhhh,*faint*

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Wayne Grabert

PPG, please clarify something for me. Am I mistaken, or doesn't Canada have some form of movie censorship? If so, how does that not conflict with the Charter?

Caution:

this post may offend you.... choose now to skip it if you want to avoid the graphic details contained within

Yep, and as long as a movie has all of the following it will be given the go ahead to be played:

necrophelia

Jesus having sex with prostitutes

sex, casual sex, kinky sex, sex in a moving car while wearing (gasp) NO seatbelts, and more sex

drug addiction (none of that week stuff though)

the following words: fxck, shxt, cxck-sucker, twxt, and any other
words banned by the American Supreme court : Supreme Court Decision of FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION v. PACIFICA FOUNDATION, 438 U.S. 726, 98 S.Ct. 3026 (1978).

extreme close ups of anything that penetrates any human oriface or ruptures human tissue.

and that is just what is allowed on public television after prime time (as long as it has 69% Canadian cxnt and cxck)

I dare not go into what they allow go through for the picture house in case I get censored, or kicked off of here. Its just too graphic and shocking for conservative America


these censorship guidelines are purposely developed for the express purpose of getting Conservative American Male Evangelicals (a.k.a.: C.A.M.E) and the Christian Unitarian Mothers( a.k.a.: C.U.M.) hopping mad.

If you are offended, I am sorry. You should not have read that, but you were fore warned. NOTE: You should consider never ever watching Canadian public television after prime time.

PPG

Originally posted by Bjorn
Good girls go to heaven, bad girls can come anywhere ... :p

Naturally why have limitations:p;)

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by sundog

Think Normandy.
:D Perfect response!

[Wayne Grabert]

Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe

Yep, and as long as a movie has all of the following it will be given the go ahead to be played:

PPG
Sounds like a kick a** country. Too bad it isn't tropical.