1 in Christ's Challenge Accepted

[Operaider]

Origanally posted by 1 in Christ
As I was in deep prayer today, the Lord told me that on October 29th, 2004, Osama Bin Laden will be captured.

I had asked the Lord to give me a glimpse of what is to come. He told me Octor 29th, 2004, Osama Bin Laden will be captured.

I am NOT a psychic, I am NOT a medium, I am NOT a witch, I am NOT a spiritualist.

I am just sharing this prophecy I recieved from the Lord with you all.

I know you are skeptical of this prophecy being true but wait to judge it on October 30th of 2004link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45051&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)

I started this new thread to discuss 1 in Christ's challenge.

He stated thatOriginally posted by 1 in Christ
A while ago I made a prophecy on these forums that October 29th, 2004 Osama Bin Laden will be captured. God revealed this prophecy unto me.

When this prophecy comes true, I want James Randi to keep his word and give the million dollars away. Not to me, but to a homeless person. Make a homeless person who has nothing have everything by giving them a million dollars.

On October 29th, 2004 the proof of God will be given to you.link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47316)

Now it is clear that he will not win the Million dollars nor will it be given to a homeless person. Regardless of wether the prediction comes true or not, because he has not applied for the challenge. This was explained to him, to which he replied Originally posted by 1 in Christ
No need to apply. You have all witnessed that I made the prediction long before hand so it's still valid.link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47316)

Clearly this is not in keeping with the rules of the Jref.

Shortly after posting his prediction he also postedOriginally posted by 1 in Christ
Skep, if the prophecy is not fulfilled (which I know it will be) then I will assume that I was crazy. Because I heard the Lord's voice. If this prophecy is not fulfilled, then it means I'm hearing things. It doesn't mean God does not exist though! NOT at all! It's MY fault, not God's if the prophecy is not fulfilled. However, it will be so I am not even going to entertain this hypothetical situation anymore. I know it will be because His previous prophecies (that he revealed unto me) have come true.
link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45051&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)
Later he posted this challengeOriginally posted by 1 in Christ
Will you donate 10,000 dollars when Osama Bin Laden is captured on October 29th, 2004? That would be a miracle.
link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47309&perpage=40&pagenumber=1)

I have accepted his challenge, and await a response

[Question]

1inChrist is not receiving messages from a "man in the sky." 1inChrist is receiving messages from a higher order brain factor. Everyone must read http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com/

[Operaider]

I think he'd beg to differ.

But it doesn't have any whether the prediction comes true or not.
I personally don't care what the source of the prediction is.
He could be getting his info from Bilbo the flying bum for all I care

I besides, I already have guess as to the cause of the predictions and a way to cure (http://www.rosehillcenter.com/) him of it

[El Greco]

You haven't thought of the possibility that 1inC is actually OBL himself and will turn himself in on the 29th of October.

[Question]

Originally posted by Operaider
I think he'd beg to differ.

But it doesn't have any whether the prediction comes true or not.
I personally don't care what the source of the prediction is.
He could be getting his info from Bilbo the flying bum for all I care

I besides, I already have guess as to the cause of the predictions and a way to cure (http://www.rosehillcenter.com/) him of it

You wouldn't try to tell Hammond anything about insanity. In Hammond's own words:



[Hammond]
Yes... I know all about these "subjective experimental mind games"
when you explore the possibility that "God is sending you a message"
etc. Look, let me tell you something.. these explorations of yours
are explorations into the functioning of the mind... any rational person
who discovers these effects WILL be curious enough to investigate
them... some, more desperate people, will really go very deep into them
attempting to find something. Be careful... this is the first step
into exploring and playing with INSANITY. Insanity is a real physical
phenomena, it is fascination.. it is ultimately unexplained because
life, god and human destiny is itself unexplained and only partial
understood.
Leave the in depth investigation of this, the "guinea pig" exploration
to someone who has nothing else to do, someone who is qualified, someone
who has nothing to lose, someone who can afford to risk or waste his
life doing it. Someone like me. It's NOT YOUR JOB.
I've been insane. I never experienced such a thing until i was past
40. You can imagine how normal and well focussed you have to be to take
two degrees in Physics, pass a qualifying exam for a PhD etc. You
have to have your head screwed on straight, and believe me I did..
never even KNEW anyone who was mentally ill.
At age 40, due to the failure to get married, find a job etc. etc.
I began doing what you're doing.. mainly because i got convinced that
my failure was due to "psychological abuse" of me by society when I
was young which made me unfit (socially) to pursue a career in Physics.
I grew up believing that the entire English language consisted of 4-letter
words.. and then discovered that everyone in Physics came from upper
middle class families... I didn't fit in. I couldn't play Bridge. No
one from that class of people would marry me for one thing.
Having nothing to lose, and nothing to do, i decided to apply my
Physics expertise to the "psychological problem"... I began doing what
you're doing. hearing voices.. seeing messages... seeing faces. Pretty
soon everyone on television was "talking only to me". Pretty soon i
began playing with real people "psychologically"... people said i was
"acting strange". Pretty soon i got picked up by the police.. thrown in
a mental hospital for observation... the police even took my firearms
permit away.. and threatened to suspend my drivers license. i tried to
escape from the mental hospital and they caught me and held me down and
shot me up with tranquillizers. It went on for years... me studying
Psychology, physics, Biology, theology, people, mental cases, street
people... constantly being thrown back in the mental hospitals... my
family was aghast. By this time I was on welfare, all due to a
physicists curiosity about the theory of mental illness. I decided
to let the welfare department fund my scientific research since there
was little hope of getting a research grant.
By 1994 I had actually discovered the cause of the Structural Model
in Psychology and pulled myself together enough to get it accepted
for publication in a peer reviewed journal; New Ideas In Psychology,
Pergamon Press (Hammond 1994). Getting deeper and deeper into the
Factor Analytic end of it, which turns out to be the core of modern
Psychology research... I finally discovered the scientific proof of God
in 1997.
Along the way of course, I have first hand plumbed the entire depth
of mental illness first hand... drugs (Haldol, Prolixen, Thorazine,
been in 4-point restraints, padded cells, seen dozens of psychiatrists
etc. etc. All i ever told them was the truth... that i was a physicist
investigating mental illness and that I had discovered the Structural
Model and the Scientific proof of God... and every time they would say,
.. yes, yes Mr. Hammond, we think you need some rest and some more
drugs.. and we are going to put you in a halfway house.
Now, this is NOT A JOB FOR SOMEONE LIKE YOU. So let me tell you what
I have found out about human mental abberational phenomena first hand.
First.. the ultimate working of the human mind is NOT KNOWN. There is
no adequate explanation of the phenomena of nocturnal dreams for
instance. There actually IS some significant probability that the
mystery of them stems from the fact that THERE IS such a thing as a
literal (dreamlike) AFTERLIFE (Life After Death) so called. Now, as
you know... if there IS such a thing, it simply means that we are as
far away from understanding the phenomena of the human mind as
Columbus was fro knowing the shape of the Earth. IT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE
THAT THIS IS THE CASE, and we (scientifically at least) have no idea
that this is so. Of course, it goes without saying, that it MAY NOT be
so also.
Secondly, the phenomena and record of bizarre mental phenomena,
knows almost no limit. Hallucinations, visions, sleepwalking, apparent
mental telepathy, internal voices etc. etc. are phenomena which
CANNOT be "overviewed" by any normal mind or rational intellect walking
the face of the Earth today. I have been there, and can tell you that
there is a LIMIT to their explanation. Now the DANGER of this kind of
mental exploration is notorious. People of high intelligence of course
have more protection than people of low intelligence... just as in
physical matters, men of great strength have more protection than
weak people... same thing.. which is why only strong people are taken
into the army. And there again.. family men get the first deferments.
I am not a family man. People of higher intelligence are the first
ones to survive a trip into insanity... the mental hospitals are full
of low intelligence people who will never find their way back. of
course.. just like the battlefield, we've got to win the war and go
back and get them.
So, what I'm telling yo is... don't play around with the type of
experiments you've mentioned. other better qualified (and more
expendable) people are already working the problem full time. I
can assure you.. in 15years of nonstop insanity and mental research
involving every kind of bizarre and nightmarish mental phenomena there
is.. I have failed absolutely.. to EVER.. detect any kind of evidence
for supernatural contact or divine intervention. Every phenomena
turns out to have a rational explanation within our current understanding
of reality.. or it may be extrapolated to provide all assurance that it
CAN be rationally explained. You will NEVER get a spoken "message
from God".. let me assure you, from the guy who is the "world's only
true believer in God".
Your job as a young healthy person is to investigate Hammond's theory, or
support the idea of other scientific people investigating it. in
other words.. you're not supposed to be the guinea pig in this
investigation... you're supposed to be an assessment staffer, who's
job it is to take these reports, results, and now published theories
(proving the existence of God now, mind you) and help get them
subjected to scientific review. that is the shortest road to
answering the questions that are on your mind.
Regards, George Hammond
--
BE SURE TO VISIT MY WEBSITE, BELOW:
-----------------------------------------------------------
George Hammond, M.S. Physics
Email: ghammond@mediaone.net
Website: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html
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[Operaider]

I don't think I need to tell Hammond about insanity
he seems to be dealing with it on first hand basis

P.S. your web site doesn't seem to work

[Kevin_Lowe]

Operaider, people have been speculating that the US government might conveniently reveal that they have bagged Bin Laden just before the election for years.

There's no evidence it will happen, of course, but it's about as plausible as the idea that Reagan would bribe terrorists to keep their American hostages captive longer.

In other words, it's not something I'd make a $10000-to-nothing bet against.

[Question]

Originally posted by Operaider
I don't think I need to tell Hammond about insanity
he seems to be dealing with it on first hand basis

P.S. your web site doesn't seem to work

That was Hammond's old website. His new one is at:

http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com/

[Zep]

Originally posted by Question
That was Hammond's old website. His new one is at:

http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com/ He should get together with Gene (www.timecube.com). It would be a blast.

[Question]

Originally posted by Zep
He should get together with Gene (www.timecube.com). It would be a blast.

[Hammond]'s comments on Gene Ray and Time Cube:


Adam Marczyk wrote:
>
> Hey, George, you're not related to this guy, are you? The similarities are
> eerie.
>
> http://www.timecube.com/

[Hammond]
Hey Adam... the "quadrature" in the Structural Model of Psychology
has been known for 2,500 years ever since Hippocrates the Father
of Medicine first said there was such a thing.
For 2,000 years right down through the Renaissance all they
talked about were the "Four Humors". Turns out the theory is
correct and in the meantime a bazillion people have spent their
time making up square, cubic, quadrate, and even "time cube"
models... none of them scientifically meaningful... but all of them
having some minuscule basis in reality... just like the guy at
the URL you've cited.
But TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION. turns out modern Psychometry
has discovered all 13-Factors (eigenvectors) that correspond to
the 13-common symmetry axes of a cube. This comes from the fact
that the human brain is actually cubic! (Hammond 1994)
Amazingly, Factor Analysis has also discovered that the cube
is "curved" just like real space is (because of it in fact),
and this causes a single higher order factor, just like gravity,
which turns out to be GOD.
So, while the guy you've cited above may think he's propounded
something "amazing".... it turns out that scientific fact has
got him beat all to hell when it comes to something "amazing"..
... in fact, a scientific proof of God is just about the most
amazing thing in the world..! Hahahha ahhh hahahah....



opium RNA doll wrote:
>
> George Hammond <ghammond@attbi.com> mentioned:
> > [Hammond]
> > good boy.. now see if you can give us the real answer to the Riddle of
> > the Sphinx.
> > BTW, the suckiest answer yet is that "a horse has four feet
> > so that it can go fourward".
>
> I bet you'd get along great with this guy:
>
> http://www.timecube.com/
>
> he believes everything comes in fours becomes everything is determined
> by the geometry of the timecube. 4 races, 4 seasons, 4 times of day,
> etc. etc.

[Hammond]
So does the "Enniagram guy"
So does "Astrology"
So does the "I Ching"
So does the book of Revelation
So does Euclidean geometry
So do houses
So does a Compass
So do street maps
So do the "Cubists"
So do salt crystals

.... point is *******, it ALL comes from
the Riemannian (quadratic) metric of space,
which is the foundation of the scientific proof
of God. Go bother amateurs like Barney Timecube,
stop bothering experts.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by El Greco
You haven't thought of the possibility that 1inC is actually OBL himself and will turn himself in on the 29th of October.

Great. Just what we need. A terrorist trolling our forums.

[Zamzara]

I'd be concerened that this prediction isn't a variation on this old scam:

http://www.profit.co.za/dynamic_page.asp?id=16

1inch could be going around lots of forums posting different dates.

[c4ts]

Well with this forum he only gets one date and if he changes it, it doesn't count.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by c4ts
Well with this forum he only gets one date and if he changes it, it doesn't count.

I can't see anyone on this forum willing to date 1inC, even once.

[c4ts]

His god will date him.

[crimresearch]

So 1inC received a direct message from God, *and* he has a chance to give a million dollars to help the homeless, but he never bothered to fill out the proper application for the JREF million?

Oh, he of little faith...

[c4ts]

By the time Randi got the application, it would be too late anyway. The 29th is this Friday.

[crimresearch]

Nope, he could have easily filled it out on line.

I predict that on the 30th of Oct., that 1inC will reveal himself to be Lucianarchy's sock puppet, by using the same lame and fraudulent claims to deny failure.

[c4ts]

I wonder what excuse he's going to use if the prophecy doesn't come true. Maybe "God gave me the right date but not the right year/month/date," or "it wasn't God, it was his fallible messenger so-and-so!"

[Ipecac]

If Randi accepted this lame "challenge" as a valid indicator of the paranormal, he'd lose the million as soon as OBL was captured. People could just pick a day and have a better chance of winning than winning the lottery.

I pick Nov. 12th, 2004.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Nov 20th. OBL will be captured by my crack team of ninjas to present to me as a birthday present.

[Operaider]

Originally posted by Kevin_Lowe
Operaider, people have been speculating that the US government might conveniently reveal that they have bagged Bin Laden just before the election for years.

There's no evidence it will happen, of course, but it's about as plausible as the idea that Reagan would bribe terrorists to keep their American hostages captive longer.

In other words, it's not something I'd make a $10000-to-nothing bet against. I considered this. I don't think the Republicans can do anything like that now. Everyone is speculating about it, and if they did it this close to the elections it would seem suspicious. Plus I doubt 1 in C works in a office of government that is privy to such information.

Assuming they don't do that, that simply leaves 1 in C with a 24 hour window in which they will have to catch Bin Laden.

Once again, I have yet to hear back from 1 in C

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Operaider
Plus I doubt 1 in C works in a office of government that is privy to such information.

I'm not so sure 1inC isn't actually John Ashcroft. They have the same regard for rules of evidence, and seem to be about the same place on the religion spectrum. The only point that makes me doubt is that I can't see Ashcroft using the Internet. It's contaminated with all that sinful pornography, you know.

[Stitch]

Originally posted by Ipecac
If Randi accepted this lame "challenge" as a valid indicator of the paranormal, he'd lose the million as soon as OBL was captured. People could just pick a day and have a better chance of winning than winning the lottery.

I pick Nov. 12th, 2004.

noted (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870652492#post1870652492)

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
I'm not so sure 1inC isn't actually John Ashcroft. They have the same regard for rules of evidence, and seem to be about the same place on the religion spectrum. The only point that makes me doubt is that I can't see Ashcroft using the Internet. It's contaminated with all that sinful pornography, you know.
We haven't been arrested as enemies of the state yet. He's not Ashcroft.

[Stitch]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Nov 20th. OBL will be captured by my crack team of ninjas to present to me as a birthday present.

I have assumed (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870652492#post1870652492) this year!

[phildonnia]

Anyone remember "Paul Bethke"? He agreed to never post again if his prediction should fail. Fail it did, and we never heard from him again.

Maybe Mr. InChrist could accept a similar arrangement?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Stitch
I have assumed (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870652492#post1870652492) this year!
That'll work, but you can never tell with ninjas.

[Atlas]

I would like to make a prediction.

1inC has not stipulated that the world at large will be told that Osama has been captured - only that the Lord told him Osama would be captured.

My prediction is that 1inC will claim that although we have no proof that Osama was captured, He was! Trust and have faith. Why would God lie?

Furthermore, I predict if Osama if at some future date Osama is actually captured, 1inC will say that his original captors must've let him go and that this time he was actually re-captured. Just because we don't know the true story is no reason to doubt it.

[Operaider]

I suppose that's possible,
By which I mean it's possible he'll claim that, not that it's possible they'll actually withhold the information of his capture.

But it would beg the question of why they would want his capture kept a secret. I have a feeling the knowledge of his capture could only bring good things to this administration. Plus, it's clear they didn't with hold the knowledge of Saddam Hussein's capture.

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Operaider
I suppose that's possible,
By which I mean it's possible he'll claim that, not that it's possible they'll actually withhold the information of his capture.

But it would beg the question of why they would want his capture kept a secret. I have a feeling the knowledge of his capture could only bring good things to this administration. Plus, it's clear they didn't with hold the knowledge of Saddam Hussein's capture. Operaider, I agree it wouldn't make sense to keep it all a secret. But God works in mysterious ways.

Reading James Randi leaves one with the impression that weasels always leave themselves an escape hole. 1inC does seem to make a prediction but does never implies that reports will be forthcoming. To me this seems to be the logical escape plan, especially if he is really a troll which I've previously stated is my belief.

If he is a troll (which he denies) I can safely amend my prediction by adding that 1inC will not respond to this post in any way that refutes my belief that he will try to weasel out of his prediction. For instance, he will NOT say (as an honorable man would)... I have claimed certain knowledge of this future event from a direct message from the Lord. If we do not receive evidence of his capture by October 31th that Osama was captured I will have been shown to be an easily deceived dupe and that all of my cherished beliefs about God might be wrong. I will leave the forum forever acknowledging you were right and I was wrong.

I will PM him about these "predictions" so we can judge whether I have any predictive talent at all. Will he respond? Will he confirm that his prediction will be shown false if no one confirms the capture? Doubtful.

[Operaider]

Reading James Randi leaves one with the impression that weasels always leave themselves an escape holeFrom everything I've seen this tends to be true. This is why I've been hoping for a response from 1 in C, so we can clarify the rules.

But in his defense. From what I can tell he hasn't posted anything on the Jref message board since I accepted the challenge. So it's entirely possible that has yet to log onto his computer and see it. Though the second he enters the Jref site, he should be notified of the private message I send him

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Operaider
link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45051&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)

I started this new thread to discuss 1 in Christ's challenge.

He stated thatlink (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47316)

Now it is clear that he will not win the Million dollars nor will it be given to a homeless person. Regardless of wether the prediction comes true or not, because he has not applied for the challenge. This was explained to him, to which he replied link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47316)

Clearly this is not in keeping with the rules of the Jref.

Shortly after posting his prediction he also posted
link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45051&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)
Later he posted this challenge
link (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47309&perpage=40&pagenumber=1)

I have accepted his challenge, and await a response

WONDERFUL! After the prophecy is fulfilled many lives will change forever! Unbelievers will become believers and one lucky charity will recieve a gift from Him.

[Jontg]

Just remember--he has to be caught on the 29th. Not just revealed to the public, but verifiably taken into custody. If Bush tries to pull an October Suprise and announces that we've had bin Laden for some time now, it does not count.

[Paul]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
one lucky charity will recieve a gift from Him. Hey Operaider, looks like you've been promoted to god. :cool:

[Atlas]

Well, I sent a PM to 1inC asking for clarification and referencing the posts that I've made in this thread today in the last couple hours. I forwarded a copy to Operaider with a comment based on one of 1inC's posts on this subject.Originally posted by 1inChrist
A while ago I made a prophecy on these forums that October 29th, 2004 Osama Bin Laden will be captured. God revealed this prophecy unto me.

When this prophecy comes true, I want James Randi to keep his word and give the million dollars away. Not to me, but to a homeless person. Make a homeless person who has nothing have everything by giving them a million dollars.

On October 29th, 2004 the proof of God will be given to you. Technically, his last line offers us "proof of God" not "proof of Osama's capture" -- It's kinda weasely to me. I hope he clarifies it.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Atlas
I would like to make a prediction.

1inC has not stipulated that the world at large will be told that Osama has been captured - only that the Lord told him Osama would be captured.

My prediction is that 1inC will claim that although we have no proof that Osama was captured, He was! Trust and have faith. Why would God lie?

Furthermore, I predict if Osama if at some future date Osama is actually captured, 1inC will say that his original captors must've let him go and that this time he was actually re-captured. Just because we don't know the true story is no reason to doubt it.

Osama Bin Laden will be captured on October 29th, 2004. Period. When will we know of his capture? I would assume the day he's captured but who knows. It's possible that he will be captured and hidden for some reason but if there is no news of his capture on October 29th, 2004 you can dismiss my prophecy as false. However, if say a few months later we find out he WAS captured on October 29th, 2004 but was hidden away, you then would know my prophecy was true.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Where will it be 29 October? Where he is captured? In DC? Anywhere in the US? Anywhere in the world?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Where will it be 29 October? Where he is captured? In DC? Anywhere in the US? Anywhere in the world?

All I know is what God told me: Osama Bin Laden will be captured on October 29th, 2004.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
All I know is what God told me: Osama Bin Laden will be captured on October 29th, 2004.

Ah. I'm glad you're here, 1inC. Are you ever going to answer my question about the Bible like you said you would, or will you admit you lied? A promise unfulfilled will get me to nagging...

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Where will it be 29 October? Where he is captured? In DC? Anywhere in the US? Anywhere in the world?

I asked that in this (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870653045#post1870653045) thread. He didn't answer.

[crimresearch]

So why are you afraid to have faith in your God? I'm sure that many would believe in him, if you just had enough faith to fill out the JREF application in advance.

Anyone can make empty claims of faith, but few have what it takes to test their faith...you chief among the faithless it seems.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I asked that in this (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870653045#post1870653045) thread. He didn't answer.

He likes to dodge questions. A habit that might condemn him to a chickeny torment in Chicken Hell one day.

[Lisa Simpson]

Chicken Hell? Isn't that KFC?

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Chicken Hell? Isn't that KFC?

Much, much worse. Chicken Hell is the worst of all the hells, even worse than Pee-Pee Hell or The Hell Where Everyone Is Cheerful And the Air Smells Like Spearmint Gum But There's Nothing To Do And You Have a Headache All The Time.

[Atlas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Osama Bin Laden will be captured on October 29th, 2004. Period. When will we know of his capture? I would assume the day he's captured but who knows. It's possible that he will be captured and hidden for some reason but if there is no news of his capture on October 29th, 2004 you can dismiss my prophecy as false. However, if say a few months later we find out he WAS captured on October 29th, 2004 but was hidden away, you then would know my prophecy was true. 1inC, I have already dismissed it is false but I will change my opinion if it is shown to be obviously true. But you and I think differently on the subject.

Tell us, how YOU will judge whether it is false.

This is something you believe was told to you. Is there any way for YOU to consider that you were wrong - mistaken about the message or about your God?

Tell us how a Christian can tell whether God gave him a prophecy or whether he is a dupe of the devil spreading false prophecies. The Bible has some quotes I think.

Thanks

[Operaider]

1 in C,
I've been hoping you would post so we can get some of the rules straight. First off, I am more than willing to give the $10,000 dollars to a homeless person. Although I think giving it to a charity such as a soup kitchen would be a better idea. If Osama is caught on the 29th, I'll consider the money well spent. The only problem I have with this challenge is that I am taking all of the risk. On that note I'd like to direct you to one of your previous postsOriginally posted by 1 in Christ
Skep, if the prophecy is not fulfilled (which I know it will be) then I will assume that I was crazy. Because I heard the Lord's voice. If this prophecy is not fulfilled, then it means I'm hearing things. It doesn't mean God does not exist though! NOT at all! It's MY fault, not God's if the prophecy is not fulfilled. However, it will be so I am not even going to entertain this hypothetical situation anymore. I know it will be because His previous prophecies (that he revealed unto me) have come true.What I would like is, if the prediction does not come true, for you to post a letter of apology to all of the skeptics who doubted you. In the letter I would like you to acknowledge the fact that you are (as you already stated you would assume) crazy.

I feel this is a fair deal, as I clearly have more to lose. Plus, you have already stated that you prediction will not fail. So you really risk nothing in agreeing to these simple terms. I would say that if Osama isn't reported caught by Sunday the 31st we can safely assume that the prediction was a failure. So we should expect the letter by the 1st. I, on the other hand, will rush to downtown Kansas the second I hear of Osama's capture on the 29th and place $10,000 in the hand of the first homeless person I see. I'll even take a picture of it, if you like. Likewise, if Osama is reported to have been captured on the 29th weeks from now. I will also give you an apology on this site, to counteract the apology you give on the 1st.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
The Hell Where Everyone Is Cheerful And the Air Smells Like Spearmint Gum But There's Nothing To Do And You Have a Headache All The Time.

I hate that one. What is so bad about Chicken Hell?

ETA: Is it related to cowardice, or are there actual barnyard fowl involved?

FETA: 'Cause if it's the fowl one, I'd think Chicken Nugget Hell would be worse.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Much, much worse. Chicken Hell is the worst of all the hells, even worse than Pee-Pee Hell or The Hell Where Everyone Is Cheerful And the Air Smells Like Spearmint Gum But There's Nothing To Do And You Have a Headache All The Time.

Wait, that last place isn't Hell, it's the fundie concept of heaven!

[Robin]

Of course there is a rumour going round that Pakistan has OBL stashed somewhere and will produce him just before the US election.

[Operaider]

If that is true, then he has already been captured and the prophecy fails

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Robin
Of course there is a rumour going round that Pakistan has OBL stashed somewhere and will produce him just before the US election.

Looks like anti-Bush sentiment to me. If the U.S. ever succeeded in capturing Bin Laden the news would not be able to wait, especially at a time so close to the election, although Bush would take criticism for doing so at the last minute. You cannot keep a victory that big from the public because somebody would find out and leak it to the press.

[Robin]

From c4ts:

Looks like anti-Bush sentiment to me. If the U.S. ever succeeded in capturing Bin Laden the news would not be able to wait, especially at a time so close to the election, although Bush would take criticism for doing so at the last minute. You cannot keep a victory that big from the public because somebody would find out and leak it to the press.

You are probably right - I didn't actually agree with the rumour but it was a similar prediction - OBL captured close to the election.

I will give full kudos to 1inChrist if OBL is captured close to his prediction, a few days either side.

[espritch]

Anyone remember "Paul Bethke"? He agreed to never post again if his prediction should fail. Fail it did, and we never heard from him again.

Maybe Mr. InChrist could accept a similar arrangement?

Actually, that is what he agreed to in my "Faith Challenge" thread. I told him I would send him $100 if his profecy came true provided he post a farewell post admitting he is a troll and leave the forum if it doesn't. He actually agreed to this.

[Atlas]

Just a few Bible quotes on proclaiming falsely that you have prophecies from the Lord.

1st John warns us to be skeptical : 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

How will we tell the true ones from the false ones?: Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously...

What will happen to to those who falsely say they have been told by God what will come to pass?: Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Die?? Eventually, Peacefully - Or mean and harshly?: Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Jer 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not... By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

I shortened 2 of those quotes a little to harden the thought a little. I think it's unethical to pressure others or show off claiming the power of God. Maybe "God" does too. It sounds like someone who claims the Lord told him what will come to pass will suffer some consequences if his claims are not true. Because if he's not really speaking for the Lord like he says he's endangering the rest of us. We are being diverted from the truth and a man is putting lies in the mouth of God. Kinda like he's doing the work of the devil and must be punished. Good luck 1inC... It would be ironic if you got the cell next to Osama in hell over this... especially if Osama still hated infidels and poked you with a firestick every day all through eternity.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by phildonnia
Anyone remember "Paul Bethke"? He agreed to never post again if his prediction should fail. Fail it did, and we never heard from him again.

Maybe Mr. InChrist could accept a similar arrangement?

That's exactly the first thing I thought of when I read this.

However, I daresay that 1inC has a far better grip on reality than Bethke.

Most do.

Oh dear, does this mean there will be another flogging of the false prophet come four days from now? That got so old with Bethke; you'd think he was into some really kinky stuff the way he just marched up, bent over every thursday and prepared himself for the thrashing that got metted out.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I asked that in this (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870653045#post1870653045) thread. He didn't answer.
I've seen several people ask that question; he's answered precisely none. I must say, though, yours was the best worded and most beautifully structured of the questions, of course. :D

[plindboe]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
All I know is what God told me: Osama Bin Laden will be captured on October 29th, 2004.

You have what is commonly known as a fantasy prone personality. You see and hear stuff that isn't real, it's all in your head.

You mentioned in another thread that you became a believer because God showed himself to you. On friday when you realize that your prediction was in fact a hallucination, will you then also realize that seeing God could have been a hallucination as well?

[Operaider]

Originally posted by plindboe
You have what is commonly known as a fantasy prone personality. You see and hear stuff that isn't real, it's all in your head.

You mentioned in another thread that you became a believer because God showed himself to you. On friday when you realize that your prediction was in fact a hallucination, will you then also realize that seeing God could have been a hallucination as well? Very good question

[thatguywhojuggles]

Osama made the news today...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/otsc.nasr/

[calibos]

I'd say Operaider nearly had a heart attack when he switched on the TV and read:

NEWSFLASH!! Osama Bin Laden has....................released a new video recording

"OMG I dont believ............oh.....phew!!"

:D :D