Contraversy over 9 year old's abortion

[Tmy]

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/083/nation/Abortion_on_girl_9_ignites_debate+.shtml (http://http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/083/nation/Abortion_on_girl_9_ignites_debate+.shtml)

MANAGUA -- A child's private ordeal has touched off divisive debate in Nicaragua, where an abortion on the 9-year-old rape victim outraged the influential Roman Catholic Church, toppled a Cabinet minister, and brought demands for liberalization of pregnancy laws


This story bugs me on so many levels. I dont see how people would want to force this pregnancy on a 9 year old.

[Denise]

I can't get the link to work. A nine year old? My daughter is nine. OMG!:eek:

[Victor Danilchenko]

The correct link is this (http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/083/nation/Abortion_on_girl_9_ignites_debate+.shtml).

[Victor Danilchenko]

The issue is insane. I find it barbaric that there's even controversy over laws such as this -- they should be unquestionably gone.

[ssibal]

Thats the "power of god" for you....

[renata]

A more detailed story in LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-abortion23mar23,1,2008917.story

The nation's family affairs minister called for Rosa to be taken away from her parents. The country's highest-ranking public health official declared that abortion is a crime. The Catholic Church noted that excommunication was automatic for anyone involved in the abortion -- including Rosa and her family.

"This has opened the door to a slaughterhouse," said Msgr. Jorge Solorzano, the country's second-highest-ranking Catholic official.
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Rosa was 8 when she was raped in November.
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Although abortion to protect a mother's health is legal in Costa Rica, social workers persuaded the family that Rosa should carry the child to term, said Violeta Delgado, executive secretary of the Network of Women Against Violence, the Nicaraguan group that helped Rosa obtain the abortion.

"The Costa Rican doctors ... said get fruit, vitamins and baby clothes," Delgado said. "They didn't give [the parents] information about the risks to their daughter. Nobody told them her bone structure wasn't developed, that her uterus was not the right size, that she could have a spontaneous abortion and die. They treated her like any pregnant woman."


I want to do unspeakable things to these people.

[Q-Source]

This case is similar to another that happened in Mexico.

A girl was raped and she got pregnant.

She and the mother got the permission for the abortion:

Paulina’s mother went to the State Prosecutor’s Special Agency for Sex Crimes to request an abortion for her daughter. An agent for the state prosecutor authorized the abortion and ordered the director of the Health Sector and the director of Mexicali General Hospital to perform the abortion. here (http://www.crlp.org/pr_02_0306paulina.html)

But the Hospital refused to make the abortion for "ethical and moral" reasons. At the end, the long time that it took to clear the controversy between Paulina and the Hospital made it impossible to carry out the abortion...

Society and the Church can whine all they want as long as they stay away from women's legal rights to have an abortion. But in Paulina's case, it did not happen and that is really dangerous.

Q-S

[Peach Jr.]

Originally posted by renata
A more detailed story in LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-abortion23mar23,1,2008917.story



I want to do unspeakable things to these people.

I'm with you:mad:

The church officials will be falling all over themselves talking about "god's will" when she dies - as she easily could if she is forced to carry an infant to term.

Just another reason to turn one's back on the RCC.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally posted by Peach Jr.


I'm with you:mad:

The church officials will be falling all over themselves talking about "god's will" when she dies - as she easily could if she is forced to carry an infant to term.

Just another reason to turn one's back on the RCC.

Ditto, Peach. I both converted to skepticism and abandoned the RC faith the same day that the Wizard gave me a brain ;)

Still, I fail to understand the logic behind the 'anti-abortion' movement; especially when the 'right to life' and its sanctity is so strongly advocated by these groups. Apparently, they have no problem with bombing abortion clinics or committing murder. I wonder if they believe that this 8 year old's rape was god's will, too???

[Tmy]

Somthing is strangely missing from this abortion thread.... I know, Jedi's anti-abortion ramblings. Come on JK , lets here about the Nicaragua feminazi movement!

[Alaric]

Give it time. Like the rain, JK will cast his foul shadow over all things.


Now that my poetic side is finished....its things like this that make me rage. This sort of stupidity comes from people unable to adjust to things that dont fit within the rules. I highly doubt their Catholic ancestors sat around the table and asked "So what happens when a 9 year old gets molested?"
Thats why i never understand things like this. Its obvious the law wasnt INTENDED to cover this matter-so dont consider it so. The Catholics(in this area) would earn a lot of points in world opinion if they just thought about it in that way.

[kourama]

<RANT>

F*CK the church, F*CK the scumf*cks who take money from the poorest people on earth and build the worlds largest mega-coporation running tax free in all countries, who still find time to F*CK with people's lives.

</RANT>

...ah, I feel better getting that outta my system.

I find it hard to believe a 9 year old can get pregnant.

[†= Crap!]

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[Ove]

I find it hard to believe a 9 year old can get pregnant.

Me too but unfortunately there HAS been previous cases. It seems that girls are getting "mature" earlier and earlier theese days.

The one i really would like to "talk to" is the "lucky father". Sex with a 8 year old?? pfuiijj:mad:

As for the Catolic's it only goes to proove once again: The church is the biggest idiots in this world.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Tmy]

Ive often hear of girls deveolping early in many ofthese 3rd world contries.

[Denise]

Originally posted by LukeT
I find it hard to believe a 9 year old can get pregnant.

At my daughter's school conference the teacher told me that some of the girls are already menstruating. We got on this converstaion because I had to sign the paper saying it's ok for her to take sex ed. She is in fourth grade.

[kourama]

I heard stories in the 80's about parents giving their quasi-pubescent daughters fertility drugs.

But, of course, this was the "Satanic Ritual" craze in the 80's, and I doubt you could believe anything that involved Satan and rituals.

AH, Antone LeVey, we hardly knew ye...

Here's an interesting question: any of the men around here discover orgasm before ejaculation? I remember being REALLY into whatever it was I was doing, and then suddenly losing all interest and falling asleep. Man, it was so much more fun without all the messy cleanup...*SIGH* :(

[Smalso]

Originally posted by Denise


At my daughter's school conference the teacher told me that some of the girls are already menstruating. We got on this converstaion because I had to sign the paper saying it's ok for her to take sex ed. She is in fourth grade.

I'm very surprised. I didn't think it was that young. The times, they are a'changing.

[DanishDynamite]

Originally posted by Smalso
I'm very surprised. I didn't think it was that young. The times, they are a'changing. Apparently, the average age of first menstruation has been dropping since the 19th century.

From this site: (http://www.teenweb.org/teens.php3?p_id=68&section=29)
The average age of first menstruation in Western countries has gone from 17 to 12.8 years in the last 150 years. This is probably because of improved nutrition.
Some 10-15% of girls have their first menstruation before the age of 11. Being fertile at age 8, which was when this girl was raped, is still pretty unusual, though.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by kourama
<RANT>

F*CK the church, F*CK the scumf*cks who take money from the poorest people on earth and build the worlds largest mega-coporation running tax free in all countries, who still find time to F*CK with people's lives.

</RANT>

...ah, I feel better getting that outta my system.

And people wonder why I'm having a crisis of faith.

Thanks Kourama. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Blue Monk]

10 to 1 the church will 'forgive' the rapist before the girl.

[renata]

Originally posted by LukeT
I find it hard to believe a 9 year old can get pregnant.

It is hard to believe. I have heard that for various reasons, female maturity comes earlier and earlier. However, in records kept in the past, ages of people in rural areas are frequently distorted. In this case, a gynecologist for an antiabortion group used a 1939 article to show a woman can give birth at 5 years old to justify his opinion that the 9 year could have carried the child to term. Others disagreed.

From the article in LA times
Rafael Cabrera, a gynecologist who heads Nicaragua's largest antiabortion group, said Rosa would have been able to give birth to the child. He pointed to an article about a girl said to be the youngest mother ever, a Peruvian who gave birth in 1939 at age 5.

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An ultrasound showed a seemingly normal 16-week-old fetus. Rosa was in stable condition, though suffering "extreme stress." But, in the end, the state-sponsored panel of doctors decided that either an abortion or a continued pregnancy carried severe risks.

"After an exhaustive evaluation, we conclude that the child runs a potential risk of suffering severe damage, including death, in either of the two alternatives," the commission wrote. "This should be given to the parents so they can make an informed decision."

The women's group and a lawyer representing the family decided that that final sentence gave the parents the authority to choose. At a family meeting, Rosa and her parents opted for an abortion, Delgado said. The Catholic Church has complained that it was never allowed to talk with the family to dissuade them.

[spoonhandler]

I loathe those who argue for a 'Right to Life' but do nothing to ensure any rights or possibilities as to the quality of that life. :mad:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Tmy
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/083/nation/Abortion_on_girl_9_ignites_debate+.shtml (http://http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/083/nation/Abortion_on_girl_9_ignites_debate+.shtml)

MANAGUA -- A child's private ordeal has touched off divisive debate in Nicaragua, where an abortion on the 9-year-old rape victim outraged the influential Roman Catholic Church, toppled a Cabinet minister, and brought demands for liberalization of pregnancy laws


This story bugs me on so many levels. I dont see how people would want to force this pregnancy on a 9 year old.

Don't look at me!!! I've never been to Managua. :eek:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Tmy
This story bugs me on so many levels. I dont see how people would want to force this pregnancy on a 9 year old.

The catholic church at work. Anyone who is a catholic should be ashamed of themselves.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by renata
I want to do unspeakable things to these people.

Like the priests do to the alter boys??

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Blue Monk
10 to 1 the church will 'forgive' the rapist before the girl.

Forgive my naiveté, but you are being serious about those odds right?:eek:

How exactly does the pro life crowd react to this? Change of subject or the serenade of crickets?

What sort of sicko rapes nine year olds?

Give them to the cassowaries. Only thing for it.

[Megalodon]

Originally posted by renata
I want to do unspeakable things to these people.

Although I firmly believe that a society should not execute their citizens and, consequently am against the death penalty....

.... I would so much enjoy slowly killing these bastards.

And I'm not talking about the rapist. I guess is a sick pervert that should be locked away and studied, so that people like him may one day be identified and treated before these kind of situations arise.

But these righteous a**holes probably think of themselves as pillars of the community, and don't think twice about sacrifying a little girl to their obtuse morals and criminal religion...
I don't know what I would do if I was this little girl father, But I guess that a lot of priests would show up floating in the nearest river :mad: