Dorian Gray
28th October 2004, 09:47 PM
How can you people live with yourselves? Anyone who believes this crap is utterly woo-woo insane!
First, from Michael Savage the complete nutjob. I was listening to his show and he was blowing chow on two "points": The ABC tape was being "hidden" until after the election because it "helps Bush", and the Russian special forces moved the WMDs out of Iraq! Insane!
The ABC tape. Hmmm, can anyone come up with a possible reason why they might not have shown as fact an unconfirmed, unverified, unchecked tape of dubious nature? Could they have learned a little bit from the CBS memo? Maybe?
"ABC News has shared this tape with both the CIA and FBI as part of our reporting process. ABC News is committed to accurate, credible, and complete journalism and is applying the same scrutiny to this tape that we apply to all raw information. ABC continues to report this story very aggressively," says Jeffery Schneider, vice president of ABC News.
http://csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html
A U.S. official told FOX News the tape is believed to be authentic. But the CIA (search) says it has been unable to confirm the tape's authenticity and is analyzing it further.
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The tape was handed to the CIA and National Security Agency by ABC News three days ago, multiple government sources told FOX News. ABC is said to have received the tape last weekend from a terrorist source in Waziristan, a region in Pakistan near the Afghan border where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are believed to be holed up.
"We cannot verify the authenticity of this tape," one official said after the preliminary technical analysis presented inconclusive results. One source said the verification process had been complicated because the tape is a copy, not an original.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136937,00.html
And the Russians moving the WMDs: He says it was from the Washington Times. Well, here it is:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
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The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken. It was Saddam. No, it was the Russians. No, wait.
Look, it says that forces took the place on April 2, then left without looking for anything beyond WMDs. Another US coalition group got there on April 6, but didn't look for anything at all. No one looked for explosives specifically until May 8. Apparently, Bush was so worried about finding WMDs that he forgot his people could be killed by regular weapons, too. My informed opinion is that the explosives were removed gradually over that month period - NOT removed all at once by several Russian troop transports.
I WOULD like to think we would have seen that, or noticed it, or intelligence would have picked something up, or something. Because think about the alternative - we would HAVE to declare war on Russia, or impose sanctions, or SOMETHING. We would HAVE to revive the Cold War. We would HAVE to admit that our intelligence was the biggest load of crap the world had ever seen. The Pentagon, the entire Bush administration, the CIA, the FBI, British intelligence, the entire no-fly surveillance team, our satellite imaging system, they would ALL have been totally fooled by Russia and Iraq, Syria and Jordan and Iran. I don't even think that is REMOTELY possible. Plus, we couldn't just let Russia get away with that. Would Bush retract his embarassing support of Putin?
So this story MUSt be bullsht.
Next: Savage calls, at the top of his lungs, for the US LITERALLY to nuke Mecca and Medina, using the organized crime analogy! a Godfather - you don't take out the henchmen, you take out the leader, or at least something that is near and dear to the leader. So what, we go around killing all the leaders in the Middle East? Plus, if the FBI destroyed a still (during Prohibition), or a counterfeit money printing operation, or a meth lab, or whatever, that's ONE THING used by a FEW PEOPLE. Nuking Mecca and Medina - those are the two holiest cities in Islam - used by ONE BILLION people. Do we really want to nuke a couple million people and ON TOP OF THAT anger a BILLION people who might have been for removing the seedier elements from Islam but now must JOIN them?
First, from Michael Savage the complete nutjob. I was listening to his show and he was blowing chow on two "points": The ABC tape was being "hidden" until after the election because it "helps Bush", and the Russian special forces moved the WMDs out of Iraq! Insane!
The ABC tape. Hmmm, can anyone come up with a possible reason why they might not have shown as fact an unconfirmed, unverified, unchecked tape of dubious nature? Could they have learned a little bit from the CBS memo? Maybe?
"ABC News has shared this tape with both the CIA and FBI as part of our reporting process. ABC News is committed to accurate, credible, and complete journalism and is applying the same scrutiny to this tape that we apply to all raw information. ABC continues to report this story very aggressively," says Jeffery Schneider, vice president of ABC News.
http://csmonitor.com/2004/1029/p06s01-wosc.html
A U.S. official told FOX News the tape is believed to be authentic. But the CIA (search) says it has been unable to confirm the tape's authenticity and is analyzing it further.
...
The tape was handed to the CIA and National Security Agency by ABC News three days ago, multiple government sources told FOX News. ABC is said to have received the tape last weekend from a terrorist source in Waziristan, a region in Pakistan near the Afghan border where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are believed to be holed up.
"We cannot verify the authenticity of this tape," one official said after the preliminary technical analysis presented inconclusive results. One source said the verification process had been complicated because the tape is a copy, not an original.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136937,00.html
And the Russians moving the WMDs: He says it was from the Washington Times. Well, here it is:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
...
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken. It was Saddam. No, it was the Russians. No, wait.
Look, it says that forces took the place on April 2, then left without looking for anything beyond WMDs. Another US coalition group got there on April 6, but didn't look for anything at all. No one looked for explosives specifically until May 8. Apparently, Bush was so worried about finding WMDs that he forgot his people could be killed by regular weapons, too. My informed opinion is that the explosives were removed gradually over that month period - NOT removed all at once by several Russian troop transports.
I WOULD like to think we would have seen that, or noticed it, or intelligence would have picked something up, or something. Because think about the alternative - we would HAVE to declare war on Russia, or impose sanctions, or SOMETHING. We would HAVE to revive the Cold War. We would HAVE to admit that our intelligence was the biggest load of crap the world had ever seen. The Pentagon, the entire Bush administration, the CIA, the FBI, British intelligence, the entire no-fly surveillance team, our satellite imaging system, they would ALL have been totally fooled by Russia and Iraq, Syria and Jordan and Iran. I don't even think that is REMOTELY possible. Plus, we couldn't just let Russia get away with that. Would Bush retract his embarassing support of Putin?
So this story MUSt be bullsht.
Next: Savage calls, at the top of his lungs, for the US LITERALLY to nuke Mecca and Medina, using the organized crime analogy! a Godfather - you don't take out the henchmen, you take out the leader, or at least something that is near and dear to the leader. So what, we go around killing all the leaders in the Middle East? Plus, if the FBI destroyed a still (during Prohibition), or a counterfeit money printing operation, or a meth lab, or whatever, that's ONE THING used by a FEW PEOPLE. Nuking Mecca and Medina - those are the two holiest cities in Islam - used by ONE BILLION people. Do we really want to nuke a couple million people and ON TOP OF THAT anger a BILLION people who might have been for removing the seedier elements from Islam but now must JOIN them?