Redskins predict Kerry for Pres.

[bozothedeathmachine]

Linky (http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp)

Just a bit of fun courtesy of Snopes.

Claim: The outcome of Washington Redskins home football games has correctly predicted the winner of every U.S. presidential election since 1936.

Status: True


Packers: 28
Redskins: 14

[demon]

So who's gonna win?
The pro-war candidate or the pro-war candidate?
The filthy-rich populist phoney or the filthy-rich populist phoney? The all-American warrior who's gonna break Bin Laden's bottom or the all-American warrior who's gonna break Bin Laden's bottom?
This could be the most important decision you never have to make.

[Eleatic Stranger]

Wow - so you think both candidates are basically the same?

You're really informed and ironic and cool!

[demon]

Educate me then.

[Cain]

Originally posted by demon
So who's gonna win?
The pro-war candidate or the pro-war candidate?
The filthy-rich populist phoney or the filthy-rich populist phoney? The all-American warrior who's gonna break Bin Laden's bottom or the all-American warrior who's gonna break Bin Laden's bottom?
This could be the most important decision you never have to make.

I agree in a way, to an extent. The choices are more symbolic than real, which is typical for American presidential elections. However, in this case George W. Bush embodies the principles and beliefs that all thinking people ougth to detest.

I'm not voting or supporting Kerry, though he's definitely better of the two (which ain't sayin' much). When it comes down to it they're both corporate financed warmongers.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Originally posted by bozothedeathmachine
Linky (http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp)

Just a bit of fun courtesy of Snopes.

Packers: 28
Redskins: 14
Good stuff!

After reading the Snopes link, would you say in todays game that the Redskins were:
- defeated
- edged
- bested
- trounced
- spooked
- pasted
- walloped
- trimmed
- thrashed
or - downed?

I kinda like "spooked"

Charlie (adverb challenged) Monoxide

[demon]

I take your point too. I've developed a certain loathing for the fox news anchors and I would just love to see their day's reporting should the French loving gay boy liberal win.
Should Bush lose we can forget all this concentration on individual personalities like Bush's born again bull(censored) (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870531930#rule8) or Cheney/oil baron, and get back to exposing the inherently corrupt nature of the system.

It`s not wanting Kerry to win (nobody with any wit is convinced he'll be any good), it's a visceral hatred of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and fear at the rise of religous fundamentalism in the world's only superpower that is driving most democrats in this election I think.

I totally agree about the "corporate" issue.
The fundamentally pathological nature of the corporate system, the links between the corporate system and murderous dictatorships in the Third World, the links between the corporate arms industry/corporate politics and the promotion of national and international violence, the corporate nature of the media, and so on.

I think it`s unconstructive (mainly that is), to focus on individual thinkers, politicians, PR executives and political groups +without+ locating them in the pathological corporate system that is pursuing fundamentally profit-oriented goals, and which makes their activities possible.
Public manipulation through fear is a very old tradition rooted, over the last 100 years for example, in the big business desire to associate left movements with an evil "Red Menace", and to associate "the American Way" with corporate capitalism. It`s not a new phenomena. It`s not about "bad apples" as far as I`m concerned but about deeper, systemic problems.

The present bunch of neocons are essentially the same old corporate elites camouflaging the latest power-grab with crass ideology (much of it recycled by the same personnel from their "War on Terror" during the 1980s).
Let`s not take this ideology at face value. The use of fear, like the neocon project itself, is fundamentally rooted in corporate control of society. Most of the neocon rhetoric with it`s slogans is nothing more than code words for the real issue: dissident challenges to business control of society.

It`s like when elites talked of "a crisis of democracy" during the Vietnam era, they weren't referring to a woeful relaxing of social mores corroding the social fabric; they were referring to the fact that previously marginalised groups - working people, students, people of colour - were seeking to involve themselves in politics and political decisions that were normally the proper preserve of elite business interests.

That they are "both corporate financed warmongers" just about sums it up for me.

[Dorian Gray]

You know, since the Red Sox won the World Series after 86 years, I think it's the season for breaking trends.