Who murdered Arafat?

[Elind]

How about some speculation of what will be in the Arab press when Arafat finally succumbs to his mysterious illness?

Of course the Israelis and the CIA did him in with their superpowers; but how?

[corplinx]

Whoever they were, I give them my thanks for killing one of the biggest aholes on the planet.

[Random]

I am not sure that the death of Arafat is such a great thing. If it was, he would have died of a "suspicious illness" years ago. The thing that has kept Arafat alive and in power is quite simple. Nobody has any idea who is going to replace him. Compared to some of the nutcases out there, Arafat is a moderate.

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by Elind
How about some speculation of what will be in the Arab press when Arafat finally succumbs to his mysterious illness?

Of course the Israelis and the CIA did him in with their superpowers; but how?

CNN reported (TV in my background) that some Pal Newspaper is reporting (sorry for the double hearsay) that Israel killed him with food poisoning.

Anybody heard same C-T?

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by Random
I am not sure that the death of Arafat is such a great thing. If it was, he would have died of a "suspicious illness" years ago. The thing that has kept Arafat alive and in power is quite simple. Nobody has any idea who is going to replace him. Compared to some of the nutcases out there, Arafat is a moderate.

I hear A_U_P is on the short list. Fool will act as PM.

[zenith-nadir]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
CNN reported (TV in my background) that some Pal Newspaper is reporting (sorry for the double hearsay) that Israel killed him with food poisoning.

Anybody heard same C-T? You'll realize that in the Arab world Israel is responsible for everything Rob. For if one blames Israel for everything then one never has to take responsibility for anything. ;)

[PogoPedant]

Yup, seems there's a rumor of poisoning. My source was www.aftenposten.no that listed it among several rumors going around. One rumor claims that Arafat is doing great. So who was it that said that AUP would be first to mention wacky conspiracy theories? ;)

[zenith-nadir]

Well that didn't take long.

Arafat poisoned? (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/250074p-214174c.html) A Palenstian diplomat accused the Israelis yesterday of poisoning Yasser Arafat. "The doctors until now could not diagnose precisely what is wrong with him, but it is believed there is a poison," Ali Kazak, who heads the Palestinian delegation to Australia, told the Herald Sun newspaper in Melbourne.

Arafat's doctor, Ashraf Kurdi, told the Al Jazeera satellite TV network that, "Arafat's health condition makes poisoning a strong possibility."

[demon]

Damned Arabs eh?
Next thing you know they`ll be accusing Israel of carrying missiles in ambulances!

[zenith-nadir]

Originally posted by demon
Damned Arabs eh? Next thing you know they`ll be accusing Israel of carrying missiles in ambulances! The funny thing about the claim of poisioning Demon is that one hundred doctors have seen him since late October, the best doctors in France tested his soon-to-be corpse, yet Israel poisoned him is still "a possibility" for Ali Kazak and Ashraf Kurdi. :D

Anyhow, we are talking about a demographic that still believes jews were not told to go to work on 9-11 as Mossad cameramen danced with joy on New Jersey rooftops...;)

[demon]

ZN:
"Anyhow, we are talking about a demographic that still believes jews were not told to go to work on 9-11 as Mossad cameramen danced with joy on New Jersey rooftops..."

And most of your US "demographic" thinks that Saddam was responsible for it.
Go figure eh?

[Kopji]

If they kept me pinned down in some little bombed out ruin for three years it'd probably be death by STD. :wink:

Sheesh, I just feel almost nothing for the guy. He's worked so long for his own ego and power it's hard to give a damn.

He's lived a long life, will be remembered as a great hero and martyr, surrounded by pretty French nurses (a personal deathbed wish of mine).

One of his 'supporters' will probably accidentally pull the plug.

[zenith-nadir]

Originally posted by demon
And most of your US "demographic" thinks that Saddam was responsible for it. Go figure eh? Arafat was the worst thing ever to happen to the Palestinians. For 40 years he used them as a proxy in the Arab worlds' effort to destroy Israel. He stole from Palestinians, alienated Palestinians throughout the Western and Arab world, played Palestinians against Palestinians and left a wake of destruction from Jordan to Lebanon to Gaza and the West Bank.

Even in death Ali Kazak, who heads the Palestinian delegation to Australia and Ashraf Kurdi, Arafat's doctor, don't blame Arafat for his own death....:D

[Atlas]

Originally posted by zenith-nadir
Well that didn't take long.

Arafat poisoned? (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/250074p-214174c.html) It's taken way too long for me. The Middle East lives on rumor and lie. How did it take this long to surface? I was going to start a thread on this topic when he first became ill. This is just another example of the media being slow to report the facts on the ground.

If you were part of the non Israeli Middle East and a 75 year old man gets sick and dies - FOR NO REASON!! What would you think??

The Jews.

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Kopji
... He's lived a long life, will be remembered as a great hero and martyr... I wonder about this. In many cult of personality states, if the dead leader is not succeeded by a relative his memory is sullied if not expunged.

He'll be buried as a hero but it's very possible, if the Palestinians move now toward statehood, Arafat will not be remembered kindly by Palestinian historians.

[demon]

ZN:
"Well that didn't take long.

Arafat poisoned? "

I guess stuff like this doesn`t actually inspire confidence among Palestinians that he wasn`t poisoned. Looks like they had their reasons.

Quote:
Many Palestinians are convinced that Ariel Sharon, the implacable opponent with whom he had first duelled in exile in Lebanon, had a hand in Arafat's collapse. They remember Sharon's statement earlier this year that he no longer felt bound by his promise "not to harm" Arafat. In a cunningly vague article in the Jerusalem Post his confidant, Uri Dan, yesterday hinted that Sharon "eliminated" Arafat via one of his chefs. So it is not surprising that rumours are swirling that Arafat was surreptitiously poisoned or infected.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1344288,00.html
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I think this was reported on both BBC and C4 News tonight.

[zenith-nadir]

Well you got me there Demon. Since the "Guardian" printed a third-party heresay conspiracy theory then hell....it must be true!

[DanishDynamite]

The only thing which I hope the people in power are realizing, is that the "war on terror" begins and ends with the Israel/Palestine conflict.

I have no qualms in hoping that Arafat croaks. He was in many ways a stumbling block for peace.

What I hope even more is that Bush realizes that his war on terror can be substantially more successful if he decides that the parties to the Israel/Palestine conflict must be f**king forced to reach a solution.

[zenith-nadir]

Originally posted by DanishDynamite
The only thing which I hope the people in power are realizing, is that the "war on terror" begins and ends with the Israel/Palestine conflict. Funny thing is Osama Bin Laden said nothing about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict originally in his reasons for 9-11. I feel Islamic fundamentalism is the cause and the Israeli/Palestinian issue is an excuse. If the Israeli/Palestinian issue was the cause then Palestinians wouldn't be kept hostage in 50-year-old refugee camps in Arab countries without jobs or citizenship.

[Rob Lister]

Okay, here's the scoop. Listen up.

Stop blaming Israel.

And don't bother blaming Bush either.

I admit it.

I did it.

Me.

Me, personally.

I'm responsible.

I'll be giving autographs at 9:00 PM est (that roughly 15 minutes)

[Elind]

Originally posted by zenith-nadir
Funny thing is Osama Bin Laden said nothing about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict originally in his reasons for 9-11. I feel Islamic fundamentalism is the cause and the Israeli/Palestinian issue is an excuse. If the Israeli/Palestinian issue was the cause then Palestinians wouldn't be kept hostage in 50-year-old refugee camps in Arab countries without jobs or citizenship.

True, but "cause" is the wrong word; "excuse" would better, but of course you already said that.

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by Elind
True, but "cause" is the wrong word; "excuse" would better.

1000 points to whoever can name the author of this:

Peace in the region would take enormous steam out of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism worldwide. They would have to think of a new excuse to murder people.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
1000 points to whoever can name the author of this: Bill Clinton, last Thursday.

1000 points of what? How does that translate into S&H Greenstampts?

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by hgc
Bill Clinton, last Thursday.

1000 points of what? How does that translate into S&H Greenstampts?

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[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Elind
How about some speculation of what will be in the Arab press when Arafat finally succumbs to his mysterious illness?

Of course the Israelis and the CIA did him in with their superpowers; but how?

They used the CIA cancer gun, just like Tipper Gore did on Frank Zappa...
;)

[mapguy114]

If "they" wanted arafat dead, he would have been dead a thousand times over. Last I heard, he may have had AIDS. (it must get a little lonely in the compound after a couple of years.....)

[crimresearch]

Double post...

[Elind]

Originally posted by mapguy114
If "they" wanted arafat dead, he would have been dead a thousand times over. Last I heard, he may have had AIDS. (it must get a little lonely in the compound after a couple of years.....)

That makes sense, but he was probably infected by western agents who, according to his fellow Nobel winner of this year, are the ones who developed it in order to wipe out "inferior" peoples. It also explains why the French can't (won't) say what ails him, since we all know they will bend over backwards for Arafat.

[epepke]

Originally posted by zenith-nadir
[B]The funny thing about the claim of poisioning Demon is that one hundred doctors have seen him since late October, the best doctors in France tested his soon-to-be corpse, yet Israel poisoned him is still "a possibility" for Ali Kazak and Ashraf Kurdi. :D

That just proves that the French love Israel, which is why they went against the US, and, oh, wait a minute.

Anyway, it's easy to poison someone. It would take some terribly expensive poisons to produce the symptoms that have been reported about Arafat. Platelet count, people? Leukocytosis? Powdered uranium or plutonium, over a period of a decade or so, would be the easiest. And even then, there's only a fairly small chance.

But I'm sure a lot of people here will think it's just evidence of how sneaky those kikes are.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by demon
ZN:
"Anyhow, we are talking about a demographic that still believes jews were not told to go to work on 9-11 as Mossad cameramen danced with joy on New Jersey rooftops..."

And most of your US "demographic" thinks that Saddam was responsible for it.
Go figure eh? No, they don't. Not that you care about the truth.

[demon]

"No, they don't. Not that you care about the truth."


Is that it? Up to your usual standard of devestating rebuttals eh?
No wonder, you`re probably one of them:rolleyes:

[demon]

ZN:
"The funny thing about the claim of poisioning Demon is that one hundred doctors have seen him since late October, the best doctors in France tested his soon-to-be corpse, yet Israel poisoned him is still "a possibility" for Ali Kazak and Ashraf Kurdi."

ZN, I`m not saying he was poisoned ok?
As you`ll know, I`ve made it clear in the past that as far as I was concerned, Arafat was not such a problem for Sharon and his Likudniks. They had him buried long before this.

However, if fuel is added to the flames then no one should be suprised when these rumours start doing the rounds.

[Ladewig]

New theory: Arafat poisoned himself.


With all this Jewish conspiracy momentum out there, I'm surprised someone isn't on Broadway producing "Jews - The Musical." The opening number could be about the writing of the Protocols, then a couple of scences taking us up to WW I. Lyrics might be a bit tough, what rhymes with Rothchilds? We may have a hit here. Quick, get Mel Brooks on the line.

[Ladewig]

I'm going to start looking for:
Arafat was moved to France so those ghoulish Jewish doctors could sell his organs on the black market, like they always do.


Shhhh, be very, very quiet. I'm hunting conspiracies.

[Ladewig]

zenith-nadir
"Anyhow, we are talking about a demographic that still believes jews were not told to go to work on 9-11 as Mossad cameramen danced with joy on New Jersey rooftops..."

demon
And most of your US "demographic" thinks that Saddam was responsible for it.
Go figure eh?

Hey, 42% is not "most."

As of last month, only 42 percent of Americans still believe deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attacks according to a USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll.

The poll also found 75 percent of Bush backers believe Hussein substantively helped al-Qaida, and 55 percent incorrectly think the 9/11 Commission came to the same conclusion.

[zenith-nadir]

Originally posted by Ladewig
I'm going to start looking for:
Arafat was moved to France so those ghoulish Jewish doctors could sell his organs on the black market, like they always do.
Shhhh, be very, very quiet. I'm hunting conspiracies. The irony of an Arab leader going to kafir hospital in the evil West is not lost on some of us. ;)

[valis]

Here is one of many sites speculating that he is suffering from AIDS.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/110104arafat.htm

[Elind]

Originally posted by valis
Here is one of many sites speculating that he is suffering from AIDS.
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/110104arafat.htm

Well, if we buy that without proof, we are no better than the Arab conspiracy buffs, but it is something that could be easily proven with a little blood sample; except that it would take the French government's approval to do it in an unrefutable manner - so probably we will never know.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by zenith-nadir
You'll realize that in the Arab world Israel is responsible for everything Rob.
In apparently speaking once again for an entire group of people as you often do (in this case Arabs), did you: -
1/ Ask every one of them to make sure that this, your latest claim was true.
2/ Use Uri Geller to psychically analyses their auras.
3/ Just make it up.

[Atlas]

Debka says the French are trying to kick Arafat out. Fascinating stuff. Looks like only the Tunisians would allow for Arafat's sendoff.

Link (http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=932) Howwever, French efforts to unload Arafat by mid-week have been stymied by the lack of any accredited authority willing and able to organize the funeral or even determine the Palestinian leader’s final burial place. No Arab or Muslim leader will attend a funeral in Gaza or Jerusalem because it would entail transiting through an Israeli international port as well as risking his life in a Palestinian terrorist battle zone such as the Gaza Strip.

An earlier suggestion to overcome this difficulty, by Arab and European leaders attending a lying-in-state ceremony in Paris before the coffin’s transfer to Cairo, fell through. According to DEBKAfile’s Middle East sources, three governments - France, Egypt and Jordan – refused to allow any part of the final ceremonies on their soil. Paris then asked the Tunisian president Zeit bin Ali for permission to hold the central ceremony in his capital, so that European, Arab and Musli leaders could pay their last respects in safety. The coffin would then be flown to Cairo and on to the Gaza Strip for burial.

[valis]

Originally posted by Elind
Well, if we buy that without proof, we are no better than the Arab conspiracy buffs, but it is something that could be easily proven with a little blood sample; except that it would take the French government's approval to do it in an unrefutable manner - so probably we will never know.

Well allow me to say I did not say that I belive it, just put it out there for others to see.

I kind of think that once you get into the morass of the Middle East it gets a little hard to find out the truth. Maybe it is a Mossad smear job. Maybe it's true but then so what. I think Arafat is garbage but his sex life sure ain't the reason why. Who really cares what he sleeps with.Point is I did't say I belived it.

[Elind]

Originally posted by valis
Well allow me to say I did not say that I belive it, just put it out there for others to see.

I kind of think that once you get into the morass of the Middle East it gets a little hard to find out the truth. Maybe it is a Mossad smear job. Maybe it's true but then so what. I think Arafat is garbage but his sex life sure ain't the reason why. Who really cares what he sleeps with.Point is I did't say I belived it.

Relax, I didn't believe that you believed.

:D

[Elind]

A speculative quote....I should have thought of this earlier. Isn't the family always the first suspect?

Arafat’s wife Suha will demand Abbas and Qureia sign documents drafted by her French lawyers guaranteeing her multimillion dollar inheritance and pension - as price for switching off life support systems.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Elind
How about some speculation of what will be in the Arab press when Arafat finally succumbs to his mysterious illness?

Of course the Israelis and the CIA did him in with their superpowers; but how?

Looks like the answers are in, and the French don't have the credibility they thought they did:

Palestinians Believe Arafat Was Poisoned: Poll
Agence France Presse

NABLUS, 22 November 2004 — More than 80 percent of Palestinians believe that veteran leader Yasser Arafat died as a result of poisoning and not from natural causes, a poll published yesterday revealed.

[Elind]

And they want to have a nation. :(




Arafat's nephew not ruling out poison as cause of death
11/22/2004 10:59 AM
By: Capital News 9 web staff



While Yasser Arafat's nephew says toxicology tests on his uncle show no poisons were found in his system, Arafat's nephew isn't ruling that out as a cause of death.

Nasser al-Kidwa said "we don't have proof" that Arafat wasn't killed by poisoning. He said Arafat's medical records give no clear diagnosis for his death, leaving "a question mark" for "some time to come."

Al-Kidwa said Arafat's medical records will be "put at the disposal of the Palestinian Authority," but didn't say when.

Al-Kidwa is also the Palestinian ambassador to the UN.

[Upchurch]

Who murdered Arafat?

Father Time is on my short list of suspects, although his long time companion, Mother Nature, may be a co-conspirator. These two have been on a murder spree for quite some time now.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Who murdered Arafat?

Father Time is on my short list of suspects, although his long time companion, Mother Nature, may be a co-conspirator. These two have been on a murder spree for quite some time now.

No good. Everyone knows someone like him would have lived forever if not for evil enemies.:crazy:

[DaChew]

Poison? AIDS? You people obviously don't know the first thing about crime solving. Those aren't even possible choices.
I'm going with: Observatory, candlestick, Colonel Mustard.

[Elind]

Originally posted by DaChew
Poison? AIDS? You people obviously don't know the first thing about crime solving. Those aren't even possible choices.
I'm going with: Observatory, candlestick, Colonel Mustard.

Actually, I think he would have recovered except for something that happened when his wife was left alone in his room.

[DaChew]

Originally posted by Elind
Actually, I think he would have recovered except for something that happened when his wife was left alone in his room.

Yes, I agree. The surgical removal of several hundred million dollars is often fatal.

[Elind]

Originally posted by DaChew
Yes, I agree. The surgical removal of several hundred million dollars is often fatal.

And that was necessary because of the constipation?? :wink8:

[webfusion]

This just in -----

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=124651

Attallah Quiba, the Palestinian ambassador in Sri Lanka, believes that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was killed by unnamed Israelis using advanced technology, the Island newspaper said (March 19th).

Responding to questions at a media conference in Colombo on Friday, Quiba claimed that two Israelis who met Arafat on the day he was taken sick "used a laser device to attack Arafat."

A Laser Device.

Was this worth bumping the thread?
I dunno, but since we never heard a peep out of Al-Kidwa, this will have to suffice.

Thanks for stopping by.

[Atlas]

"They tried to flee after using the device but were wrestled down by the Palestinian Authority security personnel. Both men were carrying Canadian passports." Geez webfusion - what can we expect next?

Now those pesky Palestinians have captured a laser device that can poison old people. I sure hope they don't use it on anyone.

Damm those Canadians!!!

[Skeptic]

Yes, I agree. The surgical removal of several hundred million dollars is often fatal.

The bedside wrangling over the billions Arafat stole was like a real-life case of the Monty Python sketch about the hospital which concentrates on "diseases of the rich" and specialized in radical surgery of "removing all funds from the patient".

[Cleon]

The Palestinian ambassador to Sri Lanka, eh? Wow. Can you get any higher in the PA?

AFAIK, the official stance of the PA is that Arafat died of illness. What illness exactly is unknown, but as I've pointed out to my Palestinian friends, he was a seventy-five-year-old man imprisoned in his home for three years, with God-knows-what kind of water and food supplies. Even if the guy saw his doctor every day, ate a perfectly balanced meal, drank however many cups of water you're supposed to these days (pure, of course), this couldn't have been without some sort of health ramifications.

[Skeptic]

he was a seventy-five-year-old man imprisoned in his home for three years, with God-knows-what kind of water and food supplies

...and all because he masterminded the murder of a few thousand lousy jews. Sheesh. Some people are so vindictive.

[gnome]

Originally posted by webfusion
This just in -----

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=124651

Attallah Quiba, the Palestinian ambassador in Sri Lanka, believes that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was killed by unnamed Israelis using advanced technology, the Island newspaper said (March 19th).

Responding to questions at a media conference in Colombo on Friday, Quiba claimed that two Israelis who met Arafat on the day he was taken sick "used a laser device to attack Arafat."

A Laser Device.

Was this worth bumping the thread?
I dunno, but since we never heard a peep out of Al-Kidwa, this will have to suffice.

Thanks for stopping by.

More to this conspiracy:

According to polls, some 90 percent of the Arab world believes that some years ago, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Saddam Hussein and the Sultan of Brunei were kidnapped by the CIA and replaced by Israeli look-alikes and that later these look-alikes were killed and replaced by Israeli robots, one of which is a lesbian robot. Also, one of the robots is invisible. Let me just say that this is, at best, a gross simplification of the truth. There's a lot more to that story than that! And, anyway, it happened during the Clinton administration.

---"George Bush" on Saturday Night Live.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Cleon
The Palestinian ambassador to Sri Lanka, eh? Wow. Can you get any higher in the PA?

AFAIK, the official stance of the PA is that Arafat died of illness. What illness exactly is unknown, but as I've pointed out to my Palestinian friends, he was a seventy-five-year-old man imprisoned in his home for three years, with God-knows-what kind of water and food supplies. Even if the guy saw his doctor every day, ate a perfectly balanced meal, drank however many cups of water you're supposed to these days (pure, of course), this couldn't have been without some sort of health ramifications.

Not sure how serious you are here, but

a: he wasn't "imprisoned" in a room. He chose to hang out there giving that impression because it suited his martyrdom image.

b: I know of plenty of 75 year old people who pretty much stay in their home all the time. Could that be because they are not healthy and are 75, or are they not healthy and 75 because they are unhealthy and 75 and have to stay in their homes?

Duhh

[Elind]

Originally posted by webfusion
This just in -----

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=124651

Attallah Quiba, the Palestinian ambassador in Sri Lanka, believes that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was killed by unnamed Israelis using advanced technology, the Island newspaper said (March 19th).

Responding to questions at a media conference in Colombo on Friday, Quiba claimed that two Israelis who met Arafat on the day he was taken sick "used a laser device to attack Arafat."

A Laser Device.

Was this worth bumping the thread?
I dunno, but since we never heard a peep out of Al-Kidwa, this will have to suffice.

Thanks for stopping by.

I'm impressed!

How did you find this gem to ressurect since last November? However....There are probably still movies in the works about Kennedy; so.....

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Elind
Not sure how serious you are here, but

a: he wasn't "imprisoned" in a room. He chose to hang out there giving that impression because it suited his martyrdom image.


Er, yeah, the tanks and soldiers surrounding his house had nothing to do with it...


b: I know of plenty of 75 year old people who pretty much stay in their home all the time. Could that be because they are not healthy and are 75, or are they not healthy and 75 because they are unhealthy and 75 and have to stay in their homes?

How many of them are living in Ramallah?

[Elind]

Originally posted by Cleon
Er, yeah, the tanks and soldiers surrounding his house had nothing to do with it...



I'm sure a search will find the relevant restrictions that he had, but I know I had seen them and they weren't house arrest; he just chose to make it look like that.



How many of them are living in Ramallah?

The air quality was dangerous in this part of Ramallah?:confused:

What does that have to do with anything?

[DaChew]

Actual photo of dirty Israeli attacking Arafat with laser device.

Dirty Israeli murdering Arafat (http://www.animationusa.com/picts/wbpict/hp02/3_Mad-Mars-Hare.jpg)

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by Cleon
How many of them are living in Ramallah?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the average life expectancy of Palestinian-Arabs in the disputed territories was comparable to US citizens living in the US.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Mycroft
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the average life expectancy of Palestinian-Arabs in the disputed territories was comparable to US citizens living in the US.
Are you claiming that this is actually true or did you just make it up?

Are you the Mycroft that doesn't believe that you have to support what you claim is true?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I think Terri Schiavo was involved.

[Elind]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
Are you claiming that this is actually true or did you just make it up?

Are you the Mycroft that doesn't believe that you have to support what you claim is true?

EJA, why don't you just counter the claim instead of blowing smoke?


Occupied Palestinian Territories
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 72.1
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 89.2 1

Syrian Arab Republic
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 71.5
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 75.3

Egypt
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 68.3
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 56.1


Lebanon
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 73.3
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 86.5


Saudi Arabia
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 71.9
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 77.1


Jordan
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 70.6
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 90.3


For a bunch of permanent "refugees" they seem to be doing better than almost all their fellow Arabs. The US life expectancy was 76.9. Higher, but not as relevant as the other comparisons. I'm sure Mycroft will grovel and apologize for misleading you if you ask nicely. Very nicely.

:D

[E.J.Armstrong]

EJA, why don't you just counter the claim instead of blowing smoke?


Occupied Palestinian Territories
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 72.1
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 89.2 1

Syrian Arab Republic
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 71.5
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 75.3

Egypt
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 68.3
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 56.1


Lebanon
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 73.3
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 86.5


Saudi Arabia
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 71.9
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 77.1


Jordan
Life expectancy at birth (years), 2001 70.6
Adult literacy rate (% age 15 and above), 2001 90.3


For a bunch of permanent "refugees" they seem to be doing better than almost all their fellow Arabs. The US life expectancy was 76.9. Higher, but not as relevant as the other comparisons. I'm sure Mycroft will grovel and apologize for misleading you if you ask nicely. Very nicely.

So, asking people to support their claims somehow out of season or akin to blowing smoke in your world. That is an interesting stance to take on a sceptics board. You also don't say where you got the figures from. Perhaps you have a reliable source?

Mycroft has a history of refusing to even define his own claims, so I don't think so. It seems accuracy is not one of his strong points either.

[Elind]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
So, asking people to support their claims somehow out of season or akin to blowing smoke in your world. That is an interesting stance to take on a sceptics board. You also don't say where you got the figures from. Perhaps you have a reliable source?

Mycroft has a history of refusing to even define his own claims, so I don't think so. It seems accuracy is not one of his strong points either.

As far as I'm concerned Mycroft's post was close enough to make the point that the Palestinians are not many years behind the US and ahead of their more "free" neighbors.

Yes he could have supported his claim, except that he said he "thought" he had seen such a reference. Seems to me that it was up to you to do your own research if you thought that was an unreasonable leap of faith to state, as are most of yours regarding the US.

You have internet access from Scotland I presume? Look it up.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Elind
As far as I'm concerned Mycroft's post was close enough to make the point that the Palestinians are not many years behind the US and ahead of their more "free" neighbors.
Unfortunately the Palestinians are behind Lebanon and significantly closer to the other countries than they are to the USA.Yes he could have supported his claim, except that he said he "thought" he had seen such a reference. Seems to me that it was up to you to do your own research if you thought that was an unreasonable leap of faith to state, as are most of yours regarding the US. It seems to me that Mycroft has a history of not wanting to support his claims. You seem to have a problem with him being asked a simple question about his claim on a sceptics board.

Once again you have declined to support this latest assertion or suppply the source for your figures. Perhaps you would now do so or do others have to do your work for you?You have internet access from Scotland I presume? Look it up. You really do have a problem with simple questions don't you. Are you on the right site? Feel free to make any claims you want but if you assert it is true then be expected to be asked to support it. Do your own work if you want to be taken seriously.

[Elind]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
Unfortunately the Palestinians are behind Lebanon and significantly closer to the other countries than they are to the USA. It seems to me that Mycroft has a history of not wanting to support his claims. You seem to have a problem with him being asked a simple question about his claim on a sceptics board.


You miss the target, again. I don't care what you think of Mycroft. The Palestinians are right up there with most of the West in terms of life expectancy. About as far behind the US as the US is behind Norway, and above all other Arabs in terms of population relatives. You asked a question that you could have easily answered yourself, as I have for you earlier, but out of irritation I don't feel like typing simple google searches for you when you appear incapable of doing so for yourself. Clear?





Once again you have declined to support this latest assertion or suppply the source for your figures. Perhaps you would now do so or do others have to do your work for you?



You want me to repeat myself?




You really do have a problem with simple questions don't you. Are you on the right site? Feel free to make any claims you want but if you assert it is true then be expected to be asked to support it. Do your own work if you want to be taken seriously.

Don't get snitty with me kid. I've done the work already. You want more; do it yourself.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Elind
You miss the target, again.
You know what - I really don't think so. Sorry.The Palestinians are right up there with most of the West in terms of life expectancy. About as far behind the US as the US is behind Norway, and above all other Arabs in terms of population relatives. You asked a question that you could have easily answered yourself, as I have for you earlier, but out of irritation I don't feel like typing simple google searches for you when you appear incapable of doing so for yourself. Clear? Given Mycrofts' past behaviour I asked him if he was claiming it was true. Simple questions seem to be a problem for you.

Unfortunately you are factually incorrect - see Lebanon (unless you do not believe it is an Arab country)- on the basis of your own evidence, which, interestingly, as yet you have failed to support with a link. If you refuse to support your claims so be it.
You want me to repeat myself? You made the claim. Perhaps you don't believe it's true? Who knows.Don't get snitty with me kid. I've done the work already. You want more; do it yourself. Au contraire. You want to be believed? Post your own support or not as you choose. It's your claim after all - not mine.

[Mycroft]

Elind,

You're a brave and noble soul, but I think we can both see why it's best not to feed the trolls.

:)

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Mycroft
You're a brave and noble soul, but I think we can both see why it's best not to feed the trolls.
Could this be the posting of support for his claim I wonder? Alas no. He posts but it seems that Mycroft is simply for making claims - not for justifying them with awkward things - like facts.

Plus ca change, as they say somewhere in the Middle East.