Creation/Evolution discussion on NPR

[Flaherty]

"Talk of the Nation: Science Friday" for Nov 19 featured an hour's discussion of teaching evolution and ID in the classroom, featuring Ken Miller. The second hour includes a good interview with Richard Dawkins.

Audio archive is at:

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5&prgDate=current

[Dr. Imago]

Originally posted by Flaherty
"Talk of the Nation: Science Friday" for Nov 19 featured an hour's discussion of teaching evolution and ID in the classroom, featuring Ken Miller. The second hour includes a good interview with Richard Dawkins.

Audio archive is at:

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5&prgDate=current

Yes, aliens designed us. Or, purple men from Planet X. It's so obvious. Or, "God(s)". Or, Ed.

Let's confuse kids and teach them what science isn't.

:rolleyes:

I'm glad two of the board members resigned after the vote. Good for them.

President Bush's opinion (quoted by Ira Flato from the NPR broadcast): "On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth."

Oh brother. Thank Ed we have HIM in office for four more years...

-TT

[Eos of the Eons]

President Bush's opinion (quoted by Ira Flato from the NPR broadcast): "On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth."

http://www.members.shaw.ca/eostory/bash.GIF

Gee, doesn't the bible explain that? Huh? Creationuts can teach whatever they want to in their damn churches.

Keep their ID/religious crap out of the schools! I'm really hoping Canada stays out of this all completely. I'm quite scared it will spread up here, like the disease of ignorance that it is. Kids are taught by fundies in science classes at is. They would spend all their time on ID and none on accurate information about evolution. As it is, they spend no time on evolution in schools except to give false information now. We don't need this crap to further trample science education into a deeper pit of ignorance.

[Dr. Imago]

I find the statement, a classic Bushism, more scary than amusing and one that probably passed muster for most people in the "red" states as completely logical...

:nope:

-TT

[geni]

Originally posted by ThirdTwin
I find the statement, a classic Bushism, more scary than amusing and one that probably passed muster for most people in the "red" states as completely logical...

:nope:

-TT

That stament is a Bushism?

[Anders W. Bonde]

'Bushism' as characterized by Bush 's particular propensity for the logical fallacy (among many others) of false dilemma as in the "if y'all ain't with us your'e against us" crap...

Sorry about the slight derail.

In Denmark we watch in stunned, shocked, horrified amazement as the US of A shoots itself in the foot by the pervaiding anti-science, anti-secular, anti-humanism movement - right to the very top of government - in the World's currently only superpower. Keep it up, and the US will degenerate into something very unattractive for good minds and everyone else, bar the TV evangelists and their ilk...Of, course the Americans have always been very good at making money out of nonsense and bad science as well as out of good science.

[Dr. Imago]

Originally posted by geni
That stament is a Bushism?

Do you need me to explain why? ;)

-TT

[geni]

Originally posted by ThirdTwin
Do you need me to explain why? ;)

-TT

Yes because there is no reason I can see that would mean that that was not what he intended to say.

[Dr. Imago]

Evolution, as a scientific study, does not particularly concern itself with a prejudicial stance and purported "fact" promulgated by fundamentalist Christians' literal interpretation of the Bible, of whom Bush is a card carrying member, that God created the earth. In this statement, Bush flatly concludes that God has created the earth. Therefore, this becomes a de facto (and quite silly) statement of his complete lack of understanding of the theory of evolution and, furthermore, the debate surrounding "intelligent design" in public school curricula.

Hence, it is a "Bushism", a silly and nonsensical statement or misspeak that serves to illustrate Bush's complete misunderstanding of the basic tenets of a particular subject matter, which he often painfully shows to the world as he vainly attempts to demonstrate anything other than a superficial, third-grader knowledge level.

-TT

(edit to fix hotlink, which I couldn't fix, so I deleted it... Google "Bushism" if interested)

[Anders W. Bonde]

As high as third grade?

[Dr. Imago]

Originally posted by Anders W. Bonde
As high as third grade?

I was being generous.

-TT

[pupdog]

But let's face it, on the campaign trail most candidates try to be vague enough not to lose votes from either side of this "controversy." The only candidate I can recall who flat-out said he did not support teaching Creationism in public schools was Arlen Spector during the 2000 primary. The usual evasion is to say the subject is one to be decided at the local level.

[Flaherty]

Originally posted by pupdog
But let's face it, on the campaign trail most candidates try to be vague enough not to lose votes from either side of this "controversy." The only candidate I can recall who flat-out said he did not support teaching Creationism in public schools was Arlen Spector during the 2000 primary. The usual evasion is to say the subject is one to be decided at the local level.

Al Gore apparently made the same wishy-washy statement on evolution that Bush did.