Mediums : Convex Mirrors and Water Jugs

[jambo372]

We have a little room in the back of the Spiritualist Church where the medium(s) go before they go up onto the platform to demonstrate spirit communication.

Up until recently there was a silver rimmed circular convex mirror resembling a satelite dish in the corner of the room. Why do mediums use security convex mirrors?

a) They act as a portal into another world as in the film Poltergeist. This helps with communication.

b) To use the tabor formulation and prepare their 3rd sight for action.

c) To admire themselves with and give their confidence a boost.

d) To spot any imperfections in their appearence - to apply cosmetics, brush hair etc.

e) To see if they look perfect.

Recently this faithful mirror was removed and replaced by a plain rectangular screw on to the wall mirror. Why might this have been ?

On the platform the mediums, leader and speaker drink lots of water poured from a tasteful jug into blue tumblers. Sometimes they would prefer it if they were promised alcohol.
Why do mediums drink so much water during demonstrations :

a) Mediumship is thirsty work.

b) The jug is attractive.

c) Drinking water increases compacity for spirit communication.

A lovely electronic fan is also placed by the platform from March til August but this is replaced by two portable radiators in colder months.

If you have other possible reasons i've left out feel free to post them.

[jambo372]

PS The convex mirror was very attractive.

[jambo372]

Or perhaps skeptics don't like convex mirrors.

[Correa Neto]

Or they just think this is all BS, just like me...

[apoger]

Why do mediums use security convex mirrors?

Probably the same reason that everyone uses mirrors.
They felt the need to watch something.


Recently this faithful mirror was removed and replaced by a plain rectangular screw on to the wall mirror. Why might this have been ?

Same reason that anyone else replaces a mirror.
It was no longer fulfilling it's purpose.


Why do mediums drink so much water during demonstrations :

Same reason that most people drink.
Thirsty.


A lovely electronic fan is also placed by the platform from March til August but this is replaced by two portable radiators in colder months.

What does this have to do with anything? Outside of creating a comfortable indoor environment?


This entire line of questioning seems pointless.
Where are you going with it?

[jambo372]

There was nothing wrong with the beautiful convex mirror unless of course it was damaged by the fire.

[KelvinG]

Have you bothered to ask around your church and see if anyone knows why the convex mirror was replaced?
I don't think anyone here is going to have an answer.

[jambo372]

Everyone knew the convex mirror was there - only some mediums actually used the mirror.
I could ask why the convex mirror was removed.

That's not the main question but .

Why do mediums actually require any type of mirror nevermind a circular convex security mirror ?

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by jambo372
Everyone knew the convex mirror was there - only some mediums actually used the mirror.
I could ask why the convex mirror was removed.

That's not the main question but .

Why do mediums actually require any type of mirror nevermind a circular convex security mirror ?

Well, I can see why they would need a normal mirror. If they are about to go in front of an audience, they might want to review their appearance before they go out.
Y'know, they might have a booger in their nose or nasty cowlink.

As for the convex mirror, that does seem a little odd. I have no answer.

You might have to do some detective work if you really want some answers. Find out when the convex mirror was put in the room and see if there was a particular reason or put there by request of a certain person.

[jambo372]

Couldn't they see facial imperfections in that truthful old convex mirror ?

[Zep]

To cast their vision more widely!! ;)

[apoger]

Everyone knew the convex mirror was there - only some mediums actually used the mirror.

So you know that some used it and some did not... but you can't say why? How do you know that it was used by some (and not others) in the first place?


I could ask why the convex mirror was removed.

As opposed to asking us, a bunch of strangers that are unrelated to the issue? Yes that would seem like a better way to garner information.

I had (apparently wrongly) assumed that you knew the answer when asking the question. You see... the question makes little sense otherwise.


Why do mediums actually require any type of mirror nevermind a circular convex security mirror ?

According to you SOME mediums don't require the mirror.
Furthermore according to you it does not have to be a "circular convex security mirror " since that mirror was replaced by an ordinary one.

So we are down to: Why do some mediums sometimes use either a convex or flat mirror?

ANSWER:
I'd suspect that mediums use the mirror to gather information about whatever they are viewing.

[jambo372]

What are they viewing ?

[jambo372]

How can you gather information with a mirror ?

[apoger]

Why are you asking these silly questions?

[Azrael 5]

This must rate as the most pointless thread ever!

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by jambo372
Couldn't they see facial imperfections in that truthful old convex mirror ?

Not really. Such mirrors distort the face because of their huge field of vision. They would be pretty lousy for that reason.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
This must rate as the most pointless thread ever!

And for some reason that is what's making it enjoyable!

[jambo372]

I want a convex mirror installed for christmas !!!:wow2:

[apoger]

I want a convex mirror installed for christmas !!!

Santa only brings you presents if you have been good.

[Azrael 5]

Its no stretch of the imagination for Jambo to believe in Santa,I expect.He believes in mediums after all..........:p

[Sanamas]

Wow. I'd say Jambo has gone off the deep end, but he already took that dive a long time ago. So right now I think he's gotten his nose stuck at the grate on the bottom of the pool.

[TheBoyPaj]

Jambo's clearly trying to get us all speculating about how these things could be used by mediums to commit fraud. How frustrating it must be that no one's biting.

[Soapy Sam]

I'll take a guess.

Jambo pinched the mirror to build a 15" Newtonian reflecting telescopefor the local astrology club.

He replaced it with a piece of slate. mediums who can see their reflection in the slate are possessed of second sight and are OK.

Any medium who requires a mirror is de facto, a faker.


Isn't there a superstition about witches never getting between two mirrors?

Anyway, what's this about a fire?

[Dr Adequate]

jambo's local Church Of The Sacred Bent Spoon burnt down. He claims arson by sceptics and has, of course, no evidence for this view. But it seems to bring him comfort.

[Ashles]

The answer is...

Don't post new threads when you're drunk.

[The Mighty Thor]

What is "the tabor formulation?" Some kind of incantation?

[Diogenes]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
Jambo's clearly trying to get us all speculating about how these things could be used by mediums to commit fraud. How frustrating it must be that no one's biting.

Ah Hah ! The Clues mount up..

Someone suggested that the mediums were using the convex mirror to commit fraud, so they took the hint and replaced it with a regular mirror..

Now, no one suspects a thing!

[jambo372]

Why would a convex mirror be useful for fraudulent mediumship ?

The tabor formulation is an exercise in meditation which many psychics feel prepares them for work eg mediumship, clairvoyance and psychokinesis.

[KelvinG]

jambo372, why don't you find out why the mirror was replaced and get back to us.
Until you can understand the motivation behind replacing it, how can you speculate on why it was done.

How is anyone here supposed to know why it was replaced?

[hgc]

My 5 year old nephew asks why, why, why in a continuous stream of follow-up questions. But then he's 5 years old. What's jambo's excuse?

[Soapy Sam]

His previous incarnation was five years old?

' tis but a jamboid wind up.

[Goshawk]

Well, just on the off-chance that Jambo's looking for an actual answer to his question...

There is only one reason people install convex security mirrors, and that is in order to see around corners, or to see behind something. Obviously at some point in the past somebody felt a need, while standing in that one particular spot, to see around a corner, or to see behind something, and installed that mirror. And then the need passed, and the mirror, being expensive and more useful somewhere else, was taken down, and a regular mirror put up, probably so people wouldn't ask, "Hey, where'd the mirror go?" because to most people, a mirror is a mirror. They'd notice if a mirror was completely missing, but not if one type of mirror was replaced by another type.

And as to why mediums drink so much water--(a) it's a diversionary tactic, similar to the stage magician's technique of waving his magic wand and chanting "hocus pocus!" to grab your attention while he shifts things with his other hand, and (b) it's a stalling tactic, to give the medium time to think.

[JPK]

Good evening Goshawk.

Originally posted by Goshawk
Well, just on the off-chance that Jambo's looking for an actual answer to his question...

There is only one reason people install convex security mirrors, and that is in order to see around corners, or to see behind something. Obviously at some point in the past somebody felt a need, while standing in that one particular spot, to see around a corner, or to see behind something, and installed that mirror. And then the need passed, and the mirror, being expensive and more useful somewhere else, was taken down, and a regular mirror put up, probably so people wouldn't ask, "Hey, where'd the mirror go?" because to most people, a mirror is a mirror. They'd notice if a mirror was completely missing, but not if one type of mirror was replaced by another type.

And as to why mediums drink so much water--(a) it's a diversionary tactic, similar to the stage magician's technique of waving his magic wand and chanting "hocus pocus!" to grab your attention while he shifts things with his other hand, and (b) it's a stalling tactic, to give the medium time to think.
Looks like nail on head with this post. Only thing I might add is that a convex type security mirror served more as a deterant then a source on info. Just look at one. The distortion factor doesn't give detailed info. It might alert someone to a person coming or present in an area but little detail. A regular mirror gives a clearer picture. Without knowing the location of this mirror it is impossible to know it's intent.

JPK

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
There was nothing wrong with the beautiful convex mirror unless of course it was damaged by the fire.

........you don't know? Why not? I thought the building burned down?

Just how damaged was the building by this fire, supposedly by skeptics (but you never showed any evidence of that, or even that there was a fire)?

Does anyone think I will get a straight answer?

[Anders]

Originally posted by Ashles
The answer is...

Don't post new threads when you're drunk.
When I'm drunk, I can't even start the computer!

...Now...where is that bottle.....

[Diogenes]

Originally posted by jambo372
Why would a convex mirror be useful for fraudulent mediumship ?

Or genuine mediumship for that matter? :confused:

I really want to know.

Reminder: You started this.

[The Mighty Thor]

This thread belongs in "the Twilight Zone".

Now the simple artifacts of this church are being elevated to Holy Relic status. The missing mirror has become an object of mental worship to jambo:

"PS The convex mirror was very attractive."
And is desired:
" I want a convex mirror installed for christmas !!"

The water jug and glasses are "tasteful" and "attractive":

"from a tasteful jug into blue tumblers"
"The jug is attractive."

This is obviously the Holy Grail of Coatbridge, the mystical chalice of spiritualism, the fount of Wisdom.

Even an electric fan can be "lovely".

In the real world, of course, the grotty mirror was probably a gift. No doubt mediums used it because they don't like people sneaking up behind them when they are doing the tabor thing -- or, as we sceptics would say, "swatting up on gathered information from the blue book".

Or else, somebody was pilfering the donations and someone put a security mirror in to catch them. Or they were trying to catch a "firestarter" in their midst. Who knows?

Mediums probably drink a lot of water because people who are telling lies and are afraid of being caught tend to get dry mouths. Some politicians drink a lot of water during speeches, too:D

In ancient times they used "Trial by red-hot knife" to detect liars. The theory was that the truthful folk would not be burned when the knife was placed on their tongues for a second, because of saliva. The liar's tongue, being dry, would be burned.

Of course, with fear of the trial, the liar would often confess before the trial was actually applied.

I still think jambo has bad visual problems. It must be the hole in his eye.

[Ashles]

HE HAS NO HOLES IN HIS EYES!

And he also doesn't have Wicket Cornea, Tapering Cones, Caged Eyelids, Phantom Ruminous, Blasted Iris, Mojo Jojo, or any other made-up optical defects.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Anders
When I'm drunk, I can't even start the computer!

...Now...where is that bottle.....

I shall refrain from making remarks about drunk Swedes... ;)

[jambo372]

Ashles
Hole in the eye is a medically recognised condition which I do NOT have ( I don't know the medical terminology for it ), but I know someone who had it after accidentally poking their eye with a toothbrush and recieved an operation to correct the problem.

CF Larsen
The fire damaged mainly one side of the building and the roof - the convex mirror may well have survived the blaze as it was installed in a room on the opposite side of the church.

[Pragmatist]

Originally posted by jambo372
Ashles
Hole in the eye is a medically recognised condition which I do NOT have ( I don't know the medical terminology for it ), but I know someone who had it after accidentally poking their eye with a toothbrush and recieved an operation to correct the problem.

If they didn't know that a toothbrush was not designed to be applied to the eye, I imagine the operation in question was a brain transplant? :)

[Sanamas]

Does this link talk about what you meant with a hole in the eye?

http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningAboutVision/EyeFacts/EyeTrauma.shtml


As for the original topic, now that I think I understand what you meant, perhaps the water is to satiate the spirits while they're within the medium? Some of them must be quite parched, having not had a drink for decades or centuries.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
The fire damaged mainly one side of the building and the roof - the convex mirror may well have survived the blaze as it was installed in a room on the opposite side of the church.

This does not sound like arson at all.

Does the Church take up the whole building?

[Ashles]

Hole in the eye is a medically recognised condition which I do NOT have ( I don't know the medical terminology for it ), but I know someone who had it after accidentally poking their eye with a toothbrush and recieved an operation to correct the problem.
So let me get this straight once and for all.

'Hole in the eye' is a medical condition. It consists of having stuck something in your eye and making a hole in it?
So it is in many ways a similar condition to 'hole in the leg', or 'hole in the hand' or 'hole in the sock'?

And you needed to go to an optician to check whether you had stuck something in your eye and made a hole in it?

And your friend had this from using a toothbrush, not dentally (as is more common) but optically?


Thank you Jambo.
Laughter - the best medicine.

[jambo372]

Of course it takes up the whole building ... it's not some little nicotine stained cundy hole in a pub cellar.

[The Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by Ashles
So let me get this straight once and for all.

'Hole in the eye' is a medical condition. It consists of having stuck something in your eye and making a hole in it?
So it is in many ways a similar condition to 'hole in the leg', or 'hole in the hand' or 'hole in the sock'?

And you needed to go to an optician to check whether you had stuck something in your eye and made a hole in it?

And your friend had this from using a toothbrush, not dentally (as is more common) but optically?


Thank you Jambo.
Laughter - the best medicine.

If you didn't laugh, you'd have to cry.

:dl:

[Goshawk]

Well, again, just on the off-chance that Jambo's looking for an actual answer, and upon going back and re-reading the OP more carefully, I can think of one stupendously obvious reason why the medium would want a convex mirror installed as described.
We have a little room in the back of the Spiritualist Church where the medium(s) go before they go up onto the platform to demonstrate spirit communication.

Up until recently there was a silver rimmed circular convex mirror resembling a satelite dish in the corner of the room. Why do mediums use security convex mirrors?
So the medium can stand there facing away from the door, pretending to "focus", to "gather his resources", and can still see behind him to where an assistant is standing unobtrusively in the doorway, or even out in the hallway. And the assistant can give him a cue for "showtime", and the medium can pretend that the spirits "told" him it was time to go on, he just "felt" it somehow.

[jambo372]

The medium(s) already know when to start anyway.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
The medium(s) already know when to start anyway.
Yes,thanks to a wonderful invention called a watch!:p