30C

[Johnny Pneumatic]

This is more of a technical question than about homeopathy. Homeopathic remedies are supposed to be diluted to 30C. How is this possible short of putting a drop of whatever chemical into an ocean sized amount of water. Second question is for the homeopaths. If you dilute stuff to such a degree that not even one molecule of the original chemical remains; what guarantee do I have that you aren't just putting distilled water that wasn't used to dilute anything in tiny bottles?

[geni]

To make up 30C you put 1cm³ into 100cm³ of water and repeat this 30 times. Total water used is then 3000cm³ wich is not very much.

[rppa]

Originally posted by SkepticJ
If you dilute stuff to such a degree that not even one molecule of the original chemical remains; what guarantee do I have that you aren't just putting distilled water that wasn't used to dilute anything in tiny bottles?

See the endless silly argument with Kumar in the "Corresponding Energies..." thread. I gather the idea is that the "active substance" magically imbues the water with some property in the process of mixing, and that every time you dilute 100x and mix again you are actually magically ENHANCING this magic property.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by SkepticJ
Second question is for the homeopaths. If you dilute stuff to such a degree that not even one molecule of the original chemical remains; what guarantee do I have that you aren't just putting distilled water that wasn't used to dilute anything in tiny bottles? Go over to H'pathy and ask that. Shortest route to banning known to mankind (or penguinkind).

By the way, we worked out on another thread that 1kg of sugar in the sea is well under 30C - possibly about 10C though that's a guess. Anyway, I think it was one molecule in 10ml.

Rolfe.

[Dr. Imago]

Originally posted by geni
To make up 30C you put 1cm³ into 100cm³ of water and repeat this 30 times. Total water used is then 3000cm³ wich is not very much.

Right principle, but you shouldn't use that much water. Why ruin and render dangerous all that quality H₂O!! Oh wait! I forgot. It's not dangerous until it gets more diluted!! How silly of me.

Carry on.

:D

-TT

[Soapy Sam]

Quickie-

A one litre bottle of red wine is exactly half full. (500cc)
A one litre bottle of white is also half full.

Pour 30cc of red into the white.
Shake well. Succuss 100 times.
Pour 30cc of the mixture into the red wine.

Question.
Which concentration is higher- The concentration of red wine in the white bottle, or the concentration of white in the red bottle?

You have two minutes. No conferring.

[Dr. Imago]

huh... huh... he said 'succuss'... hu-huh.. hu-hu-huh..

http://www.kidbiz.org/periodicgenius/Celebrity/images/butthead.gif

[Bruce]

I prefer to dilute my water. The stuff you buy from the store is far to concentrated.

[Eos of the Eons]

Yes, water diluted with alcohol is a great thirst quencher :D

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Yes, water diluted with alcohol is a great thirst quencher :D

Aw. You killed my joke. You were supposed to ask, "But what do you dilute it with, Bruce?" :(

[Eos of the Eons]

Sorry man.

I was thinking though, in order to be as ignorant as the homeopaths one could say they dilute water with....water!

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, that's instant water. Just add water.

Hans

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by geni
To make up 30C you put 1cm³ into 100cm³ of water and repeat this 30 times. Total water used is then 3000cm³ wich is not very much.

Not forgetting though that this implies a spurious level of accuracy. Clearly errors propagate through this to an enormous degree, so that if homeopath worked and teh potency of the remedies really mattered, the remedy you actually take could differ wildly from what it says on the bottle. This is another one of those internal contradictions that allows you to use homeopathy's own methods to break it from the inside without all the bother of clinical trials.

I think I'm right in saying that some remedies are prepared just by emptying out the diluent and adding more on the assumption that the right dilution is achieved. geni, the expert, may know if these are subject to a different terminology.

[geni]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
I think I'm right in saying that some remedies are prepared just by emptying out the diluent and adding more on the assumption that the right dilution is achieved. geni, the expert, may know if these are subject to a different terminology.

It's true. these are sometimes refered to K potencies and are normaly considered to be equiverlkant to C. When I've made up remedies myself this is the method I have used.

[Drooper]

Originally posted by SkepticJ
what guarantee do I have that you aren't just putting distilled water that wasn't used to dilute anything in tiny bottles?

You might in fact get just that.

Apparently homeopathic remedies can also be made by bringing distilled water to some proximity with a "properly succussed" remedy.

I am in no doubt that some homeopaths somewhere disagree, but I have seen this espoused in numerous homeopathic references and fora.

[MRC_Hans]

That is called dubbing. It also works with lactose pills. When the bottle is almost empty, you just top up with blank tablets and leave them for a while, then the remedy effect rubs off on the blank tablets, and presto, you have a new full glass of medicine.

No, I'm not joking; this is considered a valid procedure by many homeopaths. In fact in a recent discussion on one of the h forums (I can't seem to find it right now) the only serious concerns seemed to be that potency might become imprecise (as if it was ever precise :rolleyes: ), and that remedy producers might go out of business :nope:.

Hans

[Dr. Imago]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Yeah, that's instant water. Just add water.

Hans

I'm just waiting until someone claims they've invented powdered water.

Oh wait... that would be snow.

-TT

[Drooper]

[evil woo woo entrepeneur]
I see a marketing opportunity here. Concentrated, dehydrated water.

Available in silver sachets, ideal for camping, cuts down on the weight of carrying extra water.

Simply open the sachet carefully (dehydrated particles are so fine the could escape easily. Add 500ml of water to obtain the equivalent of 1000ml of water.

It may still only look like 500 ml of water, but it has all the hydrating properties of 1000ml. It's all about quantum physics.

[/evil woo woo entrepeneur]

[MRC_Hans]

I think you need more woo lingo. "Dehydrated water" is too obvious. "Water essence" is better, and a few references to "Super soaker" research, you know the stuff that can absorb a hundred times its dry volume in water. Not relevant at all, but it looks impressive....

Hans

[geni]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
That is called dubbing. It also works with lactose pills. When the bottle is almost empty, you just top up with blank tablets and leave them for a while, then the remedy effect rubs off on the blank tablets, and presto, you have a new full glass of medicine.


Sometimes you are4 meant to add a drop of water and call it cloneing.

[geni]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
I think you need more woo lingo. "Dehydrated water" is too obvious. "Water essence" is better, and a few references to "Super soaker" research, you know the stuff that can absorb a hundred times its dry volume in water. Not relevant at all, but it looks impressive....

Hans

Not scifi sounding enough. How about inverse spin water.

[MRC_Hans]

Was the term cloning? Maybe ... cannot find that either.

Inverse spin? Yeah not bad. Pity "imploded water" is already taken....

Hans

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
That is called dubbing.

In the discussion I saw it was called "grafting". Is this a synonym, something different from grafting, or just evidence of your faulty memory? ;)

[Dragon]

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[Drooper]

Originally posted by Dragon
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Now, $18 or $24 may look expensive for a 16oz. bottle, but that is the concentrated form - you dilute it before you drink it!
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[Diamond]

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[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
In the discussion I saw it was called "grafting". Is this a synonym, something different from grafting, or just evidence of your faulty memory? ;) The latter, I'm afraid :o . Grafting is the word. And the tread is here. (http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=3412&highlight=grafting)

Thanks.

Hans

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by Soapy Sam
Quickie-

A one litre bottle of red wine is exactly half full. (500cc)
A one litre bottle of white is also half full.

Pour 30cc of red into the white.
Shake well. Succuss 100 times.
Pour 30cc of the mixture into the red wine.

Question.
Which concentration is higher- The concentration of red wine in the white bottle, or the concentration of white in the red bottle?

You have two minutes. No conferring.

Hmm, this bottle of cheap champagne has a red label on it that says "Succussion may cause severe injury". Is that the right answer?

[scribble]

Originally posted by Dragon
[B]You're all too late!
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Process for treating solid carbonaceous fossil fuels and the products thus prepared


Sweet Jesus, that water is COAL!

Or else the patent has absolutely nothing to do with the product...

Or else he's SELLING the sulfurous, calcinated, magnesium-laced water he was previously using to treat coal and peat moss with. Eeew.

[exarch]

Originally posted by scribble
Or else he's SELLING the sulfurous, calcinated, magnesium-laced water he was previously using to treat coal and peat moss with. Eeew.I wouldn't even be surprised :rolleyes:

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

So is it immoral to buy a bottle of homeopathic medicine and then simply graft all you need for the rest of your life? In other words, is water memory copyrighted?

~~ Paul

[Dr. Imago]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
So is it immoral to buy a bottle of homeopathic medicine and then simply graft all you need for the rest of your life? In other words, is water memory copyrighted?

~~ Paul

Paul, now you know better! The more you dilute it, the more potent it gets. So, if you do this, your home-grafted concoction will get to the point that it is too dangerous to even keep around the house. I mean, could you imagine if a small child got ahold of your homemade dilution??!?!? You'd never forgive yourself!

-TT

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
So is it immoral to buy a bottle of homeopathic medicine and then simply graft all you need for the rest of your life? In other words, is water memory copyrighted?

~~ Paul

I believe the thread at otherhealth included a cry to "support the pharmacies", though why they should need our charity was not made clear.

Edited to add: No that's not right. I can see why they would need charity. What depresses me is that anyone thinks that those crooks deserve charity.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Go over to H'pathy and ask that. Shortest route to banning known to mankind (or penguinkind).

By the way, we worked out on another thread that 1kg of sugar in the sea is well under 30C - possibly about 10C though that's a guess. Anyway, I think it was one molecule in 10ml.

Rolfe.

I have never paid too much attention to homeopathy since it seems so silly one can't really debate it, but I have wondered a bit why they don't just drink distilled water and call it that since, by their definitions, every water molecule on the planet must already have been "diluted" by every cure known to man, not to mention all the undiscovered ones?

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by Elind
I have never paid too much attention to homeopathy since it seems so silly one can't really debate it...

Hey, you've seen the debates with homeopaths around here haven't you. The thing that stands out most is their justifications. Psuedoscience galore and a healthy dose of, well, dumb...? Or is it simply denial? is all you need to believe and debate against the "skeptics".

[Elind]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Hey, you've seen the debates with homeopaths around here haven't you.

Actually no. You mean they come here to "debate"?

What on earth brings them to this forum; perhaps they are 1inChrist in disguise?

[geni]

Originally posted by Elind
Actually no. You mean they come here to "debate"?

What on earth brings them to this forum; perhaps they are 1inChrist in disguise?

I think it has something to do with us visting their forum. For the most part we have been banned but we were a perminant fixture for a while.

[Elind]

Originally posted by geni
I think it has something to do with us visting their forum. For the most part we have been banned but we were a perminant fixture for a while.

What is their forum? I'll see how fast I can get banned.

[geni]

Originally posted by Elind
What is their forum? I'll see how fast I can get banned.


The record is one post so I wouldn't bother


www.hpathy.com

[Eos of the Eons]

Well, if you do bother then don't use your name from here. Don't ask any of those questions.

You can ask what you can use for this or that problem. Tell them it worked, and that they are geniuses. Then ask a question...see if they ban you outtright after.

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by Elind
Actually no. You mean they come here to "debate"?

What on earth brings them to this forum; perhaps they are 1inChrist in disguise?


Nope, not 1inC, try looking at anything Kumar posts in. Then do a search for "homeopathy" and look through the threads. It will blow your mind. Hmm...


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=48390

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

The only way to have fun at Hpathy is be a more true believer than they are and lead them up the garden path courtesy of their own idiocies: just playing with the logically necessary consequences of their own beliefs is enought to give a fair amount of entertainment. I have given up with trying to make them think for themselves so now I just get them to tie themselves in knots and show off the results.

e.g. http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=2455&PN=1&TPN=3

Now, what is going on there? Who is a true woo and who is just there to make them look stupid?

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Now, what is going on there? Who is a true woo and who is just there to make them look stupid?Exactly what I was wondering! :D

Elind, the main homoeopathy proponents around here are Barbrae (a.k.a. Phil63), Sarah-I (a.k.a. Homeoskeptic and Corallinus) and a poster known as Xanta at H'pathy who has been here as Gold, Olaf and QII (renamed Olaf/QII by the mods at one point). This history of sockpuppetry might say something by itself (Barbrae wasn't a deliberate sock, it was a response to the forum locking out Phil63 in a crash, but the rest is shameless trolling).

Anyway, search for posts by any or all of these usernames and you'll get something of a flavour of what has gone on at various times.

Rolfe.

[exarch]

Originally posted by geni
The record is one post so I wouldn't bother


www.hpathy.comI'd like to thank Benguin for starting that topic by the way. The thread on which it happened is in my sig. My response, using the ID "Randi's Million" was something very innocent like: "Oh really? Care to prove that?". Got me banned in under 30 minutes, AND the thread deleted. See if you can beat that ;)

Edited to add: I think NaturalHealth is also expected to be the same person as Sarah-I/Homeoskeptic/Coralinnus/...

[Elind]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Well, if you do bother then don't use your name from here. Don't ask any of those questions.

You can ask what you can use for this or that problem. Tell them it worked, and that they are geniuses. Then ask a question...see if they ban you outtright after.

:cool: OkyDoky

And thanks for the other advice(s) too.

I'm not a good troll, but maybe this would be an honest way to practice.

;)

[Elind]

So much for that little diversion to hpathy.com.

Upon reading that they have a cure for AIDS, but haven't cured everyone, I withdrew in disgust.

However in their defense, most of them seem to be from Pakistan or India (see, peace is possible) where, in spite of many talented call center professionals, programmers and a few unprincipled nuclear scientists, superstition reigns.

I'm sure if one wastes more time with this drivel one will also find a strong connection between homeopathy and astrology in this group; but I'd be more interested to see what the western believers are like.

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Elind

I'm sure if one wastes more time with this drivel one will also find a strong connection between homeopathy and astrology in this group; but I'd be more interested to see what the western believers are like.

Oh, yes. At various times I have seen astrological signs being cited as features relevant for choosing certain remedies, though ironically this has been more from flakey Americans and Brits than from Indians.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
Oh, yes. At various times I have seen astrological signs being cited as features relevant for choosing certain remedies, though ironically this has been more from flakey Americans and Brits than from Indians. What about "Mars attacks"! I'm not sure I can still find that thread, but wasn't it a Pakistani who declared that the close approach of Mars last year would inactivate homoeopathic remedies, so they should all be protected? How, I can't off-hand remember.

I do remember that the first respondent was Kumar, who gushed that this was such important information and everybody should be careful to protect. Someone else then called him an idiot.

Rolfe.

[Carn]

Originally posted by SkepticJ
what guarantee do I have that you aren't just putting distilled water that wasn't used to dilute anything in tiny bottles?

I think in some countries, there might be some safety measures.

I discussed this recently with a friend, who has studied pharmacy.
According to him at least big producers of homeopathic remedies have to guarantee, that the remedies are produced according to homeopathy(i do not know which version) and are required to keep records, that every step of the procedure is working.
And also in principle, sometimes it is checked whether their machines and everything is working and that they do not fill the bottles with normal water.

So to sell untreated water as homeopathy in Germany, you have to fake some ducuments and be ready to fool inspectors of however does the inspecting, though they often announce when they come.

Funny is, that in Germany pharmacists are even required to learn and be able to produce homeopathic remedies themselves, my friend realy hated learning that.

Carn

[Elind]

Originally posted by Rolfe

I do remember that the first respondent was Kumar, who gushed that this was such important information and everybody should be careful to protect. Someone else then called him an idiot.

Rolfe.

I've read a few of the Kumar posts, but I'm a bit confused as to his existence in view of the responses that he typically gets, and still comes back for more. Is he for real or a troll?

[Elind]

Originally posted by Carn
I think in some countries, there might be some safety measures.

I discussed this recently with a friend, who has studied pharmacy.
According to him at least big producers of homeopathic remedies have to guarantee, that the remedies are produced according to homeopathy(i do not know which version) and are required to keep records, that every step of the procedure is working.
And also in principle, sometimes it is checked whether their machines and everything is working and that they do not fill the bottles with normal water.


But how can that be verified if it's impossible to detect anything in the water, except by curing someone? :confused:

In other words, everything is based soley on trust?

[Carn]

Originally posted by Elind
But how can that be verified if it's impossible to detect anything in the water, except by curing someone? :confused:

In other words, everything is based soley on trust?

Sorry, you misunderstood me, the checking is done, by going to the lab or whatever and look were the water bottles come from. If they come from some people or machines, which are constantly shaking or diluting water, then its ok, if they are just filled with water and go to sell, then something is wrong and the firm will get legal problems, though i do not know how serious.

If a corp knows, when some visitors come and can fake the production fast enough and otherwise fakes those documents(do not know exactly what it is, something like "the water in the bottles in this box have been prepared to homeopathic principles,... signed..."), then the corp is free to sell water.

Also there is/was(do not know if they changed this with the last reform) a law in Germany, "Arzneimittelgesetz" (German Medicines Law), that states, that 3 groups of treatment, among them homeopathy, do not have to be checked for their effectiveness.

Furthermore there is a homeopathic pharmacopoeia, that is compiled by commision, which is led by president of the federal health office, who in his normal function is responsible for normal medicines. This homeopathic pharmacopoeia defines how homeopathic products have to be produced, distributed,... and also states that all homeopathic medicines have a shelf-life of 5 years(i do not know, how they got to know that).

You see, Hahnemann was born here, homeopathy is legally protected, but therefore of course also slightly checked.

Carn

(Article from german sceptic about contradiction of physics and homeopathy at http://www.gwup.org/skeptiker/archiv/2001/3/homoeopathie.html.
Would be something for Kumar, but it is in german.
It also explains the legal status of homeopathy in germany.)

[Elind]

Originally posted by Carn
Sorry, you misunderstood me, the checking is done, by going to the lab or whatever and look were the water bottles come from. If they come from some people or machines, which are constantly shaking or diluting water, then its ok, if they are just filled with water and go to sell, then something is wrong and the firm will get legal problems, though i do not know how serious.



...Still sounds like mumbo jumbo that translates to trust. For "alternative medicines" that claim to be something specific, whether it works or not, one can check the contets by chemical or other tests. In the case of homeopathic water there is (at least in high dilutions) nothing there to begin with.

I'm amazed that the Germans tolerate this through government recognition when I believe they are quite harsh on people like faith healers, for example, who also work by magic.

[Carn]

Originally posted by Elind
...Still sounds like mumbo jumbo that translates to trust. For "alternative medicines" that claim to be something specific, whether it works or not, one can check the contets by chemical or other tests. In the case of homeopathic water there is (at least in high dilutions) nothing there to begin with.

I'm amazed that the Germans tolerate this through government recognition when I believe they are quite harsh on people like faith healers, for example, who also work by magic.

I do not claim that its not mumbo jumbo, i just say, that you cannot just fill a bottle with water and sell it as homeopathy without risk, if there would be no laws you could always weasle out, by claiming your water has the same effect as homeopathic remedy, then the other side faces the problem to disprove this.

What laws are there against faith healers in Germany?
AFAIK general health insurance does not pay for them and if a faith healer convinces a patient to stop conventional treatment, patient dies and then experts come and say he would have lived with the right treatment, faith healer is in trouble, but i thought that was in most modern countries that way.

Carn

[Elind]

Originally posted by Carn
I do not claim that its not mumbo jumbo, i just say, that you cannot just fill a bottle with water and sell it as homeopathy without risk, if there would be no laws you could always weasle out, by claiming your water has the same effect as homeopathic remedy, then the other side faces the problem to disprove this.

What laws are there against faith healers in Germany?
AFAIK general health insurance does not pay for them and if a faith healer convinces a patient to stop conventional treatment, patient dies and then experts come and say he would have lived with the right treatment, faith healer is in trouble, but i thought that was in most modern countries that way.

Carn

But they DO just fill a bottle with water if they claim a dilution to 30C or whatever...don't they?

I believe there have been some of those American faith healers kicked out for practicing medicine without a license. I thought it was Germany, but I could be wrong.

As to most countries, I don't think anyone has been in trouble in the US for doing that except in a few cases with children. Adults can kill themselves this way if they wish.

[Carn]

Originally posted by Elind
But they DO just fill a bottle with water if they claim a dilution to 30C or whatever...don't they?

As to most countries, I don't think anyone has been in trouble in the US for doing that except in a few cases with children. Adults can kill themselves this way if they wish.

AFAIK its just shaken water.

With children certainly, but i think in Germany health care is very regulated and you need some sort of job training before allowed to tell any patient how to kill himself(=avoid efficient treatment) and even then there might be limits, especially if you keep information of how effective science thinks your treatments are and how effective the conventional treatment is said to be.

Carn

[exarch]

Originally posted by Carn
I do not claim that its not mumbo jumbo, i just say, that you cannot just fill a bottle with water and sell it as homeopathy without risk, if there would be no laws you could always weasle out, by claiming your water has the same effect as homeopathic remedy, then the other side faces the problem to disprove this.Interesting idea. It's alternative homeopathy. Works just like normal homeopathy, only it's much cheaper. Nobody could ever prove otherwise :D

[Elind]

Originally posted by Carn
AFAIK its just shaken water.

With children certainly, but i think in Germany health care is very regulated and you need some sort of job training before allowed to tell any patient how to kill himself(=avoid efficient treatment) and even then there might be limits, especially if you keep information of how effective science thinks your treatments are and how effective the conventional treatment is said to be.

Carn



But I thought you said that in Germany homeopathy IS approved and licensed? So how do they regulate something that can't be shown to work? Will they license/regulate anything on request?

PS What's AFAIK?

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Elind
So how do they regulate something that can't be shown to work?They're not regulating the outcome, they're regulating the process.

So long as the product is genuinely manufactured according to the prescribed method, that's all they care about. Ask Prester John about quality control of the finished product. (I don't think there is any - conceivably there could be safety checks, like checking for sterility; what they obviously don't have is checking for efficacy.)

Rolfe.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Rolfe
They're not regulating the outcome, they're regulating the process.

So long as the product is genuinely manufactured according to the prescribed method, that's all they care about. Ask Prester John about quality control of the finished product. (I don't think there is any - conceivably there could be safety checks, like checking for sterility; what they obviously don't have is checking for efficacy.)

Rolfe.

That's ridiculous. A process has to lead to an outcome if it has any meaning. They might as well "regulate" the saying of a prayer over the water, if that's what the proponents said was necessary.

[MRC_Hans]

Yes, it is ridiculous. But that is how it is. At least it ensures that they don't put any funny stuff into it. Lots of "alternative" meds from certain parts of the world (e.g. China) have antibiotics and/or hydrocortizons added to them. So when users report that the stuff works, they may actually be right, but .. :eek:.

Hans

[Elind]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Yes, it is ridiculous. But that is how it is. At least it ensures that they don't put any funny stuff into it. Lots of "alternative" meds from certain parts of the world (e.g. China) have antibiotics and/or hydrocortizons added to them. So when users report that the stuff works, they may actually be right, but .. :eek:.

Hans

Make sure the children are only playing with fake matches? Makes some sense I guess.

:(

[exarch]

Originally posted by Elind
But I thought you said that in Germany homeopathy IS approved and licensed? So how do they regulate something that can't be shown to work? Will they license/regulate anything on request?Apparently, yes. This is the thing about quality control: you set your own quality requirements, and for those quality requirements, you have to follow the standards, but if efficacy isn't one of your quality requirements, you don't have to check for it.

PS What's AFAIK?As far as I know ...

[Elind]

Originally posted by exarch
AFAIK - As far as I know ...

I should spend more time on IM :)

[exarch]

You may also encounter some other specific abbreviations here (somebody probably already made a list somewhere), including (but not limited to):

QM (quantum mechanics)
sCAM (complementary & alternative medicine)
TLOP (the laws of physics)
etc...

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by Elind
So much for that little diversion to hpathy.com.

Upon reading that they have a cure for AIDS, but haven't cured everyone, I withdrew in disgust.

I'm sure if one wastes more time with this drivel one will also find a strong connection between homeopathy and astrology in this group; but I'd be more interested to see what the western believers are like.

Aww, didn't you get banned? :D
That's no fair, you didn't play the whole game.

And hey, didn't you know SCAM can cure "mongoloidism"?

Do a search at hpathetically for Down's Syndrome. See what pops up.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Aww, didn't you get banned? :D
That's no fair, you didn't play the whole game.



I can't rythmically wag my head from side to side while typing, so I couldn't get past the front gate (If you don't get that , don't ask).:p