Paranormal Ability Was Demonstrated!

[Shine Sun]

Dear all:.

First time! A paranormal ability was demonstrated! I healed up a chronic disease by the paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing, only several days were used up. Perhaps, Mr. James Randi will be delighted to hear this good news. Please help me to tell this good news to Mr. James Randi, maybe it is what Mr. James Randi has expected for a long time. Certainly, it is only a beginning. The demonstration is as follows over the forum of JingLuo and QiGong (http://www.swyy.net/bbs/jlqg):

The post of Shine Sun on 11/15/2004, at 20:30:10 :
"Today (2004/11/15)19:00-19:46, I did the Qi Connection again to you. I swept through your acantha by my Qi, especially the parts below lumbar. I felt hot and painful on my acantha, a little pain on my waist muscles. Heat is pain, pain is heat, that is the law of human body. This signified your lumbar pain was healed in some way by my QiGong. More several times like this, you will be healed over. Today, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, you will feel better. Waiting for your good news."

The post of Nan on 11/16/2004 at 21:45:21 :
"Within these days, I still feel not good on my back and waist. I still can not sleep more than 6 to 7 hours, or I will feel painful."

The post of Nan on 11/19/2004 at 17:55:35 :
"Thank you, although my waist pain was not improved greatly, but now I can lie in bed for a longer time, and the pain is more bearable than before."

The post of Shine Sun on 11/20/2004 at 00:33:31:
"I am pleased. Your waist pain will be healed over after more several times. Now, I am alreay very confident! My waist swollen feeling still exists."

The post of Nan on 11/24/2004 at 12:54:23:
"Today, I must thank you very much! This morning, I felt much better! Today, I have slept 8 to 9 hours. Within the sleep, I got up only one time. Thanks!"

Conclusion:
It is normal of sleeping for 8 to 9 hours per day. That is to say, Nan's disease was healed over by 9 days and only one time healing.

I demonstrated my paranormal ability by myself. I will apply for the paranormal challenge in coming near future.

Shine Sun, a Chinese QiGong master

[Ashles]

Yes, James Randi will be delighted at your anecdotal evidence and the useful link to an internet forum written in chinese.

I am sure he is arranging for a wire transfer of the million dollars even as we speak.

[Lothian]

Sun Shine.

I am sorry it got this far. I have a confession. I am Nan and I made it all up . I had no pain (apart from a hangover) . I trust my little joke hasn’t caused you any inconvenience,

Sorry again

NAN

[sf108]

Laugh. What is with claimant's saying "I will apply...IN THE FUTURE"? Why the future? Why not NOW? So you can go buy your Opel SV GTS V8 asap? And splurge at Armani Exchange? Why wait for money? If I had your incredible powers...I'll not only apply for Randi's Challenge, but every other challenge on offer.

Look how ShineSun gets so excited.

By the way, ShineSun, can you care to answer this question in pinyin? Ni zai ze li gan sm? Ni you yisi ma?

Thx.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Ashles
Yes, James Randi will be delighted at your anecdotal evidence and the useful link to an internet forum written in chinese.
The forum is an internet discussion board on Qi Gong. As far as I can see, there are no skeptics on there, only enthusiastic upholders of the belief in said power. FYI, the board's title reads, "Meridians and Qi Gong Board".

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun

The post of Nan on 11/24/2004 at 12:54:23:
"Today, I must thank you very much! This morning, I felt much better! Today, I have slept 8 to 9 hours. Within the sleep, I got up only one time. Thanks!"

Conclusion:
It is normal of sleeping for 8 to 9 hours per day. That is to say, Nan's disease was healed over by 9 days and only one time healing.

I demonstrated my paranormal ability by myself. I will apply for the paranormal challenge in coming near future.

Shine Sun, a Chinese QiGong master

Careful Shine Sun, i do not know, what exact disease Nan had, but chronic diseases can wax and wane over time, so it could be possible, that hi is just now in a phase where his disease is weaker.
You should wait to see, how he develops in the next weeks or months(depending on disease), because it would look bad, if you claim now you have healed him and in 4 weeks, he suffers same problem again.

Also you need to know, if natural healing is possible and how likely in case of this disease, before you can apply, because JREF will surely check such things in case of a non-DBPC test.

Carn

[CFLarsen]

Shine Sun,

Can I see Nan's medical records? Before and after, please.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Can I see Nan's medical records? Before and after, please.
How about during?

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu
How about during?

It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. I'm sure you can use that as a springboard to launch another 100+ post thread on how unfair Randi is.

Perhaps you have some other talent, like dowsing, that you can demonstrate. Otherwise, you are SOL.

[Shine Sun]

Ashles and Lothian:
Yes, James Randi will be delighted at your anecdotal evidence and the useful link to an internet forum written in chinese.
I am sorry it got this far. I have a confession. I am Nan and I made it all up . I had no pain (apart from a hangover) . I trust my little joke hasn’t caused you any inconvenience,
I will let you see just at this forum with your eyes!

sf108
What is with claimant's saying "I will apply...IN THE FUTURE"? Why the future? Why not NOW?
I want to discuss the details with Carn.

By the way, ShineSun, can you care to answer this question in pinyin? Ni zai ze li gan sm? Ni you yisi ma?
Bad pinyin, but I know your meaning. I think it is interesting. I have to say that you know Chinese well. Maybe I need your translation when I take the Prize in USA.
"Ni zai ze li gan sm?"ä½_在这里干什么? What will you do here? I want to win the money.
"Ni you yisi ma?"ä½_有æ„�æ€�å�—? Do you have something? Yes, I have something. A bad Chinese.

Kimpatsu:
the board's title reads, "Meridians and Qi Gong Board".
I did not see the title, maybe you did a wrong translation. Could you write it in Chinese? Would you like to translate my poems written in Chinese?

Carn:
chronic diseases can wax and wane over time,
Thank you for your reminding, I will follow up Nan's health.
Also you need to know, if natural healing is possible and how likely in case of this disease, before you can apply, because JREF will surely check such things in case of a non-DBPC test.
The natural healing is possible, but impossible to be so fast.

CFLarsen:
Can I see Nan's medical records? Before and after, please.
Ok, I will try. Maybe a little difficult, because I do not know where Nan lives and his real name. Moreover, I did not want to win the Prize by this time test. I will do a more convincing test just at this forum before your eyes.

Rob Lister:
It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. I'm sure you can use that as a springboard to launch another 100+ post thread on how unfair Randi is.
Important information, a bad news! Thank you for your reminding. I will claim that I can do a long distance Qi connection. This has been confirmed by Randi that it is a paranormal ability. And the disease healing will be regarded as evidence. Is it a good idea?

Thank you all!

Shine Sun

[Ashles]

I will let you see just at this forum with your eyes!
Listen Shine Sun (or Bob from Dagenham or whoever you are) we are hardly going to be convinced by what you and someone else on a forum claim has happened.

No proof for the paranormal will ever be obtained over an internet forum as the most incredible stories and events described could also be perfectly imitated by, say, any moron with a computer who can type words.

We don't even have any evidence that you and Nan aren't the same person.

This is all very silly to discuss.

Send off an application and get back to us when you have done that.

[sf108]

ShineSun, didn't I say to reply in pinyin? And not in English? We all know your English skills are flawless... *cough cough*.

And why do you have to "discuss the details with Carn"? He's not part of JREF. He's just a forum goer. If you have incredible powers, why not apply for the 1Mil challenge? That'll cover your airfares to and from the USA 1000 times over...plus you can give me a Opel/Holden HSV GTS 300kW for advising you on this. tsk tsk

[Carn]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. I'm sure you can use that as a springboard to launch another 100+ post thread on how unfair Randi is.

Perhaps you have some other talent, like dowsing, that you can demonstrate. Otherwise, you are SOL.

KRAMER wrote in another thread:
(http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45617&perpage=40&highlight=healing&pagenumber=2)
" quote:Originally posted by Carn
Why is divine healing not allowed?



I'm reviewing this with Randi today. I would suspect that JREF should accept all healing claims, divine or otherwise.

I will get back to you on this.

__________________
KRAMER,
JREF Paranormal Claims Dept.

"

" Here's the answer...

Randi agrees that "divine healing" must be accepted as a paranormal claim.

We have asked our webmaster to remove the words "divine healing" from the note at the end of the Challenge application stating what types of claims JREF would decline to test. He'll get to it at his earliest convenience. Hopefully, that will be soon.

__________________
KRAMER,
JREF Paranormal Claims Dept."

So healing is a possible claim, but i think JREF would not agree to test healing, that's only slightly better than placebo:
KRAMER:
" quote:Originally posted by Rob Lister
How would you test such a claim?



Easily: Applicant demonstrates, investigators observe.

No anecdotal "evidence" is acceptable. Only a demonstration before a team of observers will suffice.

Simple. No endless protocol negotiations, and nothing to waffle over. Just DO IT.

__________________
KRAMER,
JREF Paranormal Claims Dept.

Last edited by KRAMER on 10-13-2004 at 06:44 PM"

This implies, that the healing should be far larger than any possible natural healing, because otherwise large DBPC had to be done, with a lot of statistics, which would make succesful protocol negotiations a paranormal feature upon itself.

But this is just a guess, certainly succesfully eliminating of heavy cancer or aids in a day(=medic diagnosis yielded heavy cancer or aids on day 1 and on day 2 its no aids or cancer) would be something JREF would accept as a claim and would have protocol ideas for this.

Carn

[Shine Sun]

sf108
ShineSun, didn't I say to reply in pinyin? And not in English? We all know your English skills are flawless... *cough cough*.
Now, can you confirm that I am a Chinese? If not, I will show you some poems I wrote in Chinese that relate to QiGong.

And why do you have to "discuss the details with Carn"?
Carn has given me many good suggestions. I am a Chinese, I do not know well English, English culture and the challenge. In fact, all of you have given me great help, for example, the bad information, the challenge does not open to disease healing. How will I deal with it? A small ignoring will result in failure. I will make a draft of the application. Would you like to give any comment?

Carn:
So healing is a possible claim
Thank you very much! You gave me a great help again. I do not know how to thank you! I will read all the rules again and make a draft of the application. Please give comment when I finish it.

Moreover, I want to let Nan to see you. Indeed, he saw me, his description of what I look like is correct basically, but the tallness is not correct. Do you agree with that? Maybe, he can tell us what you look like. If true, is it interesting? A paranormal ability?

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Moreover, I want to let Nan to see you. Indeed, he saw me, his description of what I look like is correct basically, but the tallness is not correct. Do you agree with that? Maybe, he can tell us what you look like. If true, is it interesting? A paranormal ability?
I think you have sallow skin, black, straight hair, slanted almond eyes, and a flat nose.
Do I win the million?

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun


Carn:

Thank you very much! You gave me a great help again. I do not know how to thank you! I will read all the rules again and make a draft of the application. Please give comment when I finish it.

Moreover, I want to let Nan to see you. Indeed, he saw me, his description of what I look like is correct basically, but the tallness is not correct. Do you agree with that? Maybe, he can tell us what you look like. If true, is it interesting? A paranormal ability?

No problem, but keep in mind that demonstrating healing is difficult, unless its very far above what the body can achieve through natural healing.

About Nan seeing me, he is free to try so, but i see the problem(similar to your determining of diseases), if he just gives a very general description, its impossible to determine whether its hit by chance or by ability. So he should only offer a description if its at least a bit precise, with general ones, i could not say whether its a hit or not.

Carn

[Shine Sun]

I think you have sallow skin, black, straight hair, slanted almond eyes, and a flat nose.
"A flat nose" is wrong, I have a higher nose.

Carn:

Following is my draft application:
First step: I print the following quoted content on the front side of a paper:
Application for Status of Claimant This statement outlines the rules covering the offer made by this Foundation (JREF) concerning psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. Since claims vary greatly in character and scope, specific rules must be formulated for each applicant. All applicants must agree to the rules set forth herein before any formal agreement can be entered into. Completing this form is mandatory; there are no exceptions to this rule. ......IMPORTANT: Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc. JREF will also NOT test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.
Second step: I print the following quotated content on the back side of the paper:
James Randi Educational Foundation 201 S.E. 12th Street Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815 U.S.A. Notarized: I agree all the rules set forth on this paper.
Third step: I sign my signature under the notarized words. Chinese signature or English signature?

Forth step: I bring the paper to a local notary public and do notarization in Chinese or English? Maybe the notary public does not know English.

Fifth step: I mail the paper to James Randi in an envelope and some SSAE (stamped, self-addressed envelope ).

Please give comment about the procedures. Thank you!

At the end, I read the following quoted words:
Please be advised that several applicants have suffered great personal embarrassment after failing these tests. I strongly advise you to conduct proper double-blind tests of any ability you believe you can demonstrate, before attempting to undergo a testing for this prize. This has saved many applicants much time and work, by showing that the powers were quite imaginary on the part of the would-be claimant. Please do this, and do not choose to ignore the need for such a precaution. This advice is offered only so that the applicant might be spared these problems.
I am afraid a little. I think it would be better to do more tests. what is your comment?
About Nan seeing me, he is free to try so, but i see the problem(similar to your determining of diseases),
You are correct. Just as an amusement.

My own homepage is http://hie.nease.net

I am not yet restored completely. But the pain has disappeared.

Shine Sun

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
"A flat nose" is wrong, I have a higher nose.n
Compared to mine?

[Shine Sun]

Kimpatsu

Compared to mine?
I think my nose is lower than your nose. I meant my nose is higher than that of general Chinese.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
I think my nose is lower than your nose. I meant my nose is higher than that of general Chinese.
But smaller than that of Caucasians, which was my point.
This is a dumb conversation, anyway.

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun


Carn:

Following is my draft application:
First step: I print the following quoted content on the front side of a paper:

Second step: I print the following quotated content on the back side of the paper:

Third step: I sign my signature under the notarized words. Chinese signature or English signature?

Forth step: I bring the paper to a local notary public and do notarization in Chinese or English? Maybe the notary public does not know English.

Fifth step: I mail the paper to James Randi in an envelope and some SSAE (stamped, self-addressed envelope ).

Please give comment about the procedures. Thank you!


The procedure is unimportant, though i think that's what to do, except for the most important part:

What will you claim to be able to do?

As you will have to negotiate with JREF a test protocol, you should know what you can achieve. This is due to the simple reason, that JREF will try to make test cheap, easy, fast and with obvious results.

E.g. if someone claimed he is able to heal anything quickly, then JREF might suggest that he tries to regrow someone's lost leg. Then his answer could be, no i only meant diseases, not physical injuries, then JREF would suggest, fine, what about someone has more cancer than lungs and is just living, because relatives could not yet decide to turn the machines off.
Then his answer could be, no, only people who are not already lying on their deathbed.
JREF answer might be then, what the hell exactly are you claiming to be able to do?

So you should have a fair idea about what you are able to do and what you are not able to do(and should have tried) and i do not think you know that yet.

Are you able to heal yourself?
Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up? That could be even a good thing for a DBPC.


Originally posted by Shine Sun

At the end, I read the following quoted words:

I am afraid a little. I think it would be better to do more tests. what is your comment?

This has been added, because some applicants agreed to tests and were very confident they would pass. But they failed and its embarassing, if you boast with some ability and in the test, you fail to demonstrate any. This can be avoided, by personally trying a test oneself the way the JREF test would look like(simplified as far as needed). Most of those applicants that failed, could have made a simple test on their own and realized, that they would fail the test.

E.g. dowsers have applied, claiming they can find water. JREF suggested a test, where a number of painted or hidden bottles were presented to applicants and they should determine which ones had water in. The applicants were asked to say how big the chance is that they determine whether such a bottle has water in or not. Although few dowsers ever tried to dowse under such conditions, most agreed to score 90-100% of the times correct.

In the tests then they did not perform better than chance.
While this does only prove they cannot dowse for water in bottles, it shows that the applicants did not prepare in any way for the test, because a simpified test could have been done at home and they could have avoided the embarassment of totally failing.

Instead many then try to find mistakes in test protocol afterwards, which kept them from performing, and complain, which makes them even more fool, as they agreed to the protocol and they could have tested it beforehand.

Therefore try to specify as accurate as possible, what you are able to do, if you do not know what you can do, then you could fail even, if you have a paranormal ability.

Originally posted by Shine Sun

You are correct. Just as an amusement.

My own homepage is http://hie.nease.net



Looks chinese to me.

Originally posted by Shine Sun

I am not yet restored completely. But the pain has disappeared.

Shine Sun

Check, that the pain does not arise from a illness of your own body.

Carn

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
Thank you for your comment!
What will you claim to be able to do?
I will claim that I can heal chronic disease, especially for the diseases related to lumbar at a long distance. How long? anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance. Once the improvement was demonstrated by certificates of diagnossis, then I succeed, no need to be healed up completely. The point is the long distance, not the healing. The evidence is the certificate of diagnosis. I will do 10 times maximum, if no improvement, then I fail. I succeeded of healing several diseases,say 5 diseases of total 10 diseases, then I win the Prize.
Are you able to heal yourself?
not able for an old disease, able for a new disease.
Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up?
not able.
This can be avoided, by personally trying a test oneself the way the JREF test would look like(simplified as far as needed).
I think I need to do more tests. I drafted a letter as follows, please give comment.
"A letter to Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS

Dear the Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS:

A good news! Some chronic diseases related to lumbar were healed up by my paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing. How long? Anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance, and also no limit of time, anytime. You sleep in your home, I sit up in bed in my home and meditate your name about
0.5 hour. when you wake up, the disease was healed up by 1/2 maximum, and then I only need to rest for 2 weeks around. How wonderful! Incredible! But I have done the test for many times and issued 7 test reports. You can refer to them in homepage http://hie.nease.net.
I only need your authorization.
I am not sure that I can heal any disease, but some good effects may be expected, as the QiGong healing is "Body-Heal-Body", that is to say, I was healthy, then you will be healthy finally theoretically.
Please give a chance to me and yourself! I need the prize of JREF
paranormal challenge and you need health.
All are free of charge!
Sincerely!
Do not give up before failure!
Shine Sun"
Check, that the pain does not arise from a illness of your own body.
I am restored basically. I will do a test with you within these days. I remember that you wanted me to ask your spirit a question. What is the question? I want to do it if possible.

Though some more tests are necessary, may be still quickly, because some diseases can be healed up only by one time healing just like that of Nan. It wasted much time to guess the disease. No guess, directly heal, so at the same time, I will improve the draft application, please give comment when I finish it. Thank you again!

Shine Sun

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:
Thank you for your comment!

I will claim that I can heal chronic disease, especially for the diseases related to lumbar at a long distance. How long? anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance. Once the improvement was demonstrated by certificates of diagnossis, then I succeed, no need to be healed up completely. The point is the long distance, not the healing. The evidence is the certificate of diagnosis. I will do 10 times maximum, if no improvement, then I fail. I succeeded of healing several diseases,say 5 diseases of total 10 diseases, then I win the Prize.

not able for an old disease, able for a new disease.

But this might still end up with comparing a small group of patients, where you try long distance qi with a group where you do not try. After all the only sign of succesful connection would be a change in health and that can only be measured with a control group.
Might change if you could give a time limit in which the improve has to happen and this time limit is less than a day or so(health normally does not change that quickly with certain chronic diseases).

Originally posted by Shine Sun


I think I need to do more tests. I drafted a letter as follows, please give comment.
"A letter to Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS

Dear the Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS:

A good news! Some chronic diseases related to lumbar were healed up by my paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing. How long? Anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance, and also no limit of time, anytime. You sleep in your home, I sit up in bed in my home and meditate your name about
0.5 hour. when you wake up, the disease was healed up by 1/2 maximum, and then I only need to rest for 2 weeks around. How wonderful! Incredible! But I have done the test for many times and issued 7 test reports. You can refer to them in homepage http://hie.nease.net.
I only need your authorization.
I am not sure that I can heal any disease, but some good effects may be expected, as the QiGong healing is "Body-Heal-Body", that is to say, I was healthy, then you will be healthy finally theoretically.
Please give a chance to me and yourself! I need the prize of JREF
paranormal challenge and you need health.
All are free of charge!
Sincerely!
Do not give up before failure!
Shine Sun"

Do not give false hopes to ill people until you are sure you can do it!!!

Do you realy think it is already certain, that you can heal?
After all you had 2 "patients" so far, me and Nan and the health changes, that occured with me during the test, where at least for me not different from what happens normally to me and Nan could have been luck.

Please state clearly that you are still trying to find your way and can not promise anything definite, but think it might help, otherwise i think its dishonest.

And also in your description of the tests with me its missing, that there are still more tests to come and that might still change my judgement.

Originally posted by Shine Sun

I am restored basically. I will do a test with you within these days. I remember that you wanted me to ask your spirit a question. What is the question? I want to do it if possible.

Shine Sun

Do not know what my spirit can tell you.
I used a dice to create a 4 digit number(ranging from 0 to 9), that i memorized so much it comes to my mind without thinking about it. I also written it down. That would be very convincing. What 4 digit number did the dice show me?

If numbers are bad, try to question my spirit, about when, where, if, how long my first love lasted, where, if he/she still lives, how/if she/he returned my love, name, how he/she looks/looked like,....
About that my spirit should know.

Also my family, relatives, their names how many, which dead, which alive is also ok.

Choose those of the above questions you feel best to handle.
Please accept, that i will give about personal questions only a judgement how correct you are and not exactly what was wrong, after all they are personal.

Carn

[NoZed Avenger]

Originally posted by Carn
But this might still end up with comparing a small group of patients, where you try long distance qi with a group where you do not try. After all the only sign of succesful connection would be a change in health and that can only be measured with a control group.

Might change if you could give a time limit in which the improve has to happen and this time limit is less than a day or so(health normally does not change that quickly with certain chronic diseases).



I think both of these limits are important. Choosing someone with chronic pain and then sending positive energy (or whatever the specific method entails) and waiting for days or weeks until someone notes a temporary improvement would prove nothing.

IMO, you need a control group where neither the real group nor the control group knows that they have/have not been selected and a definite improvement noted within a specific time frame -- that outdoes the control group by a statistically significant measure.

[Carn]

Originally posted by NoZed Avenger
I think both of these limits are important. Choosing someone with chronic pain and then sending positive energy (or whatever the specific method entails) and waiting for days or weeks until someone notes a temporary improvement would prove nothing.

IMO, you need a control group where neither the real group nor the control group knows that they have/have not been selected and a definite improvement noted within a specific time frame -- that outdoes the control group by a statistically significant measure.

I meant the situation, where patients do not know when contact is made, just the month, where it is made and then can afterwards name the day or even better the time when contact was made, because on that day/time their health changed.
This might be done with some diseases without a control group, as its effectively only guessing which day Shine Sun does his thing and if that is just randomized, then it could work as well.

Carn

[NoZed Avenger]

Originally posted by Carn
I meant the situation, where patients do not know when contact is made, just the month, where it is made and then can afterwards name the day or even better the time when contact was made, because on that day/time their health changed.
This might be done with some diseases without a control group, as its effectively only guessing which day Shine Sun does his thing and if that is just randomized, then it could work as well.

Carn

That sounds workable, as well. I missed what you were saying, but it looks good at first blush.

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

What does Carn look like? Nan's description is as follows:
Tallness is about 170 to 180 cm; long and square style face, a bit thin; some whiskers; curved hair,dark color; deeper eyehole.

Is it correct?

A bad news, Nan forecasted that the possibility I win the Prize is not big. But I will not give up prior to failure, but the control of the cost became important.

But this might still end up with comparing a small group of patients, where you try long distance qi with a group where you do not try.
I do not want to do a comparision, because there will be a lot of works to do, and the cost may be very high. What is the chronic disease? The chronic disease means it can not be healed up by current medical methods. So I will select chronic disease. To avoid chance, I will try to heal several diseases.
Might change if you could give a time limit in which the improve has to happen and this time limit is less than a day or so(health normally does not change that quickly with certain chronic diseases).
Time limit, the shortest will be 2 weeks, if the improvement was got only by one time healing; the longest will be 20 weeks (5 months), if the improvement was got by 10 times healing.
Do not give false hopes to ill people until you are sure you can do it!!!
You are correct. Then I can only say it is possible to heal up the diseases related to lumbar by my QiGong, because Nan's lumbar pain was healed up by my QiGong. If JREF agreed on my protocol, I must spend much time to find only the patients who have the diseases related to lumbar. I hope to enlarge the range of disease category.
Do you realy think it is already certain, that you can heal?
Yes, I have healed up many other diseases, but by short distance QiGong. Only 2, by long distance QiGong.
Please state clearly that you are still trying to find your way and can not promise anything definite, but think it might help, otherwise i think its dishonest.
Yes, I did so, I said: "I am not sure that I can heal any disease, but some good effects may be expected, as the QiGong healing is "Body-Heal-Body", that is to say, I was healthy, then you will be healthy finally theoretically. "
Do not know what my spirit can tell you.
Only yes, or no.
I used a dice to create a 4 digit number(ranging from 0 to 9), that i memorized so much it comes to my mind without thinking about it. I also written it down. That would be very convincing. What 4 digit number did the dice show me?
unable at my present QiGong level.
If numbers are bad, try to question my spirit, about when, where, if, how long my first love lasted, where, if he/she still lives, how/if she/he returned my love, name, how he/she looks/looked like,....
I will try to ask "Does your first love still live?" As for "How does he/she looks/looked like?" I will request Nan to answer it.
Also my family, relatives, their names how many, which dead, which alive is also ok.
I think it may be easy for Nan. I think forecast is easy for past and now, but impossible for future. But the important is of future.
Please accept, that i will give about personal questions only a judgement how correct you are and not exactly what was wrong, after all they are personal.
Accepted.
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NoZed Avenger
temporary improvement would prove nothing
I agreed. The QiGong healing is not temporary, it is permanent in some way. Because the heat or the cold was removed from body.
I meant the situation, where patients do not know when contact is made, just the month, where it is made and then can afterwards name the day or even better the time when contact was made, because on that day/time their health changed.
Because JREF requires objective evidence, so I imagined that I heal a certain disease time by time, when the patient felt better, than I will request him/ her to do a medical examination, if the certificate of diagnosis prescribed by a famous hospital demonstrated the improvement, then I win the test. Is it easy?

Shine Sun

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:

What does Carn look like? Nan's description is as follows:
Tallness is about 170 to 180 cm; long and square style face, a bit thin; some whiskers; curved hair,dark color; deeper eyehole.

Is it correct?



No.

About your homepage, sorry, if i was too harsh, i got the impression, that i'm quoted as a witness, that Qi Gong healing works and that was irritating, as from what i know so far, i could not say yes to that, but if you already healed others beside Nan, its a good sign.
Though there is always the nasty placebo effect, patient just gets better, because he thinks he received a good treatment.



Originally posted by Shine Sun

Only yes, or no.

unable at my present QiGong level.

I will try to ask "Does your first love still live?" As for "How does he/she looks/looked like?" I will request Nan to answer it.

I think it may be easy for Nan. I think forecast is easy for past and now, but impossible for future. But the important is of future.

Accepted.


Shine Sun

If you can ask 16 yes/no questions, its ok.
Just ask "Is first digit greater than 4?". On a yes you know its 5-9 on no you know its 0-4.
Then ask "greater than 7/2".
On yes there are only 8-9/3-4 left and you ask "is it 9/4" and know it then.
On no you ask "is it 0/5?", on a no to that you ask "is it 1/6".

So with 4 yes/no questions you can determine whether what a single digit is, so its 16 for 4 digits.

If thats too complicated to keep track of while doing Qi Gong, just ask the first question about each digit, that would at least be interesting, as the random chance to correctly guess higher than 4 with 4 digits is 1 in 16.

If you are limited to one question, just ask whether the first digit is greater than 4.

This number asking is best, because from that a JREF test can be dessigned easily, would just take long if you are limited to 1 question per session.

And about looking Nan would need to specify, if he goes for what he/she looks now(pretty ugly if dead), what he/she looked last time i saw him/her alive or what he/she looked like, when i fell in love or when i first met him/her.

At first he could correctly guess, if its he or she, because that "/"-ing is nerving. Or did i give myself away already?

Carn

[NoZed Avenger]

Originally posted by Shine Sun

Because JREF requires objective evidence, so I imagined that I heal a certain disease time by time, when the patient felt better, than I will request him/ her to do a medical examination, if the certificate of diagnosis prescribed by a famous hospital demonstrated the improvement, then I win the test. Is it easy?


If you are saying that actual changes can be made that can be measured by something like an MRI or nerve conduction study, then I think the test becomes much easier -- but I don't know about the expense.

If something that can be physically verified and measured can be done (as opposed to just saying there is less pain, for example), then the testing format can be made simpler, I would think.

N/A

[DrMatt]

Originally posted by Rob Lister
It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. ....


There's nothing in the challenge that limits it in this way.

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

What a pity it is, that Nan gave a wrong or unprecise description! Would you like to give another chance to Nan? I have told the bad result to Nan, and I suggested doing again or requesting his master to give a help, but no feedback now. Nan said his English is very very bad.

i'm quoted as a witness, that Qi Gong healing works and that was irritating, as from what i know so far, i could not say yes to that
I am sorry if it was irritating. But I did not aggrandize the fact. You gave me 25 scores, and I wrote that I got 25 scores. But I do not want to eliminate them now, as I will do a new test on this Sunday. If I fail, I will eliminate them immediately.
but if you already healed others beside Nan, its a good sign.
Yes, I have healed many other diseases besides Nan, some of them are also recorded in the same homepage, but in Chinese, such as physical injury, apoplexy, tympanitis, stomach diseases and so on.
Though there is always the nasty placebo effect, patient just gets better, because he thinks he received a good treatment.
In some sense, the QiGong healing is a permanent and obvious healing for a heavy disease, as the heat or the cold by which the disease was caused has been transfered to me. It is not reversible. Ideally, first, 1/2 left; second, 1/4 left; third,1/8; forth, 1/16 left (6.25% means being healed up). Given the safety coefficient of 2, plus 2 times for detecting, it needs 10 times to heal a disease up if the QiGong level is enough.
If you can ask 16 yes/no questions, its ok.
Good idea, but I am unable to do it in one test. If I focused my thought on it too much, the connection will be cut off. As to it, I want to read a paragraph of the Bible:
"So Peter got out of the boat, started walking on the water, and came towards Jesus. But when he noticed the strong wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!" (Matthew 29 to 30, the books of the new testament)"
Do you know why Peter sank finally? He noticed the strong wind, the connection of him and Jesus was cut off.
If you are limited to one question, just ask whether the first digit is greater than 4.
Is the first digit greater than 4? Good, I will try.
This number asking is best, because from that a JREF test can be dessigned easily, would just take long if you are limited to 1 question per session.
It will not take long, but I need to do a trial.
And about looking Nan would need to specify, if he goes for what he/she looks now(pretty ugly if dead), what he/she looked last time i saw him/her alive or what he/she looked like, when i fell in love or when i first met him/her.
I think Nan should give a precise description of your looking firstly.
At first he could correctly guess, if its he or she, because that "/"-ing is nerving. Or did i give myself away already?
Ok, the first thing is to guess, you are a man or woman.

Have a good mood!
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NoZed Avenger
If you are saying that actual changes can be made that can be measured by something like an MRI or nerve conduction study, then I think the test becomes much easier -- but I don't know about the expense.
I think so. It will be embodied by certificate of diagnosis, better, prescribed by a famous hospital. I will request the certificate of diagnosis, only after a patient has felt much better.
If something that can be physically verified and measured can be done (as opposed to just saying there is less pain, for example), then the testing format can be made simpler, I would think.
As for the diseases related to acantha or bone, perhaps, comparing the shapes will give something. And I am expert in healing the diseases related to acantha.
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DrMatt
There's nothing in the challenge that limits it in this way.
Thank you! I do hope to heal AIDS. Certainly, I can not promise anything, only a trial. I ever felt the cold of AIDS at a long distance. If I can heal AIDS, is it a powerful evidence? So far, it is difficult to get a chance. I donot need a real name, only pseudonym is also ok.

Shine Sun

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:


I am sorry if it was irritating. But I did not aggrandize the fact. You gave me 25 scores, and I wrote that I got 25 scores. But I do not want to eliminate them now, as I will do a new test on this Sunday. If I fail, I will eliminate them immediately.


Wait, you wanted to do seven tries with me, if i didn't lost count it would be number 3. I will not give any comment on what i think how much/if you posses paranormal ability before you have tried as many times as you initially thought are necessary.

Originally posted by Shine Sun

Yes, I have healed many other diseases besides Nan, some of them are also recorded in the same homepage, but in Chinese, such as physical injury, apoplexy, tympanitis, stomach diseases and so on.


Looks like you have contradicted yourself, above you wrote:


" quote:Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up?


not able."

Or did you mean that you cannot heal physical injuries via long distance?




Originally posted by Shine Sun

Is the first digit greater than 4? Good, I will try.

It will not take long, but I need to do a trial.

JREF frequently test people, who claim to be able to do something, that also can work by luck. In this cases, they normally require in the prelimenary test, to achieve a result, which would be succesful without para ability only 1 in 1000 times.
This correctly giving numbers can certainly also achieved by luck. And with yes/no question you have to find the correct answer to at least 10 questions(would be more if you are not certain to always get the correct answer) to get the 1 in 1000 chance.


Originally posted by Shine Sun

I ever felt the cold of AIDS at a long distance. If I can heal AIDS, is it a powerful evidence? So far, it is difficult to get a chance. I donot need a real name, only pseudonym is also ok.

Shine Sun

You felt the cold of AIDS, before or after you knew, the receiver has AIDS? If you can identify AIDS via long distance Qi with a high accuracy(that you need to know) only given the pseudonyms of the patients, it would make a good test.

Healing AIDS repeatedly, would certainly be enough to pass the challenge.


Maybe you do not know, but what would happen, if someone tells you a pseudonym and that it is of a patient, who allows you to do the test, but its just a lie, there is no patient, whom this pseudonym belongs to. What would happen, when you try to connect?

Carn

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Dear all:.

First time! A paranormal ability was demonstrated! I healed up a chronic disease by the paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing, only several days were used up. Perhaps, Mr. James Randi will be delighted to hear this good news. Please help me to tell this good news to Mr. James Randi, maybe it is what Mr. James Randi has expected for a long time. Certainly, it is only a beginning. The demonstration is as follows over the forum of JingLuo and QiGong (http://www.swyy.net/bbs/jlqg):

The post of Shine Sun on 11/15/2004, at 20:30:10 :
"Today (2004/11/15)19:00-19:46, I did the Qi Connection again to you. I swept through your acantha by my Qi, especially the parts below lumbar. I felt hot and painful on my acantha, a little pain on my waist muscles. Heat is pain, pain is heat, that is the law of human body. This signified your lumbar pain was healed in some way by my QiGong. More several times like this, you will be healed over. Today, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, you will feel better. Waiting for your good news."

The post of Nan on 11/16/2004 at 21:45:21 :
"Within these days, I still feel not good on my back and waist. I still can not sleep more than 6 to 7 hours, or I will feel painful."

The post of Nan on 11/19/2004 at 17:55:35 :
"Thank you, although my waist pain was not improved greatly, but now I can lie in bed for a longer time, and the pain is more bearable than before."

The post of Shine Sun on 11/20/2004 at 00:33:31:
"I am pleased. Your waist pain will be healed over after more several times. Now, I am alreay very confident! My waist swollen feeling still exists."

The post of Nan on 11/24/2004 at 12:54:23:
"Today, I must thank you very much! This morning, I felt much better! Today, I have slept 8 to 9 hours. Within the sleep, I got up only one time. Thanks!"

Conclusion:
It is normal of sleeping for 8 to 9 hours per day. That is to say, Nan's disease was healed over by 9 days and only one time healing.

I demonstrated my paranormal ability by myself. I will apply for the paranormal challenge in coming near future.

Shine Sun, a Chinese QiGong master

LOL!!! (But you forgot the smilies!)

And shouldn't it be Sun Shine?

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
I have done the third QiGong test with you on Dec 5th,2004, from 10:30 to 11:50 BeiJing time (3:30 to 4:20 your time).
Do you have any feeling?
I lied in bed and managed to reach QiGong status, and then meditated your name. Quickly, your spirit flied into my body. First on belly, then lumbar, then leg, then chest,then back, then face, then the back of head, then......
After the test, I felt fatigued and some slight pains around the waist. I did not detect any heavy disease of your body. I felt very good of leg, chest and the back of head. I guess that you can run fast.
You might feel some slight pains on belly, around the waist and lumbar. Maybe you had a special dream. I believe I can see you next time.
I asked your spirit two questions, " Is the first digit greater than 4?" and " Are you a gentleman?" Unfortunately, your spirit did not answer anyone.

Nan said that if you would give more information about you such as your birthday, he might give a preciser description of you. I think Nan's feat is far from QiGong, similar to that of gitana.

Wait, you wanted to do seven tries with me, if i didn't lost count it would be number 3. I will not give any comment on what i think how much/if you posses paranormal ability before you have tried as many times as you initially thought are necessary.
Ok, it is reasonable I think. I hope you can confirm prior to the seven times.
" quote:Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up?not able."
I meant I am unable to do "regrow" work.

You felt the cold of AIDS, before or after you knew, the receiver has AIDS?
I am not sure. He said he had given up reading in university and listed many symptoms, but did not show certificate of diagnosis.
If you can identify AIDS via long distance Qi with a high accuracy(that you need to know) only given the pseudonyms of the patients, it would make a good test.
I can not identify AIDS now, as the experience is too little.
Healing AIDS repeatedly, would certainly be enough to pass the challenge.
I want to do a trial.
Maybe you do not know, but what would happen, if someone tells you a pseudonym and that it is of a patient, who allows you to do the test, but its just a lie, there is no patient, whom this pseudonym belongs to. What would happen, when you try to connect?
It is a problem, though it never occurred. If the patient does not exist, I should feel nothing.

Shine Sun

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Sun Shine,

I drank a lot of beer tonight and it has left me terribly bloated. Can you use your powers to make me fart? It would really be appreciated.

[Shine Sun]

The Central Scrutinizer

Yes, Shine Sun just is "Seven Smiles" (Chinese Name).

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
The Central Scrutinizer

Yes, Shine Sun just is "Seven Smiles" (Chinese Name).

I haven't farted yet. Are you concentrating?

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:
I have done the third QiGong test with you on Dec 5th,2004, from 10:30 to 11:50 BeiJing time (3:30 to 4:20 your time).
Do you have any feeling?
I lied in bed and managed to reach QiGong status, and then meditated your name. Quickly, your spirit flied into my body. First on belly, then lumbar, then leg, then chest,then back, then face, then the back of head, then......
After the test, I felt fatigued and some slight pains around the waist. I did not detect any heavy disease of your body. I felt very good of leg, chest and the back of head. I guess that you can run fast.
You might feel some slight pains on belly, around the waist and lumbar. Maybe you had a special dream. I believe I can see you next time.
I asked your spirit two questions, " Is the first digit greater than 4?" and " Are you a gentleman?" Unfortunately, your spirit did not answer anyone.

Ahm,...
Something tickling in my head about that..
Makes me wonder..

Yes, why doesn't my spirit answer your questions, if i want him to do so, thought repeatedly he should so?
Is there anything i have to do?

(Note for spirit of Carn:
Ok. you *********** damn spirit of mine, i told you repeatedly to answer Shine Sun's questions, are you deaf? If you do not do what i tell you, i will look on internet for a new one and sell you to Satan or however pays. Got it? Do better next time.)

Originally posted by Shine Sun

Nan said that if you would give more information about you such as your birthday, he might give a preciser description of you. I think Nan's feat is far from QiGong, similar to that of gitana.



If he knows my age, its already too much information. By saying i was born in 1899, he would already get the impression of old and worn face. If i say 1988, he'll know i'm still a youth.
So no birthdate, but i could give the month, if that helps(does he perform some atrological stuff to get his face visions?).

Originally posted by Shine Sun


I meant I am unable to do "regrow" work.


But are you able to heal small cuts or speed up the process?

If yes, then take a volunteer, cause small and identical cuts at the same spot on both legs, best in a region normally protected by clothing and someone whose legs are not very different. Dice which cut you try to heal, but try to do it without in any way indicating which you try to heal.
Then do not contact volunteer until both cuts are healed and then ask which cut healed better/faster. If its the one you've been trying on, it would be intersting to do further test this way, if not, then its possible that your healing didn't do any good.

You could also do such a test with light burn wounds or even better with bruises(lowest medical risk there i think) and if no volunteer found, you could try with yourself, though a success there would not count that much.



Originally posted by Shine Sun

It is a problem, though it never occurred. If the patient does not exist, I should feel nothing.

Shine Sun

Beauty of JREF test is , that they do not care what paranormal ability is demonstrated.

If you realy feel nothing on trying to contact a false psudonym, this would make a excellent test. But what requirements needs a real pseudonym? Does it have to be a pseudonym, the patient uses often or is it just ok, if he agrees, that you contact him with that pseudonym in mind?

If yes to the last, i think a nice test could be desgined and performed, with some members of this forum. Maybe even pretty fast, as you only have to determine whether contact is possible and can stop immiediately afterwards.


Carn

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
Something tickling in my head about that;Makes me wonder
It also makes me wonder. It seems a repeatable phenomenon. If so, it is very important. Do you have any special feelings on your leg (especially left leg) and waist and lumbar and belly?
Yes, why doesn't my spirit answer your questions, if i want him to do so, thought repeatedly he should so?Is there anything i have to do?
I do not know what you should do to help it. In fact, your spirit answered the first question. The first question is "Do you remember the 4 digit number created by dice casting?" Your spirit answered: "Yes". Then asked: " Is the first digit greater than 4?" No answer. Then I asked: " Are you a gentleman?" No answer too. As your spirit did not answer the second and the third question, so I did not mention the first one. I want to ask the second question next time directly. Maybe my ability is only enough to request your spirit to answer one time.
(Note for spirit of Carn:Ok. you *********** damn spirit of mine, i told you repeatedly to answer Shine Sun's questions, are you deaf? If you do not do what i tell you, i will look on internet for a new one and sell you to Satan or however pays. Got it? Do better next time.)
I think it is useless. What is the spirit? It is a part of our body just as magnetic field for a magnet. We are unable to change it, I think. How will our spirits exist after we die? I do not know.
So no birthdate, but i could give the month, if that helps(does he perform some atrological stuff to get his face visions?).
Ok, I will ask Nan if only month is enough. I can not find the word "atrological" in my dictionary.
But are you able to heal small cuts or speed up the process?
Yes, I did it ever. One of my colleagues had a cut ever on his little finger (left hand or right hand, I forgot). The cutting cicatrized, but a great pain had been lasting for a long time. I
did QiGong healing, and most of the pain was removed after about 10 minutes.
If yes, then take a volunteer, cause small and identical cuts at the same spot on both legs,
I think only German can thought out so brutal test, only a joke. Some of Chinese are brutaler than German. If so, I think I must pay a lot of money. I think we can issue an advertisement to find the people who have great pain on wounds, and then I help them to remove the pain. But I do not want to do it, because generally, no hospital will give a certificate of diagnosis for pain removing.
If you realy feel nothing on trying to contact a false psudonym, this would make a excellent test. But what requirements needs a real pseudonym? Does it have to be a pseudonym, the patient uses often or is it just ok, if he agrees, that you contact him with that pseudonym in mind?
Most of names with whom I did test in Chinese forum are pseudonym. Though wrong healing by same name or pseudonym never occured, I still want to do some communication with him/her prior to doing a test over forum.
If yes to the last, i think a nice test could be desgined and performed, with some members of this forum. Maybe even pretty fast, as you only have to determine whether contact is possible and can stop immiediately afterwards.
Could you talk about your plan in detail?

Shine Sun

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:

Could you talk about your plan in detail?

Shine Sun

I'll try to think up/create/ find 10 pseudonyms, then convince 5 forum members to select one each and tell me, they allow you to make contact to them. I then present the 10 names to you and tell you that of these five are real, who allowed you to make contact.
You would contact try to contact all 10. Afterwards you tell me, which ones you think are real.

If you get 7 or less right, you would know, then you know that establishing contact just to pseudonyms is either faulty or does not even work.
8 would be interesting, 9 would make me ask to repeat the test once more with different people and 10 would raise even interest of others.

I would only do this if you seriously think, that you can do it.


Carn

[H3LL]

Heal problems with reproductive organs?

Gender based medical problems could provide a good control group even with symptoms that disappear naturally.

10 subjects, 5 female and 5 male but their gender unknown to you and you are to heal a gender specific ailment. You state which you will heal i.e. number 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8.

If the gender of the subject is unknown to you and you "heal" period pain in a man your powers must be illusionary.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Sun Shine,

The pressure is unbearable!!! Please help me!!!!

Concentrate! Look eye. Always look eye.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
Sun Shine,

The pressure is unbearable!!! Please help me!!!!

Concentrate! Look eye. Always look eye.
And remember, lock thumb. Wax on, wax off, breath in, breath out, now paint my house. Go up down and side--side.

[Shine Sun]

To demonstrate my paranormal ability, I must heal up some incurable diseases, so I remembered (with help of one of my friends) Prof. Stephen H. Hawking.
Do you know Prof. Stephen H. Hawking? Maybe not.
Do you know the book <<A Brief History of Time>>? Maybe not.
Do you know Black Hole? Maybe yes.
Now I guess you have known Prof. Stephen H. Hawking and his disability. I mailed two emails to Prof. Hawking as follows:

"Dear Prof. Hawking

How do you do!

Did you hear of QiGong? Perhaps not, but you should have heard of Mr. James Randi and his one-million dollars paranormal ability challenge.

I am preparing for the challenge. My paranormal ability is Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing. How long? Anywhere on the earth, that is to say, no limit of distance. When you are sleeping in your home, I do the QiGong healing in my home. When you wake up, the disease was healed up. How wonderful! Incredible, just like your theories about the universe. I have done many times of the test and issued several test reports. If you are
interested, I will show them to you. Certainly, you can see the posts I wrote at the forum of Mr. James Randi (http://forums.randi.org/).

Are you interested in paranormal ability?
Do you want to do a trial and experience it by yourself?

Yours,sincerely,

Shine Sun"

"Dear Prof. Hawking

I am sorry I invited your spirit and your spirit came to China without your authorization. I was not on purpose. I want to heal your disease with my paranormal ability which I am demonstrating over the forum of James Randi. If I said I could heal your disease and finally it was demonstrated that I am unable, then I will be embarrassing. So I did a trial in advance. Because without your authorization, your spirit stayed in China only about 3 minutes. Do you have any special feeling? I can cause your spirit to China, that is to say, I can heal your disease, at least, some good effect can be expected.
The test occured at 20:03 to 20:06 (BeiJing time) on Dec 7,2004.

I lay in bed, and reached QiGong status, just as I did with the German Carn and Chinese Nan. I meditated your name Hawking, then, the color of my body darkened, and I felt difficult to breathe. I continue to call your name in heart, suddenly your spirit came close me, there is an interface between our spirits. Finally, the Qis of our feet connected together. The energy moved fluently. Only about 3 minutes (generally, 0.5 to 1 hour), I had to cut it off because without your authorization. Incredible, but I can do it again if you agree.

After all, this test succeed.
It is not a joke, I have been doing it over the forum of JREF.
Sincerely,
Shine Sun"

The following is the automatic feedback.
"**Automatic Reply**

Your email regarding "Paranormal Ability " has been received.

Professor Hawking very much regrets that due to the huge amount of mail he
receives, it may take some time for him to send a reply. Please be
patient, as all mail is read.

Please see the website http://www.hawking.org.uk for more information
about Professor Hawking, his life and his work.

Yours faithfully

Tom Pelly"

I do not receive any feedback from Prof. Hawking himself until now. So I decided to do a great venture. I planned to call Satan's spirit and ask Satan give a help to let Prof. Hawking to read my emails firstly.
Dec 9,04,19:00 to 20:00, I reached QiGong status and meditated the name of Satan. But no any response. I did my best, still no. I lost my paranormal ability? I meditated Hawking's name. Quickly, Hawking's spirit came into my body. I meditated the God's name "Almighty Unique God". The God's light came down
at once. That is to say, I did not lose my ability and Satan does not exist or was killed by God. It is most likely that Satan was killed (eliminated) by the God according to the God's characteristic recorded in the Bible. Please see following order the God gave:
"Samuel said to Saul, "The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attach Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (Samuel 15/1,2,3
the Books of the Old Testament)."
That is also to say, I can distinguish the pseudonyms that do not exist and the pen names that exist actually.

Within these days, I felt pains on my knees, especially right knee. That is to say, Hawking has pains on his knees recently. I can not verify it as I do not know how to contact Hawking promptly.

Shine Sun

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
To demonstrate my paranormal ability, I must heal up some incurable diseases, so I remembered (with help of one of my friends) Prof. Stephen H. Hawking.
Do you know Prof. Stephen H. Hawking? Maybe not.
Do you know the book <<A Brief History of Time>>? Maybe not.
Do you know Black Hole? Maybe yes.
Everyone knows who Prof. Hawking is.
Why don't you just cure his motor neurone disease and be done with it?
Why the prevarication?
More to the point, why have you not yet applied for the JREF challenge officially?

[Ashles]

Are people still taking this joker seriously?

Writing to Stephen Hawking, contacting Satan, anti Semitic comments...

Shine Sun is joking or disturbed.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Ashles
Are people still taking this joker seriously?

Writing to Stephen Hawking, contacting Satan, anti Semitic comments...

Shine Sun is joking or disturbed.
He's disturbed.
But to answer your question: no, we don't take him seriously.
Baiting him is tremendous fun, though...
:p :D

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun

I mailed two emails to Prof. Hawking as follows:

I would not mail him again. Chance is that he takes it as an issult or very, very bad joke, if he ever reads it.
You still got me to heal.

Originally posted by Shine Sun

I do not receive any feedback from Prof. Hawking himself until now. So I decided to do a great venture. I planned to call Satan's spirit and ask Satan give a help to let Prof. Hawking to read my emails firstly.


Isn't calling to Satan a sin?

Originally posted by Shine Sun


That is also to say, I can distinguish the pseudonyms that do not exist and the pen names that exist actually.

I do not understand how you can conlude that from this experience.

But no matter, you realy think you can distinguish between pseudonyms, that have been chosen by someone, and pseudonyms that have not been chosen by someone?

Ever asked yourself what happens if there is osmeone else with pseudonym carn?

Originally posted by Shine Sun

Within these days, I felt pains on my knees, especially right knee. That is to say, Hawking has pains on his knees recently. I can not verify it as I do not know how to contact Hawking promptly.

Shine Sun

Concentrate on getting through with our remeining tries, before trying it with people, who did not agree, might be offended if they know and cannot be contacted anyway.

Carn

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

Both you and me are healthy, so the feeling is not obvious. Now there is a good chance.
I do not already feel the pains Hawking shared to me, but still have some bad feelings, and the bad feelings have spreaded to my right femur. If I do a test with you now, then the bad feelings will be transfered to you by 1/2, and you can experience how suffering Prof. Hawking is undergoing, then you will not say "an insult or very, very bad joke", it is only what I got by 3 minutes. Do you mind I transfer Hawking's pain to you? If you donot mind, I will do the 4th test on this Sunday. Certainly, I will manage to remove them if you can not remove them by yourself.

I am unmoral? I do not think so. Firstly, the most important is that it is on good purpose. Secondly, I noticed Prof. Hawking. Thirdly, It is only 3 minutes.
Isn't calling to Satan a sin?
It is a calling, not worship. Only worshipping Satan is a sin according to the Bible. Now I know Satan does not exist now. Why is it a sin to call a thing which does not exist?
But no matter, you realy think you can distinguish between pseudonyms, that have been chosen by someone, and pseudonyms that have not been chosen by someone?
Yes, I think so according to the experience of calling Satan.
Ever asked yourself what happens if there is osmeone else with pseudonym carn?
I did. There are a lot of people who have the same name. Why will not I make a mistake? I do not know. Maybe Prof. Hawking can give an answer. Maybe it is a new viewpoint to see the universe.
Concentrate on getting through with our remeining tries, before trying it with people, who did not agree, might be offended if they know and cannot be contacted anyway.
Yes, but at least , I am on good purpose.
Finally, I tried to enter the forum of Hawking. I sent out some posts at it. I hope Prof. Hawking will spare my "unmoral", If Prof. Hawking stands up some day.

Nan requested you to select one figure from 1 to 12. Then he will know some things about you. Would you like to select a figure?
I'll try to think up/create/ find 10 pseudonyms, then convince 5 forum members to select one each and tell me, they allow you to make contact to them. I then present the 10 names to you and tell you that of these five are real, who allowed you to make contact.
I would like to do it. But I want to heal Hawking's disease in parallel.
Now, we have 3 methods to demonstrate my paranormal ability:
1) to heal Hawking's disease;
2) to heal Hawking's disease and transfer the disease to other people;
3) to distinguish pseudonyms.

Shine sun

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Do you mind I transfer Hawking's pain to you?
Transfer Hawking's pain to me. I don't mind. I'll tough it out.
Go right ahead and give me the pain... :rolleyes:

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:

Do you mind I transfer Hawking's pain to you?

Try so.
Originally posted by Shine Sun

I am unmoral? I do not think so. Firstly, the most important is that it is on good purpose. Secondly, I noticed Prof. Hawking. Thirdly, It is only 3 minutes.


There are people, who could take an offense in what you did(especially the mailing), but not everybody would have a problem with this, so i just warned of the possibility, that your mails will get an unfriendly response.

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Originally posted by Shine Sun

Yes, I think so according to the experience of calling Satan.

The test is from a sceptic point of view not useful, as for both pseudonyms you tried("satan", "god"), we cannot be certain that they exist, so we do not know if you conclusion "Satan" does not exist and "God" does exist.
Originally posted by Shine Sun


Nan requested you to select one figure from 1 to 12. Then he will know some things about you. Would you like to select a figure?


Is the method of selection relevant?
Do i have to select the number i like most or can i just dice one or pick the next number i see?

Originally posted by Shine Sun

I would like to do it. But I want to heal Hawking's disease in parallel.

Shine sun

Fine, just do not spam him with mails.

What problems could be there with a psuedonym test? How fast could you check the names? Do they have to be names, or can they also include numbers or senseless combinations of letters(e.g. "qwerty", "jule2525")?

Carn

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
I healed most of my pains on my knees, but still a little. I think it is enough for the first transfer.
I do not yet receive any feedback from Hawking.
Do i have to select the number i like most or can i just dice one or pick the next number i see?
I do not know, I need to ask Nan.
What problems could be there with a psuedonym test? How fast could you check the names? Do they have to be names, or can they also include numbers or senseless combinations of letters(e.g. "qwerty", "jule2525")?
As for "How Fast", It needs 2 times, I think. As for " numbers or senseless combinations of letters". it should be ok, but not too complex, it is not the purpose.
Today is a significant day, the God came into my body. I will talk about it in details, after you have confirmed my ability.

Shine Sun

[Kimpatsu]

Hey, Shine Sun, give ME Hawking's pain.
Go on. Do it. I don't mind, and I'm waiting...

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
Today, Dec 12,04, 11:51 to 13:23, I did the 4 th test to you. I still have pains on my knees. Do you have any special feeling?
"Do i have to select the number i like most or can i just dice one or pick the next number i see?"
Nan said:" Either will do."

Kimpatsu:
"Hey, Shine Sun, give ME Hawking's pain.
Go on. Do it. I don't mind, and I'm waiting..."
Thank you for your authorization. I will do it asap.

Shine Sun

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Kimpatsu:
"Hey, Shine Sun, give ME Hawking's pain.
Go on. Do it. I don't mind, and I'm waiting..."
Thank you for your authorization. I will do it asap.

Shine Sun
I'm still waiting...

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:
Today, Dec 12,04, 11:51 to 13:23, I did the 4 th test to you. I still have pains on my knees. Do you have any special feeling?

Originally posted by Shine Sun

No.

No pain on the knee.

Were you able to detect any further illness?


"Do i have to select the number i like most or can i just dice one or pick the next number i see?"
Nan said:" Either will do."

Shine Sun

I selected 2.

Carn

[Kimpatsu]

I'm STILL waiting...

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Carn:

As for "How Fast", It needs 2 times, I think. As for " numbers or senseless combinations of letters". it should be ok, but not too complex, it is not the purpose.


Ok, 2 times and could you try more often per week, instead of the 1-2 times you manage per week, when making and extensive contact?

Originally posted by Shine Sun

Today is a significant day, the God came into my body. I will talk about it in details, after you have confirmed my ability.

Shine Sun

What always confuses me, when i hear/read something like this, is how do people know its god, who came to them and not some other supernatural being, that fooled their senses into thinking its god.

So how would you know the difference between god and let's say Satan, who comes and tries to make you think he is god?

Carn



Carn

[Kimpatsu]

And, yes, I'm STILL waiting, Shine.
Where's all this pain you promised me?

[Shine Sun]

Kimpatsu:
I have done it. I felt much better after I had done it. You did not feel it. I failed this time. I will do another trial next time and I will think carefully how to improve it. Do you have any special feeling?

Carn:
You also felt nothing?
I selected 2.
Ok, I will tell it to Nan.
Ok, 2 times and could you try more often per week, instead of the 1-2 times you manage per week, when making and extensive contact?
The 1-2 times per week is ok generally.
So how would you know the difference between god and let's say Satan, who comes and tries to make you think he is god?
I think if I read the God's name in heart, will not come the Satan.
Who said that holy father, holy son and holy spirit is 3 in 1? This saying is correct very much. The anterior is holy father, the middle is holy son, and the back is holy spirit. You read in heart holy father, the anterior takes action; You read holy son, the middle takes action; You read holy spirit, the back takes action. You read almighty unique real god, all of the 3 parts will take action at the same time. Where is the 3 in 1 god? It is in my head now.

My left knee is restored basically, but I still have a little bad feeling on my right knee.

Shine Sun

[IXP]

Shine would you please be more careful.

Hawkings pain missed Carn and hit me -- now my knees hurt. How long can I expect this to last?

IXP

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Kimpatsu:
I have done it. I felt much better after I had done it. You did not feel it. I failed this time. I will do another trial next time and I will think carefully how to improve it. Do you have any special feeling?
You leave my sex life out of this... :p
No; I do not have any "special feeling". I am perfectly healthy, and will, as ever, be going training tonight.
You failed big time.

[Carn]

Originally posted by Shine Sun


Carn:
You also felt nothing?



No.


Originally posted by Shine Sun


The 1-2 times per week is ok generally.



I just hoped if you only test if contact is possible, you could do it more often, as with 1-2 tries per week checking 10 pseudonyms with 2 tries needed to check, it would take 10+ weeks.

Originally posted by Shine Sun


I think if I read the God's name in heart, will not come the Satan.

Shine Sun

Maybe Satan is a bad example, but if you try to contact "Kimpatsu", how do you know you will not contact "IXP". After all, before contacting you do not know how the spirit "feels" or "looks" like and asking are you ... could also be answered wrongly or maybe you even end up with a spirit willing to lie.

Carn

[Kimpatsu]

I'm still completely unaffected...

[Ashles]

Maybe he's transferrring the pain to you, but his healing is so powerful that he is clearing it up so quickly that you don't even feel it.

Of course there is another explanation as to why you aren't feeling the affect of Shine Sun's amazing abilities...

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Ashles
Maybe he's transferrring the pain to you, but his healing is so powerful that he is clearing it up so quickly that you don't even feel it.
What, not even a twinge? I'm still waiting...

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
I just hoped if you only test if contact is possible, you could do it more often, as with 1-2 tries per week checking 10 pseudonyms with 2 tries needed to check, it would take 10+ weeks.
Too frequent, it will injure my health. I will do my best.
if you try to contact "Kimpatsu", how do you know you will not contact "IXP".
I tried to heal Nan. I got pains on my acantha and Nan felt better of his acantha. Maybe I need to do more tests to demonstrate it. It will be very good if I can contact Prof. Hawking. To improve the test quality, I want to cancel the time limit. Is it ok? It offends the laws of dialectical materialism. You want to reach good QiGong status, then you can not reach it. The correct way is to do test just when a good QiGong status has come.

Kimpatsu:
I'm still completely unaffected...
I failed, I think there may be 1 possible reason except my disability.
I remember clearly that your spirit came into my body. Your spirit gave me much energy. So you should feel tired a little at that early morning (BeiJing time). I do want to transfer the pains on my knees to you, so I focused my thought on my knees. But I did not know that the connection between us was cut off just as Peter focused his thought on the wind and the sea, then the connection between Peter and Jesus was cut off and Peter fell into water. I felt the pains was removed slowly. Who healed my pains? I think that is myself, but with your help. So next time, I only manage to keep the Qi connection. Leave the disease transfer to the spirits just as Peter had done at the beginning. Did you read this paragraph of the Bible?

Disease transfer is only for the test.

Shine Sun

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
I just hoped if you only test if contact is possible, you could do it more often, as with 1-2 tries per week checking 10 pseudonyms with 2 tries needed to check, it would take 10+ weeks.
Too frequent, it will injure my health. I will do my best.
if you try to contact "Kimpatsu", how do you know you will not contact "IXP".
I tried to heal Nan. I got pains on my acantha and Nan felt better of his acantha. Maybe I need to do more tests to demonstrate it. It will be very good if I can contact Prof. Hawking. To improve the test quality, I want to cancel the time limit. Is it ok? It offends the laws of dialectical materialism. You want to reach good QiGong status, then you can not reach it. The correct way is to do test just when a good QiGong status has come.

Kimpatsu:
I'm still completely unaffected...
I failed, I think there may be 1 possible reason except my disability.
I remember clearly that your spirit came into my body. Your spirit gave me much energy. So you should feel tired a little at that early morning (BeiJing time). I do want to transfer the pains on my knees to you, so I focused my thought on my knees. But I did not know that the connection between us was cut off just as Peter focused his thought on the wind and the sea, then the connection between Peter and Jesus was cut off and Peter fell into water. I felt the pains was removed slowly. Who healed my pains? I think that is myself, but with your help. So next time, I only manage to keep the Qi connection. Leave the disease transfer to the spirits just as Peter had done at the beginning. Did you read this paragraph of the Bible?

Disease transfer is only for the test.

Shine Sun

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Kimpatsu:

I failed, I think there may be 1 possible reason except my disability.
I remember clearly that your spirit came into my body. Your spirit gave me much energy. So you should feel tired a little at that early morning (BeiJing time). I do want to transfer the pains on my knees to you, so I focused my thought on my knees. But I did not know that the connection between us was cut off just as Peter focused his thought on the wind and the sea, then the connection between Peter and Jesus was cut off and Peter fell into water. I felt the pains was removed slowly. Who healed my pains? I think that is myself, but with your help. So next time, I only manage to keep the Qi connection. Leave the disease transfer to the spirits just as Peter had done at the beginning. Did you read this paragraph of the Bible?

Disease transfer is only for the test.

My "spirit" didn't go anywhere. Further, it's early morning now, and I'm typing this, fine and completely unaffected.
You failed.

[Shine Sun]

My "spirit" didn't go anywhere. Further, it's early morning now, and I'm typing this, fine and completely unaffected.You failed.
Yes, but I do not accept the failure. I will do it again.

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Yes, but I do not accept the failure. I will do it again.


Well can you accept the fact that your a nutjob?

[Ashles]

Oh my GOD! When will this inane Shine Sun nonsense cease!

Apply or shut up Shine Sun - this is getting tedious.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Ashles
Oh my GOD! When will this inane Shine Sun nonsense cease!

Apply or shut up Shine Sun - this is getting tedious.
Yes; we're all still waiting...

[Shine Sun]

Apply or shut up Shine Sun - this is getting tedious
Ok, nothing to say, only do the test.

Kimpatsu:
I did the Qi Connection again from 21:00 to 21:50 (BeiJing time). Did you have any special feeling?
I did my best, if fail, I will surrender.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Shine Sun
Kimpatsu:
I did the Qi Connection again from 21:00 to 21:50 (BeiJing time).
That's 22:00 to 22:50 Tokyo time.
Originally posted by Shine Sun
Did you have any special feeling?
No.
Originally posted by Shine Sun
I did my best, if fail, I will surrender.
Does this mean you admit that you have no special powers?