Why GOD is NOT / Why the Bible is not divine in Origin. Part1

[fleshpray]

Why GOD is NOT / Why the Bible is not divine in Origin

Premise:
God is Omnipotent = all powerful
God is Omniscient = having infinite awareness
God is Omnipresent = present in all places at all times

Genesis:

Earth Creation-
- Why did God create the earth in only 6 days? Surely everything could have been created in less then a millisecond.
- Why did God rest on the 7th day? Is he not Omnipotent?!?


Adam & Eve-
- Why were Adam & Eve cast out of Eden? God would have known that they were going to eat the forbidden fruit, and yet he punishes them for something he KNEW they would do. Did he set them up?!?
- Why was the Serpent in Eden with them? Once again, God would have known that the Serpent would have “tempted� them. Indeed, the serpent has no power unless God allows it.
- Was he testing Adam & Eve? God does not need to test them. He KNOWS what path they will take. So, unless he takes pleasure in playing with us, this event did not happen as the Bible states and if it did not, then the Bible is flawed and hence not divine in nature.
- If the argument is that God doesn’t know what path we will take because of free choice, then God is NOT All-powerful and as such he is flawed. Which would mean he is NOT a God then but some other type of being (advanced life form).
- Why were Adam & Eve cast out of Eden and cursed by God when there was NO chance of them ever winning? Remember… the Bible states that Adam & Eve did NOT have any knowledge of good or bad, so they ate from the forbidden fruit in INNOCENCE.

Satan / Lucifer-
- Didn't God know Satan would cause so much chaos in his newly created world?!? God created all angels, so that means God created ultimate evil since Lucifer is considered ultimate evil and Lucifer was the best angel.


More to come,

Fleshpray

[geni]

allegory

[KingMerv00]

Originally posted by geni
allegory

What for? To show you not to mess with God's produce?

I for one think some smart bronze age guy thought he had the origin of the universe worked out. I bet it was supposed to be read literally and just didn't stand the test of time.

[geni]

Originally posted by KingMerv00
I for one think some smart bronze age guy thought he had the origin of the universe worked out. I bet it was supposed to be read literally and just didn't stand the test of time.

Iron age probably. And somewhat doubtful is you look at simualr works of the tyime peroid.

[richardm]

Originally posted by geni
allegory

Gesundheit!

[Tricky]

Just another variation of the theodicy paradox: How can a God which is both omnipotent and good allow evil?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tricky
Just another variation of the theodicy paradox: How can a God which is both omnipotent and good allow evil?

Because God is beyond our understanding.


If God is beyond our understanding, how can we know his will?


etc. etc. etc.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Because God is beyond our understanding.


If God is beyond our understanding, how can we know his will?


etc. etc. etc.
What I always like is the metaphor of God the Shepherd. Shepherds fleece and eventually eat their flock.

[spejic]

Originally posted by Diogenes
If God is beyond our understanding, how can we know his will? We can't. Fortunatly, there are people who do know his will, and will tell us what it is as long as we pay them.

[Marquis de Carabas]

The choir (in unison): Amen, preacher.

[thatguywhojuggles]

God was basically just using humanity to test out his Sims game that he was developing. Now that it is on the market and making money, he can just kick back in Cancun and drink fruity drinks and hang with hot chicks.

[Iacchus]

Hmm ... For some reason this all looks familiar (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=453). ;) (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=453) So, would anybody agree that He who makes the rules is not necessarily one and the same and/or subject to the rules in which He makes? How then, should that conflict with the rules governing a Universe which is wholly consistent and logical?

Also, is it possible that Adam and Eve were terribly naive and, that as a result of God's open door policy towards admittance into heaven (predicated upon freel will that is), they failed, because they had no practical understanding of who God was? And yet, it was mandatory in order to produce a whole race of beings who can accept God on practical terms (i.e., grounded or, down to earth), so that they could understand the rules, and not mess up heaven for everyone else perhaps?

[evildave]

And why even put mythological characters like 'god', 'adam' and 'eve' into a discussion?

May as well argue the relative merits of Wookies versus Klingons versus Power Puff Girls.

[AK-Dave]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And yet, it was mandatory in order to produce a whole race of beings who can accept God on practical terms (i.e., grounded or, down to earth), so that they could understand the rules, and not mess up heaven for everyone else perhaps? Why didn't god just make them that way to begin with?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by evildave

And why even put mythological characters like 'god', 'adam' and 'eve' into a discussion?

May as well argue the relative merits of Wookies versus Klingons versus Power Puff Girls. Life is a mystery is it not?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by AK-Dave

Why didn't god just make them that way to begin with? What, as spirits? Apparently this is what they were. If not, then it doesn't make sense that we become spirits when we die.

[c4ts]

You gotta be kidding me, nobody takes the bible that literally, unless it's fundies or related sects, and even then they use doublethink so it becomes metaphor when YOU try to argue from a literalist perspective. And what's the point of arguing against fundamentalists anyway? They dodge all your questions and stick their fingers in their ears until someone gets offended so they can walk away feeling justified.

Then again, on the internet, there are trolls. And you can feed them all day long. Well, not literally, but you get the idea.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by c4ts

You gotta be kidding me, nobody takes the bible that literally, unless it's fundies or related sects, and even then they use doublethink so it becomes metaphor when YOU try to argue from a literalist perspective. And what's the point of arguing against fundamentalists anyway? They dodge all your questions and stick their fingers in their ears until someone gets offended so they can walk away feeling justified.

Then again, on the internet, there are trolls. And you can feed them all day long. Well, not literally, but you get the idea. It all depends on whether you believe in an afterlife or not. I do, so that doesn't make me a troll for saying so does it? Certainly I don't expect you to take my word for it if that's what you think?

[Iacchus]

In Respect To His Interiors Every Man is a Spirit (http://swedenborg.newearth.org/hh/hh45.html) ...

[Anders]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Because God is beyond our understanding.


If God is beyond our understanding, how can we know his will?


etc. etc. etc.
yada yada yada.

And still a great many people (priests) claim they know gods will! Amazing!

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Iacchus
It all depends on whether you believe in an afterlife or not. I do, so that doesn't make me a troll for saying so does it? Certainly I don't expect you to take my word for it if that's what you think?

I was responding to fleshprey, not you.

[cbish]

spejiic wrote:
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Originally posted by Diogenes
If God is beyond our understanding, how can we know his will?
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We can't. Fortunatly, there are people who do know his will, and will tell us what it is as long as we pay them.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

or elect them!:p

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Diogenes
Because God is beyond our understanding.


If God is beyond our understanding, how can we know his will?


etc. etc. etc.

I concluded long ago that there are things Man was not meant to know/mysterious are the ways of God was a BS statement that has no meaning.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and sits on its infinitely fat ass while children are raped to death, then its evil.

What else could it be? This creature knows the joy of ejaculating inside your dying murder victim. It knows the terror and despair of said victim. It knows the pain and terror as someone gets their head sawn off. There is only one conclusion: {b]God enjoys the suffering as the ultimate perverted cosmic voyeur.[/b]

And to top it off, It demands that we, yes we, decidedly finite mortals perform significant effort to help "the poor" or whatever the hell they are, all the while It could help them with infinitely less effort.

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Hmm ... For some reason this all looks familiar (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=453). ;) (http://www.dionysus.org/forums/showthread.php?t=453) So, would anybody agree that He who makes the rules is not necessarily one and the same and/or subject to the rules in which He makes? How then, should that conflict with the rules governing a Universe which is wholly consistent and logical?

Also, is it possible that Adam and Eve were terribly naive and, that as a result of God's open door policy towards admittance into heaven (predicated upon freel will that is), they failed, because they had no practical understanding of who God was? And yet, it was mandatory in order to produce a whole race of beings who can accept God on practical terms (i.e., grounded or, down to earth), so that they could understand the rules, and not mess up heaven for everyone else perhaps?

So the purpose is to create, then filter for people who are good, kind, will help the poor, etc.

...then reward them by placing them in a place (Heaven) where these traits are absolutely useless?

Or he'll create other worlds where there is need and want, and put these good people in charge of them or helping in them...again, why? Why create such worlds in the first place? Why demand finite mortals do work to alleviate suffering? Is this all some idiotic cosmic game a freak god gets a kick out of?