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jay gw
1st December 2004, 12:09 PM
Senay reports that a new study in the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides more evidence that chronic psychological stress speeds up the biological aging process.

Researchers compared the white blood cells in women who experienced severe long-term stress from caring for chronically-ill children to those of women who cared for healthy children. They found that the cells of women who reported chronic stress aged 10 years faster than than those of women who were not stressed out.

The researchers measured the wear and tear on the chromosomes within the white blood cells, specifically the length of structures called telomeres at the ends of the chromosomes. Telomeres get shorter and shorter each time a cell divides. This gradual shortening is seen as a kind of biological clock, because the cells eventually lose their ability to reproduce, which results in signs of aging such as wrinkles, diminished eyesight, and eventually, organ failure and death.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4192419

Johnny Pneumatic
1st December 2004, 12:23 PM
Why is this supposed to suprise us? The brain is just a biochemical machine like the rest of the body. Wonder what chemicals it is that are effecting the chromosomes?

Dr. Imago
1st December 2004, 12:48 PM
I think this is a separate issue, stress and aging, from the mind-body connection, Jay. There is no reason to believe - nor is it generally in dispute - that stress can "age" you faster. When you see the argument about there being "no separation between mind and matter", most people are talking about the soul being a separate entity in the body, not connected to the corporeal substance. I don't see how these findings really call that concept into question (despite the fact that I'm personally and presently certain that the 'mind' and the 'body' are a single, unified, and inseparable entity).

-TT

fsol
1st December 2004, 04:25 PM
How about this one?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1253666.htm

Scientists track footprints of thoughts.