Best of British mediums..

[Azrael 5]

Colin Fry and Tony Stockwelll(camp and camper)are to tour together under this title.I saw them doing thish on stage at the over Xmas on TV.They were both on stage at the same time and claiming to be recieving messages from the same spirits! Obviously they werent(very obviously if you'd seen it!)but surely this act is leaving them open to ridicule! If you believe one person can contact your dead relative,then how are two supposed to!?
It looked ridiculous! I hope they tour near me,Ill put them straight!!
Why? Why? Why? Would Auntie Gladys speak to two mediums in the same place at the same time? To me this shoots down any credibility they could possibly have! ;)

[jambo372]

I didn't know they were the best.
I have known many who are potentially better.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
I didn't know they were the best.
I have known many who are potentially better.
Only in your imagination jambo.As they are all as bad as one another.Dont bother replying without supplying evidence,there's a good boy......;)

[jambo372]

I have personal proof.

[Psiload]

Originally posted by jambo372
I didn't know they were the best.
I have known many who are potentially better.
Let me guess... they're sooper dooper fantabulously accurate psychic mediums... when they're in the basement of your spiritualist church.

But when they walk back out in light of day, they choose to put on their spectacles, turn back into Clark Kent, and remain anonymous? Right?

The purple dragon in my garage is that way too.

[jambo372]

There's no basement. They work on the platform. It must be fun to give messages from that platform.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
There's no basement. They work on the platform. It must be fun to give messages from that platform.
Fun,but nonetheless fake!:D

[Ashles]

We must pay no more heed to Jambo. He is a prankster pretending to believe in all these fairy stories when really he is having an elaborate (if rather lengthy) joke.

Ha Ha Jambo.

Very amusing.

You can stop now.

[jambo372]

What fairy stories ?

[Ashles]

No, honestly stop it now.

[Azrael 5]

Maybe changing your name jambo would help. Hans Christian Anderson perhaps?;)

[jambo372]

Jambo isn't my real name.
Also, I believe.

[Ashles]

In every drop of rain that falls?

[Temp3st]

Originally posted by jambo372
There's no basement. They work on the platform. It must be fun to give messages from that platform.

Didn't they used to hang people from a platform?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
I have personal proof.

Let's see it, then. Put up or shut up.

[Azrael 5]

Guess which he'll do everyone..?;)

[scotth]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Guess which he'll do everyone..?;)

Neither, I am sure.

[jambo372]

What part of personal did you have problems with ?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by jambo372
What part of personal did you have problems with ?

If by 'personal' proof you mean that you have seen something that convinces you personally but that isn't available for all the world to see, you could at the very least explain what this marvelous piece of evidence is.

[jambo372]

A demonstration of mediumship.

[Nyarlathotep]

I assume that. I meant something more specific, especially what it was that convinced you that the medium in question was the Real Dealtm and not some guy doing a magic trick.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I assume that. I meant something more specific, especially what it was that convinced you that the medium in question was the Real Dealtm and not some guy doing a magic trick.
jambo you know the rules on here,give us some hard evidence,published accounts of true phenomena or do what 1inChrist did......;)

[The Mighty Thor]

A psychic double act sounds like a good ploy, mind you. They have two times the cold reading, hot reading, and imaginative interpretation. I suppose that believers would accept that if the spirit of Aunt Gladys is "there", then two people with the same "talent" could connect with her at one time, just as the same "controls" came to different mediums of old.

But, like the Three Tenors, I imagine the innate competition would be hilarious. I wonder how long two such psychic prima donnas will take to fall out? A psychic bitch fight would be entertaining.

I wonder if they have to "tune up", like a band tuning to the same key? How would a choir of psychics sound?

After his humiliating exposure at the Scole séance, it is amazing that Colin Fry has re-invented himself.

Do these types put on the camp style in order to seem somehow "more sensitive"? I wonder what the psychology behind that would reveal?

Psychic double act:

Colin: I'm getting a strong feeling of a J or an M sound from this area of the audience.

Dupe: My dad was called Norman. Are you sure it was a M, and not an N?

Psychic 2: Yes, Colin. I think you are getting deaf. I definitely got an N. In fact, before you spoke I was just about to say "anyone in this area know a Norman?".

Colin: Bitch!

etc.

[jambo372]

We've had double acts before ... we've had brother and sister on the platform.
We've also had trios.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
jambo you know the rules on here,give us some hard evidence,published accounts of true phenomena or do what 1inChrist did......;)

Jambo wins this debate?

[jambo372]

Yes.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by jambo372
Yes.

I don't think so. In fact, I win this debate.

Argument by being contrary and snarky at the same.

Seriously, though, I am genuinely interested in an answer to my question. What did you see in this demonstration that convinced you of the reality of mediumship?

[jambo372]

Rare Names and characteristics not obtainable by hot reading.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I don't think so. In fact, I win this debate.

Argument by being contrary and snarky at the same.

Seriously, though, I am genuinely interested in an answer to my question. What did you see in this demonstration that convinced you of the reality of mediumship?

Jambo secretly Pm'd me the answer Nyarlarthotep,here it is:



























:D :D

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by jambo372
Rare Names and characteristics not obtainable by hot reading.

Well, without more details I can't really say much except for this; if someone is going to 'hot read' you, you would be amazed on what you can turn up with a little bit of effort.

When I first began dating my wife, she surprised me one day by telling me my middle name (which is unusual), my birthdate, an old injury I had and my old address. I was shocked since I was certain I had told her none of those things.

I won't go into details, but it turns out that thanks to her job, she had come across a workmans comp claim I had made a few years before. This contained all that information and more

Another time I was bored and was typing the names of people I knew into google and I came across a family tree made by a realative of my best friend, thus giving me the names of several uncles, aunts and cousins of his that I would not have known otherwise.

These days turning up info on someone isn't all that hard.

[jambo372]

And if it's the first time a medium meets you ?

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by jambo372
And if it's the first time a medium meets you ?

I couldn't say without details, but like I said, there are a zillion ways, legal and otherwise, to find things out about people in this day and age. So I wouldn't be all that impressed by such a thing, that's all.

[Azrael 5]

Jambo I believe we've been down this road before and you didnt get very far then.As I recall its all anecdotal information and about as much use as a chocolate teapot!;)

[jambo372]

Israel 5
I did say personal proof.

[Azrael 5]

Its Azrael 5,,but nonetheless personal proof isnt much use;go get some actual proof! Sometime this lifetime would be nice!:p

[SezMe]

Originally posted by The Mighty Thor
<snip>
After his humiliating exposure at the Scole séance, it is amazing that Colin Fry has re-invented himself.
This sounds interesting...can you say more about it or provide links for details. Thanks

[Azrael 5]

Google Colin Fry fake medium and that should throw up some info.;)

[tonyyouens]

After much digging I have (with the help of a friend) turned up the original article about Fry (aka 'Lincoln') in Psychic News.

See: http://www.tonyyouens.com/psychic_news.htm

Tony Youens

[Sharon]

I watched 5 minutes of this show, I was channel flicking.

Tony Stockwell got VERY excited saying he had someone who had died in the/or near the woods, woods where important, he was stressing this. No response from the audience ( I will say he looked quite put out by this). Then Cloin ( doing a Derren Brown) managed to take it another route. It was indeed someone who died on a bus, but they lived near the woods, completley nothing like Tony's original message, I was SO frustrated I could have screamed. I sat there thinking…Just shows what you can do with a bit of storytelling and imagination. I then channelled flicked again, I’d had enough.

Sharon
;)

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
And if it's the first time a medium meets you ?

Well last week a magician who does not claim to be psychic called my full name (no initials or part of a name but my full first and last name) out to the audience I was in and then proceeded to give very detailed information about the recent accident my cat had suffered. He knew that it was a road accident that the cat was insured and even that his name was Boris.

Should I now believe that this person has some fantastic unknown ability or should I consider there may be some clever but mundane way he got this information?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Darat
Well last week a magician who does not claim to be psychic called my full name (no initials or part of a name but my full first and last name) out to the audience I was in and then proceeded to give very detailed information about the recent accident my cat had suffered. He knew that it was a road accident that the cat was insured and even that his name was Boris.

Should I now believe that this person has some fantastic unknown ability or should I consider there may be some clever but mundane way he got this information?

Banachek is very, very good. He reads the forum, I'm sure. And you are not exactly the most anonymous poster here... ;)

[Darat]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Banachek is very, very good. He reads the forum, I'm sure. And you are not exactly the most anonymous poster here... ;)

Are you saying he doesn’t have supernatural powers :eek: ? Mind you I suppose his astounding accuracy was proof that he doesn't... :D

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Darat
Are you saying he doesn’t have supernatural powers :eek: ?

No, and he is even better than any psychic I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Darat
Mind you I suppose his astounding accuracy was proof that he doesn't... :D

True. He should have failed a couple of times, that would have proven that he was a real psychic....

[jambo372]

Darat
You BOOK A TICKET to go to see a magicians act, the information you give can be used for hot reading.
On the other hand at a spiritualist church you just show up without prior warning.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
Darat
You BOOK A TICKET to go to see a magicians act, the information you give can be used for hot reading.
On the other hand at a spiritualist church you just show up without prior warning.

Mediums don't have waiting lists??

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by jambo372
Darat
You BOOK A TICKET to go to see a magicians act, the information you give can be used for hot reading.
On the other hand at a spiritualist church you just show up without prior warning.

Not necessarily on both counts. The last time I went to go see a magician I just paid cash the night of the event. So the only information I was givng about myself would be that at some point earlier in the evening I had $20 in wallet.

As for the spiritualist church, if it is like any other church, many of the same people will show up from week to week. So it would be a snap to compile info on the regulars and even the semi-regulars. In fact, in Victorian times there were 'blue books' circulating in spirituatlist circles containing lots of little details of people who frequented spiritualists. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some high tech equivalent existed today.

[Darat]

(Edited to add: If you read Nyarlathotep's post above then you can move on.)

Originally posted by jambo372
Darat
You BOOK A TICKET to go to see a magicians act, the information you give can be used for hot reading.
On the other hand at a spiritualist church you just show up without prior warning.

Nonsense. For a start how about if someone else paid for my ticket, what ha[p[en if someone just turns up on the night and pays cash for a ticket and so on?

Secondly most spiritualist churches will have (like most churches) a fairly constant congregation, so easy pickings for a medium if they wanted to find out about people likely to be in the audience beforehand (plus consider the proven technique that some mediums have employed of passing information about their audiences to one another). Consider also that many congregations arrange trips to other churches and venues to see a particular medium and again there is the opportunity for easy hot reading.

Overall there is plenty of opportunity for “hot readings� at a Spiritualist Church, if it was necessary.

[Nyarlathotep]

Whoa, we even made the points in the same order.

Cue Twilight Zone theme....

[jambo372]

Who paid for your ticket ?
Also there are many newcomers to the spiritualist church who got messages that hot reading wouldn't be able to account for and were too accurate to be cold reading.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
Also there are many newcomers to the spiritualist church who got messages that hot reading wouldn't be able to account for and were too accurate to be cold reading.

Claims like that doesn't cut it here. You need to prove it.

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by jambo372
Who paid for your ticket ?
Also there are many newcomers to the spiritualist church who got messages that hot reading wouldn't be able to account for and were too accurate to be cold reading.
Now, why don't I believe that is true?

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
Who paid for your ticket ?
Also there are many newcomers to the spiritualist church who got messages that hot reading wouldn't be able to account for and were too accurate to be cold reading.

Jambo have you ever provided evidence on this forum? :p

[jambo372]

Yes
Have you, Israel 5 ?

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
Yes
Have you, Israel 5 ?
Get the name right,I dont make outlandish claims that need backing up,you do!;)

[jambo372]

You have made such claims AZrael 5 ...
You claim psi phenomena doesn't exist.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
You have made such claims AZrael 5 ...
You claim psi phenomena doesn't exist.

I don't care. Prove that psi phenomena exists.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
Who paid for your ticket ?
Also there are many newcomers to the spiritualist church who got messages that hot reading wouldn't be able to account for and were too accurate to be cold reading.

What level of accuracy did you use to determine that the "accurate" readings couldn't have been "cold reading" or is that just your opinion?

[jambo372]

Darat
I posted some of these readings a while ago in another thread, by two of my favourite mediums which are obviously too accurate to have been cold reading and I explained why hot reading couldn't have been used. If you want an idea of the accuracy judge them for yourself.

The thread was entitled
Thought for the day on BBC Radio 4.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
Darat
I posted some of these readings in another thread, by two of my favourite mediums which are obviously too accurate to have been cold reading and I explained why hot reading couldn't have been used.

Don't repeat your claims. Show the evidence.

Put up or shut up.

[jambo372]

This is a piece of my personal evidence.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
This is a piece of my personal evidence.

It is also a piece of my personal evidence that Santa exists.

Please explain the difference. If you cannot, then...what?

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
So the only information I was givng about myself would be that at some point earlier in the evening I had $20 in wallet.

Maybe that's the uncanny information that Jambo was referring to? :D

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
Darat
I posted some of these readings a while ago in another thread, by two of my favourite mediums which are obviously too accurate to have been cold reading and I explained why hot reading couldn't have been used. If you want an idea of the accuracy judge them for yourself.

The thread was entitled
Thought for the day on BBC Radio 4.

As far as I can see you did not in that thread answer my question which was (and still is) What level of accuracy did you use to determine that the "accurate" readings couldn't have been "cold reading" or is that just your opinion?

Since you have determined that cold reading couldn’t account for the readings you posted about you must have (unless it's just your opinion) some way of measuring the accuracy of readings that can then be used to determine if a reading was cold, hot or a genuine reading.

Can you please share that system with me?

[jambo372]

It obviously wasn't cold reading as the mediums asked no questions and provided several details too uncommon to be obtained by educated guesses.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
It obviously wasn't cold reading as the mediums asked no questions and provided several details too uncommon to be obtained by educated guesses.

Prove it. Or shut up.

[jambo372]

Prove what ?

[Azrael 5]

on 2-12-04 Snitch wrote..:
Sorry jambo372 but your just not getting this, I keep saying that anecdotes are not suitable as evidence and so you provide me with yet more anecdotes.

Has anything changed....?

On 7-12-2004 Ashles wrote(on subject of mediums):-No jambo, no-one has EVER proved this.Just repeating yourself and denying it will not make it true.

If you can produce one single example of a proven case of contacting the dead then please do.

But you can't because it has never happened.

Hope we're clear on that now.

This is from the thread you mentioned Jambo "Thought for the day..."
Seems we are continually going in circles and you dodge the issue more and more :D

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
Prove what ?

That it wasn't cold reading as the mediums asked no questions and provided several details too uncommon to be obtained by educated guesses.

What details? Why were they too uncommon to be obtained by educated guesses? Explain the process, and why it wasn't cold reading.

Just don't tell me that those details are secret, because you have then failed to provide any evidence at all.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
It obviously wasn't cold reading as the mediums asked no questions and provided several details too uncommon to be obtained by educated guesses.

It would appear that you are not aware of what the term "cold reading" is commonly used to mean. It is not just asking questions and educated guesses.

Plus you've now repeated the same claim several times so I'll ask again: what system do you use to determine the accuracy of a reading? And from that what is the "number" that tells you if it is a cold, hot or "genuine" reading?

Simply stating "it's obvious" is just an acknowledgement that all you are offering is an unsubstantiated opinion. Will you acknowledge that you have (so far at least) not provided any evidence for your stated claim that mediums can communicate with the dead?

[jambo372]

I am perfectly aware of how cold reading operates.
If you read the dialect from the other thread you'll know what I meant by 'uncommon details inobtainable by cold reading'.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
I am perfectly aware of how cold reading operates.
If you read the dialect from the other thread you'll know what I meant by 'uncommon details inobtainable by cold reading'.

I'm sorry it was just your summary seemed to indicate that you thought cold reading was just educated guesses and asking questions. I'm glad you know more about it then that.

Back to my questions:

Plus you've now repeated the same claim several times so I'll ask again: what system do you use to determine the accuracy of a reading? And from that what is the "number" that tells you if it is a cold, hot or "genuine" reading?

Simply stating "it's obvious" is just an acknowledgement that all you are offering is an unsubstantiated opinion. Will you acknowledge that you have (so far at least) not provided any evidence for your stated claim that mediums can communicate with the dead?

[jambo372]

What system did I use to work out the accuracy ?
I didn't need a system they got every detail absolutely correct hence 100 % accuracy.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
I am perfectly aware of how cold reading operates.
If you read the dialect from the other thread you'll know what I meant by 'uncommon details inobtainable by cold reading'.

You have not provided evidence of your claims. Please do so.

Put up or shut up.

[jambo372]

What claims ?

[The Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by jambo372
What system did I use to work out the accuracy ?
I didn't need a system they got every detail absolutely correct hence 100 % accuracy.

Then how did you rule out hot reading? Have the girls that were read ever returned? Have you questioned them about the readings?

[jambo372]

They came back once. They don't know GD.

[The Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by jambo372
What system did I use to work out the accuracy ?
I didn't need a system they got every detail absolutely correct hence 100 % accuracy.

Then how did you rule out hot reading? Have the girls that were read ever returned? Have you questioned them about the readings?

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
What system did I use to work out the accuracy ?
I didn't need a system they got every detail absolutely correct hence 100 % accuracy.

OK, so it's just your belief that they communicate with the dead and you have done no work to find evidence or otherwise substantiate your belief. Therefore you are in a bit of dilemma in that you have no way to convince anyone who does not already share your belief that your belief is correct. In other words your belief is like most religious beliefs and is just a matter of faith.

(Edited for words.)

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
What claims ?

You know perfectly well what I am talking about. You merely feign ignorance to avoid proving your claims.

Feh.

[juninho]

Originally posted by jambo372
Darat
I posted some of these readings a while ago in another thread, by two of my favourite mediums which are obviously too accurate to have been cold reading and I explained why hot reading couldn't have been used. If you want an idea of the accuracy judge them for yourself.


OK. For the sake of looking at this logically, we will assume that there was no hot reading involved. However, this does not mean you can rule out cold reading just because these two readings appear accurate.

This is the problem you face - you and the majority of the "believers" suffer from being overly selective in counting the hits and dismissing the misses. Then, to further compound a bad situation, misses are manipulated so they can be fitted into hits.

Put plainly, these mediums do hundreds and thousands of readings throughout their careers, I suggest that it is a statistical certainty that one or more of these readings would be extremely accurate. To then selectively cite these readings as proof of some magical "gift" is a logical fallicy.

[RonSceptic]

Having seen 'Messiah' I would say that Derren Brown is easily he best TV medium in Britiain.

I guess we should exclude him on the grounds that he achieves his results by cheating, misdirection, cold reading and other trickery.

Whereas the others are obviously gifted supermen with an open ended chat line to heaven.:rolleyes:

The reason they are called mediums is that they are not very rare, and seldom well done. I'd steak my reputation on it.

If you believe in TV mediums you will believe in anything.

[jambo372]

I point out his and disregard misses ?
Impossible with these readings since there were no misses to ignore. I have substantiated my belief.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
I point out his and disregard misses ?
Impossible with these readings since there were no misses to ignore. I have substantiated my belief.

You may think you have but you haven't. Merely re-stating your opinion will not make it into a fact.

Again I ask you how did you determine that the readings you claim happened could not have been anything but genuine communication from the dead?

[jambo372]

"You may think you have but you haven't ."
How would you know ?
You weren't at the meeting.

I have already explained why it must have been genuine ... they gave uncommon details, there was nothing on the person's being to give clues and they asked no questions, the body language was normal not giving anything major away. The people had never set foot in a spiritualist church in their life and showed up without prior warning.

[Ashles]

Jambo, Darat was saying that you haven't sunstantiated your belief. Which you haven't.

You are telling us about an amazing totally 100% medium who can't possibly be using Hot or Cold reading.

This is ludicrous.

Firstly I can tell you I have met every medium and reader who has ever visited a spiritualist church in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland and they all admitted to me they were fake.

This is equally anecdotal and provable as your claim. So it has equal weight.
Maybe I'm lying. Maybe you're lying.
Hard to say isn't it?

Then you say you can rule out Hot and Cold reading but never explain how.
The point of Hot reading is that you don't think it is hot reading. Duh!

Firstly how do you know they never set foot inside one before? Secondly how do you know which friends or relatives of theirs might be regular visitors.
Thirdly how do you know that nothing they said earlier on may have been overheard?
etc.

In fact how do you know anything about them at all?


And once more, why don't they win the million dollars and help sick children?
They will make Randi look stupid, prove to the world that there is life after death (how wonderful would that be!) and help many sick children.

Why do you think they won't apply Jambo?

Go on, have a good hard think about it...

[jambo372]

Ashles
You claim to have met every medium working in British spiritualist churches ? As if I believe that, never mind believe they all confessed to fraud.
Do you know any of these mediums :
Ina Brown
Alision Reid
Joan Clark
Eppie Graham
Ann McCutcheon
Christine McClachy
Max Taylor
Hugh Hunter
Ricky Martin ( not the singer )
Maureen Land
Rebecca Baithers
Glynnis Dailly
Don Galloway
Liz Kennedy
Sally Buxton
Diane Mitchell
David Nicholl
Violet Berry ( I swear this is the real name)
Nancy Paterson
Tom Drummond
Ian Shanes
Iris Forsyth
Jerry Riley
Marian Grant
Margaret McCart ? ...
to mention but a few. If you don't know them all then you obviously don't know every UK spiritualist medium. These are nearly all just in Scotland with a few exceptions. Do you recognise the names ?

[Ashles]

Hmm it would seem unlikely that I'd met every one wouldn't it?

Yet still not as unlikely as you meeting a genuine medium who is 100% correct all the time.

Still as this is an internet forum I guess we will have to assume each other is telling the abolute truth won't we.


And I continue to await your answer to my quesion about the million dollars.

Why aren't they applying?

[Nyarlathotep]

Did anyone hear a whooshing sound just now?

That was the sound of a point sailing so far over Jambo's head that it nearly collided with an airplane.

[jambo372]

I think they haven't applied because either :
a) They don't even know who Randi is never mind know about the challenge.
b) They don't trust Randi.

Do you know any of the people I mentioned ?

[Ashles]

Well let's sort this out straight away Jambo:
a) They don't even know who Randi is never mind know about the challenge.
Well you can tell them and direct them to the Challenge Application (http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html)
There, that's sorted out that objection

b) They don't trust Randi.
What reason would they have to mistrust Randi?
Their ability will be very clear and easy to test.
They can post their suggested test on the Million Dollar Challenge board so we can all see it and Randi can't pretend he hasn't seen it.
If it is a reasonable protocol (and with this reader's ability this should be easy to agree) a test could be set up in no time.
If she passes and Randi reneges she can sue, and also publish the details and ruin Randi.

What's not to trust exactly Jambo?

[Azrael 5]

Ashles did say he may be lying jambo ,plus he was making a comparison with what you were saying..do keep up.
You seem to have a lot of names in your list ,how come? In another thread you struggled to remember Glynnis Dailly,now youve got a whole batch of them!

Regards your 100% proof,as I recall you didnt tape record it,merely took notes re-inforced by memory no doubt.Equals anecdotal evidence

Here's my challenge jambo:I will personally pay to have a sitting with any of the mediums on the list-you forward me their details-and Ill prove to you and them,that they are just frauds.Anytime you're ready!

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
a) They don't even know who Randi is never mind know about the challenge.

I know that quite a few of them know, but don't dare be tested properly. That goes for astrologers, dowsers, healers, etc.

Originally posted by jambo372
b) They don't trust Randi.

Trust is irrelevant. The Challenge is set up so both participants, JREF and the applicant, agree to a test.

There is absolutely no excuse for not taking the challenge.

[jambo372]

Azrael 5
I don't know their details.

[Ashles]

*sigh*

So where did you get that list from then Jambo?

[Psiload]

Originally posted by jambo372
Ashles
You claim to have met every medium working in British spiritualist churches ? As if I believe that, never mind believe they all confessed to fraud.
Do you know any of these mediums :
Ina Brown
Alision Reid
Joan Clark
Eppie Graham
Ann McCutcheon
Christine McClachy
Max Taylor
Hugh Hunter
Ricky Martin ( not the singer )
Maureen Land
Rebecca Baithers
Glynnis Dailly
Don Galloway
Liz Kennedy
Sally Buxton
Diane Mitchell
David Nicholl
Violet Berry ( I swear this is the real name)
Nancy Paterson
Tom Drummond
Ian Shanes
Iris Forsyth
Jerry Riley
Marian Grant
Margaret McCart ? ...
to mention but a few. If you don't know them all then you obviously don't know every UK spiritualist medium. These are nearly all just in Scotland with a few exceptions. Do you recognise the names ?

I've never heard of a single person on this list, yet these are supposedly the "real deal" psychic mediums?

Why does the psychic game work like that? All of the obvious frauds get television shows, pack arenas, and command $400/hour fees, while all of the "astonishingly accurate" psychics labor in obscurity in basements, and rural churches?

[Ashles]

Why does the psychic game work like that? All of the obvious frauds get television shows, pack arenas, and command $400/hour fees, while all of the "astonishingly accurate" psychics labor in obscurity in basements, and rural churches?
Psiload, you know full well that they don't like the attention.
And they won't accept money for it (even though they could give it to charity).
And don't forget the Government would want to do tests on them (although the Government could find them in about 8 minutes at any spiritualist church).
And they often 'don't want' their gift (despite the fact they use it at every given opportunity and tell anyone new they meet about it in about 4.5 seconds).

And...

Oh I'll leave Jambo to fill in the usual excuses.

[Azrael 5]

And don't forget the Government would want to do tests on them (although the Government could find them in about 8 minutes at any spiritualist church).
Lol:D
Did we mention their powers cant be used for financial gain,yet they still charge for any reading.;)

[Ashles]

I see Jambo couldn't answer the questions about why his special mediums would mistrust Randi.

Or how he has a great big list of excellent readers. But doesn't know their details (?)

Maybe all this excitement has tired him out and it's time for his nap.

Here jambo, I've found a nice pillow for you:

http://www.kansasoz.com/719.jpg

[Psiload]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Lol:D
Did we mention their powers cant be used for financial gain,yet they still charge for any reading.;)

Strange how the psychics have such a hard time reconciling their abilities to any kind of scientific verification... "What I do is spiritual, and the spiritual cannot be measured by the materialistic." Yet when it comes time to slap a price tag on their services... Hoo Boy! Lookout! I take Visa, Mastercard, and Amex! Suddenly they can list their services like commodities on the stock exchange, and trade them like so many pork bellies.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Psiload
Why does the psychic game work like that? All of the obvious frauds get television shows, pack arenas, and command $400/hour fees, while all of the "astonishingly accurate" psychics labor in obscurity in basements, and rural churches?

How's this?

They are "astonishingly accurate" right up until the moment they get so famous that skeptics start investigating and point out that they are nothing but the same old run-of-the-mill scam cold-readers.

It's just a suggestion, of course. But, somehow, I have a feeling that John Edward had the same glowing recommendations, when he was peddling his stuff on Long Island, before he got famous.

I believe that Jeff Corey can elaborate on this.

[Dr Adequate]

I'd like to punch John Edward's smug, grinning face.

http://www.johnedward.net/Capture_00177.jpg

It's not that I've got anything against the man, mind you.

But you should always try to strike a happy medium.

[jambo372]

The list is made up mostly of mediums who are on the register at the spiritualist church.

Psiload
They never charge for readings.

Also it is not up to me to tell the mediums about his challenge.
They probably don't trust him for the same reasons I don't.

[CFLarsen]

jambo372,

I want to ask you a question. Actually, a couple.

Do you think you will persuade anyone - especially on this forum - with this extremely flimsy "evidence" you are presenting here? If so, how? Why should we be persuaded?

You come here, and you argue your case. Fine. But we don't find it convincing at all. Anecdotes are not convincing, because we cannot see the difference between anecdotes about mediumship and anecdotes about fairies. There is none - and you sure as heck cannot explain what the difference is.

You are free to ignore this post, or even try to bat your eyes and try to act oh-so-innocently. But that won't cut it here.

Surely, you must realize that.

Which lead to the second question: What the hell are you here for?

[jambo372]

The anecdotes are to defend my beliefs, not to convince anyone.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I am seeing if anything sceptics can say or evidence they can give can convince me of otherwise. So far they certainly can't.

[jmercer]

:tr:

[Azrael 5]

Jambo do you believe in fairies,the Loch Ness monster(a good one for you being Scottish)Atlantis if not why not?
You believe in one fallacy,surely you must believe in them all? As you have no evidence for belief in mediums and there is no evidence for any of the others>So its all the same to you,no? ;)

[jambo372]

I don't believe in atlantis. i don't believe in the loch ness monster although my relations in Inverness claim it exists. I don't have any evidence for this.

I believe in mediumshp because the mediums have given me evidence.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
I don't believe in atlantis. i don't believe in the loch ness monster although my relations in Inverness claim it exists. I don't have any evidence for this.

I believe in mediumshp because the mediums have given me evidence.
Well kindly post it here then,along with what sets it apart from any other possibility.How many times do you need asking?

[JPK]

Good evening Jambo372.
Unfortunately, we have to start with the fact that you have stated in the past that you are obligated to believe in mediums by your spiritualist church. Now on to your transcripts of the readings you posted. If these people that were read for were as obligated as you, perhaps even more,(if that can be possible) they just might answer “yes� to anything the medium says.
These readings were done in front of the entire congregation if I remember correctly.
The atmosphere created in that environment along with the desire to believe, will have these people answering “YES� to anything the medium said even if it wasn’t true.
Do you know the people those readings were done for? Can you verify that what they were confirming was in fact true? For that matter can you be sure they were not stooges brought in by the medium to impress the easily duped? Let’s face it, you were extremely impressed.
In the set-up you describe, the medium doesn’t have to perform well at all. The audience has already made up their minds to believe. They will ignore the hits and misses. You are not in position to dispute this as you have demonstrated repeatedly that you need to believe in the mediums powers. You can easily prove me wrong. Bring a recorder with you to one of these meetings at you garage, I mean church, and record it.

JPK

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by jambo372
The anecdotes are to defend my beliefs, not to convince anyone.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I am seeing if anything sceptics can say or evidence they can give can convince me of otherwise. So far they certainly can't.

Well, we can probably call an end to it right now, then. I can confidently say that nothing will shake your beliefs. You do not appear to have the capacity to leave them behind, yet you appear to be happy that way.

However, you have demonstrated for other readers the perils of abandoning reason, so thanks for that.

Cheerio!

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
Well, we can probably call an end to it right now, then. I can confidently say that nothing will shake your beliefs. You do not appear to have the capacity to leave them behind, yet you appear to be happy that way.


However, you have demonstrated for other readers the perils of abandoning reason, so thanks for that.

Cheerio!

All hail theboypaj! :D

[Ashles]

Also it is not up to me to tell the mediums about his challenge.

Why is it not up to you to inform these mediums about the challenge? Do you hate sick children too jambo?

Oh sorry I forgot. Questioning these wonderful people's abilities or suggesting a test might get you shunned and kicked out.

You might want to ask yourself why that is. Or you might want to continue ignoring that thorny issue is it might raise questions you don't really want answered.
They probably don't trust him for the same reasons I don't.
When someone asks you why someone doesn't trust someone, "The same reason I don't" isn't actually an answer if we don't know why you don't.
It's just an attempt to avoid answering the question.

So why don't you (and by inference the mediums) trust the JREF million dollar challenge?

You seemed to trust it enough to enquire about testing protocol for psychokinesis.

So come on jambo - what reasons do you have for not trusting the challenge?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
The anecdotes are to defend my beliefs, not to convince anyone.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I am seeing if anything sceptics can say or evidence they can give can convince me of otherwise. So far they certainly can't.

What, exactly, will it take, then?

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
...snip...

I believe in mediumshp because the mediums have given me evidence.

Can you give us the evidence you were supplied with?

[jambo372]

Ashles
I only enquired about testing protocols - that doesn't mean I trust Randi or his challenge. I've explained in earlier threads why I distrust Randi and think he's fly.

JPK
The congregation doesn't lie to make the medium look better - they're told not to.

Darat
I've told you already the evidence was in the sittings, it can't be passed on.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
...snip...

Darat
I've told you already the evidence was in the sittings, it can't be passed on.

To be honest I find your repetitions and evasions (almost) exasperating - why do you keep saying you have proof (to paraphrase) of mediumship’s ability to communicate with the dead when you don’t? What you have is a personal faith that some mediums are real, you have no way of persuading anyone who uses facts and reason to form their conclusions that your beliefs are anymore valid then say someone who believes mediums communicate with Gaia’s overmind.

(Edited for an Edited for words.)

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
I've told you already the evidence was in the sittings, it can't be passed on.

You do realize that this is in no way compelling at all?

In fact, it is downright insulting to anyone with a functioning brain. You cannot explain the difference between these mediums of yours and crooks, yet you ask us to believe that your judgment is good enough to determine the difference?

Can you understand why I feel quite miffed at your superior attitude here?

[Mojo]

Originally posted by jambo372
the evidence was in the sittings, it can't be passed on.
That's kind of convenient for you.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by jambo372
Ashles
I only enquired about testing protocols - that doesn't mean I trust Randi or his challenge. I've explained in earlier threads why I distrust Randi and think he's fly.


But would you go so far as to say that he is superfly?
Is he a bad mother?

Can you dig it?

[Mojo]

Originally posted by jambo372
They never charge for readings.
Let me guess...

Did they tell you they were collecting the money for charity?

[jambo372]

No they didn't say they were collecting charity money. I don't spend money at spooky meetings except for my raffle tickets.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Mojo
That's kind of convenient for you.

Very.

But that was the general idea, wasn't it?

[Mojo]

Originally posted by jambo372
No they didn't say they were collecting charity money. I don't spend money at spooky meetings except for my raffle tickets.
Where do the proceeds of the raffle go?

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372

JPK
The congregation doesn't lie to make the medium look better - they're told not to.
[/B]
Oh,thatt makes all the difference!! There is a fine line between not lying and twisting information given to fit their experiences.

e.g Medium" Does someone accept Margaret lived near the sea..had chest problems?"
Sitter:" My Aunt Mary liked going to Blackpool every year and watching the sea,she died of heart attack!"

You are as convincing as

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/scooby.jpg :D

[Mojo]

Originally posted by jambo372
I don't spend money at spooky meetings except for my raffle tickets.
I assume you're not the only person there. Does anyone else spend money?

[jambo372]

The proceeds of the raffle go towards the electric and water bills for the building. It also goes towards buying new statues, mirrors, dreamcatchers, artificial bouquets, tea and coffee etc.
Why do you ask ?
We also give a donation for the same purpose.
I basically keeps the movement in operation and they couldn't do it without the money we give.

[Azrael 5]

From here http://www.lighthousespiritualcentre.ca/Spiritualism.htm

Spiritualism is the science, philosophy and religion of continuous life of the spirit as proven by communication with those in the spirit world via mediums.

A science,no less...:D

[Azrael 5]

Recognise any of these jambo?

Aberdeen Aberdeen SNU Church
71 Dee Street, Aberdeen, AB1 2EE
Bon Accord SNU Church
41 Loch Street, Aberdeen, AB1 1DD
Airdrie Spiritual Church of Life & Light
Room 2, Airdrie Town Hall, Stirling Street
Airdrie, North Lanarkshire Tel: 01236-767007
Alloa Alloa SNU Church
Lower Town Hall, Marshill, Alloa
Arbroath Arbroath SNU Church
20-22 Commerce Street, Arbroath, DD11 1NB
Return to the Master Locator
Ayr Ayr SNU Church
10 Alloway Place, Ayr, KA7 2AA
Barry The Spirit Lodge Sanctuary
Post Office House, Barry by Carnoustie, Angus, DD7 7RP
Tel: 01241 855269 Meeting Every Monday 6:30 - 8:30 PM
Dumfrees Dumfrees SNU Church
7Community Education Offices, 29 Irish St., Dumfries
Dundee Dundee Church of the Spirit
142 Nethergate, Dundee, DD4 8RS
Dundee Progressive Church
St. Davids Rooms, Nethergate, Dundee
Dunfermline Dunfermline SNU Church
3 Lady Campbells Walk, Dunfermline, KY12 0TL
Dunfermline ASK
Contact: Gen. Secretary
5 Mowbray House, Main St. Halbeath, Dunfermlin KY11 8EE
Phone: 078660 24607
Fax: 01383728798
Please visit our website.
Return to the Master Locator
East Lothian East Lothian Spiritualist
Contact: Roberta Gordn
16 Muirfield Cres., Gullane East Lothian EH31 2HN
Tel: 0162 0843880
Monday: 7:30 PM Weekly Meeting as Prestonpans Town Hall

Edinburgh Edinburgh SNU Church
34 Albany Street, Edinburgh, EH1 3QH
Edinburgh Association of Spirit
246 Morrison Street, Edinburgh, EH5 8DT
Edinburgh College of Parapsychology
2 Melville Street, Edinburgh
Portobello Spiritualist Church
20A Bath Street, Edinburgh EH15 1HD
Tel: 0131 669 4780
Sunday: 6:30 PM Evening Service
Tuesday: 7:30 PM Clairvoyant Service
Wednesday: 7:30 PM Meditation & Healing
Friday: 2:30 PM Clairvoyance
Naming, Marriage & Funeral Services
Access & facilities for differently-abled.
Falkirk Falkirk SNU Church
8 Burnhead Lane, East High Street, Falkirk
Glasgow Glasgow Association of Spirit
6-7 Somerset Place, Sauchiehall Street, G3 7JT
Return to the Master Locator
Glasgow Central SNU Church
64 Berkeley Street, Glasgow, G3 7DS
Glenrothes Glenrothes SNU Church
Tenants Meeting Rooms, St Regulus Gardens, Auchmuty.
Gourock The White Rose Fellowship
President Mrs Mary Armour
The Gamble Halls, Shore Street, Gourock
Hamilton Hamilton SNU Church
1 Park Road, Hamilton, ML3 6PD
Inverness The Inverness Spiritualist Church
17 St. Mary's Ave., Dalneigh
Pres. Mrs. Renee Cameron, 01463 713119
Meetings: Monday, 7:30 pm
Kilmarnock Kilmarnock SNU Church
30 Old Mill Road, Kilnarnock
Return to the Master Locator

Kinghorn Guiding Light Spiritualist Centre
Contact: Margaret Kerr (President)
Kinghorn Community Centre, Kinghorn, Fife
Tel: 01592 592594
Meetings are held on alternate Friday nights at 7.15pm Contact Margaret for full details of Dates and any change of times or send an e-mail
Kirkcaldy Kirkcaldy SNU Church
Victoria House, 13 Kirk Wynd, Kirkcaldy, Fife
Pathhead & Dysart SNU Church
Pathhead Halls, 145 Commercial St., Kirkcaldy
St. Clair Spiritualist Church
St. Clair Hall, St. Clair St., Kirkcaldy, Fife
Services: Sundays, 6:00 pm
Tuesdays: Developement Circle and Spiritual Healing, 7:00 pm
Langside Langside SNU Church
Langside Halls, 5 Langside Avenue, Glasgow, G41 2QR
Largs Largs Spiritualist Church
President Mrs Margaret Hornall
The Stevenston Institute, Largs
Lochgelly Lochgelly SNU Church
37-39 Bank Street, Lochgelly, Fife
Return to the Master Locator

Perth Perth SNU Church
40 Methven Buildings, Newrow, Perth, PH1 5QA
Shetland Shetland SNU Church
Freefield Centre, North Road, Letwick
Stewarton Stewarton SNU Church
35 High Street, Stewarton, Ayrshire
Stirling Stirling SNU Church
27 King Street, Stirling, FK8 1DN
West Lothian Livingston Spiritualist Church
Almond Valley Heritage Centre, Livingston
Tel: 01506 413746
Services: Tuesdays, 7:30 pm; Healing at 9:00 pm.
Scottish Association of Spiritual Healers
Dedridge Spiritualist Church
Crofthead Centre, Templar Rise, Dedridge, Livingston
Meetings: Wednesday, 7:30 pm
An independent church run by blind medium Billy Black
Broxburn Healing Light (Spiritualist Church)
Broxburn Bowling Club, off Station Road, Broxburn
Meetings: Monday, 7:30 pm

http://www.lighthousespiritualcentre.ca/Churches/churchscotland.html ;)

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
The proceeds of the raffle go towards the electric and water bills for the building. It also goes towards buying new statues, mirrors, dreamcatchers, artificial bouquets, tea and coffee etc.
Why do you ask ?
We also give a donation for the same purpose.
I basically keeps the movement in operation and they couldn't do it without the money we give.

Will you also give me money?

The reason I ask is that there seems to be no limit to the idiotic causes you give money to.

[jambo372]

I've been to the one in Airdrie town hall, Azrael.

CF Larsen
Isn't begging against the forum rules ?

[Azrael 5]

I think we may be getting nearer to jambo's fantastic medium Glynis Daily,but whilst I find actual transcripts of hers heres another scottish nutjob medium(Daily is mentioned in the article)But check out Roy!!


http://www.communigate.co.uk/lancs/blackburnspirtualistchurch/forum.phtml?action=message&phpforum_id=1906 ;)

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by jambo372
Isn't begging against the forum rules ?

No.

Will you also give me money? Yes or no. If no, please explain why.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Recognise any of these jambo?

Aberdeen Aberdeen SNU Church
71 Dee Street, Aberdeen, AB1 2EE
Bon Accord SNU Church
41 Loch Street, Aberdeen, AB1 1DD
Airdrie Spiritual Church of Life & Light
Room 2, Airdrie Town Hall, Stirling Street
Airdrie, North Lanarkshire Tel: 01236-767007
Alloa Alloa SNU Church
Lower Town Hall, Marshill, Alloa
Arbroath Arbroath SNU Church
20-22 Commerce Street, Arbroath, DD11 1NB
Return to the Master Locator
Ayr Ayr SNU Church
10 Alloway Place, Ayr, KA7 2AA
Barry The Spirit Lodge Sanctuary
Post Office House, Barry by Carnoustie, Angus, DD7 7RP
Tel: 01241 855269 Meeting Every Monday 6:30 - 8:30 PM
Dumfrees Dumfrees SNU Church
7Community Education Offices, 29 Irish St., Dumfries
Dundee Dundee Church of the Spirit
142 Nethergate, Dundee, DD4 8RS
Dundee Progressive Church
St. Davids Rooms, Nethergate, Dundee
Dunfermline Dunfermline SNU Church
3 Lady Campbells Walk, Dunfermline, KY12 0TL
Dunfermline ASK
Contact: Gen. Secretary
5 Mowbray House, Main St. Halbeath, Dunfermlin KY11 8EE
Phone: 078660 24607
Fax: 01383728798
Please visit our website.
Return to the Master Locator
East Lothian East Lothian Spiritualist
Contact: Roberta Gordn
16 Muirfield Cres., Gullane East Lothian EH31 2HN
Tel: 0162 0843880
Monday: 7:30 PM Weekly Meeting as Prestonpans Town Hall

Edinburgh Edinburgh SNU Church
34 Albany Street, Edinburgh, EH1 3QH
Edinburgh Association of Spirit
246 Morrison Street, Edinburgh, EH5 8DT
Edinburgh College of Parapsychology
2 Melville Street, Edinburgh
Portobello Spiritualist Church
20A Bath Street, Edinburgh EH15 1HD
Tel: 0131 669 4780
Sunday: 6:30 PM Evening Service
Tuesday: 7:30 PM Clairvoyant Service
Wednesday: 7:30 PM Meditation & Healing
Friday: 2:30 PM Clairvoyance
Naming, Marriage & Funeral Services
Access & facilities for differently-abled.
Falkirk Falkirk SNU Church
8 Burnhead Lane, East High Street, Falkirk
Glasgow Glasgow Association of Spirit
6-7 Somerset Place, Sauchiehall Street, G3 7JT
Return to the Master Locator
Glasgow Central SNU Church
64 Berkeley Street, Glasgow, G3 7DS
Glenrothes Glenrothes SNU Church
Tenants Meeting Rooms, St Regulus Gardens, Auchmuty.
Gourock The White Rose Fellowship
President Mrs Mary Armour
The Gamble Halls, Shore Street, Gourock
Hamilton Hamilton SNU Church
1 Park Road, Hamilton, ML3 6PD
Inverness The Inverness Spiritualist Church
17 St. Mary's Ave., Dalneigh
Pres. Mrs. Renee Cameron, 01463 713119
Meetings: Monday, 7:30 pm
Kilmarnock Kilmarnock SNU Church
30 Old Mill Road, Kilnarnock
Return to the Master Locator

Kinghorn Guiding Light Spiritualist Centre
Contact: Margaret Kerr (President)
Kinghorn Community Centre, Kinghorn, Fife
Tel: 01592 592594
Meetings are held on alternate Friday nights at 7.15pm Contact Margaret for full details of Dates and any change of times or send an e-mail
Kirkcaldy Kirkcaldy SNU Church
Victoria House, 13 Kirk Wynd, Kirkcaldy, Fife
Pathhead & Dysart SNU Church
Pathhead Halls, 145 Commercial St., Kirkcaldy
St. Clair Spiritualist Church
St. Clair Hall, St. Clair St., Kirkcaldy, Fife
Services: Sundays, 6:00 pm
Tuesdays: Developement Circle and Spiritual Healing, 7:00 pm
Langside Langside SNU Church
Langside Halls, 5 Langside Avenue, Glasgow, G41 2QR
Largs Largs Spiritualist Church
President Mrs Margaret Hornall
The Stevenston Institute, Largs
Lochgelly Lochgelly SNU Church
37-39 Bank Street, Lochgelly, Fife
Return to the Master Locator

Perth Perth SNU Church
40 Methven Buildings, Newrow, Perth, PH1 5QA
Shetland Shetland SNU Church
Freefield Centre, North Road, Letwick
Stewarton Stewarton SNU Church
35 High Street, Stewarton, Ayrshire
Stirling Stirling SNU Church
27 King Street, Stirling, FK8 1DN
West Lothian Livingston Spiritualist Church
Almond Valley Heritage Centre, Livingston
Tel: 01506 413746
Services: Tuesdays, 7:30 pm; Healing at 9:00 pm.
Scottish Association of Spiritual Healers
Dedridge Spiritualist Church
Crofthead Centre, Templar Rise, Dedridge, Livingston
Meetings: Wednesday, 7:30 pm
An independent church run by blind medium Billy Black
Broxburn Healing Light (Spiritualist Church)
Broxburn Bowling Club, off Station Road, Broxburn
Meetings: Monday, 7:30 pm

http://www.lighthousespiritualcentre.ca/Churches/churchscotland.html ;) Bloody Hell! The things you don't know about home!!!!! (And me a communicant member of the Church of Scotland, too.)

Rolfe.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Bloody Hell! The things you don't know about home!!!!! (And me a communicant member of the Church of Scotland, too.)

Rolfe.
Look better in bold dont they?! Think of the fun going to every one and exposing their guest mediums!!! ;) You could always send your question to the worldwide medium survey(its a riot!)

Worldwide medium survey (http://www.worldwidemediums.com/thesurvey/section1/clairvoyance.html) :p

[juninho]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
I think we may be getting nearer to jambo's fantastic medium Glynis Daily,but whilst I find actual transcripts of hers heres another scottish nutjob medium(Daily is mentioned in the article)But check out Roy!!


http://www.communigate.co.uk/lancs/blackburnspirtualistchurch/forum.phtml?action=message&phpforum_id=1906 ;)

From that link, the following:


Roy's face grew big, then it went longer, then it went smaller like a child from there it went fully round. I think it was because of the sincerity and harmony of the people there in that church


I think Roy's been bringing some of his special shortbread with him.

[jambo372]

Azrael 5
How can you be sure it's the same woman ?
Daily is quite a popular name.

[JPK]

Good morning Jambo372,

Originally posted by jambo372
Azrael 5
How can you be sure it's the same woman ?
Daily is quite a popular name.

That may be so, but how many Glynis Daily's are doing mediumship adn Spirtulist churchs in you area?

JPK

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
Azrael 5
How can you be sure it's the same woman ?
Daily is quite a popular name.

But not that popular: see http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/statistics/library/geninfo/surnames.html

[jambo372]

None the less still relatively popular. Or it could be her daughter, her mother, her aunt maybe even her gran although I doubt the latter three are still with us.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
None the less still relatively popular. Or it could be her daughter, her mother, her aunt maybe even her gran although I doubt the latter three are still with us.

Well I produced the data to support my opinion; can you provide the data to support your opinion that it is "relatively popular"?

And this question actually cuts to the heart of the matter of even beginning to granting you any credibility as a witness to an extraordinary event. If you are willing to make unsubstantiated claims about such ordinary matters how do you expect us to believe you when you make your extraordinary claims?

You made the claim once that it was a popular name; I showed that it wasn’t in the top 100 - care to define your term "relatively popular" and provide the evidence?

Or do you want to leave the impression that you form your opinions and conclusions without any evidence or facts?

[jambo372]

I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily.

:D

[JPK]

Originally posted by jambo372
I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily.

I know I'm popular because I know quite a few people who call me daily... :)
JPK

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by JPK
I know I'm popular because I know quite a few people who call me daily... :)
JPK

Hey, JPK! I told you to mow the lawn, not spend time on the interweb thing! Gods, you're such a hopeless servant. :p:p:p (You know of course I'm kidding.)

[The Mighty Thor]

Originally posted by jambo372
I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily.

:dl:

Well, there was also that man with the wooden leg called "Daily".

Are you sure it is spelled Daily. Any I know are spelled Daly.

[Mojo]

Originally posted by jambo372
I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily.
I know someone who occasionally uses the pseudonym "Bingo Knightly."

[Ashles]

I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily.
Thank heavens jambo has finally grasped the difference between anecdotal evidence and real evidence.

:rolleyes:

[Darat]

Originally posted by Ashles
Thank heavens jambo has finally grasped the difference between anecdotal evidence and real evidence.

:rolleyes:

I thought he was making a joke?

jambo372 your response of "I know it's popular because I have known quite a few people called Daily." was just meant to be a joke, to get a laugh?

[jambo372]

No.

[Darat]

Originally posted by jambo372
No.

Oh...

[Azrael 5]

Just thought Id add-though its not really relevant(although still a British medium)


Mia's clock


306 days:D
Ah...the memories of that forum! You would have fitted right in there jambo! ;)

[JPK]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Hey, JPK! I told you to mow the lawn, not spend time on the interweb thing! Gods, you're such a hopeless servant. :p:p:p (You know of course I'm kidding.)

Sorry, back to work. But all the grass is under the snow in my yard??
JPK

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by JPK
Sorry, back to work. But all the grass is under the snow in my yard??
JPK

Your lawn? Excuse me? Where does it say it's your lawn? I own you and your entire family, both the living and the deceased.

Terribly sorry about this, folks. Just because I have to yell at him daily, he thinks he's popular. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Soapy Sam]

I just checked the Clyde Valley 2004-5 phone book.
This includes Coatbridge, Airdrie and Monklands, the area in which Jambo372 lives.

It lists :
Dailey 1
Dailly 7
Daily 2

On the same page, there are approx 240 Curries and about 70 Cuthbertsons. I do not believe "Daily" is a common name in Scotland.

Incidentally, if anyone is interested, Thursday night is mediumship night at the Scottish Society for Psychical Research.
(Non members £3 on the door.)

http://www.sspr.co.uk/

Edit to add- I misread the "Daily's". There are two.

[JPK]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Your lawn? Excuse me? Where does it say it's your lawn? I own you and your entire family, both the living and the deceased.

Terribly sorry about this, folks. Just because I have to yell at him daily, he thinks he's popular. Move along, nothing to see here.

Once again, sorry. But surely you can see how I might become confused with all this talking to dead people and such. :)

On a differant note, I was just talking with someone at work about a Jame Randi lecture I have on tape. Mr. Randi made the point, "How come all of these dead relatives always seem cheerfull and want to talk to you. How come you the medium never says" I'm your uncle Joe, I didn't like you when I was living, I don't like you now, STOP CALLING!" An interesting point that I'm sure someone who regulaly chooses to talk to dead people has an answer for.

JPK

[jambo372]

You don't get messages from people who don't like you because ...
people who don't like you won't want to talk to you.
Either this or they'll want to give an insulting message which the medium is forbidden to pass on.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
You don't get messages from people who don't like you because ...
people who don't like you won't want to talk to you.
Either this or they'll want to give an insulting message which the medium is forbidden to pass on.
What if a spirit pretends their related to the sitter,when theyre not-you know just for the hell of it-maybe they saw the real releative in the spirit pub and nicked their ID.What then?
Why no foreign language speaking spirits? :D

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by jambo372
Either this or they'll want to give an insulting message which the medium is forbidden to pass on.

Oh, this is just too rich.
Why on earth is it forbidden to pass on an insulting message? And who's decided it's forbidden anyway? For that matter, who's in charge of enforcing this rule? And did the dead agree to this being forbidden? If they didn't get a chance to really say what was on their mind while alive, why should the medium prohibit them from it when they're dead?

Or, could it be that the frauds and fakes know that if they insult people, they won't get repeat business by giving them "messages from the dead" that contains insults? Well now, here we have a likely explanation.

[JPK]

Originally posted by jambo372
You don't get messages from people who don't like you because ...
people who don't like you won't want to talk to you.
Either this or they'll want to give an insulting message which the medium is forbidden to pass on.

Good afternoon Jambo372.
So the dead have caller id? They screen thier calls? Perhaps the medium just gets a "Hi this is dead uncle Bill, I'm not here right now to take your call, at the moan leave your name and message and I will get back to you... moooooaaaannnnn..."
On a more serious note Jambo372, why would you want to talk to the dead? What would they have to offer you that a living person can't? When you die do you suddenly get access to information hidden to the living?

JPK

[jambo372]

The medium isn't supposed to pass on insulting or scary messages, there is good reason for this.
A trainee medium once accidentally let slip details about someones death in the near future and this scared the sitter. She almost **** herself. The person died a few weeks later and she was scared to return to spiritualism.

I just want to hear what the dead have to say and know what they get up to. I also go to help with the future development of my own mediumship.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by jambo372
The medium isn't supposed to pass on insulting or scary messages, there is good reason for this.
A trainee medium once accidentally let slip details about someones death in the near future and this scared the sitter.

I just want to hear what the dead have to say and know what they get up to. I also go to help with the future development of my own mediumship.

Who hired you jambo?You're hilarious.....! :D

[jambo372]

The Russian Mafia.
Nobody hired me.

[Azrael 5]

Have you come up with some evidence,other than anecdotes for proof of mediumship yet?

A trainee medium once accidentally let slip details about someones death in the near future and this scared the sitter. She almost **** herself. The person died a few weeks later and she was scared to return to spiritualism

Evdience? ;)

[Darat]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Have you come up with some evidence,other than anecdotes for proof of mediumship yet?



Evdience? ;)

Perhaps a medium told him?

[jambo372]

Evidence - it was a friend's mother who got the message and it was her mother who died shortly afterwards (my friend's grandmother).

[Ashles]

Is there any way anyone knows to get Jambo to understand what constitutes evidence?

Everyone - ask around. Ask friends, family, work colleagues, visit other forums, send letters, e-mail your MP...

There must be a way to get it through to Jambo that STORIES ON AN INTERNET FORUM ARE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE! ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS NOT REAL EVIDENCE!


Look jambo, that medium spoke to me immediately after the mother died and admitted she made the whole thing up. She was really surprised and a little embarassed that it appeared to come true, but in fact she had made the prediction up. She had never heard a 'dead person' in her life and only pretended to in order to feel special.

Please explain how your story differs in validity from mine?

[Azrael 5]

Glynis Daily told me,almost an hour ago that she is a complete fraud and she's sorry for any misunderstanding.....

Evidence or not? You decide;)
Ill save you trouble,its not,only in jambos world!

[JPK]

Originally posted by jambo372
The medium isn't supposed to pass on insulting or scary messages, there is good reason for this.
A trainee medium once accidentally let slip details about someones death in the near future and this scared the sitter. She almost **** herself. The person died a few weeks later and she was scared to return to spiritualism.
I just want to hear what the dead have to say and know what they get up to. I also go to help with the future development of my own mediumship.
So dead people know when the living are going to die? How is this? Is the afterlife so boring that they want to talk to the living? Maybe there is something to all this. When people who would rather converse with the dead, actually die they can't fit in socialy wiith the dead so they try to talk to the living.
Sounds like a horrible cycle.

JPK

[Aussie Thinker]

I don’t think anyone here gets it.

Jambos’ little gatherings ARE his life. It’s his only social interaction (aside from us).

He KNOWS its all a crock.. that is why he is constantly on here desperately trying to defend his own idiocy.

BTW the humour used in this thread (while completely wasted on Jambo) has been great to read. Its not even being mean as Jambo is too stupid to get it !

[Darat]

Originally posted by Ashles
Is there any way anyone knows to get Jambo to understand what constitutes evidence?

...snip...

I wouldn’t take (at least) his last few comments at all seriously. It's seems it's just a little bit of fun he's having with us. From "It's popular because I know people with that name" to "The Russian Mafia" to "A friend's mother..." he's obviously got quite a sense of humour.

[DUNFERMLINEBOY]

Ashles
You claim to have met every medium working in British spiritualist churches ? As if I believe that, never mind believe they all confessed to fraud.
Do you know any of these mediums :
Ina Brown
Alision Reid
Joan Clark
Eppie Graham
Ann McCutcheon
Christine McClachy
Max Taylor
Hugh Hunter
Ricky Martin ( not the singer )
Maureen Land
Rebecca Baithers
Glynnis Dailly
Don Galloway
Liz Kennedy
Sally Buxton
Diane Mitchell
David Nicholl
Violet Berry ( I swear this is the real name)
Nancy Paterson
Tom Drummond
Ian Shanes
Iris Forsyth
Jerry Riley
Marian Grant
Margaret McCart ? ...
to mention but a few. If you don't know them all then you obviously don't know every UK spiritualist medium. These are nearly all just in Scotland with a few exceptions. Do you recognise the names ?


Jambo I am a BELIEVER!! BUT PLEASE DO NOT THROW THE "REVERENED" GLYNIS ANNE HORNE HUNTER DAILLY, CGWM GWMIN, as one of the best mediums in Scotland i trusted that woman for dam nearly 5 years, and by that i mean on a one -to-one basis her "Predictions" never materialised, she told me that by 35 i would be successful and all my past ills would be behind me. Never happened, but every reading was "give it another few months" until the extent that by late 2003 i couldnt deal anymore and I had a mental Breakdown and what did the dear reverened do turned up at my house unannounced on a sunday evening after she "Hotfooted" it from the local spiritualist church, basically told me that everything was my fault, and announced " We cant Live your life for you" I wasn't even in a fit state to throw her out (a week before dr put me on antidepressants) and she blatantly was sneering and laughing , she only turned up at my house once after this and over the next two years by phone she made excuse after excuse as to why her predictions didnt materialise! and she used to try and take the piss by being patronising and arrogant about it!! She only finally shut-up WHEN I SENT HER A COPY OF THE FRAUDULENT MEDIUMS ACT AND SAID THAT I WAS SENDING HER TAPED MESSAGES OFF FOR ANALYSIS" Not once through my period of illness did she come out and visit, not once did she offer any support in fact not once did she do sod all!!

She wouldnt even come out and support charity events for a mental health project that i became involved with!! So thats the Reverened Glynis Dailly for ya, a matter upon which i emailed James Randi himself on last year and he was decent enough to reply on and quite rightly said "and u believe people like that can talk to dead folks"#

So sorry for the rant but Jambo i would pick the names of whom u decide to advocate as promoting your cause with a bit more care because that woman in my humble opinion is a nasty nasty little piece of work below the surface and she didnt give a hoot about me!!

And as i say i'm a believer that there are genuine mediums!!!!!!!!

[shandyjan]

No, just NO, there are no genuine mediums. Its a party trick.

[DUNFERMLINEBOY]

lol Shandyjan always keep an open mind and look at the evidence case by case! Once science believed the earth was flat it isn't once we thought the earth stood still but it doesn's it spins very fast on its axis, so to look at anything scientifically one must always keep an open mind!!!

Focus on exposing the people that are going out causing great harm with their lies rather than those who perhaps give comfort!!

[The Don]

lol Shandyjan always keep an open mind and look at the evidence case by case! !

We do, and yet somehow every case of a "genuine" medium can be replicated, explained away or a combination by considering:

- Cold reading
- Hot reading
- Confirmation bias

or a combination of the three

Once science believed the earth was flat it isn't once we thought the earth stood still but it doesn's it spins very fast on its axis, so to look at anything scientifically one must always keep an open mind!!!

Once again this old canard is dragged out. People in the "business" of navigation have known the earth is a sphere for at least two millennia. Ptolemy managed to provide an (admittedly inaccurate) estimate for the size of the earth a couple of thousand years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy

Focus on exposing the people that are going out causing great harm with their lies rather than those who perhaps give comfort!!

They're still lying. They are either accidentally or accidentally misleading people for cash. Giving comfort is no excuse.

By all means give comfort but do so truthfully

[Lothian]

Focus on exposing the people that are going out causing great harm with their lies rather than those who perhaps give comfort!!Out of interest what is you stance on people who tell comforting lies for money?

[Stupid]

[I]HOLY CAR[U]
sold fire

solid fire

[Mahaha]

No.

I can't believe it? Really? So, you received a lot of good questions and you answer with this crap?

Once science believed the earth was flat it isn't


No it didn't. The church did, and had some interest in having people believing it, but people who looked a little bit around them have known that Earth is round since as far as ancient Greece.

You know what? If you want to believe great, but don't pretend you have evidence because you don't. Your aneddoctes are as good as the ones of people who believe in the bigfoot, te lochness monster, that they have been abducted by aliens or that they saw a ghost.
Have the humility and the common sense to admit that.
After that, you can believe in whatever you want.

[bluesjnr]

Hey peeps you do know this is a zombie thread right?

The last post Jambo372 made was on 23rd August 2005, 05:00 PM.

Don't hold your breath for a response Dunfermlineboy and Mahaha.

[DUNFERMLINEBOY]

Yeah i know its a zombie thread but it came up when i did a search on a certain Glynis Dailly and i wanted to leave my comments on that one in no uncertain terms! People who exploit for cash are a disgrace and ones personal beliefs are ones personal beliefs, all i was saying and indeed am saying is that its perhaps a bit disrespectful to the scientists out there who are trying to investigate matters of the paranormal in a scientific non biased way, because if u close ur mind to what is possible then it would invalidate all the research that goes on! I am very much in favour of James Randi's million dollar challenge and im equally intrigued to see how ARCH SCEPTIC DR MATTHEW SMITH gets on after his year experiment of trying to "Develop" in order to make an attempt to win Mr Randi's cash!! So therefor with any research into the paranormal, work of mediums whatever then whether an arch believer or arch sceptic we should always be saying PROVE IT rather than throwing condascending abuse after all its through science, experiment that we have gained knowledge throughout human history is it not??

[Mahaha]

Hey peeps you do know this is a zombie thread right?

The last post Jambo372 made was on 23rd August 2005, 05:00 PM.

Don't hold your breath for a response Dunfermlineboy and Mahaha.

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Actually I didn't notice :o . Ops. Well, you know... see you. :)