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29th March 2003, 12:23 PM
In an UFO forum, some one gave me this contactee message, given to him by a ET, that is some kind of Physics unknown to humanity, and that is the secret of antigravitational flight.

I know almost nothing more than school grade physics, but this message stills sounds to me like a piece of s**t.

He is so sure that is real (every nut is) that we both agreed to expose it to REAL phycisists scrutiny. It was "given" in spanish, and I translated the best I could, but just in case I'll post my tranlation and the original in spanish.

Here it is:

The following message would correspond to a contact telepathic of the sensitive Carlos Zelaya, made in the presence of the “well-known”(by his mother at tea time) investigator of Argentina Juan A. Lobaczewsky (Engineer graduated in Europe, the area of mechanics and metalúrgics). It was published by him in "Prolegómenos of Cosmic Science", Ed. Foundation Third Millenium, Bs. Airs, 1981, 281p.:

Date: 14-11-71 Place: Beccar and Victoria

"Absolute Energy and its manifestations.
In the existing space between an atom of matter and another one of antimatter, is a wide spectrum of Magnetic Electrodynamic Variation, in which are present certain neutral states:

PNE
released energy --------> energy in contraction

where P.N.E.: neutral plane of atomic bio-power balance

In the intermediate plane there are atoms with a concentric energy in compression and a compensating unloading or discharge in the nucleus. Despite his loads and anti-loads, they release an energy of N * 238 with respect to that atom, of well-known nature.

The released energies: the one of matter and the one of antimatter, they balance in the neutral planes, that are not other thing that atoms of antimatter in transition and precipitated to the world of the dense manifestations.

From this game of energies it is possible to take what we would call Absolute Energy, that is: within a Neutral field, two opposed pieces excited to the Natural frequency, that in the balance plane form a total power source, that can be modulated from the exciters:

Exciter ------> field of production of greater frequency <------ Exciter

These statements give you and ideo of the range of frecuencies that can be modulated and treated as ANTIGRAVITATIONAL element, creating CONTROLLED DENSE ENERGY with great gain of PHOTODINÁMICS..

When a field releases a frequency of Z**2 + 3M/weight of M (gravity on mass), when the mass is accelerated within the frequency of gravitational absorption, it releases an equal energy; from which increasing the frequency of the mass, accelerates the same one and diminishes its weight.

Therefore: M x fM/ gravitational force

When the mass releases 238 times its frequency in resonance with the energy of itself, as a product of two OPPOSED FIELDS, this mass enters which we called another dimension."

29th March 2003, 12:25 PM
And the spanish original:

..., el siguiente mensaje correspondería a un contacto telepático del sensitivo Carlos A. Zelaya, realizado con la presencia del conocido investigador argentino Juan A. Lobaczewsky (Ingeniero diplomado en europa, en el área de mecánica y metalúrgia). Fue publicado por él en "Prolegómenos de la Ciencia Cósmica", Ed. Fundación Tercer Milenio, Bs. Aires, 1981, 281p.:

Fecha: 14-11-71 Lugar: Beccar y Victoria

"Energía absoluta y sus manifestaciones.
En el espacio existente entre un átomo de materia y otro de antimateria, se encuentra un amplio espectro de Variación Electrodinámica Magnética, en la cual se representan ciertos estados neutros:
P.N.E.
energía liberada --------> energía en contracción

donde P.N.E.: plano neutro de equilibrio bio-energético atómico

En el plano intermedio existen átomos con una energía concéntrica en compresión y una descarga de compensación en el núcleo. No obstante sus cargas y contracargas, liberan una energía de N * 238 con respecto al atomo de materia conocida.
Las energías liberadas: la de materia y la de antimateria, se equilibran en los planos neutros, que no son otra cosa que átomos de antimateria en transición y precipitados al mundo de las manifestaciones densas.

De este juego de energías se puede tomar lo que llamaríamos Energía Absoluta, o sea: dentro de un campo Neutro, dos porciones de opuestos excitados en la frecuencia Natural, que en el plano de equilibrio forman una fuente energética total, que se puede modular desde los excitadores:

Excitador ------> campo de producción de frecuencia mayor <------ Excitador

Estos enunciados os dan una pauta sobre el juego de frecuencias que se pueden modular y tratar como elemento antigravitacional, formando ENERGÍA DENSA CONTROLADA con gran ganancia de FOTODINÁMICA...

Cuando un campo libera una frecuencia de Z**2 + 3M / peso de M (gravedad sobre masa), cuando la masa se acelera dentro de la frecuencia de absorción gravitatoria, libera una energía igual; de allí que aumentando la frecuencia de la masa, se acelera la misma y disminuye su peso.
Por lo tanto: M x fM / F. gravitatoria

Cuando la masa libera 238 veces su frecuencia en resonancia con la energía de sí misma en producto de dos CAMPOS OPUESTOS, esta masa entra en lo que llamamos
otra dimensión."

garys_2k
29th March 2003, 01:54 PM
While I'm no physicist, I can pretty clearly see that this is termed with such ambiguous terminology sprinkled with buzzwords that are used out of any conceivable context, it defies analysis. That's on the LINGUISTIC level, never mind a scientific one.

For example, right off the bat we have the "existing space between an atom of matter and another one of antimatter" thing. Does this mean two hypothetically physically separated atoms, or some kind of "energy continuum" between regular matter and antimatter? It just compounds on from there with other terms. "Magnetic Electrodynamic Variation?" Maybe that is comprehensible to someone more knowledgeable than me, but I don't see it.

Of course, this only proves I'm not as smart as the aliens. Too bad they didn't give an example of how to tap into this thing.

Agammamon
29th March 2003, 05:11 PM
Sorry Gabriel, this is bunk. Like garys_2k says it is filled with buzzwords used out of context. There are only 2 short equations shown and neither of them mean anything. Terms are given without any definitions of what they are, units of measurement are used incorrectly or nonexistent.
Another thing to consider is why aliens would contact this nobody and give him instructions for advanced tech?

fishbob
29th March 2003, 09:20 PM
I recently read Steven Hawking's Cambridge Lectures. Hawking explains his research in fairly simple terms. If Hawking can explain some of the most complex physics around using small words and simple terms, then other competent scientists ought to be able to explain their work in the same way - and most of them do.

I believe that deception is the most common purpose for using complex phrasing, lots of buzzwords, and lots of undefined terms. Did this guy ask for contributions?

29th March 2003, 10:30 PM
Oh, you know. The usual stuff. 10 bucks a ticket lectures, book-selling, interviews, etc.
And people pays to hear newage-et-crap.

I want to have sound argumentation that this thing that smells like s**t, as many of you has pointed, is really s**t and why.

BillyJoe
30th March 2003, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by gabriel
I want to have sound argumentation that this thing.... really [is] s**t and why. listen to the others, gabriel.....

You can't do it unless you get him to explain ET's physics in language you understand.

30th March 2003, 05:32 AM
That's a good point, but dont forget woo woo mentality: it is not ET fault, but your own lack of mind evolution, or something like that.
"ET work in mysteriuos ways", you know...

Soapy Sam
31st March 2003, 01:58 PM
Anyway, there's a typo.
It should be n / 238, not n * 238.
But any fool knows that.
:D