Gun Rights Web Sites

[Tony]

Check em out.

Gays for guns. http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html

Blacks for guns http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/

NRA http://www.mynra.org/

[Nasarius]

Damn, when I saw the title, I was going to recommend Pink Pistols, but I see you beat me to it. Lesbians against gun control...hilarious :D

[neutrino_cannon]

It's a little bizzare, juxtaposing two movements like that, but hey, I'm all for gay right and for guns, so what's the problem?

[corplinx]

I told a gay friend of mine to please get a carry permit. That boy in Laramie should still be living and the guys who did it should have died from smoking wounds.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by corplinx
I told a gay friend of mine to please get a carry permit. That boy in Laramie should still be living and the guys who did it should have died from smoking wounds.

Is there anything wrong with just wounding assailants? That's not to say that you have any control over the matter once the pin hits primer.

[Tony]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon


Is there anything wrong with just wounding assailants?

Id rather have the satisfaction of killing a criminal. But thats just me. :D :D

[corplinx]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon


Is there anything wrong with just wounding assailants?


Yes. I would do an injustice to explain on this forum though. You really need to take a tactical pistol defense class and learn why from a qualified professional familiar with the laws of your area.

[Jim_MDP]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon


Is there anything wrong with just wounding assailants? That's not to say that you have any control over the matter once the pin hits primer.

Ok, let's settle this.

In a legitimate lethal force event, you do not "shoot to kill".

You "shoot to stop". Stop the attack, period.

This is best done with one/two shots to the center of mass. If the attack continues...again to COM or head.

Those first shot(s) can be lethal.

Aiming for, say, the leg is irresponsible. if it's your finger on the trigger, YOU are responsible for everything that bullet does. Very easy to miss a leg, and then the downward angle means a skip off the ground and toward the background (which you are responsible for knowing what's there as well).

Hell, even cops mis COM shots in the heat of the fight.


Anecdotal...defendant to atty when asked if he "shot to kill?"

"No sir, I shot to live."

[Badger]

History Channel's "History's Mysteries" show did a good job on showing how even trained professionals miss during the heat of a gun battle. The episode was a re-creation of the shootout at the OK corral.

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
Is there anything wrong with just wounding assailants?

While this would seem a preferable option, it generally isn't feasible.

Most often, merely producing a firearm is enough to deter any further confrontation in instances of self-defense. If a situation presents itself where the armed citizen must discharge his weapon -- bearing in mind that this is going to be a high-stress, adrenaline-pumping situation -- in order to save his life and/or that of others, the swiftest conclusion is reached by targeting the perpetrator's center mass. Real life combat situations, unfortunately, are far from those of Hollywood studios where the hero shoots the weapon out of the bad guy's hand.

What I've posted is extremely condensed, and is in no way intended to be self-defense advice, as the matter is much more complex. If you're interested in issues concerning self-defense and lethal force, I would highly recommend you consult works by expert instructors such as Massad Ayoob, who have written extensively on the subject. Knowing the laws in your area is equally crucial.

Originally posted by Tony
Id rather have the satisfaction of killing a criminal. But thats just me.

:rolleyes: I certainly hope so.

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by JamesMGMDP
In a legitimate lethal force event, you do not "shoot to kill".

You "shoot to stop". Stop the attack, period.

Precisely. Well-spoken, sir.

[Troll]

Originally posted by JamesMGMDP


Ok, let's settle this.

In a legitimate lethal force event, you do not "shoot to kill".

You "shoot to stop". Stop the attack, period.

This is best done with one/two shots to the center of mass. If the attack continues...again to COM or head.

Those first shot(s) can be lethal.

Aiming for, say, the leg is irresponsible. if it's your finger on the trigger, YOU are responsible for everything that bullet does. Very easy to miss a leg, and then the downward angle means a skip off the ground and toward the background (which you are responsible for knowing what's there as well).

Hell, even cops mis COM shots in the heat of the fight.


Anecdotal...defendant to atty when asked if he "shot to kill?"

"No sir, I shot to live."

In theory this works. In practical application a double tap, when conducted by someone that can aim the weapon results in death.

I've double tapped with the M-1911, a Beretta 9mm and a Desert Eagle .357. All weapons have a kick or lift after the first round. Most people are trained to send two rounds down range quickly. aiming at center mass for the first round often elevates the weapon enough to where the second round becomes a headshot. The desert Eagle .357 was by far the better pistol and the heavier pistol and had the best chance of avoiding that much elevation, however if fired quickly, as is done in most self defense shootings, it still elevated enough to where I was in the head or throat area. If you take your time and let the weapon come home before the second shot, then you would be able to see the result of the first shot and if the first shot was good, then there is no need for the second shot.