Everyone's Favorite Whipping Boy

[corplinx]

Michael Moore is making a new film:

“I’m making a film called Fahrenheit 911, the temperature at which freedom burns. It’ll be about how Bush is using 9/11 and those 3,000 lost lives as an excuse to move along his own conservative agenda.” Excerpted from the DemocratAndChronicle.Com



Sounds like some of the trolls on this board. Seriously, I don't dig some of the anti-Moore stuff on this board. Moore isn't an elected official, he is an entertainer. For the record though, I thought about some of the big liberal agenda issues and how they were affected by 9-11.
Gun Control: unaffected
Abortion: unaffected
Social Spending: unaffected

So, will this movie be based on anything resembling reality or is it just going to be patriot act scaremongering?

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by corplinx
Moore isn't an elected official, he is an entertainer.

I agree. Some, though, view Moore's works mistakenly thinking that they are factually-correct documentaries.
Then again, same can be said for Richard Hoagland.
Those who cannot discern the difference concern me.

I've never seen anything Moore has done. I did see a short bit from his teevee show, where he was talking about finding out private details of people's lives, and he took a camera crew to his producer's home and dug through her trash a little and found an empty pack of rolling papers... he said, "Well, we know she smokes something ." It was funny...

From descriptions of his work I gather that he er, embellishes the truth a bit, takes potshots... but that his work has some merit to it, in particular the (documentary? film?) Roger and Me...

what say you?

[UnrepentantSinner]

I really liked "Roger and Me" and it's follow-up "Pets or Meat."

A lot of his stuff smacks of that "truth" anti-smoking campagin but when he's on, he's on.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Wolverine


I agree. Some, though, view Moore's works mistakenly thinking that they are factually-correct documentaries.
Then again, same can be said for Richard Hoagland.
Those who cannot discern the difference concern me.

You appear to have trouble with facts. Richard Hoagland is one of the most brillaint cosmologists in the United States. His brilliant work is stolen by morons all the time. Scientific vulching, to be more precise.

For example, take a look at this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2846897.stm) about water flows on Mars. Notice how Mr. Hoagland was not given credit for being the first scientist to announce the scientific proof he found of the event.

Here is that proof by Hoagland he completed in 2000. (http://www.enterprisemission.com/press-water.html) There was also another study done by other scientists in 2001 (http://home.attbi.com/~palermo63/Mars_Anomalies/SeepsPaper.pdf).

So what this all means is that leftist Hollywood drivel from Moore has absolutely nothing to do with the awesome science of Mr. Hoagland. Perhaps you could select another example for comparison.

JK

[corplinx]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
I really liked "Roger and Me" and it's follow-up "Pets or Meat."

A lot of his stuff smacks of that "truth" anti-smoking campagin but when he's on, he's on.

I'll agree there. I first found Moore in those same venues. However, TV Nation struck me as excessive and sometimes even moronic.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Notice how Mr. Hoagland was not given credit for being the first scientist to announce the scientific proof he found of the event.


The problem is, much like Moore, Mr. Hoagland not only presents credible analysis but also indulges in foolish whimsy (face on mars, bowling for columbine).

Mr. Hoagland has unfortunately relegated himself to the Art Bell crowd through his own unscientific whimsy. Mr. Moore may relegate himself to the college circuit with the indulgences in his last book and movie.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by corplinx


I'll agree there. I first found Moore in those same venues. However, TV Nation struck me as excessive and sometimes even moronic.

TV Nation was heavy handed sometimes, but it also had it's moments like when Moore and the guy who was head of the Michigan Militia baked a cake and went to the county fair. Priceless.

[EvilYeti]

My main beef with Moore is that he is an entertainer trying to pass himself off as a journalist. I really think it is better for the two fields to be seperate, but hey, its a free country.

I do agree with the opinions here (http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html)

"Bowling for Columbine" shouldn't have won any documentary awards, as the site says, as "Bowling uses deliberate deception as its primary tool of persuasion and effect."

Considering its considerable success I'm sure he'll uses the same techniques in future works.

[schplurg]

Moore isn't an elected official, he is an entertainer.
Well he made the Politics and Current Events board here rather than the Arts and Entertainment one. I guess he's stepping into politics. ;)

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


You appear to have trouble with facts. Richard Hoagland is one of the most brillaint cosmologists in the United States. His brilliant work is stolen by morons all the time. Scientific vulching, to be more precise.

For example, take a look at this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2846897.stm) about water flows on Mars. Notice how Mr. Hoagland was not given credit for being the first scientist to announce the scientific proof he found of the event.

Here is that proof by Hoagland he completed in 2000. (http://www.enterprisemission.com/press-water.html) There was also another study done by other scientists in 2001 (http://home.attbi.com/~palermo63/Mars_Anomalies/SeepsPaper.pdf).

So what this all means is that leftist Hollywood drivel from Moore has absolutely nothing to do with the awesome science of Mr. Hoagland. Perhaps you could select another example for comparison.

JK

As I stated previously, those (http://members.aol.com/garypos2/Hoagland.html) who (http://www.masonicinfo.com/hoagland.htm) cannot (http://www.eighty.btinternet.co.uk/page15.htm) discern (http://www.rense.com/ufo2/remedy.htm) the (http://www.skepticalmind.com/hoagland.html) difference (http://www.irupert.com/mars/hoaxland.html) concern me. (http://www.enterprisemission.com/alert.htm)
Welcome aboard the list.

I can only speculate as to why Hoagland decided to embark on a journey toward woo-woo-ville. What remains clear is that any semblance of credibility he once possessed further diminishes each time he opens his mouth.