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pyewhackett
26th January 2005, 06:19 PM
Why do people speak out about things they simply don't understand? (not an invitation to attack me! :)

Here's an article from Yahoo Aus:

Thursday January 27, 12:30 PM


Navratilova joins anti-mulesing campaign
A powerful animal rights group has enlisted the help of tennis legend Martina Navratilova in its campaign against an Australian sheep farming practice that activists say is cruel.

Ms Navratilova, who was in Australia as a commentator and competitor in the doubles competition at the Australian Open in Melbourne, has written to Prime Minister John Howard asking for an end to mulesing.

The practice involves farmers cutting away skin folds from sheeps' backsides to prevent blowfly strike and a slow and painful death from maggot infestation.

The Australian wool industry has agreed to phase out mulesing by 2010 and is continuing research into alternatives.

But the United States-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) says mulesing should end now, and the group is trying to rally major clothing retailers into a global boycott of Australian wool.

"This is a deliberate act of violence. It is pain inflicted without just cause," Ms Navratilova said of mulesing in her letter to Mr Howard.

"Do you believe such cruelty should be allowed?

"Harvesting livestock is one thing - cruel and unusual infliction of pain in that process is another. It is ethically and morally wrong."

The 48-year-old tennis star urged the federal government to introduce laws to stop mulesing, and said Australians should voice their opposition to the practice.

Deputy Prime Minister and Nationals leader John Anderson condemned PETA's campaign last week, calling it dishonest.

PETA appears to be stepping up its campaign ahead of a case in the Federal Court next month in which a major Australian wool company will attempt to end PETA's boycott campaign.

Australian Wool Innovation (AWI) is seeking an injunction that would stop PETA from targeting clothing retailers, and damages which could amount to millions of dollars.

A hearing in Sydney on February 11 is expected to decide whether the action will proceed.

AWI chairman and former defence minister Ian McLachlan dismissed Ms Navratilova's complaint.

"She doesn't know the ramifications of what she's saying and I'm sad for her," he told AAP.

"We'll get in touch with her and her agents and tell her."

An escalation of PETA's campaign ahead of the court date had been expected, Mr McLachlan, said.

"But I don't think you could say, with all the pressure they've tried to put on the wool industry, that they've been very successful."

Major retailer Abercrombie and Fitch joined the boycott in October, while UK clothing chain George this month agreed not to source Australian wool from farms which practice mulesing.

Italian clothing giant Benetton, however, has resisted PETA's campaign and agreed to continue buying Australian wool.

PETA sent a report to the federal government this week which claims mulesing is not the most effective method of preventing blowfly strike and could be ended immediately.

The report, which also calls for an end to live exports, says there are viable alternatives to mulesing including breeding sheep which are less prone to flystrike.

"It's obvious that the Australian wool industry will never end its reign of terror over sheep without government intervention," PETA researcher Cem Akin said.

Mr McLachlan said a major research effort was continuing into mulesing alternatives, but it remained the most cost-effective treatment at the moment.

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I lived in outback Oz for three years. Coming from Sydney, I originally thought this practice brutal but this was an initial, ignorant judgment. PETA and co. should check out some pics of sheep that haven't undergone this procedure and have suffered a nasty death.

What kinda jumper (sweater for the rest of you) would that wool make?


Karen.

DevilsAdvocate
26th January 2005, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by pyewhackett
Why do people speak out about things they simply don't understand? (not an invitation to attack me! :)

The practice involves farmers cutting away skin folds from sheeps' backsides to prevent blowfly strike and a slow and painful death from maggot infestation. You have lost me. Why would farmers NOT do something to "prevent blowfly strike" and "prevent a slow and painful death from maggot infestation"?

Sorry, I don't think I get it. I googled around, but still don't understand. The best I could find was that this procedure is necessary because sheep are bred to have folds of skin that create this necessity. That could be a good point. But if farmers have these sheep, what SHOULD they do? I'm just trying to understand. :(

KelvinG
26th January 2005, 10:48 PM
Martina Navratilova has a day job?

pyewhackett
26th January 2005, 11:05 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
[B]You have lost me. Why would farmers NOT do something to "prevent blowfly strike" and "prevent a slow and painful death from maggot infestation"?

The point is that this practice is necessary and loons like PETA and Martina are scraping the bottom of the barrel for 'causes'.


Karen.

DeVega
27th January 2005, 12:53 AM
because it must hurt the sheep - I can't imagine the farmers have the time and resources to anesthetise the sheep. I can see their point but also, I should think death by maggot infestation (being eaten alive) is pretty bloody painful too...

..." between a rock and a hard place", springs to mind. I do agree they should be looking for alternatives. I would have thought there'd be some chemical they could paint on or something similar to the stuff that stops dogs getting fleas - you know, that they ingest through te skin - makes the blood poisonous to the little buggers...


Well - definetely in the realms of "don't know what I'm talking about" now so I'll sut up... just my 2 cents worth...

DeVega

PS: Maybe PETA shoud move its focus and highlight the case of the countless women still suffering from female circumcision - which is also done without anesthetic!

steenkh
27th January 2005, 03:02 AM
So the Australian wool industry has agreed to phase out mulesing by 2010. What are they proposing to do by then? Have they already started a gradual out-phasing, and how?

I wonder why this thread is placed under "General Skepticism and The Paranormal ". It should be placed under Politics.

Soapy Sam
27th January 2005, 03:59 AM
I thought they used to slap a dob of pitch on the animal's rear to stop this. Perhaps the genetic engineers could develop an autonomous ass**le which could be used to distract the blowflies, thus keeping all parties happy.

There should be no shortage of original material to work from.

Anyone in Scotland remember Matt McGinn's poem about "The Dogs' Party"?

pyewhackett
27th January 2005, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by steenkh
So the Australian wool industry has agreed to phase out mulesing by 2010. What are they proposing to do by then? Have they already started a gradual out-phasing, and how?

This is beyond the realm of my knowledge. I assue they have always been working on alternatives but the funding to do so won't be there if people boycott the wool.

quote:
I wonder why this thread is placed under "General Skepticism and The Paranormal ". It should be placed under Politics.

I'm new to the forum, be nice. Moreover, since PETA was a topic of ********! and necessitates skeptical thinking to a theory, I think it fits in well enough.


Karen.

pyewhackett
27th January 2005, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by DeVega
because it must hurt the sheep - I can't imagine the farmers have the time and resources to anesthetise the sheep. I can see their point but also, I should think death by maggot infestation (being eaten alive) is pretty bloody painful too...

The quandary indeed.

..." between a rock and a hard place", springs to mind. I do agree they should be looking for alternatives. I would have thought there'd be some chemical they could paint on or something similar to the stuff that stops dogs getting fleas - you know, that they ingest through te skin - makes the blood poisonous to the little buggers...

Not when they constantly use their bottoms for the purposes for which they were designed...thus attarcting said flies.

quote:
Well - definetely in the realms of "don't know what I'm talking about" now so I'll sut up... just my 2 cents worth...

Not my specialty either. I just thought it interesting.

quote:
PS: Maybe PETA shoud move its focus and highlight the case of the countless women still suffering from female circumcision - which is also done without anesthetic!

You know they don't give a toss about people!!!


:)

Karen.

jj
27th January 2005, 11:21 AM
Let me get this straight. These people want more sheep to die a slow, suffering death rather than have what amounts to preventitive surgery?

What am I missing?

pyewhackett
27th January 2005, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by jj
Let me get this straight. These people want more sheep to die a slow, suffering death rather than have what amounts to preventitive surgery?

What am I missing?

Spot on! I guess their 'rationale' is that 'natural death' is better than, as you say, 'preventative surgery'. There's no alternative as of yet to this practice - it's currently the only prevention they have.


Karen.