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Brown
1st February 2005, 09:15 AM
A story in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/01/science/01evo.html) (registration required; available for a limited time) mentions Amazing Meeting Speakers Eugenie Scott and Richard Dawkins:Dr. Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, said she heard "all the time" from teachers who did not teach evolution "because it's just too much trouble."

"Or their principals tell them, 'We just don't have time to teach everything so let's leave out the things that will cause us problems,' " she said.

Sometimes, Dr. Scott said, parents will ask that their children be allowed to "opt out" of any discussion of evolution and principals lean on teachers to agree.
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There is no credible scientific challenge to the idea that all living things evolved from common ancestors, that evolution on earth has been going on for billions of years and that evolution can be and has been tested and confirmed by the methods of science. But in a 2001 survey, the National Science Foundation found that only 53 percent of Americans agreed with the statement "human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals."

And this was good news to the foundation. It was the first time one of its regular surveys showed a majority of Americans had accepted the idea. According to the foundation report, polls consistently show that a plurality of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago, and about two-thirds believe that this belief should be taught along with evolution in public schools. It is unfortunate that so many people in the USA adopt an anti-science stance. There are plenty of Christians who hold that any interpretation of scripture that is at odds with scientific evidence is probably a wrong interpretation; but Biblical literalists start with the assumption that a literal interpretation is always correct, and therefore any evidence that conflicts with such an interpretation must be flawed.

The conclusion to the article mentions that literalists are not only aiming at the teaching of evolution, but at the teaching of other scientific fields as well:But several experts say scientists are feeling increasing pressure to make their case, in part, Dr. [Jon] Miller said, because scriptural literalists are moving beyond evolution to challenge the teaching of geology and physics on issues like the age of the earth and the origin of the universe.

"They have now decided the Big Bang has to be wrong," he said. "There are now a lot of people who are insisting that that be called only a theory without evidence and so on, and now the physicists are getting mad about this."

cbish
1st February 2005, 12:29 PM
It would be interesting to hear people's opinion as to why this is. Perhaps with the popularity of neo-con-ism, lately, these people have become more vocal, garnering more attention from the press.

As far as for me, I don't get to evolution for about another month or so. Wish me luck!

pmurray
12th April 2005, 10:57 PM
last time the USA went anti-science (the 50's), they snapped out of it real quick when the Russians put Spitnik up.

Perhaps what we all need is for the arabs to develop a clear lead in science - maybe some sort of horrific death ray that makes you flesh melt off your bones, or a suitcase hydrogen bomb that any schoolkid can build (hint: google for "fusor").

Regrettably, this is unlikely to happen. Unlike the soviets, the muslim crazies are as resolutely anti-science as the christians.

More realistically - Europe is well on the way to overtaking the US in many areas.

cbish
14th April 2005, 01:06 PM
Just finished the Evolution unit. No problems! I was a little worried about one boy who I know is a fundamentalist. He seemed to enjoy it and participated more in this unit than in past units.

I've acutally had this happen before. Sometimes the fundamentalist kids are the most interested. Perhaps it's a "forbidden fruit" type issue.;)

Zep
14th April 2005, 05:20 PM
Send your scientists here and move to the top of the class. We could certainly do with more of them, and we don't bother with all that anti-science crap.

pupdog
16th April 2005, 05:55 AM
Many of the leading proponents of the make-believe-science known as "Intelligent Design" have, as their ultimate goal, the overthrow of science as we know it, replacing it with what they call "theistic science"--and some ID supporters go beyond that, aiming for world dominion by their cult. (These latter extremists probably don't really care about the details of ID, just that it is anti-evolution.)

But what do you expect in a nation where the Administration disavows and misrepresents scientific research in setting policy?

Desertphile
18th April 2005, 09:19 AM
Soon teaching cosmology will be "too much trouble." Teaching history will be "too much trouble." The only thing left to teach will be Bible occultism.

bigred
18th April 2005, 10:32 AM
Well I'm glad there's no paranoia/overreaction here.

;)

pupdog
18th April 2005, 06:03 PM
Talking about the "overthrow of science, to be replaced by 'theistic science'" does sound overblown. But just look at what the leading proponents of Intelligent Design Creationism (Philip Johnson, William Demski) say--exactly that. And they aren't just talking about science, they're talking about every aspect of society. For example, at the Discovery Institute's Center for (the Renewal of) Science and Culture Web site, they posted "To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies. To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God."

Then check out their more extremist allies, such as James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, Concerned Women for America, and the Chalcedon Foundation.

Desertphile
19th April 2005, 11:34 AM
"To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies. To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God."

Golly. We did that already--- it was called "The Dark Ages."

Desertphile
19th April 2005, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by bigred
Well I'm glad there's no paranoia/overreaction here.

The agenda of the Big Name Creationist cults and proponants is nothing less than the utter destruction of science and secular government. If any thing, the doom-sayers are not strident enough in their prophesies and warnings. I remain convinced that if given a chance Creationists would finish the end of modern biological sciences (evolutionary theory) and turn their demonic energies towards attacking cosmology: some would even put the brass dome back over the Earth.

bigred
19th April 2005, 02:19 PM
LOL

I remain convinced that this gets funnier and funnier w/each passing post. "Big Name cults?" "utter destruction?" "Demonic energies??" Ironically, that sounds like something right out of a paranoid Fundamentalist sermon!

Just what kind of percentage of the populace and/or massive supervillian-like powers do you think these people have? And what exactly is it about their proposal that is so horrific? From what I gather, they do not dispute evolution, but some of the "why" behind it....and I doubt that can be irrefutably proved either way anyway.

It's the end of the worrrrrrrrld, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

;) sheesh