YELLOW BAMBOO TEST!!!

[KRAMER]

A test has been conducted. The applicant failed.

You probably all know the Yellow Bamboo Baloney.

Here is the link to the test. I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ftrust/


(Edited by Darat to correct URL.)

[jmercer]

The link is bad? I have to cut & paste it to make it work...

[Lisa Simpson]

There are three slashes in the url. That's why it isn't working.

[Zep]

Heh heh heh!

Phoney self-defence training - thousands.
One cheap tight yellow T-shirt - $5
Bruised ego and gut, and sand in your teeth - priceless.

[jmercer]

That would do it, all right. :) Let's see if this one works:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ftrust/

I did view the video. I'm a martial artist. That's trash.

[Lisa Simpson]

At one point in the video, the "attacker," the guy in black, comes right up into the camera and says something. But I couldn't understand it. Did anyone else catch what he said?

[jmercer]

I don't know - can't turn up the sound, I'm at work - but I'll bet that it's quotable. :D

I've seen Junior High School freshmen football players who would have done a better job than those ... umm... poor self-deluded souls. :)

[Zep]

Originally posted by jmercer
That would do it, all right. :) Let's see if this one works:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ftrust/

I did view the video. I'm a martial artist. That's trash. I don't think your ability matters - YB claimed to be able to repel "attackers". And I'm sorta guessing that being rugby-tackled full-on and then being headlocked is "an attack"...

[Zep]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
At one point in the video, the "attacker," the guy in black, comes right up into the camera and says something. But I couldn't understand it. Did anyone else catch what he said? Heh! This was filmed in Australia. He said "They're losers!".

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Zep
I don't think your ability matters - YB claimed to be able to repel "attackers". And I'm sorta guessing that being rugby-tackled full-on and then being headlocked is "an attack"...

Ok, but it's still trash. :)

Originally posted by Zep
Heh! This was filmed in Australia. He said "They're losers!".


There's another reason for me to like my cousins down under... they speak the truth so eloquently! :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Zep
Heh! This was filmed in Australia. He said "They're losers!".

No wonder I couldn't understand it. They weren't speaking 'merican!

BTW, thanks Zep. :)

[Beanbag]

All that work and effort? Hell, I could have walked up and just thumped the yellowshirt's nose with my index finger.

And people pay for this "training" ? I'm in the wrong line of work.

BTW, did anyone see the UFO in the background as they were prepping for the second run?

Regards;
Beanbag

[HarryKeogh]

Originally posted by Zep
He said "They're losers!".

That sums it up!

To clarify...this test was run in conjunction with JREF, right? what I mean is, what was the extent of JREF's involvement in the test.

[Quinn]

Originally posted by Beanbag
BTW, did anyone see the UFO in the background as they were prepping for the second run?

Damn you, Beanbag, for beating me to that joke (though I was going to call it a "paranormal hat-shaped event").

[Phrost]

I'm just sad that none of these guys were available in my area for me to help test.

[jmercer]

Me too. "Bowling for Humans" - great fun! :D

[Zep]

Originally posted by Beanbag
BTW, did anyone see the UFO in the background as they were prepping for the second run?Streetlamp.

Sorry.

We deliberately make them to look like UFOs to fool the more gullible among us, like Victor Zammit. ;)

[Kevin_Lowe]

Originally posted by jmercer
I did view the video. I'm a martial artist. That's trash.

Feel free to post video of yourself winning any kind of full-contact encounter on soft sand, starting with the screaming charge the YBers demand as part of the test, to show how much classier you look.

(The attackers are actually very skilled guys, who are going out of their way to take the Bamboo woos down without hurting them and apply a submission without hurting them. Note the BJJ t-shirt).

[Zep]

Originally posted by jmercer
There's another reason for me to like my cousins down under... they speak the truth so eloquently! :D I think you call it "dissing". We call it "sledging". Verbally psyching them out.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Kevin_Lowe
Feel free to post video of yourself winning any kind of full-contact encounter on soft sand, starting with the screaming charge the YBers demand as part of the test, to show how much classier you look.

(The attackers are actually very skilled guys, who are going out of their way to take the Bamboo woos down without hurting them and apply a submission without hurting them. Note the BJJ t-shirt). I don't think jmercer was being too serious with his comment, Kevin. ;)

But it's a fun little video, isn't it! And a great day out for all the kiddies too! Any idea where it was done?

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Zep
I don't think jmercer was being too serious with his comment, Kevin. ;)

But it's a fun little video, isn't it! And a great day out for all the kiddies too! Any idea where it was done?

Correct. :) I mean, who could take this seriously??

[Phrost]

BJJ guys aren't really known for their takedowns though... that last one where the guy planted his knee out there, the attacker should have 'turned the corner' and driven his shoulder into the knee straight into side control...

...from which he could have rained down knees on the guy's head or scored an easy keylock.

Just for the non-martial arts guys' reference... here's a video of a Traditional Chinese Martial Artist who put up $5000 of his own money that nobody could beat him. A MMA fighter took up the challenge, and you can see a keylock that ends it. (Turn your speakers on/off depending on if you want to hear the snap.)

www.bullshido.com/videos/MMAvsKungFu.avi

That's what would have happened if those guys were serious about hurting the YB woos.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Kevin_Lowe
Feel free to post video of yourself winning any kind of full-contact encounter on soft sand, starting with the screaming charge the YBers demand as part of the test, to show how much classier you look.

(The attackers are actually very skilled guys, who are going out of their way to take the Bamboo woos down without hurting them and apply a submission without hurting them. Note the BJJ t-shirt).

I wasn't being very serious... but I was actually thinking about the YB guys and what they were doing. (Or not doing, perhaps is a better term. :D)

No problem with the attackers, they did a wonderful job of demonstrating that Yellow Bamboo is... well... Yellow BS. ;)

[Kevin_Lowe]

Originally posted by jmercer
I wasn't being very serious... but I was actually thinking about the YB guys and what they were doing. (Or not doing, perhaps is a better term. :D)

No problem with the attackers, they did a wonderful job of demonstrating that Yellow Bamboo is... well... Yellow BS. ;)

Oh. Gotcha. Sorry for jumping on my high horse, then. :)

[Beanbag]

Originally posted by Zep
Streetlamp.

Sorry.

We deliberately make them to look like UFOs to fool the more gullible among us, like Victor Zammit. ;)

No, you missed it: the bright, disk-like object that flew from right to left. It looked suspiciously like a Frisbee (tm).

What can I say? It's the photographer in me -- I pay attention to backgrounds.

Regards;
Beanbag

[jmercer]

Well, there was probably more realistic content in the background. On the other hand, it would have been very hard to beat the foreground for entertainment value. :D

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by Zep
I think you call it "dissing". We call it "sledging". Verbally psyching them out.

I didn't take it to be "dissing" or "sledging." I considered it to be a factual statement regarding the status of the Yellow Bamboo formal challenge application.

[Psiload]

Originally posted by KRAMER
A test has been conducted. The applicant failed.

You probably all know the Yellow Bamboo Baloney.

Here is the link to the test. I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ftrust/


(Edited by Darat to correct URL.) Ah yes... the traditional Shaolin "Ostrich Style" of self defense... whereby one wards off an attacker by planting one's head firmly in the sand.

Very effective.

[Patricio Elicer]

Da*n!, I was AFK for a few days, and missed the action.

Can anyone summarize what "paranormal ability" the Yellow Bamboo folk was tested for?. I saw he video, and yet it's not clear to me.

Does this case have anything to do with the YB claim that the Danish Skeptics are making arrangements to test for?

Thanks!

[Lisa Simpson]

From Randi's commentary http://www.randi.org/jr/021403.html

Go there and see just how silly their claims are. They say they can "knock down attackers from 10 feet away or heal someone dying from something just using [their] own energy." Sure. Can't think of an easier claim to test! Knock me down that way, or let me throw a few cobras in with one of the followers.... Hey, that's science!

[Patricio Elicer]

Ah, thanks. So the attacker was supposed to be knocked down before making physical contact with the yellow, huh?. Well, for all I've seen, it was the yellow himself who was actually knocked down. Double failure.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Patricio Elicer
Does this case have anything to do with the YB claim that the Danish Skeptics are making arrangements to test for?


Not "are". "Were".

[Ashles]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Not "are". "Were".

Anyone who hasn't read the hilarious Yellow Bamboo Challenge thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51260) is recommended to read it now.

It is most amusing.

Defend themselves against attackers?
They fail to even defend themselves even in an internet thread.

[webfusion]

"The person will begin the attack from approximately 20 feet away and run towards Mr. Serengen, attempting to strike him with a bamboo stick." ---- the suggested protocol from J. Randi to Mr Donovan. What happened to the part about the bamboo stick? The whole thing couldn't possibly work without a Yellow Bamboo Stick, so the test was flawed, obviously.

Now, if this is the kind of thing that gets one $1-million, well, I happen to know an Israeli KRAV MAGA master, Guy Dar, who can really move so fast and has such lightening reflexes that he would actually be able to perform this maneuver perfectly and fake the attacker out of his shoes, causing a fall, without contact.

Or, we can watch the Super Bowl football game this weekend and see a few "moves" by the linebackers that make their opponents fall without contact!! GO PATS --- BIRD FRICASSEE!

[Moose]

Originally posted by Beanbag
No, you missed it: the bright, disk-like object that flew from right to left. It looked suspiciously like a Frisbee (tm).

You might be right, but I've got a feeling it was a gull. When it gets over the driftwood, it starts gaining altitude.

[thatguywhojuggles]

http://thatguywhojuggles.com/yellowbamboo.jpg

"Maybe if I stick my head in the sand..."

[Bfef]

They should have painted the dog a sand colour, then set it after the attacker!

[princhester]

Originally posted by Kevin_Lowe
Note the BJJ t-shirt.

Noted. Now what should that mean to me? :)

[princhester]

Note how in the "rules" video, the YB guy says the attacker has to be angry.

Wanna bet that within YB someone is saying: "yeah but they weren't actually angry, they were just pretending to be angry for the purpose of the test, so it doesn't count"?

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by princhester
Note how in the "rules" video, the YB guy says the attacker has to be angry.

Wanna bet that within YB someone is saying: "yeah but they weren't actually angry, they were just pretending to be angry for the purpose of the test, so it doesn't count"?

Been there, done that. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51260)

[jmercer]

What's really, really stupid about that requirement is that if they ever succeed in finding a "qualified" challenger, some poor YB person is going to get the cr@p beat out of them. The guy in the video was clearly making an effort to not hurt these people while making it 100% clear that they were bogus.

Someone truly angry... or enraged... is going to do some harm. Idiocy, pure and simple. The jerk who created YB has done a major disservice to the gullible amongst us by having them believe they can now defend themselves from angry attackers.

I will give the YB people in that video credit for one thing, and one thing only. They stuck to their "art" and the "techniques" of their art even though they were obviously being humiliated.

I've seen bogus martial artists who - when faced with losing - switch from their bogus art to something that actually works, and then claim what they did was a "hidden" part of their art, etc. At least these people didn't try something like that.

[Hutch]

Originally posted by princhester
Noted. Now what should that mean to me? :)

Note sure how much you were joking, but BJJ is Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, a type of martial art that (from what i have seen of it) is mostly ground-type combat employing various joint and bone locks that can effectively lead to surrender (or broken bones). Google the name Royce Gracie, he's the name I've heard the most. He does some of those "NHB" tournaments and often whips on guys much larger than himself.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by princhester
Note how in the "rules" video, the YB guy says the attacker has to be angry.

Wanna bet that within YB someone is saying: "yeah but they weren't actually angry, they were just pretending to be angry for the purpose of the test, so it doesn't count"?
LOL. So YB won't work against a robber who is simply working his night job. "No offense, dude, but give me all your money or I will be forced to (unemotionally) beat the crap out of you."

Then again, I guess one way to prove the attacker was angry would be to have him actually beat the crap out of the YB guy. "Hey, it was in the agreed protocol."

[Phrost]

Originally posted by Hutch
Note sure how much you were joking, but BJJ is Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, a type of martial art that (from what i have seen of it) is mostly ground-type combat employing various joint and bone locks that can effectively lead to surrender (or broken bones). Google the name Royce Gracie, he's the name I've heard the most. He does some of those "NHB" tournaments and often whips on guys much larger than himself.

Video highlight of Royce in the first two Ultimate Fighting Championships:

www.bullshido.com/videos/royce.wmv

At a skinny 180 lbs, he took on some monsters and dominated, using BJJ. The theory behind it is simple: take your opponent to the ground and establish positional dominance in order to avoid/negate striking. From there you are free to submit, choke, break bones, or even just rain down punches/knees/elbows/etc on your opponent.

His destruction of many recognized martial arts masters shattered the established (mis)understanding of the effectiveness of how most martial arts had been trained in this country since they became popular after WWII.

The other principle that makes BJJ training more effective than many martial arts is the fact that like Judo, almost all of its techniques can be practiced at full speed/strength/resistance on a regular basis without an excessive risk of injury. This prepares the BJJ fighter to deal with a situation more effectively. Instead of playing foot/hand tag for points, breaking boards, or any other such rubbish, the BJJ guy "fights" almost every time he goes in to class.

Plus, it's just a hell of a lot of fun.

[princhester]

Scene: a beach in Florida. YB guy standing, ready. Martial arts guy standing 20 yards away ready to assist the JREF by charging the YB guy as a test. James Randi himself standing nearby, keeping an eye on things.

MA guy: "OK, I'm ready, make me angry."

YB: "You suck!"

MA guy: "mmm, nope, not angry yet"

YB: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

MA guy: "Aww c'mon, you can do better than that."

YB: "At college, your girlfriend was known as 'the town bike'"

MA guy: "Naah, she wasn't"

YB: "You're right, she was too ugly to $%@# and still is"

MA guy: "Look, umm, I think this a bit pathetic, I'm just not getting angry at all, really"

YB: "Hmmmm. OK. Uri Geller is an honest saint who can bend spoons with his mind!"

James Randi (head down, charging): "AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGH!

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
At one point in the video, the "attacker," the guy in black, comes right up into the camera and says something. But I couldn't understand it. Did anyone else catch what he said?
"They're losers".

[Moose]

princhester:

:dl:

[sf108]

If YB is the most powerful martial arts in the world, where the no-touch theory is it's secret, why aren't they showing up at UFC?

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by sf108
If YB is the most powerful martial arts in the world, where the no-touch theory is it's secret, why aren't they showing up at UFC?
Yellow Bamboo isn't the most powerful, esoteric MA in the world; KIXA (http://www.kixa-international.com/) is!
:p :D

[webfusion]

These XIXI people have figured out how to fly!

http://www.kixa-international.com/images/Pictures/pic10.jpg

[Rainbow Snake]

Contrary to what Randi said in the latest Swift and Kramer in the Challenge posting, this was not an "official" test by the Australian Skeptics for the $110,000 Paranormal Prize.

The truth is actually better. A couple of martial-arts fans from Perth
got together and organised the test themselves.
As they said on the video,
"Such challenges are really over-rated. We're not representing our school or our Art - what we are representing is the force of common-sense."

The beach was in Western Australia rather than Bali.

Hmmm years since I've posted here.
Props to the qskeptics crew.

RS (No not that RS a different one)

[Vikram]

I personally found the little dog hilarious. The way it rushed in when the tackling began was priceless! :D :D :D

[dinosaur_knight]

Originally posted by webfusion
Now, if this is the kind of thing that gets one $1-million, well, I happen to know an Israeli KRAV MAGA master, Guy Dar, who can really move so fast and has such lightening reflexes that he would actually be able to perform this maneuver perfectly and fake the attacker out of his shoes, causing a fall, without contact.[/B]
I've seen an aikidoist cause a fall by simply sidestepping an overextended strike. The trick would be convincing the judges that it's somehow "paranormal." :) If that qualifies, then I've got one: I can make small objects fly across the room with my hand.

[Placebo]

Uh guys, you might want to check this out : http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/2/prweb106721.htm
Million Dollar Challenge Winner Proclaims James Randi Fraud ... submitted by A. Donovan !?

On 14 September 2003 Mr. Nyoman Serengen, the founder of Yellow Bamboo (with over 40,000 members) successfully slammed down, without touching, the Randi representative Mr. Joko Tri clearly demonstrating extraordinary paranormal ability. Once the demonstration was successfully carried out James Randi frantically scrambled to concoct a phony pretext not to pay

Once the Yellow Bamboo organization actually scientifically demonstrated paranormal ability Randi went into panic mode and was seen grasping at any straw available to induce his congregation not to realize he is a fraud.

I thought my exposure to some woo site might come in handy at times :)

Now, who is been 'naughty' here - Mr Donovan or the press?
Makes one angry doesn't it? :mad:

[Gr8wight]

Be aware that PRWeb is not a news service. It is simply a web site that will allow anyone to post anything they want, and call it a press release. Interesting reading:

former sleigh of hand con artist James Randi

There you have it! James Randi has been Santa Claus all this time.

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by Rainbow Snake
Contrary to what Randi said in the latest Swift and Kramer in the Challenge posting, this was not an "official" test by the Australian Skeptics for the $110,000 Paranormal Prize.

The truth is actually better. A couple of martial-arts fans from Perth
got together and organised the test themselves.
As they said on the video,
"Such challenges are really over-rated. We're not representing our school or our Art - what we are representing is the force of common-sense."

The beach was in Western Australia rather than Bali.

Hmmm years since I've posted here.
Props to the qskeptics crew.

RS (No not that RS a different one)




Actually you are right- Randi and Kramer *were* lying as usual when they claimed a "test" had been done.

But (with respect) what you say is not accurate either-

A Yellow Bamboo in Perth organised the test and invited Fraser
along.

It is also interesting to note- there are many tapes out there showing a successful knocking down but the only one people believe is the one where YB loses. Can you spell "Cognitive Dissonance"?

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
Actually you are right- Randi and Kramer *were* lying as usual when they claimed a "test" had been done.

But (with respect) what you say is not accurate either-

A Yellow Bamboo in Perth organised the test and invited Fraser
along.

It is also interesting to note- there are many tapes out there showing a successful knocking down but the only one people believe is the one where YB loses. Can you spell "Cognitive Dissonance"?



I also forgot to mention that YB also invited Fraser to Bali to attack the founder of YB Nyoman Serengen, even offered a way to pay for it all- Fraser initially agreed but later backed out.

THe rationale for inviting him was this- One could say it did not work because the Perth YB practitioner was not prepared or whatever BUT if Fraser were to successfully attack the founder
then there could be no excuses.

Unfortunatly Fraser and Peter Delly have chickened out.

BWM

PS- Hi Kevin :-)

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
It is also interesting to note- there are many tapes out there showing a successful knocking down

But not under controlled conditions, where the attackers are not brainwashed YB customers and where you can actually SEE the event taking place.


but the only one people believe is the one where YB loses. Can you spell "Cognitive Dissonance"?

You don't understand. We like the videos of your people getting knocked on their ass because they are FUNNY.

By all means carry on with the tired excuses, though.

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by TheBoyPaj
But not under controlled conditions, where the attackers are not brainwashed YB customers and where you can actually SEE the event taking place.




You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html

I actually can see them quite well. But hey like I said because of cognitive dissonance- you will only believe what you see if it confirms your beliefs.
Do not let fact get in the way of what you believe cause you would lose your consciousness then :-)

See yua Kevin

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
It is also interesting to note- there are many tapes out there showing a successful knocking down but the only one people believe is the one where YB loses. Yes, because it was done under controlled conditions. Be it an "official" or "unofficial" test, the important aspect is that the Australian skeptic was not knocked down.

As for the other videos, we can only tell for sure that those people fell to the ground, but it's not possible to tell the reason why. You say it's because of YB special powers. I say I don't believe you because the evidence isn't strong enough, there are mundane alternative explanations.

[sf108]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html

I actually can see them quite well. But hey like I said because of cognitive dissonance- you will only believe what you see if it confirms your beliefs.
Do not let fact get in the way of what you believe cause you would lose your consciousness then :-)

See yua Kevin

HAHAHHAHAHHAHA Baliwesternman. You're such a dums#!t! You provided a link of 3 videos. 1 shows Donavin pointing his hands at some hobos and them falling. 1 is a YB promotional/marketing video. 1 is of some guy wearing a yellow shirt waving his hands around, and other people wearing yellow shirts falling on the sand.

errr...where is this mystical power you were referring to? LOL!

Are you telling me if I fell on the sand on a beach, I'm now invincible?

Please be more immature.

btw. Any tests done in Sydney? I'll be happy to attend. You can tell the YB guys in Indonesia to take a flight here to Sydney, and they can win AUD110,000, which will more than cover for the air ticket.

110,000 - 1000 = 109,000.00 = Profit. WHY NOT APPLY? And that's not even close to the JREF prize.

Final word: GG.

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by Patricio Elicer
Yes, because it was done under controlled conditions. Be it an "official" or "unofficial" test, the important aspect is that the Australian skeptic was not knocked down.

As for the other videos, we can only tell for sure that those people fell to the ground, but it's not possible to tell the reason why. You say it's because of YB special powers. I say I don't believe you because the evidence isn't strong enough, there are mundane alternative explanations.


1. he was NOT an Australian Skeptic and had nothing to do with the aussie skeptic society or whatever they cvall themselves.

2. It is interesting to note that both Kramer and Randi **lied** about the perth yb demo being a test but no one here seems to notice or care that they lie. But thats all part of being in their "cult" is it not?

BWM

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
Actually you are right- Randi and Kramer *were* lying as usual when they claimed a "test" had been done. But if it was not a test, then what was it?

Whether or not the guy in the demo belongs to an Australian skeptic org is not nearly as important as the fact that he wasn't knocked down.

[Placebo]

Hmm.. okay, I'm being a dunce again :p
That news post on PRWeb was back in Feb 2004. This latest video was recorded in 2005. So I'm trying to find out more about the previous yellow bamboo tests that were done.... one of the long-standing members should know a lot about this?

(And yes, of course I'm doing a search on it first ;))

[Patricio Elicer]

Hi Placebo,

Take a look at

Sept 19, 2003 Commentary (http://www.randi.org/jr/091903.html)

Sept 26, 2003 Commentary (http://www.randi.org/jr/092603.html)

Oct 3, 2003 Commentary (http://www.randi.org/jr/100303.html)

Oct 10, 2003 Commentary (http://www.randi.org/jr/101003.html)

[Placebo]

Thanks Patricio :)
You missed this one though: Commentary for 17 Oct 2003 (http://www.randi.org/jr/101703.html)

I also found the following links:
Relatively recent thread on this news: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39484&highlight=Serengen
Discussing the press: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28067&highlight=Serengen
More discussion about how Randi handled it: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37054&highlight=Serengen

To summarise (for those newbies like me)
Back in 2003, the Yellow Bamboo bunch were tested by Joko Tri. Joko Tri was NOT officially affiliated with Randi. However Randi did offer advice on the protocol to be used. Joko Tri WAS knocked down, however the resulting video showed the protocol was not followed at all, and it is difficult to determine what caused Joko to fall. It may have been a stun gun, or a number of other things. Nevertheless, it did leave things in the open as to whether something paranormal did occur. But certainly no real evidence.

Then again, in 2005, the Yellow Bamboo crowd were tested again. And this time it was a much better video, seems to be affiliated with Randi (in contention?), and a much tighter protocol was followed. They failed dismally. And looked like idiots.

Excuse any inaccuracies, correct them if you wish :)

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by Patricio Elicer
But if it was not a test, then what was it?



sorry it is just an interesting troll - from the way randi and kramer announced it they claimed it was a randi test and the applicant failed, when in fact it had *nothing* whatsoever to do with any randi challenge- that was clear.

The mildly interesting point is that many people just blindly follow and accept as truth *whatever* randi tells them.

In generasl it seems people here pore over every detail looking for faults in others and jump on it but whatever randi spounts they accept as gospel.

They were clearly being economical with the truth when they talked about the perth test.

Pure and simple troll just cause im bored for a few minutes today and wanted to see what I could stir up, right Kevin?

BWM

[Kimpatsu]

No, people do NOT "blindly follow whatever Randi says". That is a strawman argument and a lie. We follow the evidence, which in this case has shown us that when proper controls are applied to the experiment, Yellow Bamboo fails miserably.

[Jocce]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
In generasl it seems people here pore over every detail looking for faults in others and jump on it
BWM

Excuse moi my ignorance but seeing YB practioners being knocked over and wrestled down by some giggling surfing guy isn't exactly just "a detail" suggesting that YB is as full of it as any other force field, "projecting my chi" cult. Or is it?

As for the videos where a bunch of YB practioners fall to the ground when they try to attack their teacher. That's not YB stuff causing that. It's clearly an act of divine intervention prayed for by a bystander who, using the secret knowledge of the Qabalah, connects to God so that He raises a force field around the YB guru. tsk tsk tsk...don't you people know anything?

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Jocce
That's not YB stuff causing that. It's clearly an act of divine intervention prayed for by a bystander who, using the secret knowledge of the Qabalah, connects to God so that He raises a force field around the YB guru. tsk tsk tsk...don't you people know anything?
Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along :D :p
Except it's not God, it's the sumerian goddess Ninmah...

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html


I don't know who those people are. For all I know they are people who have been paid to fall over.

If that's the quality of evidence you have to offer, I can produce video evidence that I can make people fall over by just THINKING about it. That would beat your silly shouting system hands down, wouldn't it?

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
1. he was NOT an Australian Skeptic and had nothing to do with the aussie skeptic society or whatever they cvall themselves.


Relevance = 0. Even without being a skeptic he was able to observe correctly that you guys are "losers".


2. It is interesting to note that both Kramer and Randi **lied** about the perth yb demo being a test but no one here seems to notice or care that they lie. But thats all part of being in their "cult" is it not?

BWM

Demo or test, it would seem that KRAMER considered the controls good enough that had YB knocked the person down it would have been a passed prelim for the challenge. The Australian Skeptics did most of the work here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52068&highlight=Yellow+Bamboo

Your complaint is void of content, your accusations hypcritical.

[dinosaur_knight]

Most people who read these forums and/or Randi material in general have pretty much the same opinion of hucksters out to make a buck on other people's gullibility. But these Yellow Bamboo people seem particularly bad. Convincing people that they can actually defend themselves from physical violence with this nonsense is dangerous and irresponsible. Do the fraudsters involved not realize that, or do they just not care?

[webfusion]

OK, I have it on videotape.

Squirrels that have the Yellow Bamboo force.

http://www.scarysquirrel.org/special/movies/geico/

(slaps high-fives, low fives, knuckles -- so cool, dude)

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
sorry it is just an interesting troll - from the way randi and kramer announced it they claimed it was a randi test and the applicant failed, when in fact it had *nothing* whatsoever to do with any randi challenge- that was clear.Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean by this. In any case, for all I know Randi never claimed it was "his test". Kramer said it was a test conducted by Australian skeptics. Kramer said:

Soon we began to receive correspondence from Australian Skeptics stating that they had picked up the ball on this one.

The test was conducted last week. The results are as one might expect from such a claim; they failed.The mildly interesting point is that many people just blindly follow and accept as truth *whatever* randi tells them.This is clearly not the case. It's not blind belief, a test was conducted and YB failed, we all saw it.They were clearly being economical with the truth when they talked about the perth test.Regarding the Perth test, there's only one truth: YB failed.Pure and simple troll just cause im bored for a few minutes today and wanted to see what I could stir up, right Kevin?Kevin? :confused:

[sf108]

I don't see why he keeps mentioning Kevin, like he's trying expose someone? pfft.

I don't see YB winning the 1million any time soon.

[thatguywhojuggles]

Originally posted by dinosaur_knight
...Convincing people that they can actually defend themselves from physical violence with this nonsense is dangerous and irresponsible. Do the fraudsters involved not realize that, or do they just not care?

It has happened before.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ghost-dance

The ghost dance is chiefly significant because it was a central feature among the Sioux just prior to the massacre of hundreds of Sioux at Wounded Knee, S.Dak., in 1890. The Sioux, wearing shirts called ghost shirts, believed they would be protected from the soldiers' bullets.


edited to add:


When it became apparent that ghost shirts did not protect from bullets and the expected resurrection did not happen, most former believers quit the Ghost Dance.

I wonder if the YB people will quit their practice when shown that it does not work.

The Sioux were in a desperate situation, and were willing to try anything.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by webfusion
OK, I have it on videotape.

Squirrels that have the Yellow Bamboo force.

http://www.scarysquirrel.org/special/movies/geico/

(slaps high-fives, low fives, knuckles -- so cool, dude)

Don't you know Yellow Acorn Force when you see it?

[DBayn1]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
You mean these videos? http://yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/YB_videoclips.html

I actually can see them quite well. But hey like I said because of cognitive dissonance- you will only believe what you see if it confirms your beliefs.
Do not let fact get in the way of what you believe cause you would lose your consciousness then :-)

See yua Kevin

Just a minor point: This is not cognitive dissonance, if anything, it would be confirmation bias. I prefer to think of it as reality.
BTW: the videos are hilarious. Please make more.
Just my two cents.

[Humanists Harbor]

Hi Kevin!!!!

[mbuehner]

These guys are missing out on a huge revenue stream. Skeptics would pony up big bucks to whack these hucksters with a pole. Heck, id fly to Australia on my own dime just to smack these shmos around for a while. Maybe the new age healing people can get involved too, sounds like a great stress reliever: "Smacking around wanna-be ninjas cured my high blood pressure!" Its all about keying into the chi of the universe. And the universe hates dueschebags.

[Powa]

mbuehner, you don't seem to post much. Six posts in four years? 1.5 posts per year? :D

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by mbuehner
Heck, id fly to Australia on my own dime just to smack these shmos around for a while.

This is GREAT! We would like to invite you to the demo that Peter Delly of Perth has chickened out on.

We would like to scheduel it for the last week in May 2005. Please let us know if you are serious or just a liar like randi and kramer?

BWM

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
This is GREAT! We would like to invite you to the demo that Peter Delly of Perth has chickened out on.

We would like to scheduel it for the last week in May 2005. Please let us know if you are serious or just a liar like randi and kramer?

BWM
Are you applying for the $1 million? If so, you must follow the challenge protocol. (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html)

[princhester]

I'm not going to Perth any time soon, baliwesternman, but any time you want to get knocked over in Brisbane, let me know. I'dl love to watch, and maybe even participate (gettin' old, and haven't tackled anyone for 20 years :))

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by KRAMER
A test has been conducted. The applicant failed.

You probably all know the Yellow Bamboo Baloney.

Here is the link to the test. I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ftrust/


(Edited by Darat to correct URL.)


He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it

[thatguywhojuggles]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it

Regardless, it is still a complete failure of YB. What have you to say about that?

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it
Where is the lie? A test WAS conducted; nowhere does Kramer claim that Randi did the testing.
Such obvious attempts at obfuscation can only mean one thing: you can't bear to look at the truth of YB's failure.

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles
Regardless, it is still a complete failure of YB. What have you to say about that?


Glad you asked, in a bit of a rush, but here is my opinion:


A) **Every** other YB demo video has teh attacker running at the defender and they trying to hit them as hard as they can.

It would make sense that the test should be performed the way it was on every other video.

NOT saying the outcome would have been different but it would have made sense to do the perth demo exactly the way every other demo was done-

B) Now there are many videos showing yb defender being successful including the randi one in bali with joko tri-

FWIW- it seems randi only accepts as proper a test if yb fails- IE in perth they did not follow the randi protocol but he accepted those results but claimed his own representative joko tri
did not follow the protocol- you can bet if joko had won his challenmge that randi would have accepted it.

Instead in the randi bali challenge- cause randi needs to lie to avoid paying the money he claimed yb used a taser or stun gun- most people here just blindly accepted his explanation without really thinking it through:

1. Randi has a journalist there sitting only 2-3 meters fromt he action- surely he would have seen it if a gunb or taser was used.

2. If a taser was used you would have seent eh wires- the journao would have

3. If a stun gun was used then there would have had to be contact- there was no contact.

randis journalist was there- the taser or stun gun theory just dont hold water


but back to the main event- the perth yb test-

1. I think it would have been better if the perth attackers had followed the agreed protocol.


2. So at the very least I would like to see the perth test re done and the attackers follow the protocol- it is not understandable why they did not follow the agreed protocol.

3. No on the other hand CLEARLY the yb guy was not able to defend hiumself agaisnt grappling techniques so for the moment
we consider that yb is NOT to be taught as a defensive martial art.


OTOH- I would liek to see:

a) Perth test redone following the agreed protocol- I mean if randi can say a test is invalid if YB dont follow the protocol why cannot yb say a test is invalid if the attackers dont follow the protocol- what is good for one party should be good for the other.


b) Once that is done a above I woudl liek to see the same grappling attack done ont he founder of yb- just to be sure.


I am not saying I think it would turn out one way or the other I am saying if randi can require protocol to be followed or the test is disallowed it should be the same rule for yb defender as well.

anway see ya when i have mroe time kev

BWM-

PS_ Hey Kev when ya going to crosspost? I got loess than one month to organise the bali demo with peter delly

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
A) **Every** other YB demo video has teh attacker running at the defender and they trying to hit them as hard as they can.

It would make sense that the test should be performed the way it was on every other video.But this is precisely the case of the Perth demo. The attacker ran to the defender attempting to hit him, ... and in fact the defender was hit. The other videos show the attackers falling before making contact with the defender. Why didn't the Perth attacker fall?B) Now there are many videos showing yb defender being successful including the randi one in bali with joko tri-

FWIW- it seems randi only accepts as proper a test if yb fails- IE in perth they did not follow the randi protocol but he accepted those results but claimed his own representative joko tri
did not follow the protocol- you can bet if joko had won his challenmge that randi would have accepted it.

Instead in the randi bali challenge- cause randi needs to lie to avoid paying the money he claimed yb used a taser or stun gun- most people here just blindly accepted his explanation without really thinking it through:

1. Randi has a journalist there sitting only 2-3 meters fromt he action- surely he would have seen it if a gunb or taser was used.

2. If a taser was used you would have seent eh wires- the journao would have

3. If a stun gun was used then there would have had to be contact- there was no contact.

randis journalist was there- the taser or stun gun theory just dont hold waterWho is that journalist? Is he really a JREF representative?. Was he expressely appointed by Randi as part of the protocol?. In any case, the answer is simple. We couldn't see a damn thing in that (in)famous video because it was shot at night and in close up. How can someone decide for him/her self, regardless of any witness testimony, when it's not possible to see the action properly?. Why didn't YB carry out the demo in daylight as previously agreed?. Why do you expect us to believe in this dark and blurry video?. Pretty reasonable questions, huh?

[princhester]

Baliwesternman, in what way was the protocol not followed in Perth?

I don't take any notice of the other videos because they either don't show anything (they're taken at night) or they only involve YB people, who are hardly independant.

Why do you describe the journalist in Bali as "Randi's journalist" when he wasn't?

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by Patricio Elicer
But this is precisely the case of the Perth demo. The attacker ran to the defender attempting to hit him, ... and in fact the defender was hit. The other videos show the attackers falling before making contact with the defender. Why didn't the Perth attacker fall?Who is that journalist? Is he really a JREF representative?. Was he expressely appointed by Randi as part of the protocol?. In any case, the answer is simple. We couldn't see a damn thing in that (in)famous video because it was shot at night and in close up. How can someone decide for him/her self, regardless of any witness testimony, when it's not possible to see the action properly?. Why didn't YB carry out the demo in daylight as previously agreed?. Why do you expect us to believe in this dark and blurry video?. Pretty reasonable questions, huh?

Okay they are pretty reasonable-

first of all I am NOT trying to suggest that the yb would work if they were to test as I suggest and I am NOT trying to promote yb as a form of self defense and taking your questions in turn

1. The perth attacker attempted to wrestle the person to the ground and put them in a jui jitsu hold they did not try to run at the defener and hit as hard as he could which is what every other attack demo video I have ever seen shows.


2. As to the journalist- randi asked *his* representative Joko Tri to get a journalist on Randis behalf so I am saying the journalist was there on randi behalf but your right he was not owned by randi just there on his request. My point was the journo was not organised by the yb people but by randis representative himself.


3. As to why the video was taken in dark conditions- Joko Tri was late NOT yb so randis rep was late.


However- I would still like to see the demos for my own edification. Dont really mater one way or the otehr really now does it?

BWM

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by princhester
Baliwesternman, in what way was the protocol not followed in Perth?

I don't take any notice of the other videos because they either don't show anything (they're taken at night) or they only involve YB people, who are hardly independant.

Why do you describe the journalist in Bali as "Randi's journalist" when he wasn't?


As to the journalist- randi asked *his* representative Joko Tri to get a journalist on Randis behalf so I am saying the journalist was there on randi behalf but your right he was not owned by randi just there on his request. My point was the journo was not organised by the yb people but by randis representative himself.


As to why the video was taken in dark conditions- Joko Tri was late NOT yb so randis rep was late.


Hey but the big news is that a guy who trains YB is entered into a fighting contest this weekend in florida watch this space............

ha ha ha

[Zep]

BWM, would you please tell us the location and date of this "fight" in Florida the YB proponent is entering. We would like to obtain first-hand results of how he goes for you.

[princhester]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
[B]As to the journalist- randi asked *his* representative Joko Tri to get a journalist on Randis behalf so I am saying the journalist was there on randi behalf but your right he was not owned by randi just there on his request.

What's your source for this? It doesn't accord with what I recall.

The perth attacker attempted to wrestle the person to the ground and put them in a jui jitsu hold they did not try to run at the defener and hit as hard as he could which is what every other attack demo video I have ever seen shows

Firstly, the YB guy was supposed to knock the attacker down using his amazing powers before the attacker got to him. He failed to do so. That the attacker then wrestled the YB guy rather than hitting him hardly seems relevant. The YB guy had already failed by then.

Secondly, you've watched the video. You've seen the discussions between the attacker and the YB guys about the protocol. What the attacker was going to do, and what was going to constitute a pass or fail were discussed at length. It was made quite clear that the attacker was going to force the YB guy to the ground and get a lock on him and that was going to be a fail. At no time did the YB guy say that that was an inappropriate protocol because the attacker had to "hit as hard as he could".

In other words, what you are engaging in is classic woo woo crap, in which a protocol is agreed, the protocol is followed, the woo woo fails, then the woo woo comes up with after-the-fact, never-before-heard whinges dreamed up to explain away their failure.

[Zep]

Hey BWM! Watch this video (www.bullshido.com/videos/ybdemostupidity.mov), please. The YB proponent was run at, attacked, and HIT SOLIDLY, not just grappled and held. I would tend to say that it was sincerely intended and not just a passing accident, wouldn't you?

OK, what's your next pathetic excuse...

[princhester]

Oh, Zep I don't know whether to think of that as priceless or just tragic.

[Kiless]

Originally posted by princhester
Oh, Zep I don't know whether to think of that as priceless or just tragic.

****in' funny, if you ask me. Love her indignant gestures at the end. :D

[CFLarsen]

This is what we need, when we battle superstition.

Video, audio, pictures.

"Stuperstition"?

[princhester]

Is anyone able to pick up what language they are speaking and what they are saying at the end? It sounds maybe German or one of the Scandinavian languages.

[Zep]

Originally posted by princhester
Oh, Zep I don't know whether to think of that as priceless or just tragic. What the heck, it's pricelessly tragic! :)

[Zep]

Originally posted by Kiless
****in' funny, if you ask me. Love her indignant gestures at the end. :D You can just about hear the reality BITING! The poor diddums has just realised all too painfully that she has given away some hundreds of dollars to a pack of charlatans in yellow shirts...

[Zep]

Originally posted by princhester
Is anyone able to pick up what language they are speaking and what they are saying at the end? It sounds maybe German or one of the Scandinavian languages. This was from a previous thread here started by Phrost, who provided the video. Thanks, Phrost!

It was filmed in Sweden. One of our Swedish posters, Vitnir, provided a translation:The people in the film speaks swedish.
First the attackers says "tell me when you are ready"
After the attack the woman says "no it doesn't work", then "no, no I'm ok" then again "it doesn't work"
"what doesn't work?"
can't hear a few words
then "but how hard did you hit?"

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51010&highlight=bamboo+video

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
He is lying here- why does no one care that they lie?

Was not a test by randi or aussie skeptics was organised by YB in perth and had nothing to do with aussie skeptics or randi but of course the facts never bother them they just spout their dogma and you guys follow it

So who were these guys that beat the snot out of your disciples?

Your not really convincing anyone of anything with this tactic.

[jmercer]

You know, I am FAR from the best martial artist in my area - there are lots of local guys (and probably a few gals) who could beat the snot out of me.

But even I would do better against an attack like that. :D

[Hutch]

You know, this would be a good challenge for TAM4--there's space in the hall, I'm sure the Stardust could provide mats, we could work out a release from liability statement and protocol, and then see how they would do. Probably could even get TV coverage.

We apparently have more than a few folks here with Martial Arts training and I'd really like to see a couple of those "Eastern Masters" at one end of the mat while me (6'2", 270) Big Shoe Stu (6'8, 285) and a few others of some size prepare to charge (think Penn would like a go at them?).

Just a thought...

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by kookbreaker
So who were these guys that beat the snot out of your disciples?

Your not really convincing anyone of anything with this tactic.
Actually please do not flatter yourself I am NOT trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out the lies randi tells and how you follow like sheep but hey the sheep dont know they follow randi do they?

BWM

[jmercer]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
... just pointing out the lies randi tells and how you follow like sheep but hey the sheep dont know they follow randi do they?

BWM

My goodness. If you substitute "Yellow Bamboo" for "randi", it's virtually an accurate statement! :D

[princhester]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
Actually please do not flatter yourself I am NOT trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out the lies randi tells and how you follow like sheep but hey the sheep dont know they follow randi do they?

BWM

What crap. You are trying to convince us of something. Your posts all point in the same direction. You are just hiding behind the stance that you're not trying to convince us of something to shield your ego from the fact that you can't answer the hard questions, and you can't provide anything vaguely resembling evidence for your silly beliefs.

[thatguywhojuggles]

I decided to go back and look at the video clip of "Mr. Joko Tri" whom Randi assigned the task of testing the YB people.

Here is that video. (http://www.randi.org/jr/yellowbamboo.mpg)

Now my question is this. Who is Joko? Randi said "On August 11th, 2003, a Mr. Joko Tri Lestari, on the island of Java, wrote me volunteering to go to Bali and go through the Yellow Bamboo rigmarole that they'd put forth. I told him that though he appeared to have the right qualifications, and that I would normally accept him to do the preliminary test, I'd officially severed my connections with them. But, I told Joko, he was quite free to go there and see what happened, if they'd let him do so." (source (http://www.randi.org/jr/100303.html) )

Randi says that he had cut off communications with YB (something he does on a regular basis when applicants become unreasonable to work with.) So after cutting off communication with YB, this guy Joko contacts Randi and says he wants to test YB, and no doubt gives Randi information about himself suggesting he is qualified.

But Joko does not do his job properly. He didn't test during the daytime, he didn't have continuous video, etc.

And more important. Why is Joko wearing a YB shirt in the video???

I highly suspect this Joko character.


Edited to add:

I just noticed in one of Randi's commentaries (http://www.randi.org/jr/100303.html) the following:

several readers suggested that the solution to all this just might be that Mr. Joko Tri was in collusion with the Yellow Bamboo people, and simply fell down as he was supposed to. Yes, this is a distinct possibility, but I'll ask that you respect my intuition in this matter.

Though I do respect James Randi's intuition, I wonder if he just happen to not notice the fact that Joko is dressed as a YB practicioner.

[sf108]

Very true. Actually I just noticed it after you pointed it out.

That makes all videos that BWM has provided us to look at void of any content because all of them have attackers wearing YB shirts, and the only video of a YB failure is the one done in Perth where the attacker is totally independant of YB. And the Swedish one above...

Wow...isn't that hard to figure.

I suspect BWM has an IQ of around 65? Give or take a few...

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by Zep
We would like to obtain first-hand results of how he goes for you.

There's only one way to do that, Zep..

[Zep]

Originally posted by Hutch
You know, this would be a good challenge for TAM4--there's space in the hall, I'm sure the Stardust could provide mats, we could work out a release from liability statement and protocol, and then see how they would do. Probably could even get TV coverage.

We apparently have more than a few folks here with Martial Arts training and I'd really like to see a couple of those "Eastern Masters" at one end of the mat while me (6'2", 270) Big Shoe Stu (6'8, 285) and a few others of some size prepare to charge (think Penn would like a go at them?).

Just a thought... If I can possibly get to TAM4 I would SO love to be one of those testers! Really! I have a modicum of karate training, enough to land a very decent punch or kick on one of these people anyway.

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by Zep
If I can possibly get to TAM4 I would SO love to be one of those testers! Really! I have a modicum of karate training, enough to land a very decent punch or kick on one of these people anyway. I have no training in martial arts whatsoever, but I'd gladly volunteer to experience the YB mystical powers. All in all, I'll just have to run towards him in an aggresive manner, expecting to be knocked down before making contact.

[Donks]

Originally posted by Zep
If I can possibly get to TAM4 I would SO love to be one of those testers! Really! I have a modicum of karate training, enough to land a very decent punch or kick on one of these people anyway.
Forget having a group of skeptics running at them. Take them to the UNLV campus and have them face the Rebel's defense. They maybe be a sucky team in a mediocre conference, but I bet their defensive line and linebackers hit like a ton of bricks.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Zep
If I can possibly get to TAM4 I would SO love to be one of those testers! Really! I have a modicum of karate training, enough to land a very decent punch or kick on one of these people anyway.
I'm a 3rd dan in Shorinji Kempo, and I would love to try hitting them... but I don't want to be arrested.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
Actually please do not flatter yourself I am NOT trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out the lies randi tells and how you follow like sheep but hey the sheep dont know they follow randi do they?

BWM

Answer the question.

Who were these guys who beat the snot out of your disciples if they had nothing to do with JREF or the Aussie skeptics?

You have failed to point out a single lie in this matter. Repeating the allegation and trying to insult us doe snot make it true.

Now, who were these people?

[sf108]

I don't think they need to apply or do any testing.

Just walk straight into the UFC Octagon against Vitor Belfort, and that's the end of this YB business.

[baliwesternman]

Originally posted by kookbreaker
Answer the question.

Who were these guys who beat the snot out of your disciples if they had nothing to do with JREF or the Aussie skeptics?

You have failed to point out a single lie in this matter. Repeating the allegation and trying to insult us doe snot make it true.

Now, who were these people?

From what I know- they are two bjj practitioners from the martial arts newsgroups and they clearly stated they were not aussie skeptics and had nothing to do with randi challenge.

Kramer claimed teh applicant failed the test- in actual fact the yb person in perth never applied for the randi challenge at all.

[princhester]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
Kramer claimed teh applicant failed the test- in actual fact the yb person in perth never applied for the randi challenge at all.

I haven't done a comprehensive search but from what I can see, Kramer doesn't say that they did take the Randi challenge.

He does say "the applicant" failed "a test". I suspect he just means the test subject failed, and he's confused his language because he's used to dealing with test subjects who are applicants. Kramer is not exactly known for his preciseness of language.

What of it anyway bwm? You have any number of hard questions to answer and you're prattling on about irrelevancies. The key point is that YB failed. As to whether they failed a Randi test or some other test, so what? They failed. That would appear to be the big issue for you.

[thatguywhojuggles]

Before we even consider the Perth test, we should examine the "Joko" test.

I'll state the facts again.

1. Randi cut off communication with YB
2. "Joko" contacts Randi, claiming to be qualified to test YB.
3. "Joko" procedes with the test but does so poorly because he: a. didn't do the test during the day. b. didn't video tape the entire test and c. was asked to only "tap" the man with the stick, but instead was clearly trying to strike him with it.
4. (And most suspiciously) "Joko" is wearing the same uniform as that of a YB practicioner.

So looking over the above facts, if I had to guess what has happened, I would say this. YB wanted to be tested, and when Randi cut off communication with them, they had one of their own (yellow shirt wearing "Joko") contact Randi pretending to be a skeptic interested in testing the YB claim.

The only reason I can imagine "Joko" would be so stupid as to leave his yellow shirt on is because he is that stupid.

If anyone has verifiable evidence that proofs me wrong, do pipe up.

If I am correct and "Joko" was a YB plant, then they are being dishonest, and should not be trusted for any further testing--making whether or not the Perth test was claimed as a JREF test is irrelivant.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles
If anyone has verifiable evidence that proofs me wrong, do pipe up.

If I am correct and "Joko" was a YB plant, then they are being dishonest, and should not be trusted for any further testing--making whether or not the Perth test was claimed as a JREF test is irrelivant.
It's a moot point. Even if Joko was not a plant, the test was performed unsatisfactorily. I doubt anybody can argue otherwise.

Since it's a moot point, I'm more than willing to go with Randi's opinions on the matter.

[steenkh]

Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles

The only reason I can imagine "Joko" would be so stupid as to leave his yellow shirt on is because he is that stupid.

Actually, I believe it was discussed at the time, even before the test: The YB demanded that Joko enrolled in their organisation, but they allowed it to be in a symbolic way where he only put on their shirt.

Has anybody heard anything from Joko since? It would have been interesting to hear his version of the events after some time has passed. Maybe he became a YB convert?

[Moose]

Originally posted by steenkh
Actually, I believe it was discussed at the time, even before the test: The YB demanded that Joko enrolled in their organisation, but they allowed it to be in a symbolic way where he only put on their shirt.

It was pretty clear, too, from the bright/contrast adjusted footage that Joko Tri had come under improper contact by one of the group of YBers who insisted upon running around him during the test.

The only real question was the exact nature of that contact. The poor quality of the footage was insufficient to glean any details of that contact with any real certainty. There was some discussion, as I recall, about whether that was an arm or a leg striking Joko's back.

In any case, the demonstration violated the agreed-upon protocol on several significant points.

[Gaga]

hello,
I might be blind as a bat, but there's the possibility that one of the YB folks running behind in that video let a good ol' style kick land on the back of Joko's head.
I admit that there's also the possibility that he was just falling down along with the others in a particularly uncoordinated way.

Anyway the only one who could tell something new is that Joko fellow. Did Anybody hear something from him?

[steenkh]

Originally posted by Gaga
Anyway the only one who could tell something new is that Joko fellow. Did Anybody hear something from him?
Right after the event, he explained that he had suddenly collapsed, and that he had felt nothing at all. He could not explain what had happened.

It was surmised by Randi and others that he was struck down by a taser. Supposedly you do not feel a thing while you collapse.

[Placebo]

I've heard the argument that a taser/tazer would have been clearly visible in the dark (sparks)
My counter argument is that the tazer may have been situated on the opposite side of Joko from the camera perspective.
Any better arguments?

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by Placebo
I've heard the argument that a taser/tazer would have been clearly visible in the dark (sparks)


A fwe words: A Tazer and A Stun Gun are two different things.

A tazer shoots darts into a person that are attached to a wire. The wire carries electricity and that goes into the body. There is no reason to see sparks unless part of the dart is touching metal.

A stun gun is held against the body. Most people who see stun guns see the flying sparks arcing between the contact leads and assume it would be visible. But in reality it would not since the thing is usually pressed against the body, making the flesh/clothing into an electrical carrier.

Stun Gun salesmen love to show the arcing electricity (which is not sparking, BTW) to demonstrate the 'effectiveness' of their product. But in every demonstration of a stun gun that I have seen the arcing just isn't visible.

[thatguywhojuggles]

Originally posted by steenkh
Actually, I believe it was discussed at the time, even before the test: The YB demanded that Joko enrolled in their organisation, but they allowed it to be in a symbolic way where he only put on their shirt.


Can you show me a link where this protocole is being discussed before Randi cut off communication with YB? Thanks.

I doubt there was a stun gun involved.

stun guns FAQ (http://www.protectmefirst.com/stun_gun_faq.htm#4.%20%20What%20are%20the%20effect s%20of%20a%20stun%20gun?)

As a general rule, a 1/4 second contact will repel and startle the attacker, giving intense pain and muscle contraction. One to two seconds will cause intense pain, muscle spasms and a dazed mental state, this may drop the attacker to the ground. Over three seconds will cause intense pain, loss of balance, loss of muscle control, mental confusion and disorientation. Generally any charge over three seconds will cause the aggressor to fall to the ground. The aggressor will be unable to recover for several minutes and effects may last for up to fifteen minutes.
(emphases mine)

So in order to be guaranteed he drops to the ground, one would have to make contact with him (while running behind him for 2-3 seconds.

So, the stun gun is unlikely. I have heard it argued that the tazer gun could not have been used because it would have left holes in his shirt.

Tazer FAQ (http://www.self-defense-products-depot.com/stun-gun-taser-faq.html#must%20the%20probes)

Must the probes penetrate the body to be effective?
No. The electrical current will "jump" up to two inches as long as both probes are attached to clothing or skin. At most, only the 3/8-inch needlepoint will penetrate the skin. They have less energy than a spring propelled BB.


However I still find the tazer idea unlikely. If he had been shot in the back on on his right side, it would have been visible to the camera. So the only place he could have been shot would his left side. It would be pretty impressive to shoot a running person from the side in the dark.

I still suspect Joko.

[steenkh]

Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles
Can you show me a link where this protocole is being discussed before Randi cut off communication with YB? Thanks.

I guess I cannot. A bit of lazy searching has brought this quote from the "Yellow Bamboo for real?"-thread:
Originally posted by theBoyPaj
The reason for the yellow shirt is that it was one of the stipulations of the test. The guinea pig had to join the group and be initiated.

I cannot find anything from before the "test".

But I did find CFLarsen's lengthy post where he reprints the entire communication between Joko Tri and James Randi (http://randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870141000#post1870141000). This might be of some interest to this discussion.

[thatguywhojuggles]

Thanks for the info and links, steenkh.

Reading all the emails between Joko and Randi just raises more questions for me.

1. Joko claims to have joined Yellow Bamboo "a few days earlier so I wore my Yellow Bamboo uniform issued to me on my joining day." Now Joko is from the island of Java, and the YB chapter he tested is on Bali.I live in Indonesia and am a muslim from the island of Java. A friend of mine from Australia told me about your challenge with the yellow bamboo organisation on baliDid Joko join the Bali chapter of YB, or was there a YB group on Java? If he did join the Bali YB chapter, it seems ambitious of him to travel to Bali, join the YBs, go home for "a few days" and then travel to Bali again. If he joined a group of YBs in Java, why did he have to travel to Bali? He could have been tested there on Java.

2. Joko claims his intention was to tap the man with the bamboo stick:
We stood about 10 meters from Mr Serengen and
I came toward him with the intention of tappinghim with the bamboo pole.
But if you watch the video, he has the stick above his head in what looks like a striking, not tapping position.

3. Joko claims that there were other "attackers" running behind him: I had some others behind me (Mr Ananda and Suardana) who also walked towards Mr Serengen after I started... ...The others behind me also were knocked to the ground. But they were behind me not in front of me. Well, technically he didn't call them "attackers" but according to YB, the only way it will work is if the person approaching has the intention of attacking. Anyway, it was dark, and there were a total of at least 3 people "attacking." So how are we to be sure it is Joko we see in the video, since they are all wearing yellow shirts?

Regardless whether or not these questions ever get answered, and we find out the truth, the fact of the matter is that the test was done poorly, and did not follow the pre set protocols.

I still suspect Joko. Even if Joko is who he claims to be (a skeptic) he could still be a person who saw an opportunity to make some money by working with YB to win the Million Dollars.

Anyone know Joko, and want to invite him here to defend my accusations?

[Placebo]

I remember reading that Joko was threatened with legal action from the YB crowd. That wouldn't be consistent with him being a full-blown YB member - I doubt they'd have sued him otherwise.

(I believe I read this in the commentary)

[Zep]

Originally posted by Placebo
I remember reading that Joko was threatened with legal action from the YB crowd. That wouldn't be consistent with him being a full-blown YB member - I doubt they'd have sued him otherwise.

(I believe I read this in the commentary) I would like to know WHAT the YB crowd could threaten him with legal action about. For being associated with Randi? Revealing the secret handshake? Revealing the YB secret hideout?

I would also like to know where the story of this legal action about this came FROM. If it was from someone like baliwesternman (BWM) then it would be all to obviously a story that would have had very little likelihood of truth to it.

I think quite a few of us had sincere doubts about Joko Tri from the beginning, but we were prepared to see how it turned out. As it was, it hardly matters - the resulting video is a giant farce anyway and rightly discarded as evidence of anything but what it obviously is.

Personally, I thought it was then, and continue to think now, that Joko was indeed a "joko" - it was all a YB setup; far too pat, staged and obvious.

[Placebo]

To clear up some confusion: Was the Joko test a legitimate prelim test or not?

As I understand, Randi had cut off comms with YB, so such a thing was not possible.

Should the test have been the real thing, then I would adamantly side with YB that it is the responsibility of the tester to ensure the protocol is adhered to, by the representative of JREF.

However, should it NOT have been the real thing, then the protocol used is really irrelevant anyway - they had no shot at the challenge after all. As such Joko was recruited as a 'casual' representative and not a full-blown prelim tester.

I'd go so far as to say that it seems Joko was simply conversing with Randi on a good protocol (which he nevertheless broke), and had no direct relation to JREF.

Someone please clear this up for me - I'm hearing a few differing answers on this :)

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Placebo
To clear up some confusion: Was the Joko test a legitimate prelim test or not?
No.
Joko Tri did not follow Randi's instructions.

[KRAMER]

Originally posted by Placebo
To clear up some confusion: Was the Joko test a legitimate prelim test or not?

Someone please clear this up for me - I'm hearing a few differing answers on this :)

Nope. This test was independent. It had nothing to do with JREF or Randi in any way.

But it WAS a test. It just wasn't a JREF Paranormal Challenge test.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Nope. This test was independent. It had nothing to do with JREF or Randi in any way.

But it WAS a test. It just wasn't a JREF Paranormal Challenge test.
Thanks for the clarification ;)

In that case, I don't see what everyone is going on about. The Joko test was casual and haphazardly executed, and the latest test was priceless :D
Case closed IMO - for now

[steenkh]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Nope. This test was independent. It had nothing to do with JREF or Randi in any way.

But it WAS a test. It just wasn't a JREF Paranormal Challenge test.
It is not entirely true that this test had nothing to do with Randi, cf. the correspondance between Joko Tri and Randi. I also think it is true that it was not a JREF Paranormal Challenge test, but the problem is that it is not entirely clear if Joko Tri was aware of that, and the Yellow Bamboo was certainly not aware of it.


Randi starts by telling Tri, "Yes, I would accept you as a volunteer on behalf of the JREF." He then tells that he has broken off communication with YB, but he never makes it clear that he just wants to advise Tri on how to perform a "private" test, and I am sure that Tri presented himself to YB as the official JREF tester.

So there is some merit to YB's subsequent complaints about JREF reneging on the challenge, although I think it must be clear that if JREF breaks off communication, there cannot be a JREF test until communication has been resumed with the JREF. In any case the YB did not win the money, even if it had been an official JREF preliminary test, because there would have been a formal test to pass, too, and the protocol breaches invalidated the entire test procedure.

[Kimpatsu]

It could never have been a JREF preliminary test, because Joko Tri didn't follow the protocol the JREF had devised.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu
It could never have been a JREF preliminary test, because Joko Tri didn't follow the protocol the JREF had devised.
Huh? If YB had documentation to the effect of a JREF test, then the protocol conformance is JREF's problem IMO.

If JREF screws up in the test protocol, then they pass the prelim since it was their responsibility. As I understand/see it.
It's much the same as if the person had cheated to get past the prelim - they would get the money regardless.

Nevertheless, this is NOT an official JREF test, and this is not the case. Joko was testing independently.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Placebo
Huh? If YB had documentation to the effect of a JREF test, then the protocol conformance is JREF's problem IMO.
In that case, I'm asking you to send me $1, but you screw up and send me $1 million instead. I'm keeping the money, because it's your problem.
:rolleyes:

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Kimpatsu
In that case, I'm asking you to send me $1, but you screw up and send me $1 million instead. I'm keeping the money, because it's your problem.
:rolleyes:
1. A prelim test (which YB didn't have going) only results in $10,000
2. If I send an employee of my company to fix your computer with a predefined process and he screws up the process - would that be my problem and yours?
Thank you

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by Placebo
1. A prelim test (which YB didn't have going) only results in $10,000

A preliminary test does not result in any money. It simply determines whether or not the applicant will procede to the official test.

[rwguinn]

Originally posted by Placebo
1. A prelim test (which YB didn't have going) only results in $10,000
2. If I send an employee of my company to fix your computer with a predefined process and he screws up the process - would that be my problem and yours?
Thank you
You're missing the problem.
Protocol agreed to mutually. JREF made it plain that broad daylight (or well lit) test was absolutely non-negotiable.
Protocol was not even close to followed, and even I, a mere Engineer, had no problem figuring out that the test was absolutely not a JREF official test, prelim or otherwise. The guy wanted to test it himself, and did, failing to take the most basic precautions to ensure honesty.
end of story

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by Placebo
1. A prelim test (which YB didn't have going) only results in $10,000
2. If I send an employee of my company to fix your computer with a predefined process and he screws up the process - would that be my problem and yours?
Thank you
1. I'll even wager $1; it's the principle.
2. If you send an employe to fix my PC, and the employee decides on his own not to follow protocol and fix my PC with his "hara" instead, then the debt to me is yours legally... but you can compensate yourself by suing the errant employee.
Put another way: You work for me; I order you to perform steps A, B, and C. You take it upon yourself to change that protocol. You are then personally 100% liable for all failures resulting from your stupid decision.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by steenkh
I guess I cannot. A bit of lazy searching has brought this quote from the "Yellow Bamboo for real?"-thread:

I cannot find anything from before the "test".


Well, a bit more digging found the quotation which prompted my original statement. From Randi's July 2004 commentary: (http://www.randi.org/jr/070403.html)

Anyone who participates has to join their organization — don't ask me why — but there are no fees or human sacrifices involved.

and from Joko Tri's account of the events: (http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.martial-arts/msg/710f1695609ebc9e?)

At the full moon ceremony I was introduced to Mr
Serengen the founder, who was very nice but seemed
kind of reluctant to actually do the test...

The full moon ceremony seemed to me a lot of hokus
pocus but I did it any way. The day after I ate only
white rice I made for myself and bottled water
I bought myself and that night I did the breathing
and mantra exercises which seemed a lot more of just
hokey pokey.

So, it seems he was initiated into the group, which included some "hokey pokey" and it would be reasonable to assume it included wearing the uniform.

[Placebo]

From Gr8wight
A preliminary test does not result in any money. It simply determines whether or not the applicant will procede to the official test
Hmm, okay. I understand that a 'prelim-prelim test' is sometimes done. If the preliminary test is the first of three, what is the second test called (the one prior to the final) ?
I was under the impression that the test immediately prior to the final was the 'preliminary test'. :|

Originally posted by rwguinn
You're missing the problem. [..] and even I, a mere Engineer, had no problem figuring out that the test was absolutely not a JREF official test, prelim or otherwise. The guy wanted to test it himself, and did, failing to take the most basic precautions to ensure honesty.
end of story
If you would take the time to read my words again, you'll find this:
A prelim test (which YB didn't have going) [...]
And in the previous post:
Nevertheless, this is NOT an official JREF test, and this is not the case. Joko was testing independently

So I do not know who you are arguing with, but it's not me.
Please try to read before putting your foot in things.

I simply mentioned a hypothetical situation, and apparently someone found it interesting to explore.
This is NOT what happened in the Joko case, as I already stated a couple of times by now.

From Kimpatsu
2. If you send an employe to fix my PC, and the employee decides on his own not to follow protocol and fix my PC with his "hara" instead, then the debt to me is yours legally... but you can compensate yourself by suing the errant employee.
Put another way: You work for me; I order you to perform steps A, B, and C. You take it upon yourself to change that protocol. You are then personally 100% liable for all failures resulting from your stupid decision

So, assume for a moment that Joko was an official JREF test rep - you're saying is that JREF would be at fault (due to Joko), and Joko could be sued by JREF in turn.
Is that right? In which case, I agree. Either way YB would be happy.

Nevertheless, this did not happen.
And it's a waste of time to speculate on these sorts of hypothetical situations.

REPEAT: This was a hypothetical discussion. I understand that Joko was NOT a representative in an official test of YB.

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by Placebo
Hmm, okay. I understand that a 'prelim-prelim test' is sometimes done. If the preliminary test is the first of three, what is the second test called (the one prior to the final) ?
I was under the impression that the test immediately prior to the final was the 'preliminary test'. :|


There are only two tests. The preliminary test is an informal test done by volunteers who are local to the applicant. If the applicant passes the preliminary test, they become the claimant, and proceed to the final test, which we can only speculate about, as one has never taken place before.

You may be misreading the part about the cheque for $10,000 being presented upon a successful completion of the test. If a claimant (that is someone who has successfully completed the preliminary test) successfully completes the final test, they win $1,000,000.00. As the JREF holds that money in bonds, not in cash, it could take up to thirty days to liquidate it. The successful claimant is immediately presented with a cheque for $10,000.00, as an act of good faith, and the remaining $990,000.00 will be paid within thirty days.

[Placebo]

Ah yes, that's my mistake.
Thanks Gr8wight ;)

[pmurray]

Originally posted by baliwesternman
It is also interesting to note- there are many tapes out there showing a successful knocking down but the only one people believe is the one where YB loses. Can you spell "Cognitive Dissonance"?

You mean the ones where the attacker is a YB practitioner? LOL! No more supernatural than the way they speak in toungues, or fall down under the power in the church I used to go to. Or for that matter people clucking like chickens when "hypnotised" by a stage hypnotist. When people are involved with a group, they generally behave as they feel they are expected to behave. A YB practitioner would not dare do anything else than fall over when a more senior YB person projected the power at him.

[SpencerFW]

You guys still serious? I thought we’d dealt with you on the “Yellow Bamboo Reprise� thread. I repeat…


“There's this lady (see attached image) who can do what's known as the Lion's Roar.

With intent, she draws on the chi in her dan-tien and forces it up through meridians to well up in her lungs. She then forcefully expels the chi past her larynx and out her mouth. This causes a loud roar - hence the name Lion's Roar.

With such an ability, this lady is able to overcome all adversaries. Many people think the Lion's Roar is a myth, but I've seen this lady do it on many occassions.�


To which I’d like to add, I can fa-jing out my perineal (http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/Perineum.htm) chakra! (edited to correct typo)

[Zep]

You mean, "she's got real bad breath"?

[teck49]

My goodness,

With those lungs, I'd pay her $50 to see her do her "lion's roar". Ofcourse that'll be $1.00 at a time until I fa-jing out of my parineal chakra too.

:bs:

[SpencerFW]

Originally posted by teck49
My goodness,

With those lungs, I'd pay her $50 to see her do her "lion's roar". Ofcourse that'll be $1.00 at a time until I fa-jing out of my parineal chakra too.

:bs:

Or you can just buy the DVD Kung Fu Hustle :D ;) :D

[Kimpatsu]

Err... the link no longer seems to be working. I get an "Access Forbidden" message.
Can anyone help?

[Phrost]

You mean to the videos? I've got a few on Bullshido somewhere.

[Kimpatsu]

You mean to the videos? I've got a few on Bullshido somewhere.
I'm a member there, too. Do you have a link?

[c4ts]

Link, please!

[Amélie]

I desperately want to see the video of these yellow bamboo guys getting beaten, but all the links are down. :( Can anyone repost a working one?

[Kiless]

Will this influence any future Yellow Bamboo challenges?


6.6.
The JREF will NOT under any circumstances tolerate any behavior which they feel conflicts with the true spirit of the Challenge, which may be articulated quite simply, as follows: To see alleged paranormal claims tested fairly, in a controlled setting devoid of aggressive behavior, before a team of qualified observers whose sole purpose is to decipher fact from fiction.


?

[petre]

Will this influence any future Yellow Bamboo challenges?


6.6.
The JREF will NOT under any circumstances tolerate any behavior which they feel conflicts with the true spirit of the Challenge, which may be articulated quite simply, as follows: To see alleged paranormal claims tested fairly, in a controlled setting devoid of aggressive behavior, before a team of qualified observers whose sole purpose is to decipher fact from fiction.


?

Note that in the YB test protocol, the tester was to walk up to the testee and tap him on the leg with a stick, no agression involved. JREF would not agree to any protocol that required a participant to be "agressive" since there is no scientific way to determine if such was the case, such that a failed attempt would be conclusive.

[William Smith]

Will this influence any future Yellow Bamboo challenges?


6.6.
The JREF will NOT under any circumstances tolerate any behavior which they feel conflicts with the true spirit of the Challenge, which may be articulated quite simply, as follows: To see alleged paranormal claims tested fairly, in a controlled setting devoid of aggressive behavior, before a team of qualified observers whose sole purpose is to decipher fact from fiction.


?

In another thread http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=47295 the discussion went on about whether "aggression" of the "attacker" was necessary to demonstrate the alleged "ability".

In short, thelight went from
"The attacker must be intensely and genuinely be angry for this demonstration to work. Since this is difficult, we could substitute the man with a dobermann." http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1268499#post1268499
to
"my strategy is not to bring the "anger" factor up to the test protocol. I don't want JREF or anyone to suspect me of using "lack of anger" as an excuse of failure." http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1287056#post1287056

In this case, the "anger" seemed not necessary, ergo a test could take place if a protocol would get agreed on.

However, as petre pointed out, "anger" or "aggression" aren't yet measurable in a scientifically acceptable way.

If you like entertainment, read up on this thread. Note, how thelight's position changes. Enjoy. :)

[Jesus Baby Daddy]

If they don't want to do it in a controlled enviornment. How about this...

1. Load about 4 or 5 Yellow Bamboo in a truck.
2. Drive them to South Central L.A.
3. Make them change their traditional yellow costume to red.
4. Continue driving until you find a neighborhood where most residents are wearing blue.
5. Push the said YB out on their butts.
6. Watch what happens when they get their desired "Anger"
7. Drive really fast.
8. Repeat if desired.

That's gotta be worth a million bucks right there! :D

[hellaeon]

If they don't want to do it in a controlled enviornment. How about this...

1. Load about 4 or 5 Yellow Bamboo in a truck.
2. Drive them to South Central L.A.
3. Make them change their traditional yellow costume to red.
4. Continue driving until you find a neighborhood where most residents are wearing blue.
5. Push the said YB out on their butts.
6. Watch what happens when they get their desired "Anger"
7. Drive really fast.
8. Repeat if desired.

That's gotta be worth a million bucks right there! :D

hahahaha leaves no room for doubt

[drfrank]

If they don't want to do it in a controlled enviornment. How about this...

1. Load about 4 or 5 Yellow Bamboo in a truck.
2. Drive them to South Central L.A.
3. Make them change their traditional yellow costume to red.
4. Continue driving until you find a neighborhood where most residents are wearing blue.
5. Push the said YB out on their butts.
6. Watch what happens when they get their desired "Anger"
7. Drive really fast.
8. Repeat if desired.

That's gotta be worth a million bucks right there! :D

Do the Yellow Bamboo claim to be able to stop bullets Neo-Style as well as knock people over with their magic powers, then? ;)

Now that would be a test I'd like to participate in rofl :D "OK, five of you are already dead - are you sure you want me to continue?"

[Jesus Baby Daddy]

If the Yellow Bamboo can do the Neo-Style bullet dodge, i'm all over that! Sign me up. But the dorky yellow tshirts have to be switched with the black trench coats and sunglasses. Much more cool. :p

[hellaeon]

I like to think I approach every claim with open enthusiasm but with a good dose of skeptical analysis thrown in.

If you watch the videos, there is no doubt they cant expect some people to take it seriously. The one where the guy is trying to take the bag is like an audition for star wars or something. I seriously banged my desk a few times holding my stomache.

So did most of the people on my joke email list.

Its hard not to laugh and its hard to give these guys any credence at all.

Of course its nonsense, but is it really worth trying to tell them?
Its pretty amazing to see this is something for real. Its like a childs game. Why dont they try real martial arts. Its quite rewarding for those willing to dedicate time to it.


cheers

[William Smith]

...
Its hard not to laugh and its hard to give these guys any credence at all.
...

Sonic Boom!
(Ha Do Ken)
Sho Ryu Ken!
(Ha Do Ken)
Sonic Boom!
(Ha Do Ken)
Tatsu Maki Sen Pu Kya Ku!
(Ha Do Ken)
Sonic Boom!
(Ha Do Ken)

I Win. Perfect!

[T'ai Chi]

Video highlight of Royce in the first two Ultimate Fighting Championships:

www.bullshido.com/videos/royce.wmv

At a skinny 180 lbs, he took on some monsters and dominated, using BJJ. The theory behind it is simple: take your opponent to the ground and establish positional dominance in order to avoid/negate striking. From there you are free to submit, choke, break bones, or even just rain down punches/knees/elbows/etc on your opponent.

His destruction of many recognized martial arts masters shattered the established (mis)understanding of the effectiveness of how most martial arts had been trained in this country since they became popular after WWII.

The other principle that makes BJJ training more effective than many martial arts is the fact that like Judo, almost all of its techniques can be practiced at full speed/strength/resistance on a regular basis without an excessive risk of injury. This prepares the BJJ fighter to deal with a situation more effectively. Instead of playing foot/hand tag for points, breaking boards, or any other such rubbish, the BJJ guy "fights" almost every time he goes in to class.


Can you refer to anything besises sport/entertainment events? How about real life self defense uses of BJJ?

[Gr8wight]

Video highlight of Royce in the first two Ultimate Fighting Championships:

www.bullshido.com/videos/royce.wmv

At a skinny 180 lbs, he took on some monsters and dominated, using BJJ. The theory behind it is simple: take your opponent to the ground and establish positional dominance in order to avoid/negate striking. From there you are free to submit, choke, break bones, or even just rain down punches/knees/elbows/etc on your opponent.

His destruction of many recognized martial arts masters shattered the established (mis)understanding of the effectiveness of how most martial arts had been trained in this country since they became popular after WWII.

The other principle that makes BJJ training more effective than many martial arts is the fact that like Judo, almost all of its techniques can be practiced at full speed/strength/resistance on a regular basis without an excessive risk of injury. This prepares the BJJ fighter to deal with a situation more effectively. Instead of playing foot/hand tag for points, breaking boards, or any other such rubbish, the BJJ guy "fights" almost every time he goes in to class.

Plus, it's just a hell of a lot of fun.

Can you refer to anything besises sport/entertainment events? How about real life self defense uses of BJJ?

Sixteen months and twenty-four days. Justin, you are the king of the snappy comeback.

[xenxabar]

The yellow bamboo test is available on google video and youtube. The second attempt is a hoot.

[deBergerac]

The yellow bamboo test is available on google video and youtube. The second attempt is a hoot.
Links would have been nice.


If ever Yellow Bamboo are tested it would be nice to have Derren Brown there. :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2356052880328387155

[CFLarsen]

Links would have been nice.

Ask, and thou shalt receive:

"They're losers!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ykNZ7rAcw&search=yellow%20bamboo)

[Gr8wight]

Links would have been nice.


If ever Yellow Bamboo are tested it would be nice to have Derren Brown there. :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2356052880328387155

That video claims to show the notorious one inch punch, but I didn't see it. When the so-called 'master' put out the candle, and knocked over the student, he took significantly more than a one inch wind-up.

[Silly Green Monkey]

If they're knocking people down by tasers, could a test subject wear some kind of insulating underwear to prevent the taser from affecting them?

[Grundar]

If the target stands like that you don't need to be a martial arts expert to make the one inch punch knock him over, or at least lose his balance.

/Hans

[Ted C]

If they're knocking people down by tasers, could a test subject wear some kind of insulating underwear to prevent the taser from affecting them?

Wouldn't it be simpler to just have the Yellow Bamboo practitioner searched for weapons before the test?

Isn't the problem with the Yellow Bamboo trick that they just won't submit to any kind of well-designed test? As I recall, they always want to do it in the dark, with a crowd of stick-wielding gullibles charging at the YB practitioner.

[DrMatt]

Ask, and thou shalt receive:

"They're losers!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ykNZ7rAcw&search=yellow%20bamboo)

I like the little dog