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jay gw
7th February 2005, 01:09 PM
Global warming the key to life on Mars
Tim Radford, science editor
Monday February 7, 2005
The Guardian

US scientists have thought up a new way to create a second home - by warming up the atmosphere of Mars.

Mars - which used to be warm and wet - has an atmosphere rich in carbon dioxide. But because the red planet's atmosphere is so thin, the planet is now freezing cold.

But Margarita Marinova, of Nasa Ames research centre in California, and colleagues report in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Planets that artificially created greenhouse gases could set the Martian climate simmering. "Bringing life to Mars and studying its growth would contribute to our understanding of evolution, and the ability of life to adapts and proliferate on other worlds," Dr Marinova said.

"Since warming Mars effectively reverts it to its past, more habitable state, this would give any possibly dormant life on Mars the chance to be revived."

She and her colleagues created a computer model of the Martian atmosphere, and tested it with a series of fluorine-based gases. They found that a gas called octafluoropropane could begin a process of global warming on Mars.

This would take hundreds or even thousands of years. But since the raw materials already exist there, some future space mission could start to turn up the heat in a world frozen for at least 2bn years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1407173,00.html

Hutch
7th February 2005, 02:02 PM
Actually, it sounds more like Terraforming (or perhaps Marsforming would be more accurate). It appears they want a return to the days when Martian life flowered rather than settling a bunch of stinky humans on it.

But it will take centuries, they say...and humans don't do centuries.

AWPrime
7th February 2005, 03:42 PM
And they would need to encrease gravity for it to hold a thick enough atmosphere.

I suggest we bombard Mars with asteriods and planetoids.

CapelDodger
7th February 2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by AWPrime
And they would need to encrease gravity for it to hold a thick enough atmosphere.It would leak away on a timescale of millions of years. Average lifespan of a species is about 2 million years - and I think we're capable of cutting that drastically - so this shouldn't be a problem.
I suggest we bombard Mars with asteriods and planetoids. Is this some personal beef with the Martians, or are you just a particularly ambitious pool-player?

voodoochile
7th February 2005, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by AWPrime
And they would need to encrease gravity for it to hold a thick enough atmosphere.

I suggest we bombard Mars with asteriods and planetoids.

That will add to the heat effect.

Great series of SciFi books by Kim Stanley Robinson on the settling and terraforming of Mars starts with Red Mars. Very well written working with current trends and extrapolating to solid possibilities.

Donks
7th February 2005, 06:25 PM
Isn't the lack of a magnetic field also a problem? I hear the solar wind can be a real nuisance this time of year.

webfusion
7th February 2005, 06:36 PM
FYI

http://home.comcast.net/~advent99/space.html


Considering the President just submitted a budget, does anyone have access to the four-volume print-out in order to locate details on exactly how much is going to be spent this year on pursuing the colonization of MARS?

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octafluoropropane

Sweet!

The Fool
7th February 2005, 09:50 PM
I would think the money would be better spent making barren hostile parts of earth habitable...like melbourne.

AWPrime
8th February 2005, 04:25 AM
Originally posted by CapelDodger
It would leak away on a timescale of millions of years. Average lifespan of a species is about 2 million years [/B]

I prefer a permanent solution.

You could always throw some comets too. It would encrease the amount of water.;)

CapelDodger
8th February 2005, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by AWPrime
You could always throw some comets too. It would encrease the amount of water.;) Sounds great to me, but I'm not sure the proles will take to it. Mars is big, yeah, but Space is like, you know, really, really big? and you could, like, miss? and all this junk is coming in from way out so the next point of interest is Earth-orbit. At this point the stuff's moving faster than crap from a trapped rat's ass, and Murphy's 3rd Law being what it is ... :)

AWPrime
8th February 2005, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by CapelDodger
Sounds great to me, but I'm not sure the proles will take to it. Mars is big, yeah, but Space is like, you know, really, really big? and you could, like, miss? and all this junk is coming in from way out so the next point of interest is Earth-orbit. At this point the stuff's moving faster than crap from a trapped rat's ass, and Murphy's 3rd Law being what it is ... :)

That makes it interresting.:D

HarryKeogh
8th February 2005, 09:23 PM
We should explore the idea of colonizing Mars very seriously. Just think, for trillions of dollars we could reduce the population of Earth by scores of people!

I mean, how expensive and inefficient could it possibly be?