Paul Carey 1 million challange

[naughtyrasputin]

Randi has broken his own rules.

1. refusing a mutually agreed venue.

2. refusing third party arbitration on stated abilities.

3. allowing "kramer" to verbally assault an applicant. i.e. f...k you
and having randi himself repeat the insult.

I would like to thank all of you who supported me. Its not all over until the fat lady sings.

If you would like to see the e-mails contact me at paulgcarey@eircom.net


Paul Carey.

[jmercer]

Uh-huh. I just re-read your application thread posted in the Challenges sub-section. There is no way in this lifetime that I'd give you my private email. :D

[KRAMER]

1- A COMPLETE LIE.
2- A COMPLETE LIE.
3- ABSOLUTELY TRUE, and I'd say it again, and so would Randi.

You're the worst of the worst, and you know what you can do with your complaints.

I hold nothing but contempt for the appallingly vapid Paul Carey The Complete Imbecile and what he put JREF and Irish Skeptics through. He is the saddest excuse for a human being I have ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with here during my time here at the JREF.

In case any of you thought otherwise, I am ABSOLUTELY not getting involved in this one. This guy is a complete idiot loser who harrassed us for months and led us in circles, along with Irish Skeptics. I'll be lucky if they ever work with us on another claim after what Paul Carey did to them. They worked for weeks on setting up a test date and location, and then...well, just go read the thread if you haven't already.

This is Randi-bashing at its' very worst, and it was that way right from the start. I've never dealth with such a complete and total moron.

He's the most belligerent, disengenuous, morally corrupt applicant I've encountered so far, and I won't get involved in ANY debate on how he was treated. No one could possibly deserve it more. I'll quit before I deal with him again on any level.

He doesn't even exist. He's NOTHING. (edited by Linda at Kramer's request.)

And you'll NEVER hear me apologize for ANYTHING I just said.

Debate this all you like. I'm NEVER opening this thread again.

And here's my final word on the matter: MORON !!!!!

Man, I could just...

[kittynh]

JUST DO IT

really, just do it.

Not for Randi, he's not keeping you from making a million or more.

Do it do it do it do it.

Don't blame other people if you can't, but do it. I'm sure there are lovely TV stations, newspapers, anyone that would love for you to

JUST DO IT

even to their satisfaction.

You'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Go for it!

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by KRAMER
I hope he gets bone cancer.


Gees Kramer...

[tim]

OK, maybe not bone cancer, but I can understand Kramer's frustration with this person.
I echo Kitty's sentiments.
If he can do it, then DO IT. Don't muck about - JUST DO IT!
You had your chance and you blew it. Now go be a nuisance somewhere else!

[tim]

I'll make a prediction here. Before long Paul Carey will start banging on how Randi didn't dare let him take the challenge for fear of losing.
Do I get the million dollars now, Kramer, or do I have to wait?
:D :D :D

[edthedoc]

I've followed the various recent threads with interest but without posting (I haven't had anything useful to say).

However, Kramer, as much as I respect the work you do, you are stepping well over the line with your hostile responses and wishing someone gets "bone cancer" is just plain wrong and can only damage JREFs reputation.

Please, please do something about your style of posting. It does you and JREF no favours.

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by edthedoc
...
However, Kramer, as much as I respect the work you do, you are stepping well over the line with your hostile responses and wishing someone gets "bone cancer" is just plain wrong and can only damage JREFs reputation.

Please, please do something about your style of posting. It does you and JREF no favours.

I heartily second that.

[NiallM]

Kramer,

I fully appreciate that your patience is tested to the hilt by idiots such as Carey. It's obvious that he's not an isolated case.

Dealing with people like him, however, appears to me to be part of your job.

The Million Dollar Challenge acts as a magnet to all the woo-woos out there.

As a long-term lurker here, I've often thought that the tone of some of your exchanges borders on hostility.

Now the cancer thing. That really is going way too far. Not from Carey's perspective - but from the perspective of cancer sufferers everywhere. Characterising this awful malady as some form of punishment throws sufferers into the same boat as Carey - i.e., it rather implies that they for some reason have deserved to develop cancer.

It's a vile thing to wish for, and it's unbecoming of an organisation that professes to stand for rational thought.

[Beleth]

PM sent instead.

[jmercer]

For interested parties, here's the pointer to his application thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48400

[Ashles]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Randi has broken his own rules.

1. refusing a mutually agreed venue.

2. refusing third party arbitration on stated abilities.

3. allowing "kramer" to verbally assault an applicant. i.e. f...k you
and having randi himself repeat the insult.

I would like to thank all of you who supported me. Its not all over until the fat lady sings.

If you would like to see the e-mails contact me at paulgcarey@eircom.net


Paul Carey.
Grow up you pathetic little man.

If this is how you get your thrills and satisfy your attention-seeking desires then you rate below pitiful.


But I must echo the other posters about the excessivenes of Kramer's 'bone cancer' thing.

Paul Carey is too pointless to cause that level of anger. It is an unbelievably awful thing to wish on just about anyone.
Certainly not someone who has merely lied rather transparently and childishly about their JREF claim (c'mon Kramer, he's hardly the first).

We'd probably be banned for such behaviour so I do think it should be removed by an admin, especially as it will just end up cropping up on other forums out of context as an example of "How the JREF respond to challenges" or something similar.

[Moose]

While I agree that the occasional flash of temper in dealing with a large number of very frustrating people is understandable, Kramer, your temper seems to be getting the better of you more often than not.

This last one has crossed well beyond the unprofessional. Anywhere else, a communication worded like that would be grounds for immediate termination.

This is meant entirely in good faith, Kramer, but you might consider seeking a less stressful position.

[KRAMER]

Originally posted by NiallM
It's a vile thing to wish for, and it's unbecoming of an organisation that professes to stand for rational thought.

You're quite right.

I wasn't thinking or behaving rationally when I said it. I totally lost it. I had a complete emotional breakdown.

There is little that is more personal in nature than what I am about to say, but I feel compelled to offer the forum some personal data that, while in no way intended as an excuse for my atrocious comment, might offer some small insight into why I went insane for a few minutes after reading Carey's post, which normally would have been responded to with a simple re-stating of the facts surrounding our experiences with him. This is certainly not an easy thing for me to do, and it's certainly nobody's business but my own and my family's, but regardless, here we go...

My mother is dying. I've been by her bedside each night since her condition began to deteriorate seriously about two weeks ago, and each night, her pulse goes down one point.

70. 69.68.67.66.65.etc...I'm in the midst of a nightmare from which I find myself unable to awake. I shouldn't even be working, but, like most of you (I assume), I must.

I need to be treated with kid's gloves right now. Carey blindsided me with a sucker punch. I went crazy. Absolutely, unequivocally, stark raving mad. Had he been standing before me at the time, I might have for the first time in my life raised my fist high and hit him as hard as I could. But, he wasn't in front of me, so I hit him with words. This is not my true nature.

Again - I am NOT defending myself. What I said was indefensible.
It redefines the word "unprofessional". I hang my head in abject shame before you all, and will not beg forgiveness, as none is deserved.

I said what I said to Carey about 5 minutes after the nursing home called to say that I should really come "as soon as possible". I think that, at that time, I was probably what anyone here might agree was "unstable", at best. I should never have continued working after receiving that call. I just wasn't ready for that post (my wife an friends didn't even think I should be driving), and I honestly didn't even recall posting it until I read the comments this morning. I was rather shaken when I saw it.

OK. That's enough.

I asked Linda to delete the entire post, but the forum policy is to remove the objectionable line or words only.

My sincerest apologies to all, including Carey.

I have decided to restrict my postings to the Challenge Applications section from this point on.

I will post applications (along with correspondences thereof), but I will offer no commentary. I think that's the best thing to do.

I think that's the only thing to do.

My duties are now solely clerical, as perhaps they should have been all along.

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
"BONE CANCER"

I could not dignify that with a response.
I am sure there is a logical way around this. If we put our heads together we can work it out.

I would like to thank you all again for your interest , it means a lot to me.

(I think K needs a holiday, he can stay with me for a week).
Paul Carey.

[Moose]

Kramer, what a horrible thing for your family to be experiencing! You and yours have my sincerest sympathy. Geez, no wonder you've been on edge.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
"BONE CANCER"

I could not dignify that with a response.
I am sure there is a logical way around this. If we put our heads together we can work it out.

I would like to thank you all again for your interest , it means a lot to me.

(I think K needs a holiday, he can stay with me for a week).
Paul Carey.

While I can't - and won't - endorse Kramer's regrettable remark, I have to say that your response here tells me all I need to know about you. I find that I can't disagree with Kramer's assessment of your character.

In fact, it appears to be quite accurate.

[tim]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
"BONE CANCER"

I could not dignify that with a response.
I am sure there is a logical way around this. If we put our heads together we can work it out.

I would like to thank you all again for your interest , it means a lot to me.

(I think K needs a holiday, he can stay with me for a week).
Paul Carey.

Mr Carey, the best thing you can do to help right now is to go away. Kramer has explained and prostrated himself in abject apology. That's enough, I think. Let us please leave him alone for the moment. Thank you.

[alfaniner]

Kramer, having been through that myself, I can only agree that it is a horrible time to have to suffer fools.

I hope you can take a break from this nonsense and put your energies where they are needed right now.

[NiallM]

Kramer,

You have my best wishes at this time. Look after yourself and your own; they're bigger priorities than idiots like Carey.

[Beleth]

Dude, go on medical leave of absence. Forget this job crap for a while and be with your mother. The world and the JREF will still be here when you get back, although with any luck Paul will not.

MLOAs aren't just for when you're sick.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
"BONE CANCER"

I could not dignify that with a response.
I am sure there is a logical way around this. If we put our heads together we can work it out.

I would like to thank you all again for your interest , it means a lot to me.

(I think K needs a holiday, he can stay with me for a week).
Paul Carey.

Jmercer is right. What Kramer said was wrong, but he, at least, has both apologized and explained the circumstances of his comments.

I hope you've had fun.

[tim]

OK, folks, let's close this thread down. No more posts please.

[webfusion]

please, just one last post, it is absolutely appropriate >>>>

We really love you, KRAMER, you know that, and when I saw this was in the paper today, it seemed perfect to end this thread:

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/nq/2005/nq050212.gif

©2005 Wiley Miller, 'non-sequitur' (Universal Press Syndicate) (http://www.amuniversal.com/ups/features/non_sequitur/)

[tim]

:D :D :D

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
I have put forward a logical and reasonable enquiry as to my challange. As a response I recieved a torrent of personal information that I had no wish to hear.

Since the JREF is no longer answering my emails this is the only way for me to let you know what is going on.If personal information is rejected in the application as irrelavent , then kramers tirade serves only to further confuse the issue.

A person who is thinking clearly would neither wish a fatal disease on someone nor use intimate personal information to try and justify it.

And just in case anyone noticed , ....the questions as to my challange are still unresolved.

Paul Carey.

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
I have put forward a logical and reasonable enquiry as to my challange. As a response I recieved a torrent of personal information that I had no wish to hear.

Since the JREF is no longer answering my emails this is the only way for me to let you know what is going on.If personal information is rejected in the application as irrelavent , then kramers tirade serves only to further confuse the issue.

A person who is thinking clearly would neither wish a fatal disease on someone nor use intimate personal information to try and justify it.

And just in case anyone noticed , ....the questions as to my challange are still unresolved.

Paul Carey.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
And just in case anyone noticed , ....the questions as to my challange are still unresolved.

Paul Carey.

You had no questions, only statements.

Kramer's first comments, depsite their harsh nature, show you for the blight that you are. That you wasted so many people's time and trust, and followed up that wastage with legal threats makes you perhaps the most contemptable kook around.

I advise you to quit while you are way, way behind.

Do not attempt to act high and mighty, it won't work. You are contemptable. Leave.

[Zep]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
I have put forward a logical and reasonable enquiry as to my challange. As a response I recieved a torrent of personal information that I had no wish to hear.

Since the JREF is no longer answering my emails this is the only way for me to let you know what is going on.If personal information is rejected in the application as irrelavent , then kramers tirade serves only to further confuse the issue.

A person who is thinking clearly would neither wish a fatal disease on someone nor use intimate personal information to try and justify it.

And just in case anyone noticed , ....the questions as to my challange are still unresolved.

Paul Carey. See your shrink. Now. Your medication is long overdue.

http://www.evsc.k12.in.us/curriculum/socstud/images/ch1/turkey.jpg

[NiallM]

Right, Mister Carey.

Time to call you out.

I want Kramer and others in JREF to know this:

You live in Cork, as in Cork in Ireland.

So do I.

I can afford to give you some details right now. I live in Douglas. I work in the Airport Business Park. I drive a Renaut Megane. My favourite bar in town is The Mutton.

I am prepared to arrange a test - but at this stage it would most certainly be something that is only very preliminary to a full test according with the JREF terms and conditions.

I can do it on either of two conditions: we can do it with full press presence if you want; I have very good contacts in RTÉ who could do it that way, otherwise a private test with a couple of witnesses might suit you. As with the Irish Scepics view, you would have to provide a "receiver"; I simply won't have you blaming me if your efforts don't work out.

How about it? I'm in Cork and so are you. If I see something worthwhile I'll throw all of my energies behind you.

[Ashles]

Remember Nial - 'weekends are out' according to Mr Carey.

A million dollars obviously isn't enough incentive for Paul Crey to cancel his clog dancing or whatever he does at weekends.



Question to Paul Carey - why do you refuse to bring along your own 'receiver'?
This is the only sensible scientific way to proceed to prevent later accusations that the people testing you weren't fair.

Oh, have I answered my own question?

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
The reason for a third pary reciever should be obvious, e.g. if I take a lie detector test, bringing my own detector put together in my own workshop would obviously nullify any scientific crieteria. It has to be a neutral third party so that neither side can claim foul play.

As to Niallm's proposel , if he can fullfill the third party requirments , along with getting jrefs agreement to view it as a valid test, then I have no objection.

Paul Carey.

[kookbreaker]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
The reason for a third pary reciever should be obvious,


Actually, no.


e.g. if I take a lie detector test, bringing my own detector put together in my own workshop would obviously nullify any scientific crieteria. It has to be a neutral third party so that neither side can claim foul play.


This includes you claiming foul play by saying that the detector was deliberately not recieving messages.

The nature of the test blinding prevents any cheating between you and the detector. Ergo you metaphor is invalid. By bringing the detector you ensure that the only failure excuse you can use is invalidated.

This was explained to you already by the Irish Skeptics.


As to Niallm's proposel , if he can fullfill the third party requirments , along with getting jrefs agreement to view it as a valid test, then I have no object Paul Carey. [/B]

Too late Paul, you screwed up a lot of goodwill. Its not up to you to object. Game over. Find another skeptical challenge and maybe they will deal with you. But I think the JREF is done dealing with you.

I don't blame them for one instant.

[Gulliver]

Mr. Carey,

First, let me comment that your ability seems amazing fantastic. I assume based on your claim that you've impressed many people by now by transmitting complete sentences directly into their minds.

Second, I must take issue with your comment that the need for JREF to provide the observer is obvious. I'm a professional scientist. I don't find the need obvious at all.

To clarify, JREF and associates had graciously agreed to consider you to have passed using anyone as the receiver. This is clearly to your benefit. You should have chosen someone that you've sent messages successfully and repeatedly already. As a scientist, I would encourage you not to change receivers. Indeed your claim is wonderfully paranormal even if there is just one other person on the planet that can successfully receive your messages.

For your benefit, you want to keep as many "variables" constant as possible in order to guarantee that you can reproduce the desired results. Perhaps you can only send to right-handed people. If JREF happened to provide a left-handed receiver, you'd fail needlessly.

Finally, I humbly beg to regroup graciously. Please practice with a given receiver or two. Document your results. Once a year has passed and you remain able to reproduce your results on your own, please reapply. Until then, I really won't have much else to say.

Regards,
Gulliver

[NiallM]

Paul Carey,

It's very very simple and so simple that a child would understand.

If I provide a "receiver" and your alleged transmissions don't work, then you might well blame my choice of "receiver".

If you bring your choice of "receiver" along, then there is no possibility that I have interfered with your claimed abilities.

I simply will not accept the responsiility for providing a "receiver"; it gives you a simple out if the experiment fails.

I have discussed this with my 9 year-old godson. He understood the reason for this requirement.

So the offers stands. But the terms regarding your provision of a "receiver" are non-negotiable.

Surely one of your friends is amazed enough and confident enough of your abilities that one of them will be prepared to sit in a room and receive your thoughts?

We are both located in a small town. It would take a ridiculously small time to meet up and arrange a very preliminary test of your claims.

You really have no excuse anymore.

Should you choose to ignore this offer to accommodate you, you will stand judged by your failure to respond to all efforts to remove any impediments to proving your claim.

[NiallM]

Mr Carey,

I should also say that I am not endowed with infinite patience.

I will require a reply within 14 days before I will arrange a test.

It will not be within the auspices of the JREF Million Dollar Challenge, but if you are successful in my test, I will promise that the Irish media - including TV - will be relentless in backing your claim and in pursuing the JREF for proper test leading to a full claim for the money.

It's up to you to do just two simple things:

1: Recognise the simple requirement that you provide the receiver,

2: See number one.

[Beleth]

Mutually
Agreed
Upon.

The testers will simply not agree to providing you with a receiver, and their reason is valid. Even if their reason wasn't valid, it is apparent to every observer of this exchange that that requirement is not going to be altered.

Your arguments are unconvincing, no matter how many times you rephrase them.

Either provide your own receiver, or resign yourself to the fact that you and the testers could not come to an agreement.

Edited to add: ... which isn't anyone's fault. Sometimes it just happens.

[Marek]

However, Kramer, as much as I respect the work you do, you are stepping well over the line with your hostile responses and wishing someone gets "bone cancer" is just plain wrong and can only damage JREFs reputation.

Please, please do something about your style of posting. It does you and JREF no favours.
Yes, JREF replying in such a manner does nothing but hurt its own reputation. A foundation or any other organization should never ever reply with such remarks. If I had never heard about JREF or read Randi's books before reading Kramers posts I would write JREF off as a silly illogical venture.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by Marek
Yes, JREF replying in such a manner does nothing but hurt its own reputation. A foundation or any other organization should never ever reply with such remarks. If I had never heard about JREF or read Randi's books before reading Kramers posts I would write JREF off as a silly illogical venture.
Marek, this has been thoroughly dealt with already in this thread, and a full apology has been made. There's no need to rehash it all now.

Please see the thread title. It's not about Kramer, it's about Carey.

[Marek]

Originally posted by NiallM
Marek, this has been thoroughly dealt with already in this thread, and a full apology has been made. There's no need to rehash it all now.

Please see the thread title. It's not about Kramer, it's about Carey.
Fair enough, for some reason the thread didn't load entirely for me, cutting out Kramers apology and explanation.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by Marek
Fair enough, for some reason the thread didn't load entirely for me, cutting out Kramers apology and explanation.
No worries. I'm trying to keep Mr Carey on message here; he's been wriggling out of being tested and blaming everyone else but himself.

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by NiallM
No worries. I'm trying to keep Mr Carey on message here; he's been wriggling out of being tested and blaming everyone else but himself.

What else can he do? He clearly has no such paranormal ability. He clearly is doing this as a joke or to frustrate JREF. I also wouldn't be a bit surprised if the real identity of Mr Carey was a name we've heard before.

[Ashles]

And as Mr Carey knows full well this isn't a scientific experiemnt as such, it is a challenge.

If both parties agree upon a protocol, if the claimant passes he wins the money. Full stop. Even if he later announces to the world that he cheated.
This has been confirmed by KRAMER.

So there is absolutely no reason to complain about providing his own receiver. The only party that might have doubts about this is the JREF, and they have alreay waived those concerns.
The experiemental protocol should invalidate and cheating of that sort.

There is absolutely NO reason whatsoever why Paul Carey should not provide his own receiver.

Except that he is desperate to not be tested as he has no paranormal ability.

What about it Paul? Put aside your reservations and accept Nial's challenge which is utterly fair.

Accept the challenge or be known as a weaselly liar. Your choice.

Also, see if you can find any scientist who does not think that, under these circumstances, this protocol is completely fair to you.

If you pass the test and the JREF, or Nial (and his colleagues) claim it was because you brought your own receiver, I (and possibly many others here) promise to support you fully in writing.

But something tells me we'll never reach that point.

Stop lying and accept the challenge.

[JPK]

Good afternoon everyone.

After reading Mr. Carey's posts, it would not suprise me to learn that he could not find anyone that is willing to associate with him at all. Mr. Carey might be a very isolated person.

JPK

[webfusion]

http://www.impossibleescapes.com/images/graphics/straitjacket1.jpg

Maybe that's why he can't bring along his own receiver, all his best buddies are locked-up and can't get passes out for the weekend!

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
Niallm obviously cannot get jrefs agreement on any of the points I raised.

Half a page of gibberish makes no impression.


If he is already aware of the validity of my claims and yet persists in deliberate obsfucation , well, say no more.

Appreciate your continued interested.

As to the media , "the smallest gap must be breached at last".

Paul Carey.

[webfusion]

"Half a page of gibberish makes no impression."

No kidding! Who is spouting the gibberish?

Paul, pop into the Mutton, tip the bartender $20 to be the receiver (he's a 'third party') and go off into the back room with Niallm, and bob's-your-uncle, preliminary test passed/failed.

Thanks for stopping by.

[drkitten]

Originally posted by webfusion

Paul, pop into the Mutton, tip the bartender $20 to be the receiver (he's a 'third party') and go off into the back room with Niallm, and bob's-your-uncle, preliminary test passed/failed.



[smart-alec]
What would an Irish bartender do with 20 US dollars?[/smart-alec]

[NiallM]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Niallm obviously cannot get jrefs agreement on any of the points I raised.

Half a page of gibberish makes no impression.


If he is already aware of the validity of my claims and yet persists in deliberate obsfucation , well, say no more.

Appreciate your continued interested.

As to the media , "the smallest gap must be breached at last".

Paul Carey.
I never sought JREF's agreement on any of this. I sought yours.

Show me the "half a page of gibberish", please. There's absolutely no need to offend me in such a gratuitous manner.

In the meantime, I will repeat my offer:

* I will arrange a test in your home town.
* I will arrange media presence - up to and including national television - if you so desire.
* If you don't want press presence, I will ensure that there is none.
*You are offered an opportunity to prove your claims, and if JREF refuses to take it further (in the event of a positive test), I will promise to ensure maximum press coverage.

Where is the jibberish? You have been offered a chance to display your abilities - a chance to be tested in your own city.

The clock is ticking on this.

When it has finally ticked over you will be revealed as a fraud.

It's up to you to make sure that doesn't happen.

[webfusion]

NiallM, hey, can you do us a favor, is that guy listed in the local phone book? Maybe try to track him down, if your town is so small, maybe even go to the effort of printing up 50 flyers on your home computer and tacking them up on real bulletin boards and all around town (kinda like the Old West "Wanted" posters you see in the movies!).

That should flush this guy out of hiding!
(unless he really is in the mental asylum)


Hey, new drkitten, don't the Irish like US greenbacks? From this JREF forum (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50326), I understand their own money is pretty freakin' useless. No wonder this guy Carey is drooling over the $1-million.

[malbui]

Originally posted by webfusion
Hey, new drkitten, don't the Irish like US greenbacks? From this JREF forum (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50326), I understand their own money is pretty freakin' useless. No wonder this guy Carey is drooling over the $1-million.
The Republic of Ireland uses the Euro as its currency and that seems to be holding up pretty well in the money markets. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, which chose not to adopt the Euro and so retained the pound.

[webfusion]

Thanks for the explanation, it shows that the only thing I know about Ireland is they have a wonderful holiday each year in March.

Happy St. Patrick's day!
http://artist4hire.net/wallp/walldo/leprechaun.jpg

[Ashles]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Niallm obviously cannot get jrefs agreement on any of the points I raised.

Half a page of gibberish makes no impression.


If he is already aware of the validity of my claims and yet persists in deliberate obsfucation , well, say no more.

Appreciate your continued interested.

As to the media , "the smallest gap must be breached at last".

Paul Carey.
Paul you are clearly a liar. The only obfuscation that is observed is your own.

Is this the most attntion you have ever had in your life? Are you lonely and sad?

Bet you never expected to get so far with your application. It must have scared you half to death when the JREF agreed to test you.

You had a good attempt at geting out of it with the "weekends are a no-go" nonsense.

But really you have been totally exposed now as a rather pitiful fraud.

Bye-bye loser.

[naughtyrasputin]

hello all,
still waiting for a reply to my last thread concerning niallm. silence speaks volumes.
Paul Carey.

[feyd rautha]

so he did not accept to take the test at a weekend? and he does not want to bring his own receiver?

i understand this, he could setup some form of communication with a receiver of his choice.

anyway i see no reason to insult carey nor do i see a reason not to test him(this is the first time i have doubts about randy) other than they do not want to or can not give away the million!

and to krammer:
everybody dies, if you need a break because your mother is dying, do so but don´t make a fool of yourself twice.

i highly recommend to test this carey-guy, or at least proceed until he backs out, otherwise you lose my trust and respect!!!

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all ,
Niallm seems to be slow to reveal his idendity ,
could he be just another attention seeker riding my shirt-tails .

You have my email , so contact me directly along with jrefs approval for a test .

And just in case you are slow on the uptake.

THIRD PARTY RECIEVER

[jmercer]

Originally posted by feyd rautha
so he did not accept to take the test at a weekend? and he does not want to bring his own receiver?

i understand this, he could setup some form of communication with a receiver of his choice.

anyway i see no reason to insult carey nor do i see a reason not to test him(this is the first time i have doubts about randy) other than they do not want to or can not give away the million!

and to krammer:
everybody dies, if you need a break because your mother is dying, do so but don´t make a fool of yourself twice.

i highly recommend to test this carey-guy, or at least proceed until he backs out, otherwise you lose my trust and respect!!!

I suggest you read the JREF rules for the Challenge and the Paul Carey application before posting your opinion on what he's doing here in this forum.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
Niallm seems to be slow to reveal his idendity ,
could he be just another attention seeker riding my shirt-tails .

You have my email , so contact me directly along with jrefs approval for a test .

And just in case you are slow on the uptake.

THIRD PARTY RECIEVER

Carey, if you want to take the JREF test, you need to contact JREF and not forum members.

Everything that was predicted about you in this thread has come true. All you're doing here is trolling and exposing yourself for the fraud you are. That's fine by me - but you're also committing the single sin I cannot forgive... you are boring me to tears.

[Ashles]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
Niallm seems to be slow to reveal his idendity ,
could he be just another attention seeker riding my shirt-tails .

You have my email , so contact me directly along with jrefs approval for a test .

And just in case you are slow on the uptake.

THIRD PARTY RECIEVER
No Paul you are slow on the uptake.

You. Provide. The. Receiver.

Why is this hard for you to understand?

Oh I forgot. You don't really want to be tested.


And feyd rautha.

Carey already backed out. Read the application history.

And if you don't understand why him bringing along his own receiver is an important way to prevent his later accusations of cheating then you don't know enough about experimental procedure to really be talking about it.

The only party who could lose out by this is the JREF and they have waived that right. They have accepted if someone beats them by cheating they still pay out the money. If Carey were genuine he would accept this protocol happily.
The experiment should be tightly enough designed that this is not relevant.

And feyd - stop being personal with Kramer right now or I'll report you. We have already discussed what he said, he's commented on it and apologised, that's an end to it.

As it stands your 'trust and respect' is not something I would imagine anyone here could give the tiniest toss about.

Anyone with half a brain can see exactly what Paul Carey is doing.

[webfusion]

"You have my email , so contact me directly along with jrefs approval for a test."

Ha! No chance of that happening. As jmercer said in the first reply to the OP ---- "There is no way in this lifetime that I'd give you my private email" and what makes you think that niallm has any intention of doing so? If you desire a test, independent of JREF, and with the bartender at the Mutton as your man, then you can arrange that anytime of your choosing, just go ever there (and you know where the pub is, obviously). NiallM gave his phone # to the owner of the pub, so if you show up he can be contacted easily to pop 'round and get things rolling.

Nobody wants to receive any eMails from you. Have you gotten even one eMail from anyone since you opened this thread asking for a reply? Hmmmmm?

JREF has already refused to participate further in your testing, Mr Carey. It was their final answer to you. That leaves pursuing legal action (as you threatened several times already) as the only recourse left in your bag of tricks. However, if you were to pass a preliminary with NiallM and his friends supervising, and the THIRD PARTY (the bartender) as your receiver, that would probably get you back in the game!

Otherwise, you are now just another annoying and boring troll on a web forum, and we are treating you as such. Have you noticed?


The Mutton. It's your last hope. If you don't take the initiative, be prepared to have posters like this appear all over Cork, with your name on them and the public where you live will be advised that you are hiding and avoiding the Challenge. That could be embarrassing!
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/li/images/cca_reward_poster_shadow.gif
$1-Million Dollars
REWARD
CHALLENGE
" Paul Carey "
SELF-PROCLAIMED PSYCHIC
We are trying to locate this individual,
to verify his claims of paranormal abilities.

If you know the wherabouts of "Paul Carey"
This REWARD of $1-Million Dollars
is being offered to him,
when he can prove his claims: as such:
"My abilities include the transference of thought, and the alteration of physical states in others, i.e.; the direct transference of sensation."

He has declined to appear previously as scheduled for testing. The undersigned is trying to contact "Paul Carey" in person to arrange a test procedure immediately.

Be advised, eMail contact is not an option.
Now direct communication face-to-face is needed, as the only way to pursue this Challenge.

xxxxxxxx
Call The Mutton
555-1212

[Humanists Harbor]

Mr. Carey,

For those of us who are indeed a bit slow, perhaps you could explain why you do not feel that it is appropriate for you to provide the receiver. Please use small words so that we are all able to understand. Thank you so much in advance.


Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
Niallm seems to be slow to reveal his idendity ,
could he be just another attention seeker riding my shirt-tails .

You have my email , so contact me directly along with jrefs approval for a test .

And just in case you are slow on the uptake.

THIRD PARTY RECIEVER

[Placebo]

Yes, Paul, your vast, highly developed intellect has left us unable to understand your simple logic.

In my opinion, you are as evasive regarding your claim as rasputin was regarding his life/death. Aptly chosen username IMO ;)

[NiallM]

Mr Carey,

Time is almost up, and in the two weeks since I made my offer you have persistently refused to grasp the most basic elements of it.

I will repeat them here:

I am willing to meet you to arrange a test of your abilities.
This is not a JREF preliminary test, but if you can display the abilities that you claim, I will throw all of my efforts behind you to get the JREF Million dollars.
You MUST provide the "receiver".

The last point is immutable.

The logic behind it is very very simple, but I'll repeat it one last time:

If I proved a receiver and he/she fails to receive your messages, it will expose me to a claim from you that the receiver that I selected *did* actually receive message, but that I had arranged that they pretend not to. In other words, the test could be considered meaningless.

If you, however, provide the receiver, then there is no way that you can blame the choice of receiver for the failure of the test.

You have one more day to accept these terms, after which you will clearly have avoided every last effort to make the test as easy as possible for you.

Tick, tick, tick....

[webfusion]

NiallM, Hi. Tell us, have you left your phone # with the bartender or owner of the Mutton pub? Maybe give Paul a few more days, say until St Patrick's Day? Did you go around town putting up those REWARD posters to flush our elusive 'naughtyrasputin' out of hiding? It's really a brilliant idea, just like the Lost Dog posters we see put up in our neighborhood. Once you get them up maybe give a call to the local tv news desk and mention to them there's a few hundred posters around offering an "unclaimed million $$$$" for a guy who calls himself Paul Carey.

Always remember who you are dealing with, most likely nothing short of actually knocking on this guy's door and having a satchel filled with the million dollars in your hands is going to get him to make any move. He said that early on! Also, you are a protagonist, a skeptic, whom he cannot prove anything to. That's why the neutrality of the bartender at the Mutton is brilliant. He is neutral by profession!

Paul said:
As to those chosen to carry out the test, skepticism precludes objectivism.
And as such requires some third party other than your group to agree the terms in a disinterested way.
I remain very eager to proceed and hope you are ready to pay up. - Carey

1. He is not eager.

2. He is not able to respond logically.

3. He is not someone you really want to meet.

Nice try, though.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by webfusion
NiallM, Hi. Tell us, have you left your phone # with the bartender or owner of the Mutton pub? Maybe give Paul a few more days, say until St Patrick's Day? Did you go around town putting up those REWARD posters to flush our elusive 'naughtyrasputin' out of hiding? It's really a brilliant idea, just like the Lost Dog posters we see put up in our neighborhood. Once you get them up maybe give a call to the local tv news desk and mention to them there's a few hundred posters around offering an "unclaimed million $$$$" for a guy who calls himself Paul Carey.

Always remember who you are dealing with, most likely nothing short of actually knocking on this guy's door and having a satchel filled with the million dollars in your hands is going to get him to make any move. He said that early on! Also, you are a protagonist, a skeptic, whom he cannot prove anything to. That's why the neutrality of the bartender at the Mutton is brilliant. He is neutral by profession!

Paul said:
As to those chosen to carry out the test, skepticism precludes objectivism.
And as such requires some third party other than your group to agree the terms in a disinterested way.
I remain very eager to proceed and hope you are ready to pay up. - Carey

1. He is not eager.

2. He is not able to respond logically.

3. He is not someone you really want to meet.

Nice try, though.
I won't go looking for him.

I am, however, ready to provide our local newspaper with an article about a local who appears reluctant to increase his assets by a cool million!

[NoZed Avenger]

As the receiver seems to be a big sticking point, and to the extent that either or both would want any further communication, how about this:

Could the parties agree to a selection process for the receiver? I.e., a way to find someone at random -- assuming that the person selected is amenable to spending some time on the project?

A third party could be given instructions on where to go (say a public venue) and bring back the first person that agrees to come -- the parties could, for example, roll a dice to select the color of the shirt that would be looked for. No communication with the receiver would be made by either side outside the presence of the other, so that neither side would have to worry about any signals or agreements.

Overly convoluted, time consuming, and to no purpose, but it might be tweaked into a compromise.

N/A

[NiallM]

Originally posted by NoZed Avenger
As the receiver seems to be a big sticking point, and to the extent that either or both would want any further communication, how about this:

Could the parties agree to a selection process for the receiver? I.e., a way to find someone at random -- assuming that the person selected is amenable to spending some time on the project?

A third party could be given instructions on where to go (say a public venue) and bring back the first person that agrees to come -- the parties could, for example, roll a dice to select the color of the shirt that would be looked for. No communication with the receiver would be made by either side outside the presence of the other, so that neither side would have to worry about any signals or agreements.

Overly convoluted, time consuming, and to no purpose, but it might be tweaked into a compromise.

N/A
I'd given soeme consideration to a joint selection or some form of random selection. It still leaves me exposed to a claim that I had somehow "nobble" the person chosen.

The only way to enure absolutely that a test wouldn't be compromised by the selection of a receiver would be for Carey to provide his own. That way, I would be in no possible risk of being accused of interfering with the test.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by NoZed Avenger
As the receiver seems to be a big sticking point, and to the extent that either or both would want any further communication, how about this:

Could the parties agree to a selection process for the receiver? I.e., a way to find someone at random -- assuming that the person selected is amenable to spending some time on the project?

A third party could be given instructions on where to go (say a public venue) and bring back the first person that agrees to come -- the parties could, for example, roll a dice to select the color of the shirt that would be looked for. No communication with the receiver would be made by either side outside the presence of the other, so that neither side would have to worry about any signals or agreements.

Overly convoluted, time consuming, and to no purpose, but it might be tweaked into a compromise.

N/A

Carey can do exactly that already. He need only select the "third party" - nobody will object to any he selects.

He just won't do it. He never intended to submit to testing.

What a bore.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by NiallM
I'd given soeme consideration to a joint selection or some form of random selection. It still leaves me exposed to a claim that I had somehow "nobble" the person chosen.

The only way to enure absolutely that a test wouldn't be compromised by the selection of a receiver would be for Carey to provide his own. That way, I would be in no possible risk of being accused of interfering with the test.

Where do you find the patience, Niall?

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all ,
Niallm obviously has not got jrefs consent.
The unprecedented interest in this thread is coming something close to proof of part of my claim. But as I stated from the beginning there are other aspects of my original challange that are still being ignored.
I have no desire to destroy jref , but to possibly use the money to undermine the tyranny of materialism, and the reactionism which splits all so called scientific thought.

If one knows the world is round and yet feels constrained to say it is flat...... sounds a little familar does it not.

Paul Carey.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
Niallm obviously has not got jrefs consent.
The unprecedented interest in this thread is coming something close to proof of part of my claim. But as I stated from the beginning there are other aspects of my original challange that are still being ignored.
I have no desire to destroy jref , but to possibly use the money to undermine the tyranny of materialism, and the reactionism which splits all so called scientific thought.

If one knows the world is round and yet feels constrained to say it is flat...... sounds a little familar does it not.

Paul Carey.

We're way past the point where anyone cares about what you say. Either do it or be labeled a fraud.

(edited for clarification)

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
We're way past the point where anyone cares about what you say. Either do it or be labeled a fraud.

(edited for clarification)

Methinks he has already pasted the label securely in place.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
Niallm obviously has not got jrefs consent.
The unprecedented interest in this thread is coming something close to proof of part of my claim. But as I stated from the beginning there are other aspects of my original challange that are still being ignored.
I have no desire to destroy jref , but to possibly use the money to undermine the tyranny of materialism, and the reactionism which splits all so called scientific thought.

If one knows the world is round and yet feels constrained to say it is flat...... sounds a little familar does it not.

Paul Carey.
Paul,

It was very very explicit that the only type of test that I could arrange would *not* be under the auspices of the JREF.

I am not involved with JREF, I am not acting on their behalf. I made this explicit two weeks ago. You appear to have some comprehension difficulties. I can forward links to adult literacy classes in Cork should you feel the need for one. There's no shame in applying for one.

My offer was a means to enable you to be tested informally at your convenience - in your hometown at a time of your choosing.

Had you passed the test, you had my promise that I would throw my efforts into ensuring that you got a full JREF test for the million.

I told you all of this aver a fortnight ago in very simple terms.

Your obfuscations and your death-throes as your inability to allow your claims to be tested becomes ever more transparent have excited my sympathy for you.

So there, you have my pity.

You have wasted enough of my time. Anyone who has read your rubbish and your non-sequiturs will see that you have ignored offers, mis-represented others' posts, and ven lied about matters which are clearly on the record - sometimes a mere post or two above your own lies.

The kindest view that I have of you is that you are someow afflicted with comprehension difficulties. The alternative is that you are deliberately lying.

I suspect the latter, and am refusing to have any more dealings with this issue.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Metullus
Methinks he has already pasted the label securely in place.

Hmm... point to you. :)

[webfusion]

Look how far we have come, and now let's stop.

Please, in the name of mercy, let us all agree to end this thread. I am reminded of one part of a message written by Mike Reen early-on in this case, and we would all do well to recall it:

"Do you have any criteria for the suspected mental health of an applicant? Our core group are all practising clinical psychologists who have some serious questions about this particular claimant.
There are some ethical and professional anxieties attached to testing people who may have mental health problems."

What could possibly be said in this discussion that already hasn't been? What additional replies need to be made to the raving posts of this individual?

There is no further purpose being served here. Thank you.

<30>

[Metullus]

But we've made so much progress. I am sooooo close to believiving everything Carey has to say.

If he'll just repeat himself one more time....

[Gr8wight]

I, for one, agree. I am not going to post in this thread.

[jmercer]

That sounds like a plan to me, too. Signing off...

[Placebo]

Originally posted by webfusion
What could possibly be said in this discussion that already hasn't been? What additional replies need to be made to the raving posts of this individual?

There is no further purpose being served here. Thank you.

<30> [/B]
Point taken. Carey is either delusional (and likely mentally ill) or fraudulent. Further discussion seems to go nowhere with him.

So here's my duplicate 'signing off' post in this thread :P

[Metullus]

So long, and thanks for all the fish...

[CrunchyMush]

Originally posted by NiallM
Paul,

It was very very explicit that the only type of test that I could arrange would *not* be under the auspices of the JREF.

I am not involved with JREF, I am not acting on their behalf. I made this explicit two weeks ago. You appear to have some comprehension difficulties. I can forward links to adult literacy classes in Cork should you feel the need for one. There's no shame in applying for one.

My offer was a means to enable you to be tested informally at your convenience - in your hometown at a time of your choosing.

Had you passed the test, you had my promise that I would throw my efforts into ensuring that you got a full JREF test for the million.

I told you all of this aver a fortnight ago in very simple terms.

Your obfuscations and your death-throes as your inability to allow your claims to be tested becomes ever more transparent have excited my sympathy for you.

So there, you have my pity.

You have wasted enough of my time. Anyone who has read your rubbish and your non-sequiturs will see that you have ignored offers, mis-represented others' posts, and ven lied about matters which are clearly on the record - sometimes a mere post or two above your own lies.

The kindest view that I have of you is that you are someow afflicted with comprehension difficulties. The alternative is that you are deliberately lying.

I suspect the latter, and am refusing to have any more dealings with this issue.

NiallM, check your Private Messages.

[DivaLasVegas]

Oh me good god *g*

After reading through all the posts in this thread there seems to be no end in this matter at all and instead of running around in circles, i have come to my own conclusion.

I WILL TEST HIM !

Paul,

you have stated that you can also "read" the upcoming lottery numbers.
Give me the numbers and after i win, i will give you 1 million dollars and let the world know about you.

Thats it !
Very simple!
Just do it ! :D

[Ashles]

I think this thread has been fun because it is always interesting to see someone utterly caught out in a lie (just like Emmerdale last week - poor Sadie).

But the entertainment appeal of watching someone lying and squirming in that lie has certainly got a bit old in this thread.

And it looks like it is in severe danger of going off on an 'anti-materialism' tangent which seems to be the last boring refuge of many caught-out claimants (hello Immsharman).

So by-bye Mr Carey. Your bluff has been called, your lies have been exposed and our attention has now waned.

Back to your anonymity.

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
To all those simple minded types out there (who obviously are aware of my abilities anyway), the moment I accept any test that is not monitored by a mutually agreed third party , scientific verification goes right out the window. A barman who is already informed as to the nature of the test is no longer a valid reciever.
Thanks for your continued interest .

I presume the person who monitors hateful material is either asleep or dead.
Paul Carey.

P.S. As to the posters......publish and be damned.

[Gulliver]

Please do not feed the troll.
Thank you!

[NiallM]

Carey,

I never ever suggested that a barman be used in the test.

Please show me where I suggested that.

Go ahead and show me precisely where I ever suggested that.

Do it now.

I have, however, repeatedly demanded that you meet me with your own"receiver"

It is clear that you have wriggled out of every effort to be tested on your claims even when it was possible to arrange that it be done in your own backyard.

I made a challenge and you twisted everyone's words in responding to it.

It's now abundandtly clear that you are incapable of meeting that challenge and that you will lie in attempting to "explain" your inability. It's so so clear to everyone here.

Sadly for you, you know that you can't meet the challenge as well. You also know, deep down, that you're in the wrong.


You're a sad little man. Goodnight.

[Ashles]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
To all those simple minded types out there (who obviously are aware of my abilities anyway), the moment I accept any test that is not monitored by a mutually agreed third party , scientific verification goes right out the window. A barman who is already informed as to the nature of the test is no longer a valid reciever.
Thanks for your continued interest .

I presume the person who monitors hateful material is either asleep or dead.
Paul Carey.

P.S. As to the posters......publish and be damned.
Desperate attempt to maintain interest.

Can... barely... keep... awake... repetition... evasion... eyelids heavy...

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,

Here is a curious "fact"
Much interest in the thread , along with randies significant silence. Perhaps the world is flat after all.

Your continued interest is appreciated.
Paul Carey.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,

Here is a curious "fact"
Much interest in the thread , along with randies significant silence. Perhaps the world is flat after all.

Your continued interest is appreciated.
Paul Carey.
"fact" in inverted commas? Further proof that you simply do not have a clue.

The undeniable fact is that you were offered a test in your own town and at your convenience. Every single possible effort has been made to let you sit a test.

You have failed, and people here see you for the fraud you are.

[Zep]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
To all those simple minded types out there (who obviously are aware of my abilities anyway), the moment I accept any test that is not monitored by a mutually agreed third party , scientific verification goes right out the window. A barman who is already informed as to the nature of the test is no longer a valid reciever.
Thanks for your continued interest .

I presume the person who monitors hateful material is either asleep or dead.
Paul Carey.

P.S. As to the posters......publish and be damned. PISSWEAK!

[Gr8wight]

I am still refusing to post in this thread.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Gr8wight
I am still refusing to post in this thread.
Yep. This is not a post. Please disregard :p

[billydkid]

Originally posted by NiallM
Kramer,

I fully appreciate that your patience is tested to the hilt by idiots such as Carey. It's obvious that he's not an isolated case.

Dealing with people like him, however, appears to me to be part of your job.

The Million Dollar Challenge acts as a magnet to all the woo-woos out there.

As a long-term lurker here, I've often thought that the tone of some of your exchanges borders on hostility.

Now the cancer thing. That really is going way too far. Not from Carey's perspective - but from the perspective of cancer sufferers everywhere. Characterising this awful malady as some form of punishment throws sufferers into the same boat as Carey - i.e., it rather implies that they for some reason have deserved to develop cancer.

It's a vile thing to wish for, and it's unbecoming of an organisation that professes to stand for rational thought.

For the record, wishing someone ill (bone cancer, for example) has absolutely no effect with respect to whether or not illness befalls a person. I can't help but think that implicit in people's horror at Kramer wishing the guy bone cancer is the slight superstition that Kramer's wishes might conceivably have some impact and the guys health. I think people's squimishness at Kramer saying that is completely irrational. What does it matter - except, maybe to your "sensitivities" - what Kramer wishes toward the guy or not.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by billydkid
For the record, wishing someone ill (bone cancer, for example) has absolutely no effect with respect to whether or not illness befalls a person. I can't help but think that implicit in people's horror at Kramer wishing the guy bone cancer is the slight superstition that Kramer's wishes might conceivably have some impact and the guys health. I think people's squimishness at Kramer saying that is completely irrational. What does it matter - except, maybe to your "sensitivities" - what Kramer wishes toward the guy or not.
I draw absoultely no link between a wiah as was expressed and the outcome. None at all.

I don't think that anyone here reckons that there's a correlation between a malevolent desire and the outcome of that wish.

I, for one, don't hold any superstious feeling about it.

It's purely a matter of association. To wish cancer on someone for their obnoxious behaviour is to inply that other cancer sufferers share the same boat with the object of your wish. Perhaps they were even *deserving* of their cancer.

The matter has been dealt with long ago.

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by NiallM
I draw absoultely no link between a wiah as was expressed and the outcome. None at all.

I don't think that anyone here reckons that there's a correlation between a malevolent desire and the outcome of that wish.

I, for one, don't hold any superstious feeling about it.
I mildly disagree :)
Not in the vein of superstition, but in the vein of the psychosomatic effects of 'cursing' a person.

We know that telling someone that they are ill can easily result in them actually feeling ill. I highly doubt that the person would result in cancer, but they would end up watching carefully for any changes in their health. Especially if THEY are superstitious. That's hardly a nice, healthy outcome

[EDIT]
Of course anybody aware of the psychosomatic effect, and having a skeptical mind would not fall into this same trap. We are talking about someone like Paul here though :p

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
As the net closes in , things must obviously come to a head. Niallms interest is based on his knowledge of my abilities. And as my thread is currently getting the most hits the obvious conclusion is that people are aware, but feel unwilling to make a really positive statement.

Being positive is the only way out of this mess.

Thanks for your continued interest.

Paul Carey.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
As the net closes in , things must obviously come to a head. Niallms interest is based on his knowledge of my abilities. And as my thread is currently getting the most hits the obvious conclusion is that people are aware, but feel unwilling to make a really positive statement.

Being positive is the only way out of this mess.

Thanks for your continued interest.

Paul Carey.
".. on his knowledge of my abilities"???

You have been offered every opportunity to display your "abilities".

The only ability that you have demonstrated is one for wriggling and evading any challenge to prove your claims.

You had the opportunity to make a "really positive statement". You had the opportunity to do so in your own town and at a time of your choosing. You didn't take up that offer.

Don't even attempt to insult me by suggesting that I bought in in any way to what is clearly your self-delusion or your attempt to delude others.

You have shown yourself to be a liar. Don't ever associate me with your lies again.

[webfusion]

For one thing, this is by far not the thread with the
"most hits" (4284) --- you can see that several other Million Dollar Challenge topics obtain many thousands of viewers
"Snappy Retorts To Lame Excuses For Not Taking The Challenge" and " Ideomotor Communication and Art" are also very popular.

Secondly, there is a valid reason for large volume of hits, and it has to do with people coming back here time and again (multiple visits) to see the latest idiocy from Paul Carey:

It's just human nature to stop and look when passing a bad car wreck. It causes huge traffic jams, exactly as you see here.
Yes, this thread is the 'car wreck' of the forum.

There will indeed be no way out of this mess,
so long as people keep replying here.

Please, NiallM, don't offer another posting. Your point is well understood, OK?

There is nothing positive to be gained from continuing discussion with this individual. That was very clear when the Million Dollar Challenge Administrator closed the file.

We all need to End this. Now. <30>

[naughtyrasputin]

hello all,
Try answering a straight question Niallm, either you are aware or are not --yes or no will suffice-- as to webfusion I notice your integrity does not extend to giving a name by which you will be recognised.
Thanks for your continued interest.

Paul Carey.

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all ,
The skeptics have fallen silent and are using gibberish as a defence . ( As all lunatics do eventually) .

Have not forgotten the "bone cancer" threat , and am taking the appropriate steps.
Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.

[Vikram]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
The skeptics have fallen silent and are using gibberish as a defence . ( As all lunatics do eventually) .

Have not forgotten the "bone cancer" threat , and am taking the appropriate steps.
Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.
Isn't it wonderful how while randomly browsing the internet you come across a recipe so mouthwatering that you just have to share it with others? So anyway here it is:

Swedish Meatballs

2 cups soft bread crumbs
2/3 cup milk
1 tablespoon butter
1/2 cup finely chopped onion
1 1/2 pounds lean ground beef
3 eggs, slightly beaten
2 teaspoons salt
1/2 teaspoon pepper
1 teaspoon nutmeg
1 teaspoon paprika
3 tablespoons butter
3 tablespoons flour
1 tablespoon beef base and 1 cup water or 1 can condensed beef broth, undiluted
1 cup sour cream

Soak bread crumbs in milk until softened. Melt 1 tablespoon butter in a saucepan or skillet and saute onion over low heat until softened. Mix softened bread crumbs, cooked onion and ground beef. Add eggs, salt, pepper, nutmeg and paprika. Mix thoroughly until well blended. Shape meat into small balls, dusting hands with flour frequently while shaping the balls. Melt remaining 3 tablespoons butter in large skillet. Add meat balls and fry until browned, turning carefully to brown all sides. Remove from pan, pour off all but about 3 tablespoons of drippings, then stir 3 tablespoons of flour into the remaining drippings. Stir untl well blended. Add beef broth, and a dash of pepper. Cook, stirring constantly until thickened. Reduce heat to low and cook 5 minutes. Stir in sour cream, a little at a time, stirring until thoroughly blended after each addition. Return meatballs to sauce; cover pan and simmer gently 5 minutes. Serve with hot buttered noodles. Makes about 6 dozen meatballs.

[Metullus]

Vikram,

I'm gonna try it.

This one for PENNE ALL'ARRABBIATA (ANGRY PENNE)

Ingredients:

3 tbsp. olive oil
6 oz. pancetta, sliced 1/4 inch thick and cut into strips
3 tbsp. unsalted butter
12 oz. field mushrooms, washed and sliced
1 onion, peeled and diced
2 cloves garlic, peeled and chopped
1 1/2 lb. plum tomatoes, skinned, seeded and diced
1 lb. dry penne noodles
2 tbsp. fresh basil, washed, picked and sliced
1 tbsp. fresh parsley, washed, picked and chopped salt and pepper
1 tsp. chilli flakes or 1 hot banana pepper

1) Heat two tbsp. of olive oil in a heavy- bottomed pan over medium heat. Add the pancetta or bacon and cook until it is starting to become crisp. Drain off the oils and set the pancetta aside.

2) Heat the same pan with the butter and mushrooms and cook until most of the juices have evaporated. Set aside with the pancetta.

3) Heat the remaining olive oil over a medium-low heat. Add the onion, garlic and hot pepper. Cook for 4 to 6 minutes or until the onion is translucent. At this point, it has lost is raw flavor. Add the tomatoes and bring to a full simmer, then drop to a gentle simmer. Cook for about 20 minutes, until rich and thick.

4) Fill a large pot (about 6 qt.) with cold water. Bring the water to a full boil. Add 1 tbsp. salt. Add the pasta and stir once. Cover the pot until it returns to a boil. Cook until the pasta is al dente meaning "to the tooth". The pasta should have some "chewiness" left. Drain the pasta.

5) Add the pasta to the sauce. Return the bacon and mushrooms to the sauce. Raise the temperature and heat through. Add the basil and parsley. Season the dish with salt and pepper to taste. Divide into hot bowls and serve.

[KRAMER]

Anyone here who neglects to make a DAT'L DROPS purchase within the next 48 hours loses my respect.

Permanently.

There's just no going back, folks.

[Vikram]

Originally posted by Metullus
This one for PENNE ALL'ARRABBIATA (ANGRY PENNE)
Mmmmm. Sounds delicious. Why 'angry' penne though?

[Vikram]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Anyone here who neglects to make a DAT'L DROPS purchase within the next 48 hours loses my respect.

Permanently.

There's just no going back, folks.
Okay! Okay! I'm buying it! :p

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Vikram
Mmmmm. Sounds delicious. Why 'angry' penne though? Haven't you ever heard a food critic speak of the sauce as " being a bit angry " ?



Me neither.. But I thought it sounded good..:D

[Metullus]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Anyone here who neglects to make a DAT'L DROPS purchase within the next 48 hours loses my respect.

Permanently.

There's just no going back, folks.

I'm in. I'm nothing if not gullible.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by Vikram
Mmmmm. Sounds delicious. Why 'angry' penne though?

The pepper. I always put in too much pepper.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Anyone here who neglects to make a DAT'L DROPS purchase within the next 48 hours loses my respect.

Permanently.

There's just no going back, folks.

What's a "DAT'L DROPS", and why would I want one??

[Metullus]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Anyone here who neglects to make a DAT'L DROPS purchase within the next 48 hours loses my respect.

Permanently.

There's just no going back, folks.

I just ordered it from the Chili Pepper Emporium.

5 bottles.

I'm not sue my health plan covers this stuff.

KRAMER... have you actually tried it? For real?

[jmercer]

Oh - and I have an INCREDIBLE, simple and utterly addictive fudge recipe. Guaranteed to add inches to your waistline as you helpless gobble down the little cubes of distilled pleasure... Want it? :)

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
What's a "DAT'L DROPS", and why would I want one??

A REAL MAN wouldn't ask - he'd just go out and get it.

"Datil Devil Drops hot sauce
Description: Made with Datil peppers, mango pulp, carrot puree, vinegar, garlic, lime juice, sugar, spices & corn syrup. Fat free."

Best part is it's "fat free". That's why I ordered 5 bottles.

Want one?

[Vikram]

Originally posted by jmercer
Oh - and I have an INCREDIBLE, simple and utterly addictive fudge recipe. Guaranteed to add inches to your waistline as you helpless gobble down the little cubes of distilled pleasure... Want it? :)
YES!

And make sure you post it on BOTH threads. Remember, some things are so important that they require two separate threads...

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
Oh - and I have an INCREDIBLE, simple and utterly addictive fudge recipe. Guaranteed to add inches to your waistline as you helpless gobble down the little cubes of distilled pleasure... Want it? :)

Of course, Mr Incredible.

Wait a mo' - incredible as in "not believable"? We have enough of that on this thread...

[KRAMER]

Originally posted by Metullus
I just ordered it from the Chili Pepper Emporium.
KRAMER... have you actually tried it? For real?

The BEST. You'll never forget me.

Flavor like you wouldn't believe. Hot, yes, but that's just not what DAT'L Drops are all about.

You just wait. You did the right thing.

p.s. My home is full of them, all different varieties.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Metullus
A REAL MAN wouldn't ask - he'd just go out and get it.

"Datil Devil Drops hot sauce
Description: Made with Datil peppers, mango pulp, carrot puree, vinegar, garlic, lime juice, sugar, spices & corn syrup. Fat free."

Best part is it's "fat free". That's why I ordered 5 bottles.

Want one?

OH, wow! Yeah, gonna get some ASAP... I never heard of Datil peppers, so this should be ... interesting... :)

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Metullus
Of course, Mr Incredible.

Wait a mo' - incredible as in "not believable"? We have enough of that on this thread...

No, it's incredible as in "Somebody please help me because I can't stop eating these rule(8) things!" incredible. ;)

FYI, I hate totally sugary-sweet fudge that you have to choke down... this particular recipe is creamy, just sweet enough, and the main featured flavor that comes through is what it should be - chocolate! :D

Just promise that you won't put nuts or anything in it... that would be a crime against humanity!

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
No, it's incredible as in "Somebody please help me because I can't stop eating these rule(8) things!" incredible. ;)

FYI, I hate totally sugary-sweet fudge that you have to choke down... this particular recipe is creamy, just sweet enough, and the main featured flavor that comes through is what it should be - chocolate! :D

Just promise that you won't put nuts or anything in it... that would be a crime against humanity!

No nuts. I promise.

Too many around here anyway! :D

[Metullus]

Originally posted by KRAMER
The BEST. You'll never forget me.

Flavor like you wouldn't believe. Hot, yes, but that's just not what DAT'L Drops are all about.

You just wait. You did the right thing.

p.s. My home is full of them, all different varieties.

There are many people I will never forget.

Forgiveness is another issue entirely....:)

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all ,
The skeptics have fallen silent and are using gibberish as a defence . ( As all lunatics do eventually) .

Have not forgotten the "bone cancer" threat , and am taking the appropriate steps.
Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.


If by "appropriate steps" you mean "out the door," I'm all for that. If by "appropriate steps" you mean a low impact fitness regimen, I'm all for that, too. If by "appropriate steps" you mean off the top of a really, really tall ladder, well, I wouldn't reccomend that. If by "appropriate steps" you mean dancing to a Billy Ray Cyrus song, MY GAWD! please spare us. If by "appropriate steps" you mean "the Texas shuffle," don't be freakin' stupid, that's a guitar riff. If by "appropriate steps" you mean a long walk off a short pier, I hope you are wearing a PFD. If by "appropriate steps" you mean Irish Clog Dancing, don't bother. Canadian Maritimers do it way better than anyone from "The Emerald Isle" these days anyway. If by "appropriate steps" you mean "stepping up to bat" and actually participating in the JREF $1,000,000 challenge, I believe you are A BIG FAT LIAR.

Now, that's just my personal opinion, and it is based on pretty thin evidence. However, until evidence to the contrary is presented, I'm gonna go with it.

Oh, and if by "appropriate steps" you mean "wiggidy-wiggidy-wiggidy-woo," be sure to post the video of that up here. We all want to see it.

Thanks Paul,

Paul

[DivaLasVegas]

You are all mean :(

Wheeeeeere is the Angelcake Recipe i requested ?

Here is the *Penne Arrabiatta* delish, hihi http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie.php?smile_ID=1780

[jmercer]

Don't know where the cake is, but here's the chocolate... Heh... in honor of JREF, I'll call this "The Amazing Fudge!"

18 oz. chocolate chips (good quality)
1 can sweetened condensed milk
1 tsp. vanilla extract
dash of salt

Pour all ingredients into a pot and melt the chips over a medium to low heat, stirring constantly to prevent burning.

Line a 9x9 pan with waxed paper and pour the melted chocolate mixture into the pan smoothing it out evenly....refrigerate about 4 hours, then cut into pieces.

Recipe can be doubled, of course - and after the first batch, you'll almost be certain do that. ;) We cut this into rough cubes about 1/2 inch... this will literally melt in your mouth, especially when it's fresh!

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
Don't know where the cake is, but here's the chocolate... Heh... in honor of JREF, I'll call this "The Amazing Fudge!"

18 oz. chocolate chips (good quality)
1 can sweetened condensed milk
1 tsp. vanilla extract
dash of salt

Pour all ingredients into a pot and melt the chips over a medium to low heat, stirring constantly to prevent burning.

Line a 9x9 pan with waxed paper and pour the melted chocolate mixture into the pan smoothing it out evenly....refrigerate about 4 hours, then cut into pieces.

Recipe can be doubled, of course - and after the first batch, you'll almost be certain do that. ;) We cut this into rough cubes about 1/2 inch... this will literally melt in your mouth, especially when it's fresh!

Note to Woos:

This is an example of a claim that can be tested. And I will take it upon myself to do so...

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
Moderators are definately on the payroll. Cult it be possible . ( EXCUSE MY SPILLING).

Paul Carey.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Moderators are definately on the payroll. Cult it be possible . ( EXCUSE MY SPILLING).

Paul Carey.

So, my wife is making anisette cookies this weekend... if you folks are really nice to me, maybe I'll steal a copy of her recipe and post it here for ya. ;)

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
So, my wife is making anisette cookies this weekend... if you folks are really nice to me, maybe I'll steal a copy of her recipe and post it here for ya. ;)

I'm still paying for my last sin! :)

By the way, my Datil Devil Drops hot sauce has arrived.

I'm looking for vict...uh, volunteers to try some tonite.

[DivaLasVegas]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Moderators are definately on the payroll. Cult it be possible . ( EXCUSE MY SPILLING).

Paul Carey.

I have such a moderate recipe for a pancake-roll, that it is definately Cult.

Would that help ? :D

[Placebo]

Speaking of aniseed, since Paul brought it up, has anyone had anijs (?) blokjes ... aniseed blocks?
You put it in milk to have a liquoricey milk drink. Sounds strange I know, but it's pretty good ;)

[jmercer]

Originally posted by DivaLasVegas
I have such a moderate recipe for a pancake-roll, that it is definately Cult.

Would that help ? :D

I'd like to see it, if you willing to share it... :)

[CptColumbo]

Any good recipes for Buttermilk Biscuits out there? All I have is an old Betty Crocker/Good Housekeeping cook book.

[KRAMER]

Do you think I'm putting on some weight? I mean, up here, around my neck.

I think I'm starting to look like I'm putting on some weight.
I'm very concerned about this. VERY, very concerned.

[Powa]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Do you think I'm putting on some weight? I mean, up here, around my neck.

I think I'm starting to look like I'm putting on some weight.
I'm very concerned about this. VERY, very concerned.
I think you should do some double-blind weighing.

[dianycis]

This may be overly simplistic, but I feel even Mr.Carey will understand.

Each Side brings 1 receiver (for a total of 2)
NiallM (tester) will bring one
Paul Carey (testee) will bring one

Other than that the test is simply the same. Have them both sit in a room and wait till they have both been sent the "messages." How could Mr.Carey not agree to this test that will be simple to arrange and under 20 minutes to accomplish? He can bring anyone on the planet who will come with him (so long as they are here on the material plane with us and we all can see them).

Neither side can complain because if the first receiver claims to have "received" nothing, then there is still the 2nd one (Mr. Carey's back-up). If the reverse happens - then the results will be jugded as accurate or not.

If even one of the 2 "receivers" gets even one of the sentences correct I will show you all to my pot of gold......

For someone who claims to be able to "Implant" thoughts into peoples heads - he seems to be a very poor communicator.........ironic I think. Why not just meet with the testers and speak to them with your thoughts???

I think the test phrases should be numbers mixed with letters (12GR788P22MQA etc.) and he can choose 5 from the 20 (but don't tell the "receivers" what they could be getting - to hear the hilarity of his receivers answers).

Is there even anyone alive who will come forward and back up his claim to have heard his thought transferrances? (Or even verify his identity and if he is roaming the streets a free person?)

The only reasons Mr.Carey would refuse to bring a 2nd "receiver" is:

A> He hasn't one single friend or relative that will go anywhere with him, or

B> He is incarcerated at a mental facility or prison with internet access.

C> He is a fraud.


To Whoever lives in the same town and will go test him: I would make sure to bring a tazer/pepperspray to the testing location and a couple "bodyguards" as every single thing he has written leads me to believe he is clearly insane and delusional.

[Vikram]

Originally posted by dianycis
C> He is a fraud.
Bingo!

I have an excellent recipe of Lasagna Bolognaise for him, if he's interested.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Vikram
Bingo!

I have an excellent recipe of Lasagna Bolognaise for him, if he's interested.
Well don't hold back on it on his account!
I love lasagna, perhaps my wife could try it out :D

[Vikram]

Originally posted by Placebo
Well don't hold back on it on his account!
I love lasagna, perhaps my wife could try it out :D
I won't post the recipe today. Wednesdays are a no-go.

[Darat]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Moderators are definately on the payroll. Cult it be possible . ( EXCUSE MY SPILLING).

Paul Carey.


A note, no Member of the Moderating Team is paid by the JREF for being on the Moderating Team, we are all volunteers.

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,

Hope you are all well.

Having been beaten to the tape by the Russians so often , I think it is time you learned to accept that an Irish person can also be the first. SUCK IT UP , and grow up a little.

Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin

Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.
What continued interest? My pina colada recipe? Or perhaps you'd prefer a secret cocktail called a 'South Easter'
One tot tequila, blue, apple sours and peach schnapps. Add lemonade and you're set!
I love it ;)

[KRAMER]

My nipples get hard if I stand too close to my microwave.

Please explain.

Thanks for your continued interest.

Don't mention it.

OK I won't.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by Darat
A note, no Member of the Moderating Team is paid by the JREF for being on the Moderating Team, we are all volunteers.

A thankless task, I am sure. Could you use a pick-me-up? A bottle of Datil Devil Drops might do the trick....

[Metullus]

Originally posted by KRAMER
My nipples get hard if I stand too close to my microwave.

Please explain.

Thanks for your continued interest.

Don't mention it.

OK I won't.

Well, that's one image that will sure put me off my feed...

[Vikram]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,

Hope you are all well.

Having been beaten to the tape by the Russians so often , I think it is time you learned to accept that an Irish person can also be the first. SUCK IT UP , and grow up a little.

Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.
No! No! No! I won't post the recipe for lasagna today! As per my rules, even Thursday is a no-go.

Thank you for your continued interest.

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,

Hope you are all well.

Having been beaten to the tape by the Russians so often , I think it is time you learned to accept that an Irish person can also be the first. SUCK IT UP , and grow up a little.

Thanks for your continued interest.


Paul Carey.

English isn't your first language, is it Paul?

[Ashles]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Thanks for your continued interest.

Ah, this must be some strange new usage of the word 'interest' of which I wasn't previously aware.

Interest has always meant to me that emotion raised by the prospect of cooking my Toad in the Hole with Tolouse sausages wrapped in parma ham served with spring onion mash and onion gravy.

[gmanontario]

Interest has always meant to me that emotion raised by the prospect of cooking my Toad in the Hole with Tolouse sausages wrapped in parma ham served with spring onion mash and onion gravy. [/B]

This sounds absurdly delicious. May I have the recipe?

[NiallM]

Originally posted by dianycis
This may be overly simplistic, but I feel even Mr.Carey will understand.

Each Side brings 1 receiver (for a total of 2)
NiallM (tester) will bring one
Paul Carey (testee) will bring one
<snip>
To Whoever lives in the same town and will go test him: I would make sure to bring a tazer/pepperspray to the testing location and a couple "bodyguards" as every single thing he has written leads me to believe he is clearly insane and delusional.
He had his chance and didn't take it.

No tazers or pepper-sprays allowed in Ireland, by the way.

To get back to the topic, does anyone have a really good recipe for chili? One that involves putting my toilet roll in the fridge?

[Ashles]

Originally posted by gmanontario
This sounds absurdly delicious. May I have the recipe?
Well I say my recipe - actually it is mostly Nigel Slater's:

Toad and Gravy (http://www.west175productions.com/Great_Food/recipes/recipe033.htm)
I like parma ham, but he lists the other options.

Trust me, the gravy on that page is something very special.

Also, make a big pot of mash (use creme fraiche instead of milk) and finely chop some spring onions into it.

Place all on huge plate then put face in dish and start eating.

Dee lish us.

[Darat]

Originally posted by Ashles
Well I say my recipe - actually it is mostly Nigel Slater's:

Toad and Gravy (http://www.west175productions.com/Great_Food/recipes/recipe033.htm)
I like parma ham, but he lists the other options.

Trust me, the gravy on that page is something very special.

Also, make a big pot of mash (use creme fraiche instead of milk) and finely chop some spring onions into it.

Place all on huge plate then put face in dish and start eating.

Dee lish us.

As a slight variation on the onion gravy: instead of cooking the onions in a pan I suggest placing a teaspoon of olive oil in a bowl, add a teaspoon of sugar and then throw your sliced onions into bowl and swish them around until they are evenly coated. Then spread them thinly on a baking tray and roast them in a hot oven (200 C) for about 10 minutes or until they’ve just started to brown and the edges are almost crispy. Then follow his recipe. I think it adds even more depth to the onion gravy.

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by NiallM
He had his chance and didn't take it.

No tazers or pepper-sprays allowed in Ireland, by the way.

To get back to the topic, does anyone have a really good recipe for chili? One that involves putting my toilet roll in the fridge?

I love making a good pot of chili, but my wife always complains that I make it too hot. Unfortunately, my chili recipe calls for tomatoes and hot peppers picked fresh that day in my own back yard garden, so it's a little difficult to duplicate. Especially in Ireland. Potatoes just don't make a good substitute for the tomatoes. ;)

[KRAMER]

...to thank you for your continued interest.

Sorry.

[Winny]

Erm, hello.

Is this the erect-nipple thread?

[Gr8wight]

Originally posted by Winny
Erm, hello.

Is this the erect-nipple thread?

If you have an erect nipple, we'll darn well make it the erect nipple thread, because that's just the kind of folks we are.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by Gr8wight
If you have an erect nipple, we'll darn well make it the erect nipple thread, because that's just the kind of folks we are.

Yup! We're nothing if not accommodating!

[Ashles]

Chilli, mashed potato and erect nipples.

Everything you need for a darn fine night.

[NiallM]

I wrote to my bank manager today with instructions regarding my long-term savings account.

Can anyone here guess how I ended the letter?

[Placebo]

Originally posted by NiallM
Can anyone here guess how I ended the letter?
Something about your erect nipples?

[Powa]

Originally posted by NiallM
I wrote to my bank manager today with instructions regarding my long-term savings account.

Can anyone here guess how I ended the letter?
Thank you for your interest?

[Ashles]

Originally posted by Powa
Thank you for your interest?
:D

[Ashles]

Originally posted by NiallM
I wrote to my bank manager today with instructions regarding my long-term savings account.

Can anyone here guess how I ended the letter?
Weekends are a no go?

[NiallM]

Originally posted by Ashles
Weekends are a no go?
If I'd thought of that I would have included that.

Randi's Million goes to those who correctly interpreted my psychic transmissions.

"Thank you for your continued interest."

[Metullus]

Originally posted by NiallM
If I'd thought of that I would have included that.

Randi's Million goes to those who correctly interpreted my psychic transmissions.

"Thank you for your continued interest."

I knew that, of course, but I did not want the attention my prediction would bring to me. Plus, I have a life, and I don't see why I should predict just every old thing that comes around. Plus, if I had predicted it, you would have changed it to make my prediction wrong. Plus, I have this blind female Ginger cat ....

[NiallM]

Originally posted by Metullus
I knew that, of course, but I did not want the attention my prediction would bring to me. Plus, I have a life, and I don't see why I should predict just every old thing that comes around. Plus, if I had predicted it, you would have changed it to make my prediction wrong. Plus, I have this blind female Ginger cat ....
You'r quite right not to abuse your powers! Overuse of them can reduce their effectivness!

Thank you for your continental mint rest.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by NiallM
You'r quite right not to abuse your powers! Overuse of them can reduce their effectivness!

Quite right, of course!

You want I should post some pictures? You, know, so I can prove something in case you doubt...

Ooops... wrong thread. I get so confused sometimes.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Metullus
Quite right, of course!

You want I should post some pictures? You, know, so I can prove something in case you doubt...

Ooops... wrong thread. I get so confused sometimes.

Be careful! Kramer might get the idea that he should post evidence of his erect nipples near the microwave... :eek:

[KRAMER]

...for your continued nipple interest.

p.s. Evidence???!!!! YOU try it and watch what happens. I'm not special. Go ahead. Conduct your own DBT before submitting your application. The proof is in the haggis.

[NiallM]

Originally posted by KRAMER
...for your continued nipple interest.

p.s. Evidence???!!!! YOU try it and watch what happens. I'm not special. Go ahead. Conduct your own DBT before submitting your application. The proof is in the haggis.
Being sexually aroused by microwave ovens is far far more prevalent than you could ever imagine.

The sex is the problem, typically lasting only a few seconds.

They're also fickle. My ex-microwave routinely faked pleasure in my efforts. After a while, though, I began to release there was only sadness in the resigned "DING!" which was supposed to signal an ecstatic end to our coupling.

I'm now in a stable and loving relationship with a DVD player.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by KRAMER
...for your continued nipple interest.

p.s. Evidence???!!!! YOU try it and watch what happens. I'm not special. Go ahead. Conduct your own DBT before submitting your application. The proof is in the haggis.

But KRAMER, to us you are more than special!

[KRAMER]

Originally posted by NiallM
Being sexually aroused by microwave ovens is far far more prevalent than you could ever imagine.

Wait just one cotton pickin' minute!!!!

When did I EVER say anything about sexual arousal? It frickin' HURTS!!!

Sorry to disappoint, but I left my whips and leather mask and stillettos in my previous life.

So just WATCH IT.

And thanks for your most tattoed pin chest.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by KRAMER
Wait just one cotton pickin' minute!!!!

When did I EVER say anything about sexual arousal? It frickin' HURTS!!!

Sorry to disappoint, but I left my whips and leather mask and stillettos in my previous life.

So just WATCH IT.

And thanks for your most tattoed pin chest.
Isn't always supposed to hurt..? :(

[naughtyrasputin]

hello all ,
no need to get hysterical,
all is forgiven,
thanks for your interest.

Paul Carey.

[Vikram]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
hello all ,
no need to get hysterical,
all is forgiven,
thanks for your interest.

Paul Carey.
A recipe for something you can feast on.

Humble Pie

Ingredients:

15 tablespoons of humility
5 tablespoons of apology
6 tablespoons of continued interest
3 teaspoons of reality
A pinch of frustration
A dash of attention-seeking behavior
A lot of short crust pastry

Method:

Pre heat your brain to 340 F.
Mix ingredients with 2 pints/water.
Bake in your head on weekdays. (Weekends are a no-go.)

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
Just kidding ,

as far as randy and cosmo are concerned .....yank their chains hard enough and you can hear the quackery. The obvious has not yet penetrated their provincial intellects. If anyone can guess the real point before my next post a prize is GUARUANTEED.

Paul Carey.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Just kidding ,

as far as randy and cosmo are concerned .....yank their chains hard enough and you can hear the quackery. The obvious has not yet penetrated their provincial intellects. If anyone can guess the real point before my next post a prize is GUARUANTEED.

Paul Carey.

Does anyone have a good recipe for shrimp fra diavolo? I like my stuff spicy at times, but I can't seem to find a good one for shrimp...

[Powa]

Originally posted by jmercer
I like my stuff spicy at times...
Me too. I use dried and ground red peppers (home grown). The stuff is HOT! One little pinch of it and you're sweating, with tears in your eyes. In fact, I believe the stuff would burn through titanium.

[KRAMER]

I haven't eaten in a week.

[Powa]

Originally posted by KRAMER
I haven't eaten in a week.
But I thought you were being fed bullsh!t everyday.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Powa
But I thought you were being fed bullsh!t everyday.

:dl:

"Force-Fed" isn't exactly eating...

[Beady]

Originally posted by KRAMER
I haven't eaten in a week.

How's your stool?

[Metullus]

Shrimp fra diavolo? No.

But I have a GREAT recipe for Cajun Barbecued Shrimp that I picked up during an extended tenure in New Orleans if anyone is interested.

I suspect it is spicy enough even for KRAMER.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by Beady
How's your stool?
Whatever he answers, let us all agree to not ask for evidence, okay?

[IXP]

Originally posted by jmercer
Does anyone have a good recipe for shrimp fra diavolo? I like my stuff spicy at times, but I can't seem to find a good one for shrimp...
Shrimp Fra Diavolo:

1 Shrimp
3 Tablespoons Cayenne Pepper

Need I say more?

IXP

[Metullus]

Originally posted by IXP
Shrimp Fra Diavolo:

1 Shrimp
3 Tablespoons Cayenne Pepper

Need I say more?

IXP
Chase with a shot of Tabasco?

[webfusion]

http://www.firetwirl.net/image_index/mick03.jpg

[Hawk one]

I wonder if Ashles ever got to try my tip on how one can put in mashed potatoes as a part of a taco recipe in order to minimise the spilling of the taco juices...

[webfusion]

Tacos in Norway? Now THAT's paranormal.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Metullus
Shrimp fra diavolo? No.

But I have a GREAT recipe for Cajun Barbecued Shrimp that I picked up during an extended tenure in New Orleans if anyone is interested.

I suspect it is spicy enough even for KRAMER.

I'm definitely interested! :)

[jmercer]

Originally posted by IXP
Shrimp Fra Diavolo:

1 Shrimp
3 Tablespoons Cayenne Pepper

Need I say more?

IXP

Wow! Really? That simple? Thanks!

[Squidd]

All right, I've been reading over this thread with much (continued) interest, and if I may be so bold, I'd like to make a suggestion.

Just give the man a receiver.

The rules already require that he make a video-taped statement, before and after the tape, avowing that he agreed to the protocol, that the test is a fair one, and that it will verify or refute his claim. If he really doesn't want to supply his own receiver--which it would only be to his benefit to do--fine. Don't make him. Just be sure that his statement specifically mentions that he insisted on having a receiver provided for him, and that, in the event of failure, blame should be considered to lie solely on him, and not on the receiver he refused to have anything to do with obtaining.

He's been trying to hide behind this paper-thin excuse for far too long. I say, give it to him... mostly because I'm curious to see what new line of malarkey he'll pull out.

And don't forget: Weekends are a no-go.

[Ashles]

Originally posted by Hawk one
I wonder if Ashles ever got to try my tip on how one can put in mashed potatoes as a part of a taco recipe in order to minimise the spilling of the taco juices...
Sad to say I haven't yet - Girlfiend is vegetarian so I don't have meat in too much these days.

Squidd, you've read all Carey's responses - would you go to the trouble of setting up a flawed experiment just to suit him?
Would you go to all that trouble knowing exactly what he will say if it doesn't work?

The JREF doesn't have any obligation to test anyone - it only spends its time (and that of associated sceptical groups) on challenges which they feel are genuine.
This one clearly isn't.

There is no reason for the JREF to agree to a protocol which they are unhappy with just to prove a point. Carey is a rather pitiful attention seeker, and the JREF has taken the entirely sensible decision to not continue any involvement with him.

We try to avoid him as well but he keeps trying to get our attention with whiny little posts and distract us from the rather more important issue of recipes.

[Squidd]

I'm not saying I think there's any chance the test would ever actually happen. I just want to see how he'd try to weasel out of it if they conceded what was ostensibly his only issue with the protocol.

But I suppose the way he's been alienating people left and right, no one really cares to test him under any circumstances, or even pretend that they would if he'd just quit stalling.

By all means, carry on with the recipe exchange. I think it's a brilliant response strategy.

[jmercer]

Strategy? It's not a strategy, really... it's just that this thread turned into a useful one instead of the garbage being spewed out originally. :D

BTW, got any good recipes you want to share?

[Squidd]

'Fraid not. My best recipe is Hamburger Helper.

[jmercer]

Oh. Well, that's ok. :) You now have access to some of the greatest recipes I've seen in a while. :D

[Squidd]

And I still think it's something of a strategy, or at least was to begin with.

You want to tell me that it was just a coincidence that, when Carey tried to drag this thread back into the light after a few days absence, Vikram decided this would be the perfect place to post a recipe for Swedish meatballs? I think not.

And it was working, too, until I wandered in and actually wanted to discuss the original topic of the thread. Which was incredibly silly of me. The time to talk of Carey has come and gone. Nobody cares what he has to say about anything, and nobody will unless he happens to know some really delicious recipes--and from what I hear of Irish cuisine, that doesn't seem likely.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Squidd
And I still think it's something of a strategy, or at least was to begin with..

Ah! A hypothesis! :)

Originally posted by Squidd

You want to tell me that it was just a coincidence that, when Carey tried to drag this thread back into the light after a few days absence, Vikram decided this would be the perfect place to post a recipe for Swedish meatballs? I think not.


And a nice example of critical thinking, too. :)

Originally posted by Squidd

And it was working, too, until I wandered in and actually wanted to discuss the original topic of the thread. Which was incredibly silly of me. The time to talk of Carey has come and gone. Nobody cares what he has to say about anything, and nobody will unless he happens to know some really delicious recipes--and from what I hear of Irish cuisine, that doesn't seem likely.


Doesn't seem likely to me, either. However, welcome to the James Randi Educational Foundation Food Thread. ;) And since I haven't done so before - welcome to the forums, too!

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by webfusion
Tacos in Norway? Now THAT's paranormal.

Well, if you understand that it's probably not really tacos, but just a small bag of powder you put in the meat as you cook it and then put it into a shell with some stuffing, then it makes more sense already. I don't think there's ever been prepared a meal of real tacos in this country. ;)

Ashles: My condolences for you having a veggie gf. Does she refuse to "eat" all kinds of "meat"? :D

[Ashles]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Ashles: My condolences for you having a veggie gf. Does she refuse to "eat" all kinds of "meat"? :D
Shocked I am. Shocked.

No she eats chicken sometimes.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Ashles
Shocked I am. Shocked.

No she eats chicken sometimes.

Uh... aw, hell. No WAY am I going to write what I'm thinking.
:dl:

[Ashles]

And I'm shocked at you Mr Mercer too.

It's just filthy minds everywhere around here.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Ashles
And I'm shocked at you Mr Mercer too.

It's just filthy minds everywhere around here.

Now, now... it's not my entire mind that's filthy, just my imagination. ;)

[webfusion]

Jmercer, were you going to say, "Hen or Cock?"

Especially for the ladies then, a picture of a really big cock. (http://www.yorkshiresoul.org/cock.jpg)

Cock-a-doodle-doo.

[Powa]

On a related note — something you can put in your mouth: spotted dick (http://freespace.virgin.net/daz.bert/mirror/rudefood/food/dick.htm).

[Ashles]

Similarly:

http://www.penisland.org/

[jmercer]

Well... all I can say is...

:dl:

[Flange Desire]

Originally posted by naughtyrasputin
Hello all,
Just kidding ,

as far as randy and cosmo are concerned .....yank their chains hard enough and you can hear the quackery. The obvious has not yet penetrated their provincial intellects. If anyone can guess the real point before my next post a prize is GUARUANTEED.

Paul Carey.

Relative newbie here with some rhetorical questions.

Why is this discredited fraud (Paul Carey) is still entertained at this forum?
Sure - the forum promotes free speech, but wouldn't you assume that he was too ashamed to show his head around here?
What happened about his earlier threats of legal action when he failed to step up to the line?

This bloke is all talk but no action!
As they say - If it ducks like a quack then it probably is a quack.

[Flange Desire]

Oh I think I get it now - all of the recipies are for feeding the troll - am I right?

Babaganoush ...

Eggplant is fairly big part of the middle eastern diet,
with many different way of preparing it.
I have been told that babganoush translates to something like
"father's favorite".
Enjoy.

Cook a few big eggplants (aubergines) in a medium oven with their skins on for about 20 mins (or micriowave for a short time).
Beware - they can burst!
Allow to cool, then skin, saving all the pulp and liquid.

Beat thouroughly (a food processor is probably best) -
3 parts eggplant
2 parts water
1 part lemon juice
slightly less than 1 part tahine (sesame paste)
a few crushed cloves of garlic
a good dose of salt
some pepper
parsely (optional)

The water is most important for a nice light fluffy texture.
Serve cold with pitta bread or similar.
Not too shabby on top of a nice steak either!

Cheers!

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Flange Desire
As they say - If it ducks like a quack then it probably is a quack.
Hahaha... that's classic, I've never heard that one before :D
That's probably gonna go in my sig.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Flange Desire
Relative newbie here with some rhetorical questions.

As they say - If it ducks like a quack then it probably is a quack.

Nice! :D

And thanks for the recipe - I love eggplant, always looking for new ways to enjoy it. :)

[Blackwell]

Hello all,

New poster here -- I've been lurking for quite some time, content to just cruise the threads from the shadows, but after reading this thread, I can remain silent no longer. All I have to say is this:

Metullus, that Penne recipe farking ROCKS! I'm salivating just reading it; think I'll make it for the wife this weekend.

As far as Irish cuisine, try this. (I know, it's doubtfully an authentic Irish recipe, but hey, it says "Irish" right there in the title, and it has whiskey):

Irish Bread Pudding with Caramel-Whiskey Sauce

Pudding
1/4 cup light butter, melted
1 (10-ounce) French bread baguette,
cut into 1-inch-thick slices
1/2 cup raisins
1/4 cup Irish whiskey
1-3/4 cups 1% low-fat milk
1 cup sugar
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 (12-ounce) can evaporated skim milk
2 large eggs, lightly beaten
Cooking spray
1 tablespoon sugar
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon

Caramel-Whiskey Sauce
1-1/2 cups sugar
2/3 cup water
1/4 cup light butter
2 ounces 1/3-less-fat cream cheese
(Neufchatel) (about 1/4 cup)
1/4 cup Irish whiskey
1/4 cup 1% low-fat milk

Preheat oven to 350 degrees.

Brush melted butter on one side of French bread slices. Place bread, buttered sides up, on a baking sheet. Bake bread at 350 degrees for 10 minutes or until lightly toasted. Cut bread into 1/2-inch cubes, and set aside.

Combine raisins and whiskey in a small bowl. Cover and let stand 10 minutes or until soft (do not drain).

Combine 1% milk and next 4 ingredients,(1% milk through eggs), in a large bowl Stir well with a whisk. Add bread cubes and raisin mixture, pressing gently to moisten. Let stand 15 minutes

Spoon bread mixture into a 13 x 9-inch baking dish coated with cooking spray.

Combine 1 tablespoon sugar and cinnamon. Sprinkle over pudding.

Bake at 350 degrees for 35 minutes or until set.

Serve warm with Caramel-Whiskey Sauce.

Note: Substitute 1/4 cup apple juice for the Irish whiskey, if desired.

For Caramel-Whiskey Sauce
Combine sugar and water in a small heavy saucepan over medium-high heat. Cook until sugar dissolves, stirring constantly. Cook an additional 15 minutes or until golden (do not stir). Remove from heat. Carefully add butter and cream cheese. Stir constantly with a whisk (mixture will be hot and bubble vigorously). Cool slightly, and stir in whiskey and milk.

[jmercer]

Argh! Blackwell! How cruel is fate... I just went on the South Beach diet, and now you post this most delic... er... EVIL... temptation! ;)

Thanks - I'll keep it for special occasions... gotta cheat sometime, and when I do, I want to do it in style! :D

[Placebo]

The South Beach diet? What's that involve?

It's not like the seafood diet is it? (see food + eat it...)

I'm getting way to chubby now, need to consider options for losing weight :/
Although I know diets are usually a bit dodgy

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Placebo
The South Beach diet? What's that involve?

It's not like the seafood diet is it? (see food + eat it...)

I'm getting way to chubby now, need to consider options for losing weight :/
Although I know diets are usually a bit dodgy

Only way to lose weight..

Burn more calories than you consume..

This can be accomplished with any ' diet ' plan..


P.S. Just ' google ' for ' south beach '.. I believe it is a low carb plan, similar to ' Adkins '...

[jmercer]

It's similar to Atkins (Which I did a year ago, more on that later), but it's a lot less restrictive than Atkins.

Basically, both want you to cut out simple carbohydrates. (Anyone telling you these are protein-only diets is yanking your chain.)

The idea is simple; simple carbs are easily transformed into blood sugar, so simple carbs are the first things that your body digests. Anything more difficult to digest comes later, and - since your blood sugar is now peaking - is stored as fat.

The other principle is that too much in the way of simple carbs also spikes your blood sugar, so remaining simple carbs become fat as well.

Hunger is generated by a drop in blood sugar... so another problem is that while simple carbs (white bread, sugar, starch, etc.) spike the blood sugar quickly, that spike will turn into a "sag" at some point... making you hungry again. Eventually, people grab something starchy or sweet to "kill the hunger"... which only reinforces and deepens the cycle. This results in stronger and more frequent cravings for simple carbs. Effectively, people become addicted to sugar and starch. (Candy bars, potato chips - just about all junk food.)

Here's the worst part - people addicted and in this cycle are continually flooding their systems with sugar, and this, in turn, can led to insulin issues... their bodies simply stop producing enough insulin, which results in pre-diabetic or even full-blow diabetic conditions.

Both the Atkins and South Beach diets are designed to break that cycle and replace it with healthy foods that maintain a much more steady level of blood sugar. This prevents the spike/sag cycle, prevents insulin issues, and controls hunger and cravings completely.

Atkins is based on counting carbohydrates, and on type of carbohydrates. There are "good" carbs and "bad" carbs. "Good" carbs digest slowly; "bad" carbs don't. (Good carbs are essentially complex carbohydrates that your body has to work to break down into sugar; bad carbs are simple carbohydrates.)

South Beach takes a similar approach to carbs, except rather than counting "carbs", this diet uses a "glycemic index" to determine the impact that food has on your blood sugar. The higher the number on the index, the faster (and greater) the impact on your blood sugar.

Both diets provide comprehensive listings of foods and their various index ratings, and both diets require you to go on a HIGHLY restrictive diet for the first two weeks. (Minimum.)

Atkins, however, wants you to avoid fruits (due to fructose) and permits fats, such as real butter, whole milk, regular bacon, etc. South Beach permits you to eat fruits and other "no-no's" for the Atkins diet, but doesn't want you eating fatty foods, like butter or regular bacon, etc.

I did the Atkins diet a year ago, as I said - and I went from 262 lbs down to 221 over a period of 7 months. (Seven pounds the first week - 11 pounds total the first two weeks.) My triglicerides (sp?) dropped from 300+ to 47; my overall cholesterol only dropped about 10 points - BUT - the ratio of "good" to "bad" cholesterol improved to the point where my doctor was smiling and congratulating me. :)

Then, I simply lost it after seven months... the diet became too boring and restrictive. I found myself over-eating low-carb stuff because I missed variety, and then I started eating all the bad stuff again. I eventually bounced back up to 249.

I just started the South Beach Diet on Sunday, and I lost 8 1/2 lbs in 4 days. We'll see where I am at the end of two weeks. :) From what I'm permitted to eat, I don't think I'll have as much problems with the SB diet as I did with Atkins... and there's no doubt in my mind at all that the South Beach diet is much more "heart-friendly" than the Atkins diet over the long term. (It appears to also be easier to "get back on the wagon" with if you fall off.)

Fair warning, though - both diets will raise the cost of your food expenses. Why? Because the cheapest foods out there (Bread, cereal, etc.) are exactly the ones you need to stop eating. And the emhasis in both diets is for FRESH food, especially veggies. While you'll find yourself eating less, you'll also find yourself buying more expensive foods simply because of the quality involved.

Also, if you decide to try one of these diets - BUY the book, READ the book, KEEP the book. It's critical to do so, it really is - aside from the reinforcement the book provides, you'd be surprised how often you end up going "Gee, what was that he said about this stuff?" ;)

Just figured I'd put this out there for those who are interested. :)

[Metullus]

So, Mr. Mercer, where exactly does your fudge recipe come in to play in this new regimen of yours?

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Metullus
So, Mr. Mercer, where exactly does your fudge recipe come in to play in this new regimen of yours?

Oh... well... as to that... er... yes... well... ahem... ah... Can I get back to you on that? ;)

[Placebo]

That was a great explanation, jmercer, thanks ;)
In a week or so I'm going to seriously consider the South Beach diet

[naughtyrasputin]

Hello all,
Keep the gibberish coming .... the ingredient you all seem to be leaving out is "history" I am building up an interesting case file on the behaviour of cult members.... No response to my prize offer?!

History will say jref refused to test me.

Thanks for your continued interest and keeping me in the top two.


Paul Carey.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Placebo
That was a great explanation, jmercer, thanks ;)
In a week or so I'm going to seriously consider the South Beach diet

My pleasure, and good luck! (p.s. - those first two weeks are difficult, but keep on it. :))

[webfusion]

Jmercer, where I live, in Israel, the 'South Beach' diet could be construed to refer to the incredible edibles offered on the beaches of Eilat (and as far as the Southern Beaches at Sharm El-Sheikh in Sinai):

Falafel.
http://www.ziyad.com/recipes/images/Falafel.JPG


(((( edited to add: recipe - http://www.ziyad.com/recipes/falafel_recipe.htm )))))))

[Metullus]

Originally posted by webfusion
Jmercer, where I live, in Israel, the 'South Beach' diet could be construed to refer to the incredible edibles offered on the beaches of Eilat (and as far as the Southern Beaches at Sharm El-Sheikh in Sinai):

Falafel.
http://www.ziyad.com/recipes/images/Falafel.JPG


(((( edited to add: recipe - http://www.ziyad.com/recipes/falafel_recipe.htm )))))))
Damn, webfusion - I had you figured for Detroit!

So much for my psychotic abilities! :)

[Powa]

Originally posted by Metullus
So much for my psychotic abilities! :)
Psychotic? :D

Hm... If JREF offered $1 Million for psychotic abilities the money would be long gone.

[Moose]

Mmm. Webfusion. That looks really good. I might have to see if I can track down a decent restauraunt that does falafels in my neck of the woods.

[Metullus]

Originally posted by Powa
Psychotic? :D

Hm... If JREF offered $1 Million for psychotic abilities the money would be long gone.
You don't think I'm so crazy as to think I have psychic abilities, do you?

[Powa]

Originally posted by Metullus
You don't think I'm so crazy as to think I have psychic abilities, do you?
Well if you thought that, you'd probably have psychotic abilities.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by webfusion
Jmercer, where I live, in Israel, the 'South Beach' diet could be construed to refer to the incredible edibles offered on the beaches of Eilat (and as far as the Southern Beaches at Sharm El-Sheikh in Sinai):

Falafel.
http://www.ziyad.com/recipes/images/Falafel.JPG


(((( edited to add: recipe - http://www.ziyad.com/recipes/falafel_recipe.htm )))))))

Wow, Webby - that's enough to make me want to put it on my next vacation visit list! :)

[webfusion]

It's a bit off the beaten path, but if you are a certified scuba diver, visiting the beaches off the Sinai coast is a trip worth taking! They are among the best coral reefs on Earth.
http://www.mcsuk.org/images/dendrocw.gif

[jmercer]

Wow - I had no idea! Last place I snorkled was off of Black Rock in Maui, Hawaii... I've done some stuff off of St. Johns and a number of other Virgin Island locations, too, but I had NO clue that there was anything like that in your area.

Thanks!

[webfusion]

Yep, as part of an overall sightseeing trip to the State of Israel, a two-day snorkelling/diving expedition to Dahab (Egypt) is well worth the border-crossing at Taba. I wouldn't drive all the way to Sharm el_sheikh if I were you, it's a brutal desert journey (best thing is to fly in). Of course, while you are there, you can take a day-trip to the Monastary of Santa Catherina, which sits on the slopes of the mountain that tradition holds Moses ascended to receive the Torah (Laws) aka Ten Commandments. Of course, being tried-and-true skeptics, we find the entire story and the location itself are questionable in veracity, but nevertheless it's a wonderful experience to climb that isolated and beautiful mountain!

google 'Red Sea dahab" and "santa catherina"

[jmercer]

Thanks for the tips! :) However, I think I'll wait until the region calms down a bit first. No sense in tempting fate these days... :(

[webfusion]

Now hold on there, buckaroo.

"Tempting fate"? Where is that famous jmercer skeptical attitude about there not being any particular external force that can be called "fate" ?

People go on vacation to Eilat routinely.
This is Passover week, and you can't even obtain a hotel or guest-house room there. The entire city is filled to capacity.
Same with the Egyptian Sinai coastal resorts.
Everyone is having a great time & I wish I was there!

http://www.totallyjewishtravel.com/features/?disp_feature=PNSE7S

If you intend to wait until the entire MidEast becomes as calm and tranquil as Canada (for instance), then you'll grow old and grey before it happens, IMHO.

[Blackwell]

Originally posted by jmercer
Argh! Blackwell! How cruel is fate... I just went on the South Beach diet, and now you post this most delic... er... EVIL... temptation! ;)

Thanks - I'll keep it for special occasions... gotta cheat sometime, and when I do, I want to do it in style! :D

Jmercer,
Quintuple the amount of whiskey called for in the sauce, and I GUARANTEE you will forget all about South Beach...

[jmercer]

Originally posted by webfusion
Now hold on there, buckaroo.

"Tempting fate"? Where is that famous jmercer skeptical attitude about there not being any particular external force that can be called "fate" ?

People go on vacation to Eilat routinely.
This is Passover week, and you can't even obtain a hotel or guest-house room there. The entire city is filled to capacity.
Same with the Egyptian Sinai coastal resorts.
Everyone is having a great time & I wish I was there!

http://www.totallyjewishtravel.com/features/?disp_feature=PNSE7S

If you intend to wait until the entire MidEast becomes as calm and tranquil as Canada (for instance), then you'll grow old and grey before it happens, IMHO.

Hehe... good point. "Tempting fate" is a lot shorter than saying "The perversity of the universe tends to the maximum", though. Heck, amigo, just because I can cite Murphy's Law doesn't mean I believe there's an imp of perversity out there, just waiting to jump at the chance at humiliating me... (sure FEELS like it sometimes, though! ;))

I won't wait all that long, but I'd prefer not to travel in regions where active wars and insurrections are taking place - especially when one of the participants is my own nation. :D

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Blackwell
Jmercer,
Quintuple the amount of whiskey called for in the sauce, and I GUARANTEE you will forget all about South Beach...

:D

I'll bet you're right about that! Actually, it's not the whiskey that's the problem. Both the South Beach and Atkins diets don't have any problem with alcholol, because it doesn't jump up your blood sugar. :)

Beer - which I love - is most definitely a "no-no", sadly... :( Nor can I indulge in any of the sweet stuff like amaretto or anisette because of the sugar content. But I can drink any hard liquor I like, or red wine. :D

[KRAMER]

How do I maintain my fine physical condition?

I use the Terry Schiavo Diet:

Just stop eating and drinking for a week or two once every 6 or 7 years.

Well? Do I win the Million Dollar Bad Taste Challenge, or what?

[jmercer]

Yep, you win... that beats the "Nuke the Unborn Gay Baby Whales for Jesus" tee-shirt entry! :D

However, it's not a million dollars... it's a million yen. Payable only in person at the National Bank of the People in Beijing - you have to supply your own transport and related costs, btw. ;)

[rwguinn]

Originally posted by jmercer
:D

I'll bet you're right about that! Actually, it's not the whiskey that's the problem. Both the South Beach and Atkins diets don't have any problem with alcholol, because it doesn't jump up your blood sugar. :)

Beer - which I love - is most definitely a "no-no", sadly... :( Nor can I indulge in any of the sweet stuff like amaretto or anisette because of the sugar content. But I can drink any hard liquor I like, or red wine. :D

Just remember the Larry Niven (or is it Gord Dickson?)
"life is too short for cheap calories"
IF yer gonna indulge, indulge

[Hawk one]

By the way, did you guys know I'm one of those people that can eat anything I want and not gain any weight? :D

**runs and hides in a bunker designed to withstand everything up and including a direct nuclear attack**

[Powa]

Originally posted by Hawk one
By the way, did you guys know I'm one of those people that can eat anything I want and not gain any weight? :D

**runs and hides in a bunker designed to withstand everything up and including a direct nuclear attack**
C'mere! C'MERE you sumbitch! :a2: Ghah!!!

Hide in a bunker all you want. We'll destroy you with our psyho... er... I mean psychic powers. Bwahahaha!

[jmercer]

Oh, I can fix that, Hawk... want a good fudge recipe? :bgrin:

[Hawk one]

jmercer: Actually, I've never been that much of a fudge eater. But I can't talk now, there's a bag of chips that are calling for me. And I shall go and eat it without putting on anything. :p

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Hawk one
jmercer: Actually, I've never been that much of a fudge eater. But I can't talk now, there's a bag of chips that are calling for me. And I shall go and eat it without putting on anything. :p

Egads! You're going to eat those chips nude? Where will the crumbs go?

:dl:

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
Egads! You're going to eat those chips nude? Where will the crumbs go?

:dl:

Thanks, J. That's an image I really need today.

[jmercer]

Sorry... but consider yourself lucky. I had to C&P info about mayday's alleged sex life... :eek:
:jaw:

(edited to get the rule(8) smiley in the right spot...)

[Metullus]

Originally posted by jmercer
Sorry... but consider yourself lucky. I had to C&P info about mayday's alleged sex life... :eek:
:jaw:

(edited to get the rule(8) smiley in the right spot...)
Another image I don't need today. My condolences.

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by Hawk one
By the way, did you guys know I'm one of those people that can eat anything I want and not gain any weight? :D

**runs and hides in a bunker designed to withstand everything up and including a direct nuclear attack**

I used to be like that about a year or two ago. 5'3.5", 100lbs. Then I started exercising for a few months.

Now I'm 135. (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_275c.html)

http://www.med.sc.edu:1060/images/BMI%20CHART.gif

[jmercer]

Yeah, but I'll bet money that those 35 pounds are dense muscle. :)

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by jmercer
Egads! You're going to eat those chips nude? Where will the crumbs go?

Considering I had already put on clothes prior to the post, my statement still stands with any form of interpretation that's not a total non sequitur, yet I'm not eating chips in the nude.

Ashles was right, you really do have a dirty mind.

LostAngeles: Could you bring a chart in a proper scale, please? The outdated imperial system is a joke compared to the beautiful and logical metric system. Even the Brits have started the process of abolishing it, you know! :p

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by jmercer
Yeah, but I'll bet money that those 35 pounds are dense muscle. :)

Ah, but only in the girl guns and the calves. The rest is distrubted about my belly and thighs. Your reasoning is sound since muscle weighs more than fat.

And since I can't afford to buy more new pants (20 of these pounds were gained by moving to L.A.), I've opted to just do situps until the fall semester when I will be taking a phys ed class.

Hawk One: I believe no one's informed you that "America! F*** Yeah!" and that converting would mean doing math that involves actual numbers instead of letters. Don't you know how hard that is?

(161.29 cm; 61.3kg)

http://www.thinkmetric.co.uk/bmichart.gif