The OFFICIAL Derek Acorah Forum [Archive]

JPK

19th February 2005, 04:14 PM

Good evening.

Well I just spent about an hour browsing through that forum. It has a topic for just about every new age type belief you can think of, and as you would suspect from the title of the forum, it is a fan site for Derek Acorah. The few posts I read that were somewhat skeptical of Derek's abilities, where dissmissed with a quick, "I have proof, personal experience", or "thousands of followers can't wrong" or "you can't prove he doesn't have the gift" On one thread there seemed to be the belief that the forum crashed and the thread dissapeared because of someone skeptical posting there. I could be wrong about that, but that is what the posts seemed to indicate.
Mainly a fanclub for the Derek and the paranormal in general. Perhaps a good example of how one type of belief can lead to another. Funny how they seem to get lumped into one place like that. I'm really trying to understand that.
The topic list looks like the episode guide to P&T's B@lllSh@t.
JPK

Janice

20th February 2005, 09:21 AM

Derek Acorah is a brilliant, talented and gifted medium, who does a lot of good work, especially for charity.

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Derek Acorah is a brilliant, talented and gifted medium, who does a lot of good work, especially for charity.

Really?

http://www.jonscelebworld.com/BadPsychics/PsychicFraud/PsychicFraud-DerekAcorah.html

http://www.jonscelebworld.com/BadPsychics/PsychicMistakes/PsychicMistakes-DerekAcorah.html

I like this one:
Acorah was 'possessed' by the spirit of a shrunken head, named Lanu, from Guinea. He even managed some words in Lanu's native tongue, which have not yet been fully identified. Taking all the countries with Guinea in their name, there are almost 2,000 languages covering three continents, so it might take some time ...

FACT
The shrunken head came from Ecuador in South America, where they speak either Spanish or Quecha

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Derek Acorah is a brilliant, talented and gifted medium, who does a lot of good work, especially for charity.
Doesnt make him any less of a fraud? Mediums who do work for charity are only doing it out of guilt for all the people they rip off with fake readings!

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Doesnt make him any less of a fraud? Mediums who do work for charity are only doing it out of guilt for all the people they rip off with fake readings!
They can also use work for charity to enhance their image as a "good person", thus making them look more honest. Who, but good people are honest?
I think the real honest, good people do charity for the sake of giving and NOT being publicly recognized for it, or capitolizing on exposure of giving.

geni

20th February 2005, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Derek Acorah is a brilliant, talented and gifted medium, who does a lot of good work, especially for charity.

Even belivers think you are wrong

http://www.thesupernaturalworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=6194&hl=

Odin

20th February 2005, 10:39 AM

Has anyone else noticed the large number of Derek Acorah avatars on the forum?

geni

20th February 2005, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Odin
Has anyone else noticed the large number of Derek Acorah avatars on the forum?

Yeah. Notice the slight shortage of randi avantars here.

Janice

20th February 2005, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by geni
Well they haven't banned me yet although I have been warned.

Why exactly are you posting on there? Just to stir up trouble? If we post our beliefs on here, or try to debate in a polite manner we are just accused of being trolls and woos.

geni

20th February 2005, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Why exactly are you posting on there?

For the debate

Just to stir up trouble?

no

If we post our beliefs on here, or try to debate in a polite manner we are just accused of being trolls and woos. [/B]

Can you show where I have done this?

You note that I get accused of being "rude, arrogant, belligerant, over opinionated, and disrespectful"

geni

20th February 2005, 10:53 AM

Yep I've been banned for nothing more than polite reasonable debate. Would anyone mind telling me what was said?

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Janice
[B]Derek Acorah is a brilliant, talented and gifted medium.....snip...[B]
Of course you have evidence to support this dont you?

Janice

20th February 2005, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Of course you have evidence to support this dont you?

What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?

geni

20th February 2005, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Janice
What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?

Well in his case the link I already gave you:

http://www.thesupernaturalworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=6194

Janice

20th February 2005, 11:28 AM

Geni - you have to be a member to access the thread.

geni

20th February 2005, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Geni - you have to be a member to access the thread.

Ok then try this link

http://www.thesupernaturalworld.co.uk/index.php?code=02&file=derek_acorah.php&title=Derek%20Acorah%20/%20Simon%20Peters%20Scandal!&cat=submitted_articles

Janice

20th February 2005, 11:39 AM

Geni - I saw this article a couple of weeks ago, Phenomenon is the Administrator for the Skeptics corner of the website (just joined), I am sure that there are other articles on this part of the forum about the other well known mediums.

JPK

20th February 2005, 11:42 AM

Good morning.

Geni, what threads were you posting in?

JPK

geni

20th February 2005, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Geni - I saw this article a couple of weeks ago, Phenomenon is the Administrator for the Skeptics corner of the website (just joined), I am sure that there are other articles on this part of the forum about the other well known mediums.

Phenomenonis the admin of the whole forum and owns the site. Your comments above do not adress the critisms (and I have others once you have read that).

geni

20th February 2005, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by JPK
Good morning.

Geni, what threads were you posting in?

JPK

Forum:mediumship

thread:do mediums give enough evidence?

Gr8wight

20th February 2005, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Janice
If we post our beliefs on here, or try to debate in a polite manner we are just accused of being trolls and woos.

That is true, but you haven't been banned. You are free to express your opinion here. That does not seem to be the case there.

Janice

20th February 2005, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Gr8wight
That is true, but you haven't been banned. You are free to express your opinion here. That does not seem to be the case there.

I may be free to express my opinion here, but in order to do so, I have been subjected to ridicule and name calling of every kind. Forums are all run in different ways, some have a more tighter control on the postings than others. On this forum, people can say whatever they like within reason. I have seen many posts where people have sworn, and not one of them has been deleted.

geni

20th February 2005, 12:12 PM

andycal

20th February 2005, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Janice
I may be free to express my opinion here, but in order to do so, I have been subjected to ridicule and name calling of every kind.

But can you blame people? It gets really, really boring sometimes. I mean, all a skeptic wants is some proof. Real proof.

Y'know the stuff, the stuff that can't be refuted. The stuff that will make a skeptic say "Wow - it really does work". And, just to make the deal tasty, Mr.Randi has set up this thing where he says "Tell you what, prove it and I'll give you a million greenbacks". Heck, he even bends over backwards to fit in with some of the more complex requests of potential claimants (i.e. Silvia Browne).

And yet, no one has won it. No one has proved, ever, that any of these claims are real.

On a forum I run, I was patronised and insulted for daring to question someones belief in Reiki and Homeopathy. I was quite taken aback by the anger and vitriol of the guy. So, I bit back by giving links to court cases, TV tests, medical records etc.etc. lots of the stuff and I asked that if they disagreed, they should give me just one good reason to belive them. Just one bit of proof.

In the end, the 'woo' as I will now call him said "I don't want to be a part of the discussion any more".

So we have a problem here. As a beliver you *have* to take what you see on faith that it works. You must, because there is no empirical evidence to back up your beliefs. There is no more evidence backing up mediums as there is prooving Santa Clause exists.

Therefore, imagine for a second that you are walking down the street on December the 1st and a 30 year old friend says she is all excited because Santa will be coming soon. Imagine she *really* believes that Santa will be here on the 25th and bring her gifts.

What would *you* think?

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Janice
I may be free to express my opinion here, but in order to do so, I have been subjected to ridicule and name calling of every kind. Forums are all run in different ways, some have a more tighter control on the postings than others. On this forum, people can say whatever they like within reason.

Have you been banned from this forum for saying what you like? NO
Have people been banned from believer forums for saying what they like? YES
Have you been banned from this forum for freely expressing your opinion? NO
Have people been banned from believer forums for freely expressing their opinion? YES

Who are the narrow-minded ones, Skeptics or Believers?

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Janice
Geni - I saw this article a couple of weeks ago, Phenomenon is the Administrator for the Skeptics corner of the website (just joined), I am sure that there are other articles on this part of the forum about the other well known mediums.
What has that got to do with anything?? We're addressing Derek Acorah, can you offer any comment on the articles mentioned about Derek Acorah SPECIFICALLY? I sincerely hope you were not trying to send this topic off on another tangent to wiggle out of answering the SPECIFIC Derek Acorah articles?!!

Janice

20th February 2005, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Chocolate Chip
Have you been banned from this forum for saying what you like? NO
Have people been banned from believer forums for saying what they like? YES
Have you been banned from this forum for freely expressing your opinion? NO
Have people been banned from believer forums for freely expressing their opinion? YES

Who are the narrow-minded ones, Skeptics or Believers?

That is a matter of personal opinion, the reason Gene was probably banned was to avoid situations and postings of this nature, experienced on here. I have posted with many polite people on this forum, and I have always respected their beliefs / points of view, but its the same old crown who jump on the bandwaggon every time, a new person joins claiming they have experienced the afterlife, i.e. myself for one. I appreciate that you probably do get tired of people joining, and claiming this, but as I have said the evidence I have experienced is not tangible, all I have is a tape recording of a reading, and what I have seen and sensed, so it is not going to be sufficient to present to people on here as physical evidence.

Janice

20th February 2005, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Chocolate Chip
What has that got to do with anything?? We're addressing Derek Acorah, can you offer any comment on the articles mentioned about Derek Acorah SPECIFICALLY? I sincerely hope you were not trying to send this topic off on another tangent to wiggle out of answering the SPECIFIC Derek Acorah articles?!!

Choc Chip - you really are barking up the wrong tree here, I am a big admirer of Derek's work. I think the guy who wrote the article, has no conclusive evidence to his claims, I have also read other postings from this individual that in not so many words retract these, and reflect a completely different tone to the one on the thread posted by Gene concerning this matter. So as you so politely put it I am not trying to send this topic off on another tangent to wiggle out of answering the SPECIFIC Derek Acorah articles

Working in the public eye you are always going to be subjected to criticism especially in mediumship, you can either let it affect you and crumble, or take it on the chin and move on.

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Janice *snip.... all I have is a tape recording of a reading, and what I have seen and sensed, so it is not going to be sufficient to present to people on here as physical evidence.

..and the mediums name which you wont post.If you did it is very likely that the quote above would be pointless,because the medium-you would discover-is a fraud! So you go on evading the point,in some vain hope we'll all forget.Name the medium Janice,and get in the real world..or leave the forum as you said you were doing way back....;)

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Janice I think the guy who wrote the article, has no conclusive evidence to his claims

Kettle calling pot black!:D

geni

20th February 2005, 01:44 PM

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Janice
That is a matter of personal opinion, the reason Gene was probably banned was to avoid situations and postings of this nature, experienced on here. I have posted with many polite people on this forum, and I have always respected their beliefs / points of view, but its the same old crown who jump on the bandwaggon every time, a new person joins claiming they have experienced the afterlife, i.e. myself for one.
Even if it does get a bit hairy at times on this board, you are pretty much able to say what you think and express your opinion. As are the people who disagree with you. Nobody has been banned for disagreeing or for having a contrary opinion. It seems that is NOT the case on the believer forums. It seems like a "tow the line or you're out" kind of attitude. How would you like to live in a country with a government that has that kind of attitude?
I don't think that people get upset when new believers begin posting here. I've noticed that when believers post but can't back up their claims with evidence, then that's when things may turn sour, you are posting on a SKEPTIC FORUM, what do you expect but to be asked for proof? When asked for evidence, and none can be presented, at least admit that you can't present any, instead, the same old chestnut,"Well prove that it isn't true" surfaces, or no replies from questions, or openly vague statements that can be interpreted in different ways. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, but I think you will never be THROWN out of the kitchen, like in other forums.
Janice you may complain about others jumping on the bandwagon, but you also have acted pretty childishly on this forum as well. I know I've asked you some pretty clear questions in other threads, yet to see a response, but hey, that's YOUR problem, not mine.

Anyways, any response to the article concerning DEREK ACORAH that Geni cited from the Acorah forum?

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 01:59 PM

Nothing wrong there genii.You were a lot more polite than I would have been.Whose the admin on there? Stevie Wonder?;)

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 02:00 PM

Choc Chip - you really are barking up the wrong tree here, I am a big admirer of Derek's work. I think the guy who wrote the article, has no conclusive evidence to his claims, I have also read other postings from this individual that in not so many words retract these, and reflect a completely different tone to the one on the thread posted by Gene concerning this matter. So as you so politely put it I am not trying to send this topic off on another tangent to wiggle out of answering the SPECIFIC Derek Acorah articles

Please provide a link to these supposed retractions (in not so many words). That tells me something, you may be reading things in this guys statement that were not there. Let's see what he said.

RamblingOnwards

20th February 2005, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Janice
I have posted with many polite people on this forum, and I have always respected their beliefs / points of view,

Personally, I'd like some evidence of this, because I've seen no sign of it.

I'm always confused by this strange use of the term 'respect your beliefs'. What does it mean? 'I think you're a nice person, even though you're deluded?' Because by definition, it can't mean they think the other person's belief's are just as valid as their own. I mean:

A: "The capital of Switzerland is Zurich."

Me: "Actually, that's a common mistake. It's the largest city, but the political capital is Bern."

A: "Well, I still think it's Zurich, but I respect your point of view."

Me: "No you don't. If you 'respected my beliefs' you'd agree that I was right. If you continuing to hold your belief, then you are telling me that I'm wrong. You are furthermore doing so without giving me more information so that I can either a) see that you are in fact correct, or b) correcting your further mistake."

I hate this type of pseudo-politeness.

Janice

20th February 2005, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Azrael 5
Originally posted by Janice

Kettle calling pot black!:D

Azrael, wherever I post you pop up! How nice of you! I have answered your demands, and I am not going to repeat myself, with regard to the evidence, I have discussed this a couple of posts above. As I said to Dr. A. you also seem to have a lot of built up anger inside, sounds like you need to go out and have a good laugh, and chill out a bit.:)

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 02:08 PM

Here is another article about good ol' Derek Bad Psychic (http://www.badpsychics.co.uk/) Go to Editorial section and amongst various articles is one titled "A Disturbing Derek Acorah show";)

Edited to add Take note Janice this woman posted her experiences and details of reading!;)

Janice

20th February 2005, 02:21 PM

Azrael, I have already seen this post, as I said you are barking up the wrong tree. When MH Live is shown on living the average viewing numbers are 8-9m possibly more, so we are really not going to let a couple of articles on sceptics websites, change our opinions.:)

geni

20th February 2005, 02:23 PM

RamblingOnwards

20th February 2005, 02:23 PM

Odin

20th February 2005, 02:54 PM

It looks like they banned me. :D
I've only seen Derek Acorah on antiques Ghost show. It was extremely funny, on the episodes i've seen I can't remember him saying anything that could not be guessed from the object.

geni

20th February 2005, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Odin
It looks like they banned me. :D

What did you post?

Janice

20th February 2005, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by RamblingOnwards
"We've all made up our minds, don't try to confuse us with the facts"?

What facts? You may read everything you believe, but I do not. Personally, I go by experiences, this does not make me delusional, more along the lines of a critical thinker. I do not believe everything I hear or read, and I do not impose my views on others, I am interested in what others have to say. Although, I believe in the afterlife, it does not make my beliefs 100% accurate, as I said I go on my experiences, which I think is a far more healthier approach, than to deny something which most people believe in.

I shall use that old ClichÃ© - What evidence do you have to support your claims?.

Chocolate Chip

20th February 2005, 03:11 PM

Janice:
:Choc Chip - you really are barking up the wrong tree here, I am a big admirer of Derek's work. I think the guy who wrote the article, has no conclusive evidence to his claims, I have also read other postings from this individual that in not so many words retract these, and reflect a completely different tone to the one on the thread posted by Gene concerning this matter. So as you so politely put it I am not trying to send this topic off on another tangent to wiggle out of answering the SPECIFIC Derek Acorah articles

JANICE:
Please provide a link to these supposed retractions (in not so many words). That tells me something, you may be reading things in this guys statement that were not there. Let's see what he said.

2nd time asked

Geni, you got booted by Elmo ??!!! :D

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Janice
...snip...which I think is a far more healthier approach, than to deny something which most people believe in.

Millions of kids believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy,does that mean they exsist? Janice you ARE delusional,like it or not.You protect the identity of a medium,just because they gave you a reading-you believed to be accurate.The fact it was just cold reading and you were conned,appears to be acceptable beahaviour in your eyes. :D
Edited to add Hmmm I wonder if we are a little nearer to discovering this medium..on this very thread??

Darat

20th February 2005, 03:52 PM

RamblingOnwards

20th February 2005, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Janice
What facts? You may read everything you believe, but I do not. Personally, I go by experiences, this does not make me delusional, more along the lines of a critical thinker.

I do indeed try to read everything I believe. I am aware of the fact that my mind is limited, and my perceptions even more so. I am aware of the tricks my memory plays on me, the psychological impact the situation can have on my interpretations, and the ease at which a trained person can fool me. I don't confuse the things can't be proven with the things that could be proven, but have not. I outgrew the arrogance that assumes that I know better than an expert in his or her own field about things that are not open to human interpretation. I know that my personal experiences are going to be clouded by my hopes, dreams and fears, and I am not ashamed to admit when I've deliberately lied to myself because a deeper part of me wanted it to be true - whether it was my speaking-in-tongues incidents as a teenager, or about what my fiancÃ© said in our last argument. I know and accept that I am fallible, and I try to act accordingly. It is a more challenging way to live, but not one I would term unhealthy.

I do not impose my views on others,

Of course you don't impose it on us. You can't. The sentiment is about as meaningful as 'I do not commit mass genocide'. It's nice to know, I guess, but what makes you feel you need to reassure us to this fact?

Although, I believe in the afterlife, it does not make my beliefs 100% accurate,

There is a large step between the after life (something that cannot be tested), and a belief in mediums (that could easily be tested, but have never been shown to be true). Since none of us have argued that the after life in and of itself has been tested and found wanting, putting it this way is a little disingenuous.

which I think is a far more healthier approach, than to deny something which most people believe in.

Why do you feel you need the reassurance of others to support your beliefs? If you are relying on your own personal experience as the only valid evidence, would it matter if you experienced something that no one else on earth experienced?

I shall use that old ClichÃ© - What evidence do you have to support your claims?.

What, exactly, do you find lacking in the evidence provided in this thread that mediums have on at least some occasions used both hot and cold readings? More significantly, why do you think that 8-9 million people watching the show is enough support that you do need even need to look at the evidence to know that it cannot be true?

delphi_ote

20th February 2005, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Janice
Azrael, wherever I post you pop up! How nice of you! I have answered your demands, and I am not going to repeat myself, with regard to the evidence, I have discussed this a couple of posts above. As I said to Dr. A. you also seem to have a lot of built up anger inside, sounds like you need to go out and have a good laugh, and chill out a bit.:)

Azrael post is second reply to thread... yours is 5th. Clearly he's following you.

Azrael 5

20th February 2005, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Darat
8-9 million for a digital channel? Are you sure? Can you provide a source for the figure?

I havent found any official figures but heres some blurb on ad for a tour date'Most Haunted' saw Derek investigating haunted properties. The show was so successful, Living TV used Derek for a live 3.5 hour broadcast on Halloween, where he had viewing figures in excess of 1.4 million. A second series of 'Most Haunted' aired in April last year, shortly followed by 'The Antiques Ghost Show'.
So thats 1.4 million for 3 and half hours on Halloween Which you would expect to have a fair quota of non fans watching! Only 7 mill short!:D

The Mighty Thor

20th February 2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by delphi_ote
Azrael post is second reply to thread... yours is 5th. Clearly he's following you.

Yep. That is another old "Clancie" trick. Janice thinks she is being stalked -- if so, it must be by just about every sceptic on the forum, i.e. everyone who disagrees with her.

You know what is VERY predictable?

The antics of believers when they come here.

Odin

20th February 2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by geni
What did you post?

I pretended to be psychic, but was too obviously fake. They didn't find it funny I think.

SRW

20th February 2005, 05:48 PM

http://www.derekacorah.org/invest30.jpg

I have never heard of Derek Acorah before so I was browsing his site and came across this pic. When did the IRSP take the
JREF challange?

from here (http://www.derekacorah.org/investigations.html)

andycal

21st February 2005, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Janice
Azrael, I have already seen this post, as I said you are barking up the wrong tree. When MH Live is shown on living the average viewing numbers are 8-9m possibly more, so we are really not going to let a couple of articles on sceptics websites, change our opinions.:)

BBC Website:

In the October to December period, Sky's digital subscriber base rose to 7.6 million...

Cable subscribers are about 2.5 million (Offcom figures).

So, ninety-odd percent of all those who can get Living are watching Most Haunted? Are you completely crackers?

Janice, if you'd like to provide the tape of the medium that you believe is so good, we can go to town on that too. You are delusional and you believe in things that don't exist.

What do you have to gain from being so wrong? Why are you defending Derek?

Janice

21st February 2005, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by Darat
8-9 million for a digital channel? Are you sure? Can you provide a source for the figure?

Hi Darat - apologies, I just checked and it said there were 2million viewers for the last MH live back in December 04. I think I may have got the figure with the number of website hits, but I will check.

I am sure this will give them something to further go on about, but as I have said, I do believe in the work Derek does, and am a big fan of the programme.

Nothing more to say on this subject.:)

andycal

21st February 2005, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Janice

Nothing more to say on this subject.:)

And this is another reason skeptics get totally and utterly hacked off with the woo movement. The argument continues up to a point where the believer runs out of steam and we get "I've nothing more to say".

You take your ball away because you don't want to play anymore.

If you've really believe and you've got real evidence and you can back it up, then why not present it?

If you don't have evidence and it's just a belief then don't present it in a forum where you know you will be asked to back it up. As long as people do this, then skeptics will continue to prod you with sticks and call you a nutter.

Azrael 5

21st February 2005, 03:13 AM

On a slight tangent I emailed clairvoyant Stephen Holbrook yesterday(the poncy one from Mediums:talking to the dead)as he has a complaints email! So I complained he was cold reading at shows,blah blah,Randi challenge etc.

Got the reply"To which venue did you go that made you think that?"
LOL:D

Anyway,back to Janice(rubs hands with glee)I know this is a very tolerant forum but couldnt we just ban Janice for the hell of it?She's got nothing to contribute.She thinks Derek Acorah is a genuine medium along with another mystery person.Loony.:D

Stitch

21st February 2005, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by Azrael 5

Got the reply"To which venue did you go that made you think that?"
LOL:D

I trust you have pointed out the monumental balls up in thier response?? Keep us posted with how you get on - I expect they will go quiet :D

Odin

21st February 2005, 05:25 AM

I remember on Antiques Ghost show Derek said they have football teams in the spirit world. What do they use as a ball?

Darat

21st February 2005, 08:27 AM

Orbs...

Azrael 5

21st February 2005, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by Stitch
I trust you have pointed out the monumental balls up in thier response?? Keep us posted with how you get on - I expect they will go quiet :D
I replied "All of them" lol.I pointed them to a review on Bad Psychics of one of their shows.No reply as yet.;)

geni

21st February 2005, 09:24 AM

We could create a decent length questions for Janice thread from this thread alone.

AngrySteve

21st February 2005, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Janice
What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?

Janice, with all due respect

I don't think the onus is on the skeptics to prove that Derek is a fraud. People will make up their own minds based on the information that is available and hopefully by doing a bit of research of their own

Derek claims to channel via his spirit guide called "Sam" - that allows him to open up some kind of communication channel with 'the other side'

If true, we are talking about a breakthrough of some kind of new discovery, and Derek would be up for The Nobel Prize, if he could prove any of his claims.

So what's he doing on late night 'entertainment' shows that are based on ghosts and haunting. Pure entertainment, and ratings driven shows?

Answer - it makes for interesting theatre - and that is all.
He is not able to prove it. and he is the one making the outlandish claims

Azrael 5

21st February 2005, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by geni
We could create a decent length questions for Janice thread from this thread alone.
Id like such a thread...;)

Anon1

21st February 2005, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Janice
Azrael, I have already seen this post, as I said you are barking up the wrong tree. When MH Live is shown on living the average viewing numbers are 8-9m possibly more, so we are really not going to let a couple of articles on sceptics websites, change our opinions.:)

Lol
this made me laugh
The highest ever total for a Most Haunted show was a live show which got a total of 1.4m views over 3 hours.
Note that does NOT mean 1.4m at once, it means over 3 hours

The usual series episodes of MH get roughly 500k to 600k viewers.

Thanks to everyone who quoted www.badpsychics.co.uk
we do our best.

Azrael 5

21st February 2005, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the extra info Jon,the initial viewing figures have been quoted to Janice she's just a bit slow at grasping things.Did you know she knows a real medium..but cant tell anyone their name?;)

jambo372

21st February 2005, 03:04 PM

I wonder if I know any of the mediums Janice has been to.

Anon1

21st February 2005, 03:13 PM

I know loads of mediums, some quite famous ones too.
I am even gonna appear on a radio show with one!!

Azrael 5

21st February 2005, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by JonDonnis
I know loads of mediums, some quite famous ones too.
I am even gonna appear on a radio show with one!!
I hope you pressure these mediums on a daily basis.Let us know when you are on radio and who with!;)

Anon1

21st February 2005, 04:04 PM

I cant talk to much about it yet, but trust me i will be advertising it all over the place when its on.

And yes i constantly push the mediums i know to be tested,
they dont really listen to me though, lol

Jeff Corey

21st February 2005, 04:04 PM

I'd just like to say the Derek is a witch. He turned me into a newt and my trouble into a tea caddy.
A nice tea caddy and very polite.

Azrael 5

21st February 2005, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by JonDonnis
I cant talk to much about it yet, but trust me i will be advertising it all over the place when its on.

And yes i constantly push the mediums i know to be tested,
they dont really listen to me though, lol
Name and shame,then...;)

Anon1

22nd February 2005, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
I'd just like to say the Derek is a witch. He turned me into a newt and my trouble into a tea caddy.
A nice tea caddy and very polite.

Thats not as funny as you think
I recently had Derek Acorahs first manager John G. Sutton emailing me claiming that Acorah was no more than a Demon.
No I am not joking.

This guy claims that even though Derek fakes on MH, that he possesses genuine psychic abilities and can use them for harm.

God help me on my site then. lol

If you see a frog croaking and jumping about with a miniturised BadPsychics t-shirt on, please pick him up and look after him.

AngrySteve

2nd March 2005, 03:24 PM

Derek Acorah is on the James Whale Show
3rd March 2005 - 10pm GMT

www.talksport.net

I've just heard James Whale call Derek a 'legend'
Can you believe it?

The host is a personal friend of Derek, so don't expect him to be given a hard time

Anyway, i've heard him before on this show, he does live readings with people over the telephone lines

I've got my recorders ready to study afterwards

Darat

2nd March 2005, 03:30 PM

Any takers for how many "and I mean this with respect..."s ? I'll record it for a laugh.

AngrySteve

3rd March 2005, 09:57 AM

For a three hour show with commercial breaks, i'll go for:

25 "respect" comments

He doesn't do these types of radio programs very often anymore.

I was hoping to get a feel for some kind of 'hit rate'

I will be paying close attention to the callers before Derek responds to them. What they say at the start of the calls, the kind of information they could be giving to Derek.

I'm fairly sure there will be a higher percentage of female callers than male

Speaking to the dead is the easy part, getting the dead to talk back is the hard part ;)

AngrySteve

3rd March 2005, 03:44 PM

Derek pauses from time to time saying "..yes. yes..ok"

Trying to give the impression he's communicating with Sam (his spirit guide)

I've heard around four calls so far, and the names he's throwing out, the callers do not relate to.

Derek:
"Lucy, have you been pregnant recently?"
Lucy: No
Derek: Ohhhh

If he has a bad night, he will claim "a poor spirit connection"
*sigh* Always an excuse

Already been mentioned by James Whale during the intro to the show. James also mentioned that won't be taking any calls from anyone that wants to discuss whether what Derek does is real or not

Marquis de Carabas

3rd March 2005, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by RamblingOnwards

I'm always confused by this strange use of the term 'respect your beliefs'. What does it mean? 'I think you're a nice person, even though you're deluded?' Because by definition, it can't mean they think the other person's belief's are just as valid as their own. I mean:

A: "The capital of Switzerland is Zurich."

Me: "Actually, that's a common mistake. It's the largest city, but the political capital is Bern."

A: "Well, I still think it's Zurich, but I respect your point of view."

Me: "No you don't. If you 'respected my beliefs' you'd agree that I was right. If you continuing to hold your belief, then you are telling me that I'm wrong. You are furthermore doing so without giving me more information so that I can either a) see that you are in fact correct, or b) correcting your further mistake."

I hate this type of pseudo-politeness.

Seconded. I respect the right of a person to hold a belief. I rarely find that I respect the belief itself.

AngrySteve

3rd March 2005, 04:14 PM

<lol> a great moment just then.

Derek was asked to plug his website, and he'd forgotten the address for a few moments.

Ask Sam !!

I've noticed that callers only get to say "hello, nice to speak to you" and then Derek starts telling these people about themselves

Quite broad statements he's making, general items

He's tells a woman that her son is a good person, and she obviously agrees with him. I mean she isn't going to disagree is she?

"I'm picking up someone struggling to walk"

Yeah, when we're talking about more elderly people, mobility becomes a problem, hearing and eyesight starts to go.

Don't have to be a psychic to work that out

Ashles

3rd March 2005, 04:14 PM

This thread has encouraged me to learn how to use our digital radio.

Who says no good comes from mediums?

Derek really is a clown isn't he.

Derek: Have you had some issue with maybe a mother in law, or some woman who isn't a blood-mother?

Woman: No

So Derek tells her that she is to be wary of any older woman she meets in the next couple of months.

How nice of him. Guess wrong? Why not make someone paranoid to cover up.

Ashles

3rd March 2005, 04:16 PM

He's being asked about sick babies who die...

And he's told the listeners that God is eternal so we have many lives.

So God AND reincarnation?

What belief system is this exactly?

Ashles

3rd March 2005, 04:21 PM

He's being asked about when he contacted an alien!

Oh he didn't actually contact the alien, he only contacted the residual energy of the place where the alien visited.

And people take this man seriously?

He's describing how the aliens gathered together by a building to discuss how to get home. But apparently they failed and died there.
Which disagrees instantly with what Derek just said about how they were just visiting.

I actually am genuinely curious as to how anyone could take a word this man says seriously.

And why don't they broadcast him more? He is funnier than Shirley Ghostman.

Ashles

3rd March 2005, 04:31 PM

Derek is saying "Do you know a Maggie or Mags..." repeatedly.

The woman doesn't know one.

So my question is - why can't Mags say who she is? If she knows her so well just say "Remember you knew me from..."

And he's asking "Who threw his caps away"

But she is saying she still has his cap.

Derek is missing a great deal.

But they've had hundreds of calls!

And they've just had an email describing a classic waking dream. And of course off Derek goes explaining it as dead people.

Irresponsible as ever.

Anon1

4th March 2005, 07:16 AM

I love it when Degsy appears on the James Whale show, he is always so bad it is funny.

AngrySteve

4th March 2005, 08:14 AM

This Spirit Channeling lark must be draining.

He couldn't last the distance.

He mentioned something about feeling drained.
He also mentioned something about his busy lifestyle and being jetlagged.

Anyway, his 'powers' depart him once he starts to feel drained.

There was a very full switchboard of people wanting to get on apparantly
Even some of his fans must have been a little disappointed

At one point James and Derek talked about football (soccer), Liverpool FC and Michael Owen for a segment, then James went to take a call, and had to hold over, because they were right up to the top of the hour news break.. with a FULL switchboard, and they waste time

I'll go over the recording over the weekend. Derek didn't get very many hits.

I noticed that one lady actually casually mentioned to him that she was pregnant, so then Derek immediately switched his 'guesswork' to the ladies forthcoming child.
He takes a guess at the sex of the child, and said "a boy"
He guessed correct.
That was a 50/50 - two possible outcomes
Like tossing a coin.
But Derek was not able to detect that the lady was pregnant, until she told him.

He seems to be doing these telephone readings, using what he calls "voice vibrations" - because he said that a number of times
Caller "Hello Derek, nice to speak with you"
Derek "Nice to speak with you too. Your voice vibrations tell me that [insert random spiritual medium paragraph here]

Mojo

4th March 2005, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by AngrySteve
He seems to be doing these telephone readings, using what he calls "voice vibrations" - because he said that a number of times
Caller "Hello Derek, nice to speak with you"
Derek "Nice to speak with you too. Your voice vibrations tell me that [insert random spiritual medium paragraph here] Surely the voice vibrations have told him that the caller has just said: "Hello Derek, nice to speak with you." How else would he hear the voice?:D

Ashles

4th March 2005, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by AngrySteve
I noticed that one lady actually casually mentioned to him that she was pregnant, so then Derek immediately switched his 'guesswork' to the ladies forthcoming child.
He takes a guess at the sex of the child, and said "a boy"
He guessed correct.
That was a 50/50 - two possible outcomes
Like tossing a coin.
But Derek was not able to detect that the lady was pregnant, until she told him.
Wasn't that the woman who he declared already had a girl? If I remember correctly he said sh already had a girl. She said she had 2 boys, but had lost a child.

But that's not what he said, he said she had a girl.

Shaun from Scotland

5th March 2005, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by JonDonnis
I love it when Degsy appears on the James Whale show, he is always so bad it is funny.

I listened to him a few nights ago on Whaley. Good editing makes him passable on Most Haunted. But I was surprised how piss poor he was live. Even Van Pragh is better and he WAS keek.........

geni

21st March 2005, 05:22 AM

it would appear that the forum has dissabled registration.

andycal

21st March 2005, 05:31 AM

Quote from Shirley Ghostman on Jonathan Ross on Saturday:

"Derek Acorah is just cheap entertainment for people who can only afford a satellite dish on Ocean Finance"

Azrael 5

21st March 2005, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by andycal
Quote from Shirley Ghostman on Jonathan Ross on Saturday:

"Derek Acorah is just cheap entertainment for people who can only afford a satellite dish on Ocean Finance"

Great line.:D

AngrySteve

21st March 2005, 09:57 PM

Good point Shaun,

It honestly escaped my mind for a while.

That Derek is in fact edited on Tv - Most Haunted to make him look better than he really is

Get hold of him live, and he can't remember the name of his own website, and since it's called derekacorah.org
that meant he couldn't remember his own name !!

Then complains of feeling drained, and bails out early, after a dismal performance (maybe Sam wants a pay rise)

I'm glad that Talksport interview went ahead though, it was very revealing

Shaun from Scotland

23rd March 2005, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by AngrySteve
Good point Shaun,

It honestly escaped my mind for a while.

That Derek is in fact edited on Tv - Most Haunted to make him look better than he really is

Get hold of him live, and he can't remember the name of his own website, and since it's called derekacorah.org
that meant he couldn't remember his own name !!

Then complains of feeling drained, and bails out early, after a dismal performance (maybe Sam wants a pay rise)

I'm glad that Talksport interview went ahead though, it was very revealing

I think one that slipped through on Most Haunted was during a show from a place in Ireland. He claimed to be contacting the spirit some local who said he was from Bury in Ireland. Now, he pronounced this as "Bur-i", like we would say to bury someone, and like the town in England.

Unfortunately for Dek, an Irish local would pronounce this as "Boor-eye". They actually pointed this out on the show. I couldn't beleive they glossed over it! Why would a local pronounce the name of the toen where he lived totally incorrectly?

So either we have a local who can't say his town name properly, or Dek hasn't done his research properly.............

You decide............I know what my money is on :D

Jim Lennox

23rd March 2005, 08:53 PM

Isn't the .org suffix just for registered charities? I couldn't find Derek Acorah on the central register of charities.

And let's not forget that Ofcom's code of practice says

Demonstrations of predictive practices, whether `psychic' or otherwise (eg horoscopes, palmistry), are acceptable only when they are presented as entertainment or are the subject of legitimate investigation. They should not include specific advice to particular contributors or viewers about health or medical matters or about personal finance. They should not be included at times when large numbers of children are expected to be watching.

Link (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/codes_guidelines/broadcasting/tv/programmes/programme_code/pc_section_one?a=87101)

Although I'm not sure how rigorously this is applied to cable & satellite channels, I'm sure Ofcom will appreciate a few e-mails about Acorah.