I can tell a lot about a person by their palms, let me read yours.

[mayday]

I would like to personally challenge some skeptics to something trule interesting. Anyone willing to make a palm print and put it on here for me to read? I can tell a lot about a person by looking at his or her palms.

Or, are most people, as I suspect, just here to expell wind and aren't really interested in anything but cynicism and complaining?

[Rob Lister]

Originally posted by mayday
I would like to personally challenge some skeptics to something trule interesting. Anyone willing to make a palm print and put it on here for me to read? I can tell a lot about a person by looking at his or her palms.

Or, are most people, as I suspect, just here to expell wind and aren't really interested in anything but cynicism and complaining?

I would be willing to provide a palm print but what's in it for me? I'll do it for five bucks. You can use paypal to pay me. Let me know if you are interested. BTW, I've got a really interesting, and sometimes sexy, palm.

[voodoochile]

Well, if this were a truly unbiased test, I would take a picture and post it, but since you could easily discover a lot about me by simply reading a bunch of my old posts, it wouldn't say much about your abililty other than you can hot read a person's palm.

[JimTheBrit]

Originally posted by mayday
I would like to personally challenge some skeptics to something trule interesting. Anyone willing to make a palm print and put it on here for me to read? I can tell a lot about a person by looking at his or her palms.

Or, are most people, as I suspect, just here to expell wind and aren't really interested in anything but cynicism and complaining? Can you match personality descriptions with palm prints if all are supplied anonymously?

[Azrael 5]

Better idea,post a picture of someone else's palm,then no hot reading is available.Id do it but havent got a scanner,maybe I could photograph the hand and put it up.Might try later.;)

Edited to add:Jim you beat me to it!;)

[Donks]

Ok, here you go. You didn't specify which hand, so I got you the right hand. If you need the left, tell me and I'll post it.

ETA: If you absolutely need it at a higher resolution, tell me and I can get you a 1600x1200.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by mayday
I would like to personally challenge some skeptics to something trule interesting. Anyone willing to make a palm print and put it on here for me to read? I can tell a lot about a person by looking at his or her palms.

Or, are most people, as I suspect, just here to expell wind and aren't really interested in anything but cynicism and complaining?

I seriously doubt the wisdom of posting something like this on the Internet. I have no idea if it could be made use of by someone, but I sure as hell wouldn't do it.

[Donks]

Originally posted by jmercer
I seriously doubt the wisdom of posting something like this on the Internet. I have no idea if it could be made use of by someone, but I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
If someone wants to photoshop my palm, go right ahead.

[jmercer]

Heh... after seeing the picture, I withdraw my concerns. I was thinking of a close-up where the actual individual whorls would be discernable. :)

[RamblingOnwards]

Originally posted by jmercer
I seriously doubt the wisdom of posting something like this on the Internet. I have no idea if it could be made use of by someone, but I sure as hell wouldn't do it.

For the purposes of reading it, you'd think that a photograph of the palm would be a lot more useful than a palm print . Maybe that was what was meant?

If we want to make a test of palm photographs, we could all send them to a neutral third party who could host them, then all readings done 'blind' and then scored. Might be interesting.

[Donks]

Originally posted by jmercer
Heh... after seeing the picture, I withdraw my concerns. I was thinking of a close-up where the actual individual whorls would be discernable. :)
I had to keep it under the 25k limit, so I limited quality and size.

[Azrael 5]

P.S. Here's mine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/handright.jpg :D

I bet Im going to come into money,thinking of moving jobs and you can see a tall dark stranger!:D :D

[Nex]

Originally posted by RamblingOnwards
...If we want to make a test of palm photographs, we could all send them to a neutral third party who could host them, then all readings done 'blind' and then scored. Might be interesting.

I can host the pics temporarily, if you want. I may be a skeptic, but I'm also too busy with school right now to be involved in any online experimentation.* I'd just put them up (renamed for anonymity, of course), post the links here, and leave it at that.

Should prove to be an interesting experiment... should it come to pass, that is.

Let me know.


*As in to say, I'm too busy to care how it turns out right now.

[neutrino_cannon]

Let’s set down some rules as to exactly what constitutes a hit, and exactly how this shindig will work.

I propose the following:


The pictures of the palms themselves should be ink prints on paper, then scanned and converted to grayscale gif (or something like that), first because the features of the hand will be more apparent than in a low-resolution photograph, and second because if they're in black and white, they can be blown up greatly and still take up less disc space. This will also prevent any additional clues that a photograph might allow, such as the ethnicity of the owner of the hand, from being apparent. It will also prevent intentional deception on the part of the skeptics, since they won't be able to plant false clues in the photos, which would be quite cynical indeed.

All the pictures of the prints of palms will be sized equally. This will make conclusions about the palms equally easy in all cases.

All participants in this experiment will send a picture of their palm print and a short description of themselves (more on that later) to someone who will then send that information, sans any obvious correlation between the handprints and the personal descriptions to Nex, or anyone else who wants to host both the pictures of palm-prints and the personal descriptions. Thus the person who presents the pictures to mayday will be unable to leave any clues as to the owner of each set of prints, since they won't know either.

There will have to be enough participants that an accidental correlation of the palm-prints and personal descriptions is unlikely. I'm not good at statistics, someone figure this out for me.

An exact definition of what mayday can figure out about someone from their palm must be submitted before we can proceed any further. This should be the sort of information in the personal descriptions, with the exception of sensitive private information. Certain information will be considered irrelevant, for example sex, which could easily be determined by the allometry of the fingers (women tend to have shorter fingers). This information should also be as statistically irrelevant to the fact that this forum is predominated by male, adult skeptics as much as is possible. Similarly, predictions about the owner of the handprint's future is considered inadmissible because I'm sure nobody here wants to sit around and wait for the results to be verified.

The person who keeps the correlated list of handprint pictures and personal descriptions should be able to verify in some way that neither the pictures, descriptions nor correlations between the two have been tampered with in any way.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
I propose the following:


Given bigfig...er.. mayday's record, I can use my powers to predict that mayday never posts a reading.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
Given bigfig...er.. mayday's record, I can use my powers to predict that mayday never posts a reading.
So far you're prediction is coming true.Lets not worry too much neutrino_cannon about test controls;its not really a problem.Let mayday come up with info and lets see how it goes.But she seems a little reluctant all of a sudden...

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
So far you're prediction is coming true.Lets not worry too much neutrino_cannon about test controls;its not really a problem.Let mayday come up with info and lets see how it goes.But she seems a little reluctant all of a sudden...

Hey, it takes time to read every post someone has ever made...

[bPer]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
Certain information will be considered irrelevant, for example sex, which could easily be determined by the allometry of the fingers (women tend to have shorter fingers).
Generally, NC, I'd go along with your protocol, but in this case I have to ask (because perhaps I missed something):

Why show the fingers at all? Mayday/bigfig asked for palm prints, not hand prints. I'd crop all pics down to just the palm, thereby thwarting any attempt to use the above technique to determine gender.

βPer

[Dr Adequate]

I thought you might be serious, and then I read your second paragraph and realised that you were just spewing up bile.

It seems that you want to talk to us, but not as if we were human beings.

Explain.

[Azrael 5]

Still no readings? I went to a lot of effort getting my palms on here! ;)

[mayday]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
P.S. Here's mine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/handright.jpg :D

I bet Im going to come into money,thinking of moving jobs and you can see a tall dark stranger!:D :D

Hey, haven't stepped out on you here, I have been at a wedding today.
To do a really good reading an actual hand print would be best (and of both hands). But so far this is how I see you, Azrael...
some of your more pronounced characteristics include: lone wolf type you like to be free as the air, you hate to waste time and energy, you are conventional, generous, you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking, gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance, you are strong in tradition, do not like to break rules but you love change.

[Dr Adequate]

But you still have not explained.

[B.S]

Here I am, left and right, knock yourself out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/sskeli/0017.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/sskeli/0007.jpg

[Dr Adequate]

Oh, and explain.

[Donks]

So, no reading?

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by mayday
Hey, haven't stepped out on you here, I have been at a wedding today.
To do a really good reading an actual hand print would be best (and of both hands). But so far this is how I see you, Azrael...
some of your more pronounced characteristics include: lone wolf type you like to be free as the air, you hate to waste time and energy, you are conventional, generous, you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking, gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance, you are strong in tradition, do not like to break rules but you love change.

Click Azrael's profile... you'll get stronger vibes. For instance, I see these palms holding cameras and CDs but I'm not sure why. I need $20 more dollars.

[Dr Adequate]

I'm still open to any explanation of the second paragraph of the OP that doesn't involve whining and lying.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by mayday
Hey, haven't stepped out on you here, I have been at a wedding today.
To do a really good reading an actual hand print would be best (and of both hands). But so far this is how I see you, Azrael...
some of your more pronounced characteristics include: lone wolf type you like to be free as the air, you hate to waste time and energy, you are conventional, generous, you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking, gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance, you are strong in tradition, do not like to break rules but you love change.

OHMIGAWD! That's me to a T.

I don't know what is more spooky that you did this so well or that Azrael has a picture of my palm.

[Dr Adequate]

And I would still like to know what you're whining about.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by bPer
Generally, NC, I'd go along with your protocol, but in this case I have to ask (because perhaps I missed something):

Why show the fingers at all? Mayday/bigfig asked for palm prints, not hand prints. I'd crop all pics down to just the palm, thereby thwarting any attempt to use the above technique to determine gender.

βPer

If mayday doesn't have a problem with that, I'm all for it. That's actually a heck of an idea. IIRC, fingerprint patters (loops, whorls, etc.) are genetic, and might be unevenly distributed among races. There again could be evidence on ethnicity, which unfortunately has several other correlations in the United States. Good call.

Any other modifications to my proposed test protocall?

[DevilsAdvocate]

I had to do a speech in high school and after reading a few books I did it on palmistry. Some kids wanted readings done, so I basically plugged their lines into what the books said and it turned out really accurate. Woo hoo! (or should I say Woo woo!).
I tend to have a strong memory, but remembering the details of the palmistry books I read during a week 20 some years ago is a little shaky (this is where I set myself up so that if I'm wrong, I'm still not wrong). But here goes from what I can remember.

WARNING to Donks, Azrael 5, and B.S: People reading anything (including total gibberish) about their childhood, marriage, abilities, and death can sometimes freak out. Don’t freak out. It is nonsense. It could apply to anybody. If you can’t handle random predictions of your own death, then don’t read it (but you will anyway) but realize that it is just made up random stuff. (This warning is given because I did some palmisrty that predicted divorce, severe health problems, early death, etc. that caused some people to "freak out", especially in cases where predictions about past events happened to be very accurate or were at least perceived as very accurate. Another case for "what is the harm". End of warning. On with the stupid predictions. ;)



Donks: Photo is very blurry, but I’ll try. You like to read. You are not non-athletic but don’t participate in many sports. You either have had no major health problems, or possibly had extended health problems in your 20s and maybe into you 30s but you have or will recover--hard to tell from the photo. You are typically a happy jovial person. You are strong-willed, but subject to cases of severe shyness of non-confidence. You had a very loving childhood. You have a very loving spouse, but you have or will have a fallout with your spouse or child that will be painful, but you will regain that love either with that person or another and find greater love. You will most likely live to an old age and have no serious money problems.

Azrael 5: You did not have a good childhood, perhaps you were sick. You found a true love. You love this person intensely, but one day this fiery romance will end and will not be replaced. You will have or have strong children. You are good at many skills, but only excel at one or two. You do not have much disease, but when you do you quickly overcome it--possibly without medical intervention. You have successfully overcome major obstacles to achieve life goals. You will live a long and fruitful life, but may return to unhappiness in your old age.

B.S: You had a wonderful childhood. Your health has declined with periodic illnesses. You prefer to work a “white-collar� type job but have found it necessary to take on “blue-collar� type jobs from time to time. You have found strong love interest on and off, but these usually last for short periods of time. These love interest give you new advantages for jobs and money, but when they end, you lose the job/money advantage and go looking for the same type of situation with another person. You will live long, but in bad health and have few children. However, you will find the greatest love and happiness you have ever known toward the end of you years.

[Donks]

Before I rate DevilsAdvocate's reading, I'll post both hands with less blurriness:
Left. (http://img209.exs.cx/img209/5079/left8bk.jpg)
Right. (http://img74.exs.cx/img74/9181/right9ec.jpg)

[Tricky]

Okay, let's have a look at how much of a chance mayday took on this reading.
Originally posted by mayday
But so far this is how I see you, Azrael...
some of your more pronounced characteristics include: lone wolf type you like to be free as the air...
Who doesn't like to be free as the air? And don't most people think of themselves as rugged individualists, not sheep? "Sure, I have a lot of friends, but I'm still my own person." Nobody would have a hard time fitting this to themselves.

Originally posted by mayday
...you hate to waste time and energy...
LOL. Show me a single person who says they like to waste time and energy.
Originally posted by mayday
...you are conventional...
Now this is a bit of a risk. Most people don't like to think of themselves as "conventional", however, it could still be force-fit by having the person think it means "you are not a wacko."

Originally posted by mayday
...generous...
Another guaranteed hit. Everybody thinks of themselves as "generous to deserving causes".

Originally posted by mayday
...you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking...
All complimentary stuff. You're feeding the sitters ego when you tell them these things, so of course they're going to agree.

Originally posted by mayday
...gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance...
Gravitate? That could simply mean you "support" fire, cops, ER and such, which almost everybody does. If you had gone out on a limb and said "you work as a fireman, cop, etc." I would have been a lot more impressed.

Originally posted by mayday
...you are strong in tradition...
For most people, that would be a safe bet. On a skeptics board, you may find that one bites you in the butt. Skeptics tend to associate "tradition" with "dogma".

Originally posted by mayday
...do not like to break rules...
This one is a bit of a risk. Most people consider themselves "law abiding", but many like to think of themselves as risk-takers, which could be interpreted as "breaking the rules". Speaking for myself, I do both. I am a scrupulously good and polite driver, but at work, I'm the one who challenges authority.

Originally posted by mayday
...but you love change.
Another no-brainer. I'm betting you don't get a lot of people who say, "I'm pretty dull, so I love routine."

All in all, you didn't take many chances. If you were reading a non-skeptic, they'd probably score you very high (even if you never took a glance at their palm).

If you want to do this right, wait until you have several pictures of palms here, then make a reading for each but do not say who the reading is for. Post all the readings, omitting any discussion of the appearance of the palm, and have the targets pick the one they think you made for them. Try this with a group of your friends if you really want to test yourself, but of course, you already know stuff about your friends, so you could still wind up with more "hits" than random chance would dictate, but I think you would find that you also would have a number of people picking the reading for someone else.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by Donks
Before I rate DevilsAdvocate's reading, I'll post both hands with less blurriness:
Left. (http://img209.exs.cx/img209/5079/left8bk.jpg)
Right. (http://img74.exs.cx/img74/9181/right9ec.jpg) I can't get them. Probably a problem on my end. The images on the website appear strongly pixalated with just very general areas of solid colors. I tried to download them and open them in photoshop, but I get "unknown or invald JPEG marker encountered". :(

Maybe try a different format like GIF or bitmap. Then I can tell you presicely will you will die! Unbeliver! Ha ha ha!!!

[neutrino_cannon]

This is why I insist that the criteria consist of items that aren't generic. Examplae gratiae:


Income
Marital status
Job
Favorite food
Age

[DevilsAdvocate]

Oh, and Tricky (or anyone else): care to tear apart my analyisis? Am I too vague? I think some of it is vauge. Tear it apart so that we can do a comparrision. Thanks. :)

[Donks]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
Maybe try a different format like GIF or bitmap. Then I can tell you presicely will you will die! Unbeliver! Ha ha ha!!!
Hmmm, odd. I'll try two other formats.
Png:
Left. (http://img213.exs.cx/img213/2860/left3wj.png)
Right (http://img93.exs.cx/img93/9148/right3fm.png)
Gif:
Left. (http://img93.exs.cx/img93/6186/left9rj.gif)
Right (http://img213.exs.cx/img213/2648/right1nz.gif)
Oh, and I forgot to thank to ImageShack for Free Image Hosting (http://www.imageshack.us), for the last post. And this one too.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
Donks: Photo is very blurry, but I’ll try. You like to read.

Like to read isn't a bad bet, and remember, if you have a lot of predictions that seem unlikely, outright misses will probably be ignored.

You are not non-athletic but don’t participate in many sports.

Nobody wants to be told that they're not athletic, and I would assume a majority of people don't participate in many sports. Note that the word bolded may be shoehorned if necessary.

You either have had no major health problems, or possibly had extended health problems in your 20s and maybe into you 30s but you have or will recover--hard to tell from the photo.
Serious health problems are almost by definition rare, but this particular prediction has an additional CYA in the vague pronouncement that the person in question had "extended" (not specific) somewhere in the *last twenty years*.

You are typically a happy jovial person.

I would assume a minority of people describe themselves as happy, rather than angry and dark (consider reversing this if the subject palm belongs to a known teenager).

You are strong-willed, but subject to cases of severe shyness of non-confidence.

This is almost contradictory in the way it covers all possible bases.

You had a very loving childhood. You have a very loving spouse, but you have or will have a fallout with your spouse or child that will be painful, but you will regain that love either with that person or another and find greater love.

This actually goes a little out on a limb. The person in question might not be married, which would more or less invalidate this.

You will most likely live to an old age and have no serious money problems.

This is unverifiable.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
This is why I insist that the criteria consist of items that aren't generic. Examplae gratiae:


Income
Marital status
Job
Favorite food
Age
Well, with my understanding of palmistry (and remeber this is based ona few books I read 20 years ago) is that the palm shows strengths and weaknesses and can show those over a period ofa life. Palmistry won't show age (well, not in a "true art" form") would you would need to know the age of the person to tell them specifics about their life and upcoming events. You can't tell a favortie food.

You can't tell a specific job, but maybe a type of job - manual labor or professional, one that makes little money or no money, etc. You could also gather certain data that would lead to certain reasonable conclusions: "You are very analytical and intelligent, you are not very social, you are conservative but open to new ideas, you make a good income and have no money probems." Job? Maybe a software programmer. Interpretation of the pamistry interpretation is a difference science/art.

Given the age of the person whose palm you are reading, you shoud be able to tell maritial status or at least "love" status: "You are married and love you wife, you are very much in love with someone, etc."

You can't tell income, but could tell money problems. Somebody that is rich and has a good income may still have money probelms.

Anyway, that's how I read it is supposed to work. If we are going to investigate nonsesnse, we at least have to keep the investigation within the realms of the nonsesnse claim. (And I'm not an authorized voice of the claims because I'm working with recollection of a few books I read 20 years ago.) :)

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by neutrino_cannon
Blah blah blah[/B] I'm working on the Donk's photo clarity.


You are not non-athletic but don’t participate in many sports.

Nobody wants to be told that they're not athletic, and I would assume a majority of people don't participate in many sports. Note that the word bolded may be shoehorned if necessaryHmmm. Not sure what to do about this one. Some palm lines say "not-sporty", but others say "healthy and active". I guess this means no participation in competitive athletic sports. Like no football or basketball. But maybe running, golf, maybe tennis. Or just working out. "Athletic" would mean the person isn't a couch potato--they are regularly physically active. The "not many sports" would mean not competitve sports that are gauged on athleticism. Running, golf, and tennis wouldbe good examples. If you need more precise answers I could make those up too.

You either have had no major health problems, or possibly had extended health problems in your 20s and maybe into you 30s but you have or will recover--hard to tell from the photo.
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Serious health problems are almost by definition rare, but this particular prediction has an additional CYA in the vague pronouncement that the person in question had "extended" (not specific) somewhere in the *last twenty years*.What is a "CYA"? There is nothing about the *last twenty years*. The palm lines in the picture are blurry. If the lines are acutually clean and sharp, then the reading would be "no major health problems". If the lines and area around them are as indescript as they appear, then the reading would be "extended bad health between ages of 20 and 30". Isn't that specific? That means not an occasiional cold, but a long term illness during that person's life. I don;t see any objection to this claim.


You are typically a happy jovial person.
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I would assume a minority of people describe themselves as happy, rather than angry and dark (consider reversing this if the subject palm belongs to a known teenager).I assume you mean "a majority". This reading would mean someone that is always smiling, probably wakes up early, is an extorvert, cheers people up, as oppsed to someone always serious or studious and concentrated at the business at hand.

You are strong-willed, but subject to cases of severe shyness of non-confidence.
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This is almost contradictory in the way it covers all possible basesWell, yes. Almost all palmistry, astrology, fortune telling fits in to that. But I'll try to make my guessology fit out of that. The palm read would be of a person that is nomaly shyness and has low self-confidence, but has a strong will that can usually overcome these obsticals. It is contradictory because the person has one quality that is overcome by another. But for aq correct reading, the person should "feel" very shy and self-conscience or struggle to overcome those feelings and do so.

You had a very loving childhood. You have a very loving spouse, but you have or will have a fallout with your spouse or child that will be painful, but you will regain that love either with that person or another and find greater love.
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This actually goes a little out on a limb. The person in question might not be married, which would more or less invalidate this.Actually "spouse" was the wropng word. "Partner" or "lover" would have been better. Palmistry cannnot absolutely detect the presence of marriage. Palmistry would only detect the attributes of stuf like love, health, money, etc. Strong long-term love does not neccessarily mean marriage.

You will most likely live to an old age and have no serious money problems.
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This is unverifiable.I'd have to look at the palm agin, but I'm pretty sure I could conclude that there are no money problems. And if predicting nonsense like this is dismissed, then what is really the value of palmisrty? Ok, I cn answer that one myself.

Anyway, I'll try to get Donk's images and revise my predictions. I will predict that I'll be very wrong, but will at least take more chances in accuracy than anyone else trying to do palmistry. ;)

[DevilsAdvocate]

Man, it's tough being trying to be a woo. :p

[Donks]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
Man, it's tough being trying to be a woo. :p
So, could you see the new pics?

[plindboe]

Originally posted by mayday
To do a really good reading an actual hand print would be best (and of both hands). But so far this is how I see you, Azrael...
some of your more pronounced characteristics include: lone wolf type you like to be free as the air, you hate to waste time and energy, you are conventional, generous, you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking, gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance, you are strong in tradition, do not like to break rules but you love change.

Reminds me of this one: "You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic."

The Forer effect (http://skepdic.com/forer.html)

[The Mighty Thor]

Forgetting about the palmistry, are there not medical signs that show up in the hands? -- red palms can indicate liver trouble and might suggest alcohol problems with the attendant ability to reasonably conclude "times of psychological upheaval".

Married? look for wedding ring mark -- how pronounced.

Job -- certainly usually easy to spot a manual labourer like a fisherman.

Liver marks can indicate age. (Remembering that the normal palm reader can see the backs of hands, too.)

Finger nails can reveal a lot (medical as well as social)

And, of course, the normal one-on-one palm reader can ALSO use all the techniques of cold reading for the whole person, while appearing to focus on the hands.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
I'm working on the Donk's photo clarity.


Hmmm. Not sure what to do about this one. Some palm lines say "not-sporty", but others say "healthy and active". I guess this means no participation in competitive athletic sports. Like no football or basketball. But maybe running, golf, maybe tennis. Or just working out. "Athletic" would mean the person isn't a couch potato--they are regularly physically active. The "not many sports" would mean not competitve sports that are gauged on athleticism. Running, golf, and tennis wouldbe good examples. If you need more precise answers I could make those up too.

What is a "CYA"? There is nothing about the *last twenty years*. The palm lines in the picture are blurry. If the lines are acutually clean and sharp, then the reading would be "no major health problems". If the lines and area around them are as indescript as they appear, then the reading would be "extended bad health between ages of 20 and 30". Isn't that specific? That means not an occasiional cold, but a long term illness during that person's life. I don;t see any objection to this claim.


Allowing that slop from the lousy photo would not be present in a better controlled test, saying that the person had no major health problems or may have had major health problem in thier twenties or thirties sounds a lot like saying that they haven't had any major health problems with the possible exception of the twenty-year span between 20 and 40. Besides, if it is nothing more than a cold or two, that could easily fall under "no major health problems". Chronic health problems is actually a risky claim, and would almost certainly turn out worng (and would therefore have to be ignored), or turn out right, which would easily cover a lot of other botched claims.

CYA stands for "cover your @$$".

Actually, perhaps part of convincing palmistry is to throw in a few seemingly-unlikely guesses, like ones about serious diseases, relationship problems, and whatnot, that will likely turn out wrong, but every so often are right, and add a lot of credibility when they are. A purely generic reading is rather dull and uninteresting, even if it is 100% correct (I assume such a reading could be constructed and would be similar to examples posted below). To keep people coming back though, it would be necessary to make outlandish predictions that either fit perfectly with the subject, or can be shoehorned to do so. One or two such events could certainly lend a lot of percieved credibility to an otherwise boring and generic reading.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by mayday
Hey, haven't stepped out on you here, I have been at a wedding today.
To do a really good reading an actual hand print would be best (and of both hands). But so far this is how I see you, Azrael...
some of your more pronounced characteristics include: lone wolf type you like to be free as the air, you hate to waste time and energy, you are conventional, generous, you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking, gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance, you are strong in tradition, do not like to break rules but you love change.

So lets see,in a Jim Bowen stylee"Have a look at what you could have won"
Not applicable particularly.I like to be outdoors,so maybe thats "free as the air"?
"Hate to waste time" Doesnt everyone? Big hit!
"Coneventional"? Rock/Metal fan..self employed.Miss!
"Excel at problem solving..lateral thinking" No more than most I would say..
I break rules,as part of my job on occasions and the emergency services means nothing to me.Dont really enjoy change,neither!
You are missing one major point-if you really can read palms?!
Hope my palm prints will be more useful.Post them soon.;)

[Lisa Simpson]

Here you go, mayday.
Left hand:

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/9963/480x360lefthand8kp.th.jpg (http://img220.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img220&image=480x360lefthand8kp.jpg)


Right hand:

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/3826/480x360righthand2fg.th.jpg (http://img220.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img220&image=480x360righthand2fg.jpg)


click on the pictures for the larger version.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
Oh, and Tricky (or anyone else): care to tear apart my analyisis? Am I too vague? I think some of it is vauge. Tear it apart so that we can do a comparrision. Thanks.
Okay. I'll give it a whirl. I'll just do Azrael5's now because that's the one I did for Mayday


Azrael 5: You did not have a good childhood...
This is fairly to-the-point, but far too prone to cold reading skills. People who seem unhappy generally feel like they had an unhappy childhood too. Of course, you aren't reading Azrael in person, so the only way you could assess this is by analyzing his posts. Still "unhappy" is rather vague. I think of my childhood as very happy, but if I focussed on the fact that we were impoverished and I was a social outcast because of my nerdliness and liberalness (in Alabama) and the fact that I was never had a girlfriend, then I might be inclined to agree with the reading. It would be more impressive if you could point out specific reasons for unhappiness.


...perhaps you were sick...
More specific than Mayday's reading, but still open to some interpretation. Sick all the time? One bad bout with disease? Lingering effects of some disease? Sick at heart? Mental illness? Perverted? Again, more detail would be more impressive.


You found a true love.
What is "true love"? Was it your first love? If it was really "true" then the only way it could end is if circumstances far beyond your control came between you. If it was because they moved to another town and you just lost touch, then that wasn't a particularly strong love, was it? If she/he dumped you, that's not really "true love either, though you may remember it that way.


You love this person intensely, but one day this fiery romance will end and will not be replaced.
"Fiery" and "true" tend not to go together in the arena of love. Feiry romances tend to be intense but short. Also, is this past or future? This is a trick that lots of cold readers employ when they miss a guess. "Oh, it hasn't happened? Well it will." And what does "not be replaced" mean? It could mean, "Never find a love like that again" or the more unlikely "never have any lover again."


You are good at many skills, but only excel at one or two.
This is true of almost everybody, at least in their own self-appraisal. In actuality, there are people who are just a total waste of DNA.

You do not have much disease, but when you do you quickly overcome it--possibly without medical intervention.
Pretty safe. Most people don't require a lot of medical treatment, but there is the chance of missing this one badly. Again, more risky than Mayday's reading.


You have successfully overcome major obstacles to achieve life goals.
Another big, ego-stroking compliment. Few are going to disagree with this. A person who had life handed to them on a silver platter might say, "Yeah, but I had to overcome all those people who hated me because I was rich." GW Bush might even think he had overcome major obstacles.


You will live a long and fruitful life, but may return to unhappiness in your old age.
Another prediction so unlikely to be challenged, unless the person has a deadly disease that they know will take them young. Old age tends to make people cranky. Look at Randi. ;)

All in all, though, a much less vague reading than Maday's for the same person. What is interesting is that neither of you discuss much of the same things at all. You both looked at the same palm and came out with completely unrelated readings. Some science!

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Here you go, mayday.
Left hand:

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/9963/480x360lefthand8kp.th.jpg (http://img220.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img220&image=480x360lefthand8kp.jpg)


Right hand:

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/3826/480x360righthand2fg.th.jpg (http://img220.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img220&image=480x360righthand2fg.jpg)


click on the pictures for the larger version.
Holy mother of God! I just saw Jesus in Lisa's palm. My sketch is crude, but if you look at Lisa's original, you can see it too!

[Lisa Simpson]

Tricky--

That looks more like Satan than Jesus. :p

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Tricky--

That looks more like Satan than Jesus. :p
Hey, I found it so I get to say what it is. Yeah, I know it is your palm, but I can't give much credit to someone who has Jesus (or Satan) in the palm of her hand all her life and has never even noticed it.

Besides, I've seen the Shroud of Turin and Jesus in the Grilled Cheese Sandwich, so I know Jesus when I see him!

[Lisa Simpson]

Fair enough. :D

[B.S]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
WARNING to Donks, Azrael 5, and B.S: People reading anything (including total gibberish) about their childhood, marriage, abilities, and death can sometimes freak out.

Worry not, I am un-freakable. And thank you for the reading.

I will comment on the accuracy of the readings when I think they are finished, I still have yet to hear from Mayday.

[mayday]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
I can't get them. Probably a problem on my end. The images on the website appear strongly pixalated with just very general areas of solid colors. I tried to download them and open them in photoshop, but I get "unknown or invald JPEG marker encountered". :(

Maybe try a different format like GIF or bitmap. Then I can tell you presicely will you will die! Unbeliver! Ha ha ha!!!

Donks, you should never listen to backyard palm readers like DevilsAdvocate who have no idea what they are doing, then because they read a book and can "scare" people with their ability to read palms (people who have no understanding of what palmreading is, nonetheless) they think they have it all figured out. This is like a surgical technician who thinks they can be a surgeon because they have watched a surgery and have handed the surgeon instruments...downright insane!

I can tell from looking at your palm that you are an extrovert, impulsive, you have a lack of direction, you are a follower, you have a short life line (which does NOT signify a short life) and you dislike travel or being away from home, where you feel secure, just for starters. Palm reading goes much deeper than a few words. We could get real heavy into it if we wanted to.

[Donks]

Originally posted by mayday
I can tell from looking at your palm that you are an extrovert
Miss.
impulsive
Miss.
you have a lack of direction
At times it would be a hit, but in general, that would be a miss.
you are a follower
Miss.
you have a short life line (which does NOT signify a short life)
Wouldn't really know.
and you dislike travel or being away from home, where you feel secure
Miss.

just for starters. Palm reading goes much deeper than a few words. We could get real heavy into it if we wanted to.
Go as deep or as heavy as you like.

[mayday]

Originally posted by Donks
Miss.

Miss.

At times it would be a hit, but in general, that would be a miss.

Miss.

Wouldn't really know.

Miss.

Go as deep or as heavy as you like.

Remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one.

Lisa, your hand print on the scanner was kind of squishy but from what I can immediately see you have a strongly physical attitude toward life, you're enthusiastic, have a sparkling nature, zest for life and you play the supporting role in a relationship.

[Donks]

Originally posted by mayday
Remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one.
I know.
I have never been extroverted, or impulsive. I enjoy traveling.
Clarifying the answers any more would require me to give you more info, and allow you to do some cold reading.

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by mayday
Remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one. Congratulations. You just won the Excuse Of The Week Award.

You're not wrong about what Donks is like. He is. Quite.

Well, mayday, using my psychic powers, I see that you have a neurotic dread of Danish pastry, that you have a fetish for sexual activities with aardvarks, and that your deepest wish is for the entire US Senate to throw bacon rind at you.

But deep down of course. You may not know these things yourself... but my psychic powers never fail me.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by mayday
Remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one.

OHMIGAWD! LMFAO!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And the beat goes on...

[RamblingOnwards]

Originally posted by mayday
Remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one.

Wow. And I thought the 'it might relate to something you will remember later" argument was useful.

[Lisa Simpson]

I changed the contrast some. Click on the thumbnail for the larger pic.

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/7482/600x450righthand25iu.th.jpg (http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=600x450righthand25iu.jpg)

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by mayday
Remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one.

Lisa, your hand print on the scanner was kind of squishy but from what I can immediately see you have a strongly physical attitude toward life, you're enthusiastic, have a sparkling nature, zest for life and you play the supporting role in a relationship.
mayday this reading is totally different from the one you gave me..what gives?;)

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I changed the contrast some. Click on the thumbnail for the larger pic.

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/7482/600x450righthand25iu.th.jpg (http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=600x450righthand25iu.jpg)
I tried clicking on the thumbnail, or where I thought it ought to be, but nothing happened. The thumbnail and all the other fingernails are cut out of the picture.

[Azrael 5]

What sort of industrial accident did befall you,Lisa?:D

[mayday]

Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.

[gnome]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.

So if he disagrees with the reading, he's being dishonest, but if he agrees with the reading, it proves you're right.

Tell me, how can you tell when you've made a mistake?

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.

Denial... it's not just a river in Egypt...

[Odin]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.

People who post their palm prints should also give a description to a third party that the reading can be compared against, so no one can cheat.

[Harlequin]

Tell me, exactly how useful is a "science" that tells me things that either I already know, or have apparently not fully manifested (i.e. aren't true)?

If I'm an introvert and you tell me I'm an extrovert, does that mean I should change my behaviour to discover my true nature? What if I'm not happy pretending to be the life of the party? As a direct result of trying to be something that I'm not, my social life could be ruined! ;)

Golly, that's wonderful.

[H3LL]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.

I have no idea how you can type the word honest without your keyboard curling up and crawling away to the compactor in shame.

So, as I understand it, you are saying that Donks is at fault, not your reading.

As the High Igneous (acknowledged and evident on this very forum) my reading on you, as I can sense your palm through your PC:

You suffer from self delusion of an extreme nature. Although to others you appear an ordinary person you struggle with the knowledge that you are very gullible and credulous but cannot help yourself. Unable to deal with these feelings and an inability to understand evidence, your only recourse is to attempt to persuade as many vulnerable people as possible to accept your delusions as real. Your arrogance is at such a level that you believe that you can convince people on a skeptical forum to believe the drivel that you spout.

Mayday, remember that your perception of yourself is usually not the right one.

You know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.

You are not being honest

[Chocolate Chip]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.
Wow.. sounds arrogant too.
Are you that incapable of admitting that you're wrong, so much so as to accuse someone of being a liar?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Azrael 5
What sort of industrial accident did befall you,Lisa?:D

Nothing. I have two very vicious cats. :D

[Tricky]

I suspect that Mayday may be taking the p!ss out of us. Take a look at his/her location description for a subtle hint.

Mayday, are you in fact doing this reading and making a sorry defense of your misses in order to make woo-woos look silly? J'accuse!

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Tricky
I suspect that Mayday may be taking the p!ss out of us. Take a look at his/her location description for a subtle hint.

Mayday, are you in fact doing this reading and making a sorry defense of your misses in order to make woo-woos look silly? J'accuse!

It is a sad world indeed when parody is indistinguishable from reality. I cite landoverbaptist as proof that there is no hope because we are already in hell.

Of course, should a farce not be in order, it wouldn't be that hard to have personal descriptions go along with scanned hand prints of people the desctription's writers wrote at TAM.

[Donks]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest.
Now you question my integrity? You are a real piece of work, you know that? You make up a bunch of stuff ny looking at my palm, and then you have the gall to accuse me of lying? I'd love to say this experience was a dissappointment, but it wasn't.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by Donks
Now you question my integrity? You are a real piece of work, you know that? You make up a bunch of stuff ny looking at my palm, and then you have the gall to accuse me of lying? I'd love to say this experience was a dissappointment, but it wasn't. Hey Donks, apparently by your assesment mayday got 4 wrong, 1 sorta-maybe, and 1 undeterminable. Could you give an assesment of my reading? I think I gave a much more specific reading. And I clearly have absolutely no idea what I am doing. Therefore, I would expect a much lower score.

I'll break it down for easier assesment:

1. You like to read.
2. You are not non-athletic
3. You don’t participate in many sports.
4a. You have had no major health problems.
4b. You had extended health problems in your 20s and maybe into you 30s
4b2. You have recovered from those extended health problems.
5.You are typically a happy jovial person.
6.You are strong-willed.
7.You are subject to cases of severe shyness or non-confidence.
8.You had a very loving childhood.
9.You have a very loving spouse
10. You have had no serious money problems.

How did I do?

[The Mighty Thor]

When mayday marched in the school band, everybody else was always out of step with her.

[Donks]

Originally posted by DevilsAdvocate
You like to read.
Hit.
You are not non-athletic
Miss. ETA: Forgot: at some times inmy life I have been athletic, and at others a complete slob. Go figure.
but don’t participate in many sports.
Hit as some ponts in my life, miss at others. (I'm taking this to mean that I either don't participate in any sports, or only one or two, instead of meaning that there are many sports I don't participate in, which would be true of anybody).
You either have had no major health problems
Miss. Answer ay depend on meaning of "major health problems."
or possibly had extended health problems in your 20s and maybe into you 30s but you have or will recover
Miss. My health problems are confined to my childhood. They went away as I reached my teens.
You are typically a happy jovial person.
Miss. I'm a typically grouchy.
You are strong-willed
I don't really kow how to rate this. I'd like to think I am, and I see myself as such sometimes, but other times not so much.
but subject to cases of severe shyness of non-confidence.
Hit. Depends on the meaning of "severe."
You had a very loving childhood.
Hit.
You have a very loving spouse, but you have or will have a fallout with your spouse or child that will be painful, but you will regain that love either with that person or another and find greater love.
Miss. Not married.
You will most likely live to an old age and have no serious money problems.
Hit. No. Miss. Or maybe Hiss. How the hell should I know? :D

ETA: Oh damn, you added a convinient breakdown in your post. That would have saved me some effort. Too late, thanks for trying anyways :)

[DevilsAdvocate]

[Well, I would score myself as:

Hit 2
Sorta 4
Miss 5

The palmist was

Hit 0
Sorta 2
Miss 4

So I think I did better with random guessing. I have no scientific proof, but my hunch is that the distribution o accuracy of my guesses would be sort of normal for random guesses of the precision I gave. Accuracy for more vague generalizations given by mayday should have been higher. Somehow, the palmists turned out actually worse. ;)

[mayday]

I think the fellow earlier had the right idea. We need to have an interview by a reliable third party who can verify the results.

[Donks]

Originally posted by mayday
I think the fellow earlier had the right idea. We need to have an interview by a reliable third party who can verify the results.
Use whichever protocol you like. Will you still question everyone's honesty when you fail miserablY?

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by mayday
Donks, you know what I am saying is accurate, but if you were to admit it was so then that would kind of throw a blanket on your world view.
You are not being honest. This is the weirdest thing about woos.

As I may have remarked before.

Their fantasy world needs to be extended to what other people think and feel and believe --- no matter what they actually say, or how they actually behave.

In mayday's "own little world" (has ever a location been more apt?) Donks is an extrovert. She said so, and, in her "own little world", she is never wrong. So he's an extrovert... and a liar. And so she dreams of communicating with the dead, and is incapable of communicating with the living.

As to the question of whether she's pulling our legs... she's too identikit. A prankster, I hope, would be more original and funnier.

[Flo]

Palmistry (n): The 947th method (according to Mimbleshaw's classification) of obtaining money by false pretences. It consists in "reading the character" in the wrinkles made by closing the hand. The pretence is not altogether false; character can really be read very accurately in this way, for the wrinkles in every hand submitted plainly spell the word "dupe." The imposture consists in not reading it aloud. (Ambrose Bierce)

[Odin]

on this thread:http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52587&perpage=40&pagenumber=3
is a link to a site that can encrypt text so people could use this to post thse descriptions.

[Lisa Simpson]

I don't think encryption or a third party will be necessary. I think it's time to let mayday and everyone else in on a little secret.

This palm:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/handright.jpg

And this palm:

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/7482/600x450righthand25iu.th.jpg (http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=600x450righthand25iu.jpg)

Are one and the same. They are both mine.

But mayday came up with two dissimilar readings.

For the first palm--

lone wolf type you like to be free as the air, you hate to waste time and energy, you are conventional, generous, you excel at problem solving, good at lateral thinking, gravitate toward emergency services, like fire, cops, ambulance, you are strong in tradition, do not like to break rules but you love change.

For the second palm--

you have a strongly physical attitude toward life, you're enthusiastic, have a sparkling nature, zest for life and you play the supporting role in a relationship.


Perhaps this was sneaky on the part of myself and Azrael. However, I think it shows a basic truth of palmreading. It's bullsh!t. And If anyone needs an adjustment of their belief system or worldview, it's mayday.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I don't think encryption or a third party will be necessary. I think it's time to let mayday and everyone else in on a little secret.

This palm:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/Paparazzi/handright.jpg

And this palm:

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/7482/600x450righthand25iu.th.jpg (http://img195.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img195&image=600x450righthand25iu.jpg)

Are one and the same. They are both mine.

But mayday came up with two dissimilar readings.

For the first palm--



For the second palm--




Perhaps this was sneaky on the part of myself and Azrael. However, I think it shows a basic truth of palmreading. It's bullsh!t. And If anyone needs an adjustment of their belief system or worldview, it's mayday.

chuckle... giggle...snort... guffaw...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Odin]

:D :D :D
A trap like that was cunning.

[B.S]

My palms were really mine, so they are still available for reading. It seems to be taking an awful long time. Maybe research is being done? Hmmm ...

[Donks]

Originally posted by B.S
My palms were really mine, so they are still available for reading. It seems to be taking an awful long time. Maybe research is being done? Hmmm ...
Palm reading is amazing, it trully is. I found out everything I though about myself, and what everyone I know thinks about me, is wrong. Now if I can force myself to act the way my palm tells me I should...

[B.S]

I'm sure that if you spent the day going around to twenty palm readers ( or psychics, or mediums, or whatever ) that at the end of the day you would have twenty significantly different profiles of yourself, ... and a bad headache.

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by Odin
:D :D :D
A trap like that was cunning.
Mayday fell right into it! I did hint to her in an earlier post that there was a glaring thing she'd missed!! :D
Maybe LIsa could have held off a bit longer though....;)

[Lisa Simpson]

I thought about holding off a little longer, but it seemed a decent place to jump in with the truth.

BTW, none of the readings, mayday's or DevilsAdvocate's, was particularly accurate for me.

[TruthSeeker]

Lisa, I think you have nice hands.

That's all they tell me about you though :(

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Lisa, I think you have nice hands.

That's all they tell me about you though :(

Not me...

I see a coniving person who is good at bluffing. Clearly someone who is good at Internet Poker. I'm getting an image of a young smart woman whose father is bald and whose brother is a brat and a trouble maker. :D

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by voodoochile
Not me...

I see a coniving person who is good at bluffing. Clearly someone who is good at Internet Poker. I'm getting an image of a young smart woman whose father is bald and whose brother is a brat and a trouble maker. :D

I knew this without seeing her palms. My angel guide told me :D

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
I knew this without seeing her palms. My angel guide told me :D

How come everyone gets angel guides but me? That does it, I am filing a formal protest with god and going on strike...:p

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by voodoochile
Not me...

I see a coniving person who is good at bluffing. Clearly someone who is good at Internet Poker. I'm getting an image of a young smart woman whose father is bald and whose brother is a brat and a trouble maker. :D

But you missed the fact that I play the saxophone. That alone should be obvious from my hands.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by voodoochile
How come everyone gets angel guides but me? That does it, I am filing a formal protest with god and going on strike...:p

shush...go here for a message from your angel guides (http://www.consciousone.com/angelcards/angelcardsview.cfm?CFID=28910&CFTOKEN=39027358)


Tell them I said hi. Thanks

[Odin]

Those are the most disturbing looking angels I have seen.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
But you missed the fact that I play the saxophone. That alone should be obvious from my hands.

I knew that but didn't want to show off. But, since you insist... I also know that your dad recently became an ordained minister via the internet and that his sister-in-law came out of the closet but almost married a man anyway.

What can I say? It's a gift...;)

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by voodoochile
I knew that but didn't want to show off. But, since you insist... I also know that your dad recently became an ordained minister via the internet and that his sister-in-law came out of the closet but almost married a man anyway.

What can I say? It's a gift...;)

Oooh...that's just spooky.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
shush...go here for a message from your angel guides (http://www.consciousone.com/angelcards/angelcardsview.cfm?CFID=28910&CFTOKEN=39027358)


Tell them I said hi. Thanks

My life is already too mundane and all they want me to do is take a freaking sea salt bath... ugh...

WAY WAY WAY too much inner peace and tranquilty for me. I need an angel of bourbon and strippers or something...

[TruthSeeker]

Mine said they were protecting my children, which is interesting as I do not have any children. Maybe they mean children from a previous life? Or perhaps like Donks, I am lying to myself about being childless. Wow.

[mayday]

Hey Lisa, don't get too excited. If you'll notice I informed you the black and white photo was hard to read...looked like you pressed it down on a scanner making it hard to read the lines in the hand...hence, the different readings.

The only way to get a very accurate reading is to make a handprint with ink and paper and then scan it on here, but I was assuming most of the skeptics would not be willing to go through the trouble, so I was offering to do quickies.

If you want honest readings you need to be honest yourself (had you shown the knarled fingers in the black and white photo it would have given you away).

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by mayday
Hey Lisa, don't get too excited. If you'll notice I informed you the black and white photo was hard to read...looked like you pressed it down on a scanner making it hard to read the lines in the hand...hence, the different readings.

The only way to get a very accurate reading is to make a handprint with ink and paper and then scan it on here, but I was assuming most of the skeptics would not be willing to go through the trouble, so I was offering to do quickies.

If you want honest readings you need to be honest yourself.

And the excuses begin...

[Odin]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
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[Donks]

Originally posted by mayday
Hey Lisa, don't get too excited. If you'll notice I informed you the black and white photo was hard to read...looked like you pressed it down on a scanner making it hard to read the lines in the hand...hence, the different readings.

The only way to get a very accurate reading is to make a handprint with ink and paper and then scan it on here, but I was assuming most of the skeptics would not be willing to go through the trouble, so I was offering to do quickies.

If you want honest readings you need to be honest yourself (had you shown the knarled fingers in the black and white photo it would have given you away).
I was honest. You gave me a bunch of nonsense, which was completely inaccurate, then called me a liar. How about you don't talk about honesty? You don't seem to be too familiar with the concept.

[mayday]

Originally posted by Donks
I was honest. You gave me a bunch of nonsense, which was completely inaccurate, then called me a liar. How about you don't talk about honesty? You don't seem to be too familiar with the concept.

Where are you in France? I would love to go to France, maybe try out the year and a half of French I took in college. I've been fantasizing about running away for awhile. I'd like to go somewhere in southern France. Down on the Riviera.

Anyhow...as you say one thing regarding my reading and I said another...the only fair thing to have done was have a third party involved. But we will just have to let a spade be a spade for now, I suppose. At least we are learning the correct way to go about this now. Trial and error.

[voodoochile]

Originally posted by mayday
Where are you in France? I would love to go to France, maybe try out the year and a half of French I took in college. I've been fantasizing about running away for awhile. I'd like to go somewhere in southern France. Down on the Riviera.

Anyhow...as you say one thing regarding my reading and I said another...the only fair thing to have done was have a third party involved. But we will just have to let a spade be a spade for now, I suppose. At least we are learning the correct way to go about this now. Trial and error.

Your WHAT hurts?

I have no idea what you just wrote...

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by mayday
At least we are learning the correct way to go about this now. Trial and error.

Exactly.

We tried.

You erred.

[gnome]

Originally posted by mayday
Hey Lisa, don't get too excited. If you'll notice I informed you the black and white photo was hard to read...looked like you pressed it down on a scanner making it hard to read the lines in the hand...hence, the different readings.

The only way to get a very accurate reading is to make a handprint with ink and paper and then scan it on here, but I was assuming most of the skeptics would not be willing to go through the trouble, so I was offering to do quickies.

If you want honest readings you need to be honest yourself (had you shown the knarled fingers in the black and white photo it would have given you away).

Ask yourself this--if the conditions had been ideal, and you had given two different readings to the same hand, would you be willing to question your own ability?

If the answer is "no", then testing is pointless.

[delphi_ote]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Exactly.

We tried.

You erred.

*applause to all involved*

I hope you think about this, mayday. There was an important lesson in all of that. No shame in being wrong as long as you admit it and move on. As the old saying goes:

"An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." - O. A. Battista

You have all the evidence in front of you. Don't let your pride get the best of you.

[The Fool]

I can tell the fortune of teenage girls by feeling thier breasts. But only after I have had two or three Tequilas and a blast on a joint. Anyone interested in setting up a test for this claim?

[Donks]

Originally posted by mayday
Where are you in France? I would love to go to France, maybe try out the year and a half of French I took in college. I've been fantasizing about running away for awhile. I'd like to go somewhere in southern France. Down on the Riviera.

Near the Italian border. "Near" defined as "there is one department between mine, and the border".