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Luciana
20th February 2005, 01:13 PM
It was nominated for the Oscar on the Foreign Film and Best Make-up categories. The movie won many awards in Europe. It is a shame that actor Javier Bardem hasn’t been nominated for the Oscar, but then we know the Oscars aren’t serious anyway.

Alejandro Amenábar was the director “The Others” (with Nicole Kidman), “Abre los Ojos”, the movie that inspired “Vanilla Sky” and “La lengua de las mariposas”. My favorite is the latter – if you have a chance, watch it.

It is the true story of Jamon Sampredro, a man who had been a quadriplegic for 28 years, and who is fighting in the Spanish courts for the right for euthanasia. He hires a lawyer, herself a sufferer of a degenerative disease, to help him accomplish that.

Jamon’s conversation with a priest is rather humorous, and from an atheist’s point of view, is priceless. The Catholic Church is nothing short of mocked throughout the movie. It is shown as insensitive, judgmental and inflexible. It is also very moving when, by the end, Jamon’s friend asks him to send a signal to her after he is dead. He says he doesn’t believe in an afterlife. He is not sure there isn’t afterlife, but he feels there isn’t, and he is happy with this feeling. Another interesting scene is when his lawyer, standing up in court, asks “if we are in a secular country, why a decision should be based on a metaphysical concept?”

The movie is not anti-religion at all, but I found it very empowering for skeptics and atheists. It is a movie about personal choice and respect for the human life. It is such a relief to hear a tale of death that isn’t about religion.

Jamon Sampedro had an active mind. He wrote poetry, liked to design mechanical inventions, listened to debates on the radio, read a lot. He had a loving family, which cared for his every need. He had friends that came visit him, that told stories of their life, made parties for him. He had a good vista from his window. There was even a lady, mother of two, who claimed to love him. Still, he wanted to die. He felt that life was a right, not an obligation, and that, lucid and sane, he had chosen death. His brother wouldn’t conform, and wouldn’t allow suicide in his home. His father once said “worse than having a son die, is to have a son that wants to die”.

But the movie isn’t as depressing as it sounds. There are many funny and light-hearted moments, and you won’t leave the theater with a weight in your shoulders. Actually, it is very likely you’ll cry while at it, but leave the feelings there. I can’t remember the last time I cried in a movie, and I particularly dislike tear-jerking movies, the kind that is built to make you cry, but this one makes it feel easy and natural. My tears came on the happy moments, not in the sad ones.

Unfortunately, it has to be said that the movie could have been bolder. The reality probably wasn’t that pretty – it is likely he wasn’t that loved, didn’t keep that good humor, had financial restraints. I also take issue that in any movie about death always includes the birth of a baby as a counterpoint. It is patronizing and condescending.

All in all, it has to be one of the best movies of 2004, and one that should be watched.

Has anyone seen it already? Please post your impressions!

The Central Scrutinizer
20th February 2005, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by Luciana Nery
All in all, it has to be one of the best movies of 2004, and one that should be watched.

Has anyone seen it already? Please post your impressions!

Yep. One of the best films of the year. And, while there are 5 strong performances nominated for Best Actor, I wish they could have made room for one more.

Luciana
21st February 2005, 07:28 AM
And oh, only now I noticed, I put it on the wrong forum. Sigh. But I got one thing right - the movie is good.

El Greco
23rd February 2005, 02:27 PM
Best film of 2004, period. It also gets a place in my list of great atheist movies.

Rosa: -"If there is an afterlife, do you promise you'll send me a sign ?"
Ramon: -"Of course I will, but to tell you the truth I don't really think that anything happens after we die. It is like what it was before we were born: nothing at all"
Rosa: -"But you can't be sure about this, can you ?"
Ramon: -"No, of course I can't. Let's just call it an intuition"

Luciana
23rd February 2005, 03:00 PM
Yes, El Greco.

He was a man who was eager to die. But he did not believe in an afterlife. He was happy knowing he would die, and this would be it.

Just perfect.

The Central Scrutinizer
24th February 2005, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Luciana Nery
Yes, El Greco.

He was a man who was eager to die. But he did not believe in an afterlife. He was happy knowing he would die, and this would be it.

Just perfect.

Yep. A great film and a great performance.

Peskanov
28th February 2005, 11:36 AM
Luciana, it's Ramon, not Jamon.
Jamon means "ham" in Spanish :D
(Btw, I have not seen the film. I will sooner or later, I hope).

Luciana
28th February 2005, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Peskanov
Luciana, it's Ramon, not Jamon.
Jamon means "ham" in Spanish :D


:D

The saddest thing of all is that I know that "jamon" means ham. But I mix everything up in Spanish, mostly because of its similarity with Portuguese. If I wrote a full paragraph, you'd understand what I meant, but would be laughing uproariously for days. :D

Cleopatra
1st March 2005, 09:29 AM
Now that it won the Oscar more people will choose to see this great film. Although it's about a practice I am stronly against it I was terribly moved by this film. It is real without being melodramatic, I particularly liked the female figures. Their contrast demonstrated the two sides of the issue and in between it was this man's need to oppose to beliefs that infringe rights. I strongly recommend it.

Peskanov
1st March 2005, 05:18 PM
Luciana, it's cool you know English and still work to learn a bit of Spanish. I have no idea of French or Portuguese, and I have both countries very close...
BTW, I don't think the title of the film is correctly translated. "Mar adentro" is used as a location in Spanish. When sailing, going "mar adentro" means going far from the coast. I think the title of the film talks about Sampedro navigating in his own mind, losing hmiself in his thoughts.

I have seen other Oscar candidate, "The downfall" (Der untergang), and I was very impressed with the film. I am dubious "Mar adentro" is better that "The downfall", I would like to ear the opinion of somebody who has seen both.

The Central Scrutinizer
1st March 2005, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Peskanov
I have seen other Oscar candidate, "The downfall" (Der untergang), and I was very impressed with the film. I am dubious "Mar adentro" is better that "The downfall", I would like to ear the opinion of somebody who has seen both.

I have seen both. Both are very, very good, but The Sea Inside is slightly better. Downfall ran about 20 minutes too long, and they could have done away with the little side story about the boy soldier.

El Greco
2nd March 2005, 12:02 PM
---- SPOILERS WARNING ----

There's a video on eMule captured from Spanish channel Antenna3 which tells some details about the real story and also shows the real Ramon drinking the poison. There are also some sites out there which say that -unlike the movie- Ramon suffered in pain and agony for about 45 minutes before he died. They also say that Rosa was helping Ramon for the money. I don't know what money or whether these stories are true.