Proof of hell and eternal torture after death

[jambo372]

Someone posted the following link in another thread :

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

This citation gives details on how scientists can prove the existence of hell and have discovered it's location. It also gives evidence of eternal torment after death for certain people.

Light a candle and try to hold a fingertip in the flame for 20 seconds. If you thinks this is sore think again. Hell feels much worse than this. The burning sensation continues day and night affecting the whole body, the temperature many many times higher than that of the candle flame. It lasts forever. Not a second, a minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, an average life expectency, a century, a millenium ... it NEVER ends.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by jambo372
Someone posted the following link in another thread :

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

This citation gives details on how scientists can prove the existence of hell and have discovered it's location. It also gives evidence of eternal torment after death for certain people.

Not Dr. Rawlings!!!

Jambo--are you channeling 1inC?

[Hawk one]

So, let's see, thee people don't know that the core of the earth is most likely solid and not on fire at all, they use the Bible as a scientific textbook, and they are backed up by YEC Peter Morris... Yep, sounds totally, 100% credible, all right. :rolleyes:

Are you trying to scare anyone with this or something?

[geni]

http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.htm

[Psiload]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Not Dr. Rawlings!!!

Jambo--are you channeling 1inC?

Seriously, jambo...

I've already updated the "Stupidest thing I've ever seen in my whole life." tote board the last time 1 in C offered this same "Proof of Hell" nonsense.

To avoid future embarrassment, you might want to peruse this page of Christian urban legends:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cul4.htm

[Odin]

Originally posted by jambo372

Light a candle and try to hold a fingertip in the flame for 20 seconds. If you thinks this is sore think again. Hell feels much worse than this. The burning sensation continues day and night affecting the whole body, the temperature many many times higher than that of the candle flame. It lasts forever. Not a second, a minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, an average life expectency, a century, a millenium ... it NEVER ends.

Why would this bother a spirtual being?

[jambo372]

To avoid future embarrassment, you might want to peruse this page of Christian urban legends:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cul4.htm [/B][/QUOTE]

This does NOT disprove that hell isn't under the earth's crust.

[AngrySteve]

Ok Smarty Pants Jambo

The hot stuff under the Earth's crust is physical.
It relates to THIS world

Now think about what happens after a person dies. As the physical body decays, so do the nerves that are responsible for registering pain. As the brain decays as well

It does not demonstrate joined up thinking to say that after death people damned to hell will be tortured somewhere underneath the Earth's crust

In fact, when you stop to think about it for just a few seconds, it is a ludicrous suggestion

When a person dies, you can't kill them a second time. Torture seems futile. The world of the spirit, assuming that such a thing exists, doesn't feature people with physical bodies, so no physical body means no brain, no nerve endings, therefore no pain can be experienced.

All this fearmongering is put out by people that
1) Fear of death
2) Getting people to conform to religious beliefs

[Vortex]

Originally posted by jambo372
Someone posted the following link in another thread :

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

This citation gives details on how scientists can prove the existence of hell and have discovered it's location. It also gives evidence of eternal torment after death for certain people.
Scientists? Evidence? LOL. What a trippy site! The charts on it look about as comicbookish as John Hagee's childish Revelation charts. Oooh, I'm scared! Just curious, jambo, does that mean that there are trillions and trillions of hells since every single planet in the universe is going to have an extremely hot core? Fundy nutiness never ceases to amaze.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by jambo372

This does NOT disprove that hell isn't under the earth's crust.

LMAO!

Jambo.... does hell consist of a large hollow pocket in the center of the Earth?

Because if it does, we could detect it.

[Jeff Corey]

A version of Dante's "Inferno" illustrated by Gary Larsen
or Ralph Steadman.

[Chocolate Chip]

From Here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ac624170c21.htm
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that ... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E) temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed, however Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." For a lake of brimstone to remain molton means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point of brimstone which is 444.6C. We therefore prove that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C."

To sum up Jambo, you'd be worse off in heaven.

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by jambo372
...Light a candle and try to hold a fingertip in the flame for 20 seconds. If you thinks this is sore think again. Hell feels much worse than this. The burning sensation continues day and night affecting the whole body, the temperature many many times higher than that of the candle flame. It lasts forever. Not a second, a minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, an average life expectency, a century, a millenium ... it NEVER ends.

So, all this because I touched myself in an impure manner? Many, many times!!! :p

Sorry, I'll risk it.

[Zep]

Yer hat's too tight, Jambo...

[SezMe]

... remove the tinfoil....

[ebola]

I have absolutely conclusive proof of the existence of Satan:

3.2 beer

The only real problem with hell is that the ambient temperature is ( allegedly ) greater than the flash point of alcohol.

Eric

[Monera Man]

From the lecture "Sinners
in the Hands of an Angry God"
A sermon preached July 8th 1741
By Jonathan Edwards, A.M.

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Your wickedness makes you as it were heavy as lead, and to tend downwards with great weight and pressure towards hell; and if God should let you go, you would immediately sink and swiftly descend and plunge into the bottomless gulf, and your healthy constitution, and your own care and prudence, and best contrivance, and all your righteousness, would have no more influence to uphold you and keep you out of hell, than a spider's web would have to stop a falling rock. Were it not for the sovereign pleasure of God, the earth would not bear you one moment; for you are a burden to it; the creation groans with you; the creature is made subject to the bondage of your corruption, not willingly; the sun does not willingly shine upon you to give you light to serve sin and Satan; the earth does not willingly yield her increase to satisfy your lusts; nor is it willingly a stage for your wickedness to be acted upon; the air does not willingly serve you for breath to maintain the flame of life in your vitals, while you spend your life in the service of God's enemies. God's creatures are good, and were made for men to serve God with, and do not willingly subserve to any other purpose, and groan when they are abused to purposes so directly contrary to their nature and end. And the world would spew you out, were it not for the sovereign hand of him who hath subjected it in hope. There are the black clouds of God's wrath now hanging directly over your heads, full of the dreadful storm, and big with thunder; and were it not for the restraining hand of God, it would immediately burst forth upon you. The sovereign pleasure of God, for the present, stays his rough wind; otherwise it would come with fury, and your destruction would come like a whirlwind, and you would be like the chaff on the summer threshing floor.

The wrath of God is like great waters that are dammed for the present; they increase more and more, and rise higher and higher, till an outlet is given; and the longer the stream is stopped, the more rapid and mighty is its course, when once it is let loose. It is true, that judgment against your evil works has not been executed hitherto; the floods of God's vengeance have been withheld; but your guilt in the mean time is constantly increasing, and you are every day treasuring up more wrath; the waters are constantly rising, and waxing more and more mighty; and there is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, that holds the waters back, that are unwilling to be stopped, and press hard to go forward. If God should only withdraw his hand from the flood-gate, it would immediately fly open, and the fiery floods of the fierceness and wrath of God, would rush forth with inconceivable fury, and would come upon you with omnipotent power; and if your strength were ten thousand times greater than it is, yea, ten thousand times greater than the strength of the stoutest, sturdiest devil in hell, it would be nothing to withstand or endure it.

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart, by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety, were nothing but thin air and empty shadows.

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you were suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.


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Living in fear. No thanks.

[Ossai]

AngrySteve
When a person dies, you can't kill them a second time. Torture seems futile. The world of the spirit, assuming that such a thing exists, doesn't feature people with physical bodies, so no physical body means no brain, no nerve endings, therefore no pain can be experienced. Actually you’re a bit off on this one. Having been raised Baptist I speak from experience on this one. They believe upon the return of Jesus that they, the true believers, will be given unblemished bodies (ie physical bodies). It doesn’t take much to assume that non-believers would be given bodies as well just so god could torture them.

Ossai

[Ashles]

Sounds awful Jambo.

Imagine how frightened I might be if I were the sort of person who has pretended to be a charity worker and stolen the money that innocent people donate to spend on myself.

Tha'd be the sort of person who should worry about such things.
That'd be the sort of person who'll be visiting that place of eternal torment.

Luckily I don't do that sort of stuff and I never have.

You'd have to feel real sorry for anyone who had wouldn't you Jambo?

[sackett]

Welcome, Monera Man! You know the REAL fire and brimstone! "Sinners" is my all-time favorite sermon.

We're told that Edwards would read his famous sermon (he gave it many times; trust a dog-collar to recycle good stuff) in a quiet voice, leaning one elbow on the pulpit; no Methodist bellowing for him. The effect on his hearers was dramatic, all the more so, I'm sure, because of the sober delivery: people wept, literally gnashing their teeth. There was groaning and crying out. Many souls came to creeping Jesus from hearing "Sinner in the Hands etc."

Jam Boy's got a new plaything. Let's watch him fumble with it.

Where's that snoring icon when you need it?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by jambo372
To avoid future embarrassment, you might want to peruse this page of Christian urban legends:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cul4.htm I'm confused. Whose embarrassment are we trying to avoid? The link you provided, "Christian Urban Legends", says the following about the "hell hole" story:Ship of Fools website personnel traced the story back through a series of letters to editors and various Christian newsletters. The originator of the "bat out of hell" addition admitted that it was a fabrication, intended as a joke to prove how some religious folk will accept a totally outrageous story without checking it out. The Biblical Archeology Review printed a story about the Well to Hell story, intending it to be humorous. They figured that the story was so outrageous that nobody would treat it seriously. But many of their readers did. Of course, there was no deep well to Hell, and no sounds of the damned. However, you can hear an online recording that is claimed to contain the screams of the inhabitants of Hell.
Did you not check this story out before totally buying into it?
This does NOT disprove that hell isn't under the earth's crust. True, it does not disprove it, but it is very far from being, as you claimed, "proof of hell and eternal torture after death".

You really ought to think these things out before you decide to believe one way or the other about it.

[Lisa Simpson]

Jambo didn't post the Christian Urban Legends link, Psiload did. Jambo just didn't manage to quote properly. Probably his fingers were just shaking too bad from fear of the eternal hellfire.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Jambo didn't post the Christian Urban Legends link, Psiload did. Jambo just didn't manage to quote properly. Probably his fingers were just shaking too bad from fear of the eternal hellfire. Ah, I see. That's why there were dangling bold and quote tags. My mistake.

[Correa Neto]

Well, 1inJambo...

During my life I´ve done caving, worked in underground mines and a lot of drilling.

I never found any evidence of HELL, neither have any of the geologists, speleologists, cavers, and underground workers I´ve met. Neither I know of any demon showing up at a drill rig complaining that his house´s walls were holed by the drilling bit...

Neither I know of any serious geophisicist who claimed to have found HELL.

The claims you posted are totally bogus. The good news are- you can turn off your bedroom´s lamp, there´s no demon hiding under your bed waiting to burn your soul.

[Dr Adequate]

Oh, look, jambo's going to Hell.

Leviticus 20:6. And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27. A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:10. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. 11. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Isaiah 8:19. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

[Beerina]

If there were such a Hell, I'd be very sad. Unless it were reserved for the truly reprehensible, the idea of unbaptized babies born 40,000 years before Jesus lying in indescribable agony for all eternity makes me want to barf.

Who would worship such a POS god?

[c4ts]

Originally posted by jambo372
Someone posted the following link in another thread :

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

This citation gives details on how scientists can prove the existence of hell and have discovered it's location. It also gives evidence of eternal torment after death for certain people.

Light a candle and try to hold a fingertip in the flame for 20 seconds. If you thinks this is sore think again. Hell feels much worse than this. The burning sensation continues day and night affecting the whole body, the temperature many many times higher than that of the candle flame. It lasts forever. Not a second, a minute, an hour, a day, a week, a month, an average life expectency, a century, a millenium ... it NEVER ends.

Give it a rest. As we all know, a rudimentary understanding of geography proves that GREAT CTHULHU IS REAL! (http://www.angelfire.com/alt/c4ts/index.html)

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by jambo372
To avoid future embarrassment, you might want to peruse this page of Christian urban legends:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cul4.htm
This does NOT disprove that hell isn't under the earth's crust.

It sure doesn't. It doesn't have to. It is the job of the person claimint that hell is under the Earths crust to prove that it IS, not anyone elses job to prove that it isn't.

Try to prove that I am NOT Elvis, and you'll see why this is so.

[c4ts]

While you are at it, prove that the Earth's molten filling is NOT delicious nougat for the asbestos faeries!

[Psiload]

jambo is proof that Hell is not under the Earth's crust.

jambo is proof that , "Hell is other people."

[Tricky]

How many times have we heard "he ascended into heaven" or some such directional phrase. That can only mean that Heaven is "up". Heck, I've even seen pictures in Christian literature of Jesus moving upward into the air. We even use the litte "h" heaven to describe things that are above us. So it is pretty well established that Heaven is up.

Now what happens as you go up? It gets cold. Damn cold. All you have to do is look at the tops of mountains to see how cold it is. No sane mountain climber would scale a high peak without cold weather gear. So obviously, Heaven is colder than a witch's tit in a brass brassiere*. One would think that all the depictions of angels would have them wearing fur suits and mittens, but no. Most of the depictions of angels I have ever seen have them wearing what looks like a bedsheet. At best, they are dressed in "normal" clothing, certainly not thermal stuff. Angels should be freezing their asses off!

Now I'm a southern boy, and I'll tell you with no hesitation that I'd rather be too hot than too cold. I'll take the sweaty Houston summers any day, just keep me away from those miserable Chicago winters. (I had to visit Aberdeen in February one year. Brrrr! No wonder those folks invented scotch.)

So if it is climate that we need to consider in our choice of afterlife destinations, then sign me up for Hellhole Condos.


*Note: Witches' tits are not actually cold under normal circumstances. Trust me.

[TragicMonkey]

If Hell is located inside Earth, then what happens when humanity eventually starts colonizing other planets? If a sinner dies in space, or on another planet, would they be sent back to Earth? Or would they go to the interior of the nearest planet instead? Would that planet have a Hell of it's own? One with no inhabitants until the first humans show up?

Could we emigrate from Earth to another planet, then trigger the Sun to supernova, thus destroying Hell?

Where is Heaven? Is it orbiting Earth, high in the atmosphere, with some sort of cloaking device so we don't see it? Is that why satellites malfunction sometimes, because they pass through invisible Heaven and smack into angels?

[thatguywhojuggles]

When I was a kid living in Bolivia I used to sneak into graveyards at night with friends, and we would find caskets and open them so we could see inside them. In Bolivia, poorer people can't afford to buy a plot of land to burry their dead, so they rent a space in a wall for five years. Then after five years, the bodies are removed and burned. This apparently was a multiple day process because we would always find coffins laying about waiting to be burned.

After five years there is not much more than bones left of a human body.

Now this idea of hell intrigues me. Obviously when people feel physical pain from excessive heat, they generally require a physical body to do so. It is obvious, from my observations as a mischevious child that my body, like the dead ones my friends and I would sneak a peak, will eventually decompose.

So in order to survive for eternity in scortching heat and fire, I need to be given a new body. And not just any kind of body. This body will have super powers. It will be able to withstand incredible amounts of heat for a very long period of time. Unfortunately though, as punishment for not being a God Fearing Christian, The part of my new body that feels pain will be quite operational.

But what a body! Imagine it. If you could somehow escape hell, you could become like a super hero.

"I am hell escaped, Fire Boy! You can try to kill me with your flame throwers, Professor Infinity, but you won't be able to. It will hurt like hell. But you can never destroy me!!!"

Think of all the adventures he could have!

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by jambo372
...

This does NOT disprove that hell isn't under the earth's crust.

It also doesn't disprove that a giant Malted Milkball isn't under the Earth's crust...

[Robin]

Originally posted by Beerina
If there were such a Hell, I'd be very sad. Unless it were reserved for the truly reprehensible, the idea of unbaptized babies born 40,000 years before Jesus lying in indescribable agony for all eternity makes me want to barf.

Who would worship such a POS god?
I agree - some choice.

Spend eternity being tortured in Hell or spend eternity in the presence of the sort of Mind that thought up this obscenity in the first place. I'd go for the first - it sounds much less painful.

The idea of a just, loving and merciful God torturing people for eternity because they wouldn't worship him is what turned me off Christianity in the first place.

Why do people keep posting this kind of idiocy?

[jambo372]

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
Oh, look, jambo's going to Hell.

Leviticus 20:6. And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27. A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:10. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. 11. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Isaiah 8:19. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20. To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

How can I be sure that being a spiritualist will send me to hell ?
Some of the stuff written may contradict each other.

The people who said it were after all prophets in other words people who act as 'mediums to God'.

[Vortex]

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Could we emigrate from Earth to another planet, then trigger the Sun to supernova, thus destroying Hell?
LOL. Being that the sun is a G-type star it'll go red giant in about another 5 billion years or so and incinerate the earth. What happens to your hell then, jambo? Oops.

[Robin]

Originally posted by jambo372
How can I be sure that being a spiritualist will send me to hell ?
Some of the stuff written may contradict each other.

The people who said it were after all prophets in other words people who act as 'mediums to God'.
The quotes are clear and unambiguous I see no other meaning. Are you saying that the word of the Bible is not necessarily true?

If the word of the Bible is reliable and you are a spiritualist you are bound for Hell, that is certain. Think of all that eternal agony you are destined for.

If the Bible is unreliable then what the hell are you bothering us for?

[jambo372]

Originally posted by Robin
The quotes are clear and unambiguous I see no other meaning. Are you saying that the word of the Bible is not necessarily true?

If the word of the Bible is reliable and you are a spiritualist you are bound for Hell, that is certain. Think of all that eternal agony you are destined for.

If the Bible is unreliable then what the hell are you bothering us for?

I'm not saying the book is unreliable. I'm just saying some areas are open to interpretation. Afterall what prophets do is RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM GOD. If they can do it, who says mediums can't talk to God ?

[Vortex]

Originally posted by jambo372
Afterall what prophets do is RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM GOD.
Have any evidence for that? Before you post that evidence, though, please show evidence that a god even exists.
If they can do it, who says mediums can't talk to God ?
First, show that they can... then feel free to ask about "mediums".

[Robin]

Originally posted by jambo372
I'm not saying the book is unreliable. I'm just saying some areas are open to interpretation. Afterall what prophets do is RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM GOD. If they can do it, who says mediums can't talk to God ?
Well as I say the quotes are pretty unambiguous. When you say you are a spiritualist do you only talk to God? Or do you communicate with other spirits? If so and the Bible is reliable you are absolutely going to Hell - no room for interpretation there is there?

You ask other people to fear Hell but are willing to risk it yourself on the basis that unambiguous Bible quotes might be open to interpretation? So why should we believe anything you say?

What you precisely saying? That Hell is a physical place but that we have no real way of knowing how to avoid it since the Word of God is endlessly open to interpretation. We will be eternally tortured because we have misinterpreted an ancient and contradictory book?

Can we ask you to sort this stuff out in your own mind before posting instead of wasting our time with this process of making your mind up as you go along?

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by jambo372
I'm not saying the book is unreliable. I'm just saying some areas are open to interpretation.

What's the difference?


Originally posted by jambo372
Afterall what prophets do is RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM GOD. If they can do it, who says mediums can't talk to God ?

"What prophets do" is either MAKE ***** UP or VERBALISE THEIR GUT REACTIONS and tell themselves and others it's "from God".

"Mediums" can of course do the same. And they do. They can talk to god too, if they like. Anyone can, just as they can talk to any number of imaginary or mythical creations. Any answer they feel has been received thereto, however, is a product of their own imagination.

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

bush should order the marines to rescue those people from hell, we have the technology, why dont anybody do something about this!!

[gnome]

If there are aliens, do they go to Earth's hell under the crust?
If Dolphins are sentient beings, do they go to hell also?

[steenkh]

Originally posted by jambo372
Afterall what prophets do is RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM GOD. If they can do it, who says mediums can't talk to God ?
Actually, there are mediums who do exactly that.

I know someone who is devoted to a new Christian sect whose name I have forgotten, and who have mediums communicating with Jesus. They have produced volumes of new writings of Jesus, who it turns out, fully support political correctness, and is all about love and peace, not at all like in the testaments where rich people cannot get into heaven and you should turn an infidel away from your door, and where Jesus himself says that he has come "with the sword":

If these people have something to ask from Jesus, they actually get an answer!

[arthwollipot]

Originally posted by steenkh
Actually, there are mediums who do exactly that.

I know someone who is devoted to a new Christian sect whose name I have forgotten, and who have mediums communicating with Jesus. They have produced volumes of new writings of Jesus, who it turns out, fully support political correctness, and is all about love and peace, not at all like in the testaments where rich people cannot get into heaven and you should turn an infidel away from your door, and where Jesus himself says that he has come "with the sword":

If these people have something to ask from Jesus, they actually get an answer!

If I heard this story during my spiritualist phase, I would have said that they're not communicating with Jesus at all, but with an elemental which was impersonating him and feeding them what they wanted to hear. Same as you'd get from a ouija board.

Now that I'm a skeptic, I'd say that they're making up the answers themselves. Same as you'd get from a ouija board.

[1inChrist]

What are you going to say when you meet Him? God is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

[1inChrist]

No one replied so I'm the winner of the debate tonight. It seems that horrific photograph of the Hellfire spoke more than words ever could.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No one replied so I'm the winner of the debate tonight. It seems that horrific photograph of the Hellfire spoke more than words ever could.

No one replied within 9 minutes, yes.

You are not a winner by anyone's standards.

[ilk]

Originally posted by 1inChrist


http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

Ah, comics. Is there any psychotic rant you don't have a whimsical answer to?

http://catmydog.keenspace.com/d/20041218.html

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Dont worry 1inC, now that we know where the hell is... bush will send some marines to rescue all the poor souls and flood it with cold water!! bush can save the world, again! :D

[jimmygun]

Hell is fire right? Asbestos insulates from fire right? Asbestos has been banned right? Why...to keep people from being wrapped in asbestos robes in asbestos boxes in asbestos crypts? Sounds like the debbal is preparing us for the fire. Something to think about huh?

[Ossai]

1inChrist
God is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.
1. Why was Jesus special – he obviously wasn’t the messiah that was prophesied, as he didn’t fulfill any of the prophesies.
2. If you believe the bible that he rose from the dead and ascended into heaven – then there was no sacrifice – merely a bad weekend – not even three days

Ossai

[Yaotl]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No one replied so I'm the winner of the debate tonight. It seems that horrific photograph of the Hellfire spoke more than words ever could.

Cthulhu is going to have so much fun with you.

[Odin]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What are you going to say when you meet Him? God is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

What do FLAMES taste like?

[alfaniner]

Originally posted by Odin
What do FLAMES taste like?

I'd guess like, oh, the Blazin' Wings at Buffalo Wild Wings...

[TragicMonkey]

He's back! I guess I lost that bet about the Koolaid.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Odin
What do FLAMES taste like?

[Ralph Wiggam]

It tastes like burning.

[/Ralph Wiggam]

Hey, here's a site for 1inC

http://www.truechristian.com

http://www.truechristian.com/atheists.html

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by 1inChrist

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg



Just curious:

Is this a) an actual photograph or b) something someone made up?

Obviously, if a), we should be willing to accept it as some type of proof of eternal hellfire.

However the possibility b) troubles me: if this is the case, would you advise us to choose the fate of our immortal souls based on someone's photoshop invention?

[ahoneycutt]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What are you going to say when you meet Him? God is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

what do you mean "reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ"? Because if by acknowledging that there was a Jesus that was nailed to a cross we all get into heaven, well, that's a pretty simple checklist, and should be something that can be proved. The "going to heaven" part might be a bit difficult to prove, though.

[Robin]

Originally posted by 1inChrist

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?
I have already answered it. If the choice is between that and the sort of mind that could have thought up that obscenity then give me the lake of fire any day.

[ahoneycutt]

I'll make it my Summer Home

[Vortex]

Originally posted by Odin
What do FLAMES taste like?
A bucket of flaming red-hot Tepin Peppers... weeeee.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?
Tell me, will your daughters be there? If so, sign me up!

[Lisa Simpson]

You need a place to sleep, too.

http://img156.exs.cx/img156/5158/summerhome3rs.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Odin]

What are you going to say when you meet Him? God-Jesus is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of God-Jesus shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

[Odin]

No one replied so I'm the winner of the debate tonight. It seems that horrific photograph of God-Jesus spoke more than words ever could.

[hgc]

Originally posted by jambo372
I'm not saying the book is unreliable. I'm just saying some areas are open to interpretation. Afterall what prophets do is RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM GOD. If they can do it, who says mediums can't talk to God ? I am not saying the sky is not blue. I am saying that the sky is orange. Get it? :p

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
[Ralph Wiggam]

It tastes like burning.

[/Ralph Wiggam]

Hey, here's a site for 1inC

http://www.truechristian.com

http://www.truechristian.com/atheists.html

I have a girl crush on you for introducing me to this logic, emphasis mine:

Reality: Everyone including atheists know the Christian god, God is real. We know he is real since we call him God with a capital "G" -- that proves it right there. The more than 2,500 accounted for "gods" are all made up to attempt to draw Christians away from the one True god, God. All these non-Christians hate Christians, as well as God.


Proof by capitalization.

Edit: By the Glory that is sausage and green pepper pizza it gets better.

Censoring it so the board doesn't
.) Myth: Atheists are people to.

Reality: THEY ARE EVIL DEMONS! WRATHFUL AND HATEFUL NI**ER LOVERS!

[Lisa Simpson]

A friend of my eldest skepspawn sent that to him, thinking he'd get a kick out of it. We've debated whether it's real or a joke, but I think it is sadly, sadly real.

[LostAngeles]

It also says that God will kill athiests (I wonder who kills the believers) and exhorts killing athiests on sight. (I did some more reading after that. It also claims Jesus was American, but that's another cookie.)

That last part about killing athiests makes it a little less fun and more scary because even if it is a joke, there are those out there with that thought process.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by LostAngeles
It also says that God will kill athiests (I wonder who kills the believers) and exhorts killing athiests on sight. (I did some more reading after that. It also claims Jesus was American, but that's another cookie.)

That last part about killing athiests makes it a little less fun and more scary because even if it is a joke, there are those out there with that thought process.

Of course Jesus was American. Drove a Chevy, turned water into Bud and watches football.

If it weren't for the fact that they claim membership of 1,500 I would think this is 1inC's garage church.

[jimmygun]

Now I may be wrong and if I am, you can poke me in the eye with a broken drumstick, but isn't Jesus Mexican?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by jimmygun
Now I may be wrong and if I am, you can poke me in the eye with a broken drumstick, but isn't Jesus Mexican?
Common mistake. He's Puerto Rican.

[alfaniner]

No, it's just a mis-hearing of "Hey, Zeus!"

[Neutiquam Erro]

Proof of Hell and Eternal Torture on Earth!

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/Nairobi.jpg

[Jono]

For the sake of philosophical discussion on the etheral diversity, I included below a part from a claimed trancemediumistic message from an enlightened spirit in the next world and a little about his thoughts about heaven and hell.

"Oh it is accepted by many religions just as is heaven, a place in the sky where one sits upon clouds and plays music all day. To some upon earth that itself would appear to be hell. I think my brother I am correct in saying that in the beginning when man first began to think about life, about death, when his mind began to wander; is this the end or a beginning, a new life, continuance of this one. He conceived heaven as a place in the sky, for from there came light, came rain, came warmth, the warmth which enabled him to live. At this time too there were many volcanic eruptions; I know that still you have them today but the earth then was younger even than now, for it cannot be considered an old planet. These eruptions, these fiery furnaces destroyed many and next to the wild creatures who preyed upon man, these happenings, these disasters were the things most feared among mankind. Man then began to believe in a personal god, he had seen or some among them had seen returning spirits, had spoken to them and from there came the idea of God in the form of man, for man could not believe in anything superior to himself. Therefore God was made in the image of man and God, when these disasters occurred became a god of vengeance, one who must be placated; from this stemmed sacrifice, both human and animal and the idea that those who displeased this god would be cast into the thing they most feared, the fires of the erupting volcano. And because this fire came up from the earth the idea that hell was down there and heaven above arose."

The extract above came from the site:
http://freespace.virgin.net/byrne.john/fst/

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Odin
What are you going to say when you meet Him? God-Jesus is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of God-Jesus shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/c4ts/panel17.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/c4ts/GodJesus.gif

[LostAngeles]

Originally posted by Neutiquam Erro
Proof of Hell and Eternal Torture on Earth!

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/Nairobi.jpg

Praise the Lord! For He has cured me of the horrible curse of sight!

[Temporal Renegade]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What are you going to say when you meet Him? God is real and all those who reject the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ shall surely taste the flames of the eternal Hellfire.

http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/fire2.jpg

Are you sure you want this to be your ETERNAL home?

Man, why does Styx singing 'Come Sail Away' keep playing in my head?