The Cross in Space...

[headscratcher4]

http://www.blessitt.com/crossinspace/index.html

Oy!

[Upchurch]

Oy, indeed.

I can't read that title without thinking of the Muppet Show's skit, "Pigs In Spaaaaaace"

[Dustin Kesselberg]

That's about the best response that can be given for things like that.

Obviously an impossibility,and Hopefully the people who claim space first will be secular scientists. People who think of crap like this don't even know the basics of space travel.









P.S.Your sig is massive.

[RandFan]

This sounds like something from a movie where they are mocking the fact that such symbols have become extremly trite (see Buddy Christ from Dogma). The idea is so kitschy that it is hard to comprehend someone actually considering doing this. Some of these folks just don't live in the real world.

[headscratcher4]

Originally posted by Dustin
P.S.Your sig is massive.

you can not contain the brilliance of the Son of the 21st Century...ok, I'll look for new, shorter propoganda.

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I hope they spend billions upon billions upon Billions of church dollars donated from all over the world and build something like this just so china could spend a fraction of that and send a nuke up there and blow it out of the sky.(Not that it is even possible,I can't think of a way it would be.)

[c4ts]

I can't read the link.

[edit:] Never mind, it works now.

The Mission: To put a 2 inch cross in space to orbit around the world.
Gee, you think that picture of the giant cross orbiting the Earth and the claim that it will convert everybody who sees it might be a little bit overblown?

How thrilling to know that the cross of Jesus is lifted up above the earth! Circling this planet all the time. Day and Night the cross will be lifted up. Above wars, poverty, crime, greed, hate and pride the cross will circle in Glory. Jesus said, "People love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil". (John 3:19) The cross will be lifted up above all evil on earth. Also the cross will be above, as a blessing upon the earth. A thrill to every believer in and follower of Jesus to know the cross is above him or her at all times. You can look up at the heavens on a star filled night and know the cross is up there above the earth.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". (Ephesians 6:12)

For sure the Devil hates The Cross! It was there that Jesus died for our sins, shed His Holy Blood, died and then arose again and won the victory over Satan, sin and death.

Now the cross will not only be up 'on' earth but lifted up 'over' the earthly domain of Satan! Glory!

It's a freakin' piece of wood on a satellite! Nobody is going to see it! What is this, idolitry? Oh boy, it sure is great knowing that a stick is up there looking out for me...

[drkitten]

Originally posted by Dustin

Obviously an impossibility,and Hopefully the people who claim space first will be secular scientists. People who think of crap like this don't even know the basics of space travel.



What's impossible about putting a 2-inch cross into a polar orbit?

[Odin]

This site (http://www.memorialspaceflight.com/) is what they are using to put it up.

[drkitten]

Originally posted by Odin
This site (http://www.memorialspaceflight.com/) is what they are using to put it up.

And? Surface-to-orbit transport from Vandenberg has been a major industry for a while yet.

[Timble]

I doubt that it's even the first cross in space, some of the astronauts have been practicing Christians, so I expect the odd crosses and Bibles have made it into space among the crews personal items.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Timble
I doubt that it's even the first cross in space, some of the astronauts have been practicing Christians, so I expect the odd crosses and Bibles have made it into space among the crews personal items.

Yes, but they weren't true Christians therefore those Bibles and crosses were EVIL!

[Odin]

Originally posted by new drkitten
And? Surface-to-orbit transport from Vandenberg has been a major industry for a while yet.
Nothing, just pointing it out.





How much will it cost them?

[TragicMonkey]

Why didn't anybody make a big deal like this when they sent a monkey into orbit?

How thrilling to know that the monkey is lifted up above the earth! Circling this planet all the time. Day and Night the monkey will be lifted up. Above wars, poverty, crime, greed, hate and pride the monkey will circle in Glory. Jesus said, "People love monkeys rather than apes because their deeds are funny". (John 3:19) The monkey will be lifted up above all evil on earth. Also the monkey will be above, as a blessing upon the earth. A thrill to every believer in and follower of monkeys to know the monkey is above him or her at all times. You can look up at the heavens on a star filled night and know the monkey is up there above the earth.


eta: And for part of the time, that monkey was crapping into a diaper, which must have been worth extra blessings for anyone beneath it, looking up and marvelling at the heavens.

[thatguywhojuggles]

If an up side down cross is a symbol of satanism. How does a cross handle in a weightless environment.

[LawnOven]

If god had meant crosses to fly...

[Cthulhu]

Was it a comedian that said something along the lines of:

"If on the outside chance jesus did exist, and he does come back, do you really think the first thing he would want to see is the device that was used to kill him?"

[Odin]

The cross in orbit:

http://www.blessitt.com/crossinspace/ppl.gif

I think that he's trying to shoot it down...

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Odin
The cross in orbit:

http://www.blessitt.com/crossinspace/ppl.gif

I think that he's trying to shoot it down...


The funny thing is that the people seem far more interested in the crescent moon.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Odin
The cross in orbit:

http://www.blessitt.com/crossinspace/ppl.gif

I think that he's trying to shoot it down...

Because a two inch cross inside a sattelite looks that big in orbit at night, especially when it isn't lit up...

[H3LL]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
Was it a comedian that said something along the lines of:

"If on the outside chance jesus did exist, and he does come back, do you really think the first thing he would want to see is the device that was used to kill him?"

Bill Hicks:

"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back, he's really going to want to see a (rule 8) cross? Ow! Maybe that's why he hasn't shown up yet...it's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant...just thinking of John..."

Edited to add another one..Because it's funny...

"Unbelievable. And you know what's wild, people's, attitudes in the States about it. Talking about Kennedy, people come up to me: "Bill, quit talking about Kennedy, man. Let it go. It's a long time ago - just forget about it."And I'm like alright, then don't bring up Jesus to me! As long as we're talking shelf life here. "Bill, you know Jesus died for you." Yeah, well it was a long time ago. Forget about it!"

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
The funny thing is that the people seem far more interested in the crescent moon.



heh, there go the silly christians, putting a 2 inch representation of their religion in space. Guess they were feeling a little inadequete as most other religions already have large celestial bodies in orbit (or that we orbit..)

[gnome]

Actually this gave me a question...

What if, with the advent of private space programs, someone decides to build something in orbit that is lit up, and visible from the ground?

True, it could be only an eighth of a degree of angular width, but once the door is open... ugh.
:(

[Kopji]

AND NOW (drum roll...) live from the site!
!!!THE WORD!!!

Begin Angelic choir singing Handel...
Halleljuah halleljuah...

"Then the Sign of the Son of Man will appear in the Sky!
Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will
see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory"
(APOSTLE JOHN!)

for the lord God omnipotent reigneth...

"And I, if I am lifted up from the Earth will draw all unto Me"
(SON OF GOD JESUS!)

da da da da. da da da da...

"Like a Faithful Witness in the Sky"
(GREAT KING DAVID!)

haleeeeljuiah! bom bom bom

"Now see my witness in the Sky!"
(SUFFERING JOB!)

king of kings

"The glory of the coming of the Lord is at Hand"
(GOD TO Arthur Blessitt!)

aaahhhhh mennnnnn
Crashing Timphany

Yeah right.
Ah what humility.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by gnome
What if, with the advent of private space programs, someone decides to build something in orbit that is lit up, and visible from the ground? That's what I thought they were doing. A little thinking and I would have realized it was unlikely.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
The funny thing is that the people seem far more interested in the crescent moon.



Gotta compete with the other religions somehow. The Muslims have their crescent moon and the Jews have their stars in the sky, but does anyone see a giant cross flying around?

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by c4ts
Gotta compete with the other religions somehow. The Muslims have their crescent moon and the Jews have their stars in the sky, but does anyone see a giant cross flying around?

Yes. http://www.dibonsmith.com/cru_con.htm

[alfaniner]

Hey, there's already a cross in the sky. Have not the Northern-hemispheric masses heard of the Southern Cross??

I guess Jeebuz was only meant for Ozzies, eh??

[arthwollipot]

Wow. All my life I've looked up at the Southern Cross. I can't remember a time when I didn't know what it was. I learned how to find the south celestial pole by drawing the perpendicular bisector of the Pointers (Alpha and Beta Centauri) and locating its intersection with the major axis of the cross. I have seen it as a symbol on flags, icons, tourist souveniers and car bonnets.

Never once have I seen it used as a symbol for Christianity.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by arthwollipot
Wow. All my life I've looked up at the Southern Cross. I can't remember a time when I didn't know what it was. I learned how to find the south celestial pole by drawing the perpendicular bisector of the Pointers (Alpha and Beta Centauri) and locating its intersection with the major axis of the cross. I have seen it as a symbol on flags, icons, tourist souveniers and car bonnets.

Never once have I seen it used as a symbol for Christianity.

Well, the cross was in use as a symbol before Christianity. And it's also a popular letter!

The funny thing about the Crux constellation was that it used to be part of another constellation, until someone decided it ought to be independent.

Which is why I've decided that we don't really need the constellation Draco anymore. From now on, it's two constellations: Draco Malfoy Smacking Harry Potter Upside His Fool Head, and The Monkey Sipping A Frosty Margarita And Idly Flipping Channels While Waiting For The Simpsons To Come On. You have to use your imagination to connect the stars the right way to see these celestial images, but it's totally worth the effort.

[jimmygun]

I'd seriously like to see the US or someone else fire off a nuclear bomb in obital space, at night of course. I would pay to see that kind of fireworks wouldn't you?

They have to get rid of the extra bombs they have so why not pop them up there for a great half time entertainment show? Much better than Janet's funbag!

[Zep]

Oh I see. Well, here's the ACTUAL mission plan:The Mission: To put a 2 inch cross in space to orbit around the world...Why a 2inCross? Why not a 1inChrist?

[Anathema]

Originally posted by Zep
Oh I see. Well, here's the ACTUAL mission plan:Why a 2inCross? Why not a 1inChrist? Hmmmm....You could certainly nail a 1inChrist to a 2" cross....the proportions would be about right. Let's round that boy up --- I'll grab some 2mm brads.

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by thatguywhojuggles
If an up side down cross is a symbol of satanism. How does a cross handle in a weightless environment.

Actually, the upside-down cross is an old Christian symbol known as the cross of St. Peter, and it is still much used by the Vatican (and the pope in particular.) The useage of the upside-down cross (and pentacle) as satanistic symbols is modern -- and pretty darned stupid, really.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally posted by Leif Roar
Actually, the upside-down cross is an old Christian symbol known as the cross of St. Peter, and it is still much used by the Vatican (and the pope in particular.) The useage of the upside-down cross (and pentacle) as satanistic symbols is modern -- and pretty darned stupid, really.

Which is why, when I started a Satanic cult, we used the Happy Face as our symbol. It's convenient, because we didn't have to have stickers or tote bags custom-made. It's all about the tote bags.

[c4ts]

I knew that stupid smiley face was pure evil.

[DarkMagician]

First of all, no one's going to see a two-inch cross from space. F:Dk, I can't even see one all the way down the road. I guess if someone asks if it's passing over their house, it "is".

Second of all, it's supposed to circle the earth every 1.5 hours. How the f:Dk are they going to do that? The further from earth it goes, the faster it has to go, and the closer to earth it goes, the more likely that it'll burn up in Earth's atmosphere.

Third, even if they handle those inconsistencies, they'd have to illuminate the thing, or they really aren't going to convert too many people with a "shadowy cross of doom."

[drkitten]

Originally posted by DarkMagician


Second of all, it's supposed to circle the earth every 1.5 hours. How the f:Dk are they going to do that? The further from earth it goes, the faster it has to go, and the closer to earth it goes, the more likely that it'll burn up in Earth's atmosphere.


According to the Web site (I haven't checked the figures myself), the Cross will be orbiting at a height of about 470 miles. The usual upper limit of the atmosphere is considered to be somewhere between 100-300 miles, depending upon who you talk to. No matter who you talk to, they'll tell you that there isn't that much air at 470 miles up, and that atmosphere friction will be a non-issue.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by Odin
The cross in orbit:

http://www.blessitt.com/crossinspace/ppl.gif

I think that he's trying to shoot it down... This is the best I could do at such short notice.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/NikeYoung/pplfake.gif

[c4ts]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
First of all, no one's going to see a two-inch cross from space. F:Dk, I can't even see one all the way down the road. I guess if someone asks if it's passing over their house, it "is".

Second of all, it's supposed to circle the earth every 1.5 hours. How the f:Dk are they going to do that? The further from earth it goes, the faster it has to go, and the closer to earth it goes, the more likely that it'll burn up in Earth's atmosphere.

Third, even if they handle those inconsistencies, they'd have to illuminate the thing, or they really aren't going to convert too many people with a "shadowy cross of doom."

An object big enough to be seen as a recognizable shape from Earth without a telescope has to be huge, even in low Earth orbit. As for lighting, I guess they could build it out of translucent material and strongly light it from the inside, or cover the side facing Earth in LED's. I can't see how it could do anything other than piss off a bunch of astronomers, though. Perhaps when the televangelists launch their first ever communications sattellite, they might attempt something similarly grandiose.

At least they didn't opt for carving a giant Jesus fish into the moon instead.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by gnome
Actually this gave me a question...

What if, with the advent of private space programs, someone decides to build something in orbit that is lit up, and visible from the ground?
i prepared for this. i have a 10 terawatt chemical laser on the roof of my apartment.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by c4ts
An object big enough to be seen as a recognizable shape from Earth without a telescope has to be huge, even in low Earth orbit. As for lighting, I guess they could build it out of translucent material and strongly light it from the inside, or cover the side facing Earth in LED's. I can't see how it could do anything other than piss off a bunch of astronomers, though. Perhaps when the televangelists launch their first ever communications sattellite, they might attempt something similarly grandiose.

At least they didn't opt for carving a giant Jesus fish into the moon instead.

Many satellites are already visable, without any lighting, they reflect the light of the sun, for satellites with a high orbit, they can be visible well into the night. The are metalic, they reflect sunlight. Make on that is a mirror (or disco ball), and you'd get even greater visability. You could put a bunch of foil in space and make it stretch as far as it would go.

My favorite would have to be the iridium satellites, that due to their extremely low orbit, produce an orange reflection at dawn and dusk, it looks kinda light a street lamp in the distance, but even if you are traveling very fast, it doesn't move.

http://www.heavens-above.com/iridiumhelp.asp
http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/MAEL/ag/spotsatl.htm

[RussDill]

Also, not to give them any ideas, but there are some satellites in the sky that travel in groups, and form a triangle traveling across the night sky. Get 6 pieces of foil, and put them in orbit:

............
.....*.....
..* * *..
.....*.....
.....*.....
............

That would be an impressive site, but probably couldn't be seen from a city. Much more impressive than a constellation, because of the speed at which it moves. Course, I'm sure we can think of better shapes to put into space.