'Peace' movement: Anti-war or anti-America?

[Jedi Knight]

The peace movement in America and what it really means. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31827)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/april03WBlarge.jpg

JK

[Tmy]

Peace!??! Who dares to want peace! I say we round up all the peace lovers and kill them!!! Someday we will rid the world of everyone who wants peace.

After that, its puppy stomping time!

[corplinx]

Unfortunately, those who truly believe in true peace have been overshadowed by anarchists, neo-communists, anti-capitalists, and people still mad Gore lost at the peace rallies.

Trust me Jedi, there are people out there who have never supported a war and never will as a matter of their personal principles. They don't fight with cops, destroy public property, or leave a protest in a police wagon.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
The peace movement in America and ...

JK

You made up your mind on this issue months ago, so why are you asking about it now?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by corplinx
Unfortunately, those who truly believe in true peace have been overshadowed by anarchists, neo-communists, anti-capitalists, and people still mad Gore lost at the peace rallies.

Trust me Jedi, there are people out there who have never supported a war and never will as a matter of their personal principles. They don't fight with cops, destroy public property, or leave a protest in a police wagon.

I understand that and I am glad you pointed it out. The problem is, if 99% of those advocating peace are tied into the radical communist groups the article I linked above proves, that has taken away from the voices of those who seek true peace.

Do we ignore the millions of subversives that claim peace but seek to destroy America just because thirty or fourty support peace without seeking to destroy the country?

That is the question.

JK

[headscratcher4]

millions of subversives

Remebering, of course, that math and statistics are not your best subject.....

[Tmy]

99% HA!!!!!

Truth is that 99% of peace demonstrators are peaceful and law abiding non communists. The problem is that the press wont cover them. They rather focus their cameras on the handful who act up. I think the press encourages that type off behavior.

Who here has seen any wild demonstrations first hand???

I want the troops home before any more are killed. You want them where they're being shot at and blown up.

We withdraw the troops, Saddam does nothing... because he hasn't the means to attack the US.

Leave the troops in place, and more will die. Which of us loves the troops more?

I'm not a member of this peace movement, but I support those who are. The message is correct, regardless of who's on the bandwagon.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Do we ignore the millions of subversives that claim peace but seek to destroy America just because thirty or fourty support peace without seeking to destroy the country?



A new McCarthy era. That's what we need. We will get all of anti-America hollywood blacklisted. The bad thing is, every movie after that will have to star Arnold, Tom Selleck, Ron Silver, and Dennis Miller.

Originally posted by corplinx


A new McCarthy era. That's what we need. We will get all of anti-America hollywood blacklisted. The bad thing is, every movie after that will have to star Arnold, Tom Selleck, Ron Silver, and Dennis Miller.
:D

Nice to see a sense of humor lurks in there.

I wish this damn war was over. It's just too divisive.

[Mel]

Originally posted by Estimated Prophet
I want the troops home before any more are killed. You want them where they're being shot at and blown up.

We withdraw the troops, Saddam does nothing... because he hasn't the means to attack the US.

Leave the troops in place, and more will die. Which of us loves the troops more?

I'm not a member of this peace movement, but I support those who are. The message is correct, regardless of who's on the bandwagon.

If we withdraw the troops now, are you prepared to 'wash your hands' of the Iraqi citizens that have made it publicly clear they wanted to overthrow the madman?

We did that in 1991...... I don't think the US's reputation can withstand a repeat of that cruel trick.

As a matter of fact.... we are already seeing things fall apart in Afghanistan because we just cannot finish anything we start.

If we withdraw the troops now, are you prepared to 'wash your hands' of the Iraqi citizens that have made it publicly clear they wanted to overthrow the madman?

Tough situation. My only concern is that more of our troops aren't killed fighting W's war of choice.

[jj]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight



Do we ignore the millions of subversives that claim peace but seek to destroy America just because thirty or fourty support peace without seeking to destroy the country?


JK

Quack.

Quack.

Quack!

Jedi, that statement is a lie right out of Goebbels book of propaganda. Did you really intend to associate with such a lie, or such a liar?

Millions of subversives? You give far too much credit to the average American, and you seem to deliberately seek to destroy the very principles and foundations of this country.

You're the traitor, you're trying to usurp the civil liberties in the USA just like Goebbels did in Germany and McCarthy tried to do in the USA in the 1950's.

There are no "millions of subversives". I'm very sure that some people are deliberate, cynical subversives. I'm just as sure that many people in the "peace" movement are reacting purely on emotion. That many or may not make them less logical than others, but it does not make them "subversives".

Then again, you're the kind of raving lunatic who calls the likes of me a purveyor of "leftism" when I'm to the right of the middle, just not to the right of your fascist nonsense.

You are a traitor, Jedi, turn yourself in, or go fight, if you believe that this is the right thing to do, but stop trying to overthrow the Constitution by your sheer, gibbering hysteria.

By the way ... Why haven't you re-enlisted? Do tell!

[jj]

Originally posted by Estimated Prophet


Tough situation. My only concern is that more of our troops aren't killed fighting W's war of choice.

He has a point, Prophet. Now that we have embarked on this stupidity, I think we have to be at least minimally successful before we do anything that looks like retreat. Remember, the Wahibi stereotype of the "infidel" is "stupid, slow, inept, and cowardly", and thus easily defeated.

If we don't have at least minimal success, the previous attacks on the USA proper will look like pea-shooter sessions in a classroom.

Of course, it didn't have to start in the first place, and Bush and the "new Republicans" will fully share responsibility for every act that happens on US soil. They will, predictably, use those acts in a cynical, deliberate attempt to defeat our civil liberties, and given the current ignorant behavior of much of the population, as exhibited by our own resident lunatic Jedi Knight, may well succeed in doing JUST EXACTLY what the various Muslim Extremists want, turn this country into another regime like the "taliban" had in Afghanistan.

You know, maybe that means that they will fail, on purpose, so as to invite the attacks that will give them license. That's a seriously unpleasant thought, though, and too cynical for even me.

[Vorticity]

Originally posted by corplinx
...there are people out there who have never supported a war and never will as a matter of their personal principles. They don't fight with cops, destroy public property, or leave a protest in a police wagon.
I have two good friends who (independently of each other) told the same story of police arrests of antiwar protesters in San Franciso: Apparently, in order to control crowds, the police have adopted a policy of sealing off entire streets. They surround the area with a ring of officers, who then close in to arrest everyone who happened to be on the street at that instant. Those arrested included:
1. Rabid antiwar protesters who were lying in the street blocking traffic (and were therefore in violation of the law).
2. Less rabid antiwar protesters, holding signs peacefully on the sidewalk, and thus not blocking traffic.
3. Curious gawkers of no particular political persuasion.
4. People trying to pass through the area on their way to work.
5. The waiters at the outdoor restaurant on that street who were just opening up for the day. (One of my friends specifically mentioned these guys, who were plenty pissed, you can imagine)

So... it sould seem that, in this instance at least, not everyone who left the scene in a police wagon was even protesting, let alone breaking the law.

Pre-emptive Disclaimer:
I am aware that this is anecdotal, as well as second hand, so its clearly not evidence of a general trend, but I found it interesting...

[BillyTK]

[this issue] targets the exceedingly subversive and violent groups that are exploiting the controversy over the war to implement their long-time agenda of crippling this nation.

Communists? Or the neo-conservative crowd? :confused:

[Mel]

I believe we found ourselves the target of Muslim terrorist aggression BECAUSE of our unwillingness to use force at the 'proper' time. By our non-aggression towards aggression, we have upped the ante and it's ALWAYS innocent civilians (aka pawns) that pay the price.

Isn't it odd that the Muslim world is eerily silent whenever and wherever there is Muslim on Muslim violence, abuse and suffering? (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran.... the list goes on & on)

It is THEIR own governments' refusal to address and deal with (in a civilized way) the corruption in the entire region that has suckered the (mostly Christian aka infidel) west into this quagmire.

Maybe we can go so far to say.... every citizen has a duty to demand his own government is not totally corrupt or else he has enslaved himself and given up the right to be called TOTALLY INNOCENT?

[daredelvis]

Jedi is right! I think that this link sums it up!



http://theonion.com/onion3912/i_should_not_be.html

Quote from link
"When the Founding Fathers authored the Constitution that sets forth our nation's guiding principles, they made certain to guarantee us individual rights and freedoms. How dare we selfishly lay claim to those liberties at the very moment when our nation is in crisis, when it needs us to be our most selfless? We shame the memory of Thomas Jefferson by daring to mention Bush's outright lies about satellite photos that supposedly prove Iraq is developing nuclear weapons."


Daredelvis