The testing of lifegazer's powers and philosophy

[Pahansiri]

It will be especially amazing for the JREF establishment to apologise to a theist and grant him his requests. After all, they're employed to serve Randi and his family of mocking parrots.(lifegazer)
I find this to be rather ironic. You being a one who claims you are fully enlightened to the “fact� that only you exist and you are God clearly becomes angered by beings ( who don’t exist) because they will not believe and follow you. You name call and make childish remarks to beings that do not exist arguing beings who do not exist.

A fully enlightened is not controlled by emotions as anger and ego as you clearly seem to be nor would a fully enlightened being have conversations, combative one at that with imaginary people.

You say that your being a enlightened being, enlightened as to the true nature of reality you have special powers and we only exist as to your observation. The simple solution and one that will stop the churning of frustration in your stomach would be to either just make us believe what you do, as we only exist in your mind and by such you control us, or just make the non believers disappear.

If you can do neither thing you have been proven to be wrong.

I think you are a good and fine man but clearly do not know what you believe and more clearly do not believe what you say you do and it is for that reason no one takes you seriously.

If you can demonstrate the powers you say you have people will start to believe you.

Here is the challenge, if I only exist in your mind make me disappear and never post here again, such will be your proof of power to all these other beings that post here but do not exist.

[Pahansiri]

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[phildonnia]

Since the topic is "testing", I was hoping to see whether anyone thought LG's philosophy could be tested, and what a test would look like.

LG's philosophy is claimed to be predictive, apparently predicting in one instance, the constant speed of light. While I am unable to understand it to the degree required to make predictions, I have no doubt that others more intelligent than me, (perhaps including the author himself) could answer the following questions:


Step 1: Is LG's "philosophy" falsifiable? That is, is there some imaginable phenomenon which, if it occurred, would refute his thesis? If not, then testing it is probably futile, and therefore it's not within the limited realm of science.

Step 2: LG has already invoked the correspondence principle. That is, he claims that his philosophy is consistent with the established theory, at least as far as the established theory has so far been proven. I didn't understand his explanation, but I'll assume, rather charitably, that it would make sense if couched in more common terminology.

Step 3: Does LG's "philosophy" predict any phenomena not predicted by the established theories? If no, this is not necessarily the end, although Occam's razor becomes applicable. If yes, then... we're in business!

Step 4: Does that phenomenon predicted by LG's philosophy, which is not predicted by the established theories actually occur? What would these be and how could they be observed?

[H'ethetheth]

Originally posted by phildonnia
Step 1: Is LG's "philosophy" falsifiable? That is, is there some imaginable phenomenon which, if it occurred, would refute his thesis? If not, then testing it is probably futile, and therefore it's not within the limited realm of science. As far as I could see it's not, other than ironing out all kinds of inconsistencies.

Step 2: LG has already invoked the correspondence principle. That is, he claims that his philosophy is consistent with the established theory, at least as far as the established theory has so far been proven. I didn't understand his explanation, but I'll assume, rather charitably, that it would make sense if couched in more common terminology.
In several instances lifegazer has admitted that to a human being there is no observable difference until people start to realise they are in fact all figments of God's dream.

Step 3: Does LG's "philosophy" predict any phenomena not predicted by the established theories? If no, this is not necessarily the end, although Occam's razor becomes applicable. If yes, then... we're in business! Yes, it predics that people can perform all kinds of miracles a la "there is no spoon", once they become aware of the 'truth'.

Step 4: Does that phenomenon predicted by LG's philosophy, which is not predicted by the established theories actually occur? What would these be and how could they be observed? No, not even lifegazer himself has bent as much as a spoon. He has refused to so far, and it's quite possible that he can't.

[Pahansiri]

Greetings phildonnia I hope you are well

You write:

Step 1: Is LG's "philosophy" falsifiable?

Is it testable, of course in this case as LG has made statements of fact which are of course only statements of belief. But if one makes a statement of fact he then has the burden of proof. Is his belief and or statements capable of being falsified, again of course if I say “I can lift this car with the power of my mind� I have the opportunity to test and prove my ability. If I simply demand all believe me because I say it is true while refusing to demonstrate or prove what I have said and declare them fools if they do not believing me it is I who am a fool not them for not believing.

In Buddhism we have the:



Kalama Sutta

Do not believe in anything (simply)
because you have heard it.

Do not believe in traditions because they
have been handed down for many generations.

Do not believe in anything because it is
spoken and rumoured by many.

Do not believe in anything (simply) because
it is found written in your religious books.

Do not believe in anything merely on the authority
of your teachers and elders.

But after observation and analysis
when you find that anything agrees with reason
and is conductive to the good and benefit of one and all
then accept it and live up to it.

Buddha
(Anguttara Nikaya Vol. 1, 188-193 P.T.S. Ed.)





That is, is there some imaginable phenomenon which, if it occurred, would refute his thesis?

This is wrong thinking it is not if some phenomenon occurred that would refute his thesis is if the lack of his stated phenomenon which, if it did not occur, would refute his thesis.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
In Buddhism we have the:



Kalama Sutta

I told you, the buddha only gets 7 out of 10. He wasn't as wise as you think he was.

Do not believe in anything (simply)
because you have heard it.

Do not believe in anything (simply) because
it is found written in your religious books.

Good advice.

But after observation and analysis
when you find that anything agrees with reason
and is conductive to the good and benefit of one and all
then accept it and live up to it.

Sorry, but on the advice of the buddha, I won't be believing in this garbage.

On a serious note, since what we see is an internal (to reality)illusion, it becomes quite obvious that whatever is real and true cannot ever be seen.
If you look for the truth with your eyes then you are blind indeed.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I told you, the buddha only gets 7 out of 10. He wasn't as wise as you think he was.

Good advice.

Sorry, but on the advice of the buddha, I won't be believing in this garbage.

On a serious note, since what we see is an internal (to reality)illusion, it becomes quite obvious that whatever is real and true cannot ever be seen.
If you look for the truth with your eyes then you are blind indeed.


Hmmm not one attempt at the test? Your actions or lack of them speak for themselves.;)

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Hmmm not one attempt at the test? Your actions or lack of them speak for themselves.;)
No they don't.

What if I was to oblige you and perform a miracle? What then?
Would it prove to you that you are God? No. It might prove to you that I was God and then you'd worship 'lifegazer'. Then again, it might not prove to you that I was God. After all, it might have been one great illusion or trick or even a bizarre event that can be explained via quantum physics. Then again, you might even think that I was the devil. You might even want to kill me for my efforts.
Miracles didn't prove anything 2000 years ago and they wouldn't prove anything now. They would be the cause of mass hysteria and conflict.
So, don't even ask me for a miracle unless you can guarantee that 6 billion people will acknowledge that they are, in fact, God... and the consequences of that miracle will be entirely positive.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by lifegazer
No they don't.

What if I was to oblige you and perform a miracle? What then?
Would it prove to you that you are God? No. It might prove to you that I was God and then you'd worship 'lifegazer'. Then again, it might not prove to you that I was God. After all, it might have been one great illusion or trick or even a bizarre event that can be explained via quantum physics. Then again, you might even think that I was the devil. You might even want to kill me for my efforts.
Miracles didn't prove anything 2000 years ago and they wouldn't prove anything now. They would be the cause of mass hysteria and conflict.
So, don't even ask me for a miracle unless you can guarantee that 6 billion people will acknowledge that they are, in fact, God... and the consequences of that miracle will be entirely positive.
A very nice dance, would not you feel better if you were just honest and said you of course can do no such things. With this honest action may come some respect from others here and you could start again and have mature conversations about beliefs rather then look like a spoiled child.

Your actions and post yell of the empty powerlessness you feel in your life.

[Donks]

Originally posted by lifegazer
No they don't.

What if I was to oblige you and perform a miracle? What then?
Would it prove to you that you are God? No. It might prove to you that I was God and then you'd worship 'lifegazer'.
If an omnipotent being tells me I'm god, I might pay attention.
Then again, it might not prove to you that I was God. After all, it might have been one great illusion or trick or even a bizarre event that can be explained via quantum physics.
Then perform something that can't be dismissed as a trick.
Then again, you might even think that I was the devil. You might even want to kill me for my efforts.
What does it matter to an omnipotent being that a rabble tries to hurt him?
Miracles didn't prove anything 2000 years ago and they wouldn't prove anything now. They would be the cause of mass hysteria and conflict.
So, don't even ask me for a miracle unless you can guarantee that 6 billion people will acknowledge that they are, in fact, God... and the consequences of that miracle will be entirely positive.
Why should he guarantee anything? You're the omnipotent one, you'd be perforing the miracle. You should be able to make the miracle impressive enough to achieve your goals.

[Pahansiri]

Yes a tiny "miracle" that say 50 people will see not 6billion and an all powerful being could control the masses as to how they react to this great miracle.


Take the test prove yourself, save us lost fools if you really are our "last best chance" as you have said you are.

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by lifegazer
No they don't.
What if I was to oblige you and perform a miracle? What then?
Would it prove to you that you are God? No.

So then we have you on record that your conclusions are not scientifically falsifiable?

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by phildonnia
So then we have you on record that your conclusions are not scientifically falsifiable?
That's correct. In fact, my philosophy makes sense of everything that science knows - from QM to relativity. Science can hardly disprove something that embraces what science has to say.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by lifegazer
That's correct. In fact, my philosophy makes sense of everything that science knows - from QM to relativity. Science can hardly disprove something that embraces what science has to say.


Hmmmm where does science say one can perform miracles?

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by lifegazer
That's correct. In fact, my philosophy makes sense of everything that science knows - from QM to relativity. Science can hardly disprove something that embraces what science has to say.

I think you didn't understand.

Science often "disproves what science has to say". Science disproved Young's wave theory of light. Science disproved Galileian relativity. Science disproved Lamarckian Evolution.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by phildonnia
I think you didn't understand.

Science often "disproves what science has to say". Science disproved Young's wave theory of light. Science disproved Galileian relativity. Science disproved Lamarckian Evolution.

Yes my friend it went well over his head.

the "job" if you will of Science is to disproved Science. Science has no emotional or should have no emotional grasping to a belief.

[H'ethetheth]

One miracle lifegazer might attempt is to make everyone believe him, not by reasoning with them but simply instantaneously.

That would do fine for me. And it solves the idolatry problem.

Edit:

I see Pahansiri has proposed something similar in the relativity thread

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by H'ethetheth
One miracle lifegazer might attempt is to make everyone believe him, not by reasoning with them but simply instantaneously.

That would do fine for me. And it solves the idolatry problem.

Edit:

I see Pahansiri has proposed something similar in the relativity thread

It would seem an easy miracle one that would not shake up the 6billion he fears. Just make one person here beliefe him and come to follow him just one. I offer to be the one he does this miracle on..

If he can make me belief him many would have to come to in part believe in his beliefs.

Ball is in your court lifegazer as you know I respect you and all beings and what they wish to believe, you have made statments of fact, time to prove it, change my mind with your power.

Will you run from this?

Someone who really believed in himself and what he believed would take this small challange, just one person.

[P.S.A.]

Guys, I've already done this with Lifegazer. See my thread "God is dead, and Lifegazer has killed him". He's not only supposedly able to perform miracles, but his philosophy REQUIRES him to... But he can't, and he knows it.

He also knows that if even if he could perform a miracle, the fact that he'd do so and no one would care would blow more holes in his philosophy, which is based supposedly upon the acceptance of Godhood. If they won't accept it even then, where does that leave our Hero, hmm? The only way he can keep his own ego afloat in the sea of his own hubris is to refuse to ever actually come out of his own self imposed isolation. He's a great man only in his own mind.

Lifegazer is a very, very sick individual, people; you are dealing with someone who has long since crossed the sanity horizon, and now can't get back. You can't test his "philosophy", he won't let you. He can't even exhibit the claims for himself that he supposedly believes in; as you also point out, he has a foul temper, is arrogant, petty minded, and so forth... the exact opposite of the God he claims to be. But he can't stop claiming he's God, without admitting his life has been wasted. He's hoist upon his own petard, and it's only going to get ever more painful for him. He'd sooner kill himself and his God, and declare that Living, rather than admit he's done nothing but gaze upon death all along.

[Pahansiri]

Greetings P.S.A..

While I respect your belief here for me it is too harsh. and unkind.

I seek to harm nor disrespect anyone and to respect all and their righst to believe as they will as long as they are not causing harm.

I, you all here do not believe he can do any such things of course and if he does and that is all he has to hold dear then for me may he find sone happiness in it.

I think we can puch him without being unkind. If this is all he has ( that is illogical) then how wrong to drive him off.

better to address his or mine or yours or anyones beliefs and statments with logic, that will carry the day.

I believe he is a good guy

Just what I believe.

[Piscivore]

I personally would consider it a miracle if he could tell me why he considers his god "real" and my friend Pierre, the current reigning monarch of France (who lives on my couch and drinks cheap wine all day, running up my phone bill with administrative calls) he believes is not "real."

If he can answer convincingly and cogently I could be persuaded to study his philosophy a little more closely. If he could answer politely I may even become a disciple.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Greetings P.S.A..

While I respect your belief here for me it is too harsh. and unkind.

If his faith was a private matter, I would agree with you. But as it's not, as he's obnoxious, rude, obsessive, arrogantly demanding we all recognise his greatness, I can't agree with you that I'm being too harsh. In fact, I'd go further than that...

I seek to harm nor disrespect anyone and to respect all and their righst to believe as they will as long as they are not causing harm.

...He's going to destroy himself in the long run, irrespective of anything I say. I'm hoping he'll realise that his "philosophy" can ONLY lead to madness, because there is absolutely nothing in it which can offer him a way out. He won't get converts. He can't perform miracles. The world doesn't care in the slightest bit... but he not only thinks it does, he thinks he's the greatest thing on it. His is a recipe for disaster. If I have to be harsh to point that out, so be it... because the reality for Lifegazer if he persists in this is going to be harsher still. Find his thread on "Americans"; he's already being driven mad by awareness of the horrors of life. But he's got nothing to escape from them into... except a madness which reminds him of the horrors, tells him they'd end if everyone embraced him... and also ensures no one ever, ever will.

I, you all here do not believe he can do any such things of course and if he does and that is all he has to hold dear then for me may he find sone happiness in it.

And perhaps he would, if he was content to be modest and private. He's not. He wants to take on the Universe. And the universe ALWAYS wins.

I think we can puch him without being unkind. If this is all he has ( that is illogical) then how wrong to drive him off.

This is a man who gave up on a woman who loved him because she wouldn't accept he was God. He's driving everyone away from himself... You must have seen such mental disorders before, surely? He'll destroy everything because nothing is ever pure enough for him.

better to address his or mine or yours or anyones beliefs and statments with logic, that will carry the day.

You can't address his logic, because he'll keep changing it.

I believe he is a good guy

No, he believes he's the good guy. Everyone does, it's the human condition. Oh I agree, he doesn't want to do evil in any sense that he can understand it. But that doesn't make him Good. Quite the opposite in fact.
What makes him an evil guy is that he not only cannot understand that he might actually be Wrong, but that he denies anyone else CAN even be as Right as he is. Some of the most selfish, egotistical people I've ever met were the "alternatives", the "individuals", the great "moralists"... because they see people as things to be measured up against their own worth, and no one can ever be as You as You are. In Lifegazer's case, he sees himself as God. And we, remember, are the ones he blames for killing his God; He's the Ultimate good guy, and we are the Anti-Gods... and what happens to the bad guys in the fairy tales...?

You can already see this in his thought patterns; I've quoted Jesus to him before now, as an examplar of the correct response of good people in an evil world... Turn the other cheek: but LG here is already going for the Old Testament approach. You "chimp." It was pre-ordained the moment he embraced this martyr complex of his. I wish he'd prove me wrong. He won't. And so I feel no guilt at all in being harsh to him, just as I wouldn't for smacking the hand of a child about to put his hands into the flame. Lifegazer is sending his mind into the fiery hell of madness. No guilt at all.

Just what I believe.

And it's admirable that you do. But Lifegazer has given you a choice between recognising his greatness or torturing his soul with the agonies of not embracing his philosophy. He'll make you choose, just as he does with all people. There's only one choice you can make which is honest. I lose no sleep over wantonly embracing the only genuine option he gives you. Call me harsh, and yes, perhaps I am. But I can't care that I am... not without sinking into the same impotent madness as him. Sorry, but I choose Life, not Lifegazer.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
Call me harsh, and yes, perhaps I am. But I can't care that I am... not without sinking into the same impotent madness as him. Sorry, but I choose Life, not Lifegazer.

I respect what you believe and was going to address many points but believe my point will be made from your last few lines.

Your post seems to give Lifegazer a great deal of power over your life.

He has none over mine, no one does but me. No one has the power to make you think, feel, believe or act in any way only you have such power over yourself. Lifegazer can not make you or I sink into anything.

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Lifegazer can not make you or I sink into anything.

Oh, I don't know about that. I'm sinking into terminal ennui from some of his rantings. :D

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
I respect what you believe and was going to address many points but believe my point will be made from your last few lines.

Your post seems to give Lifegazer a great deal of power over your life.

He has none over mine, no one does but me. No one has the power to make you think, feel, believe or act in any way only you have such power over yourself. Lifegazer can not make you or I sink into anything.

You misunderstand. Great power over people's lives is what Lifegazer seeks. He's basically looking to either bamboozle or terrify you into agreeing with his conclusions, and he doesn't really care how he does it. Only that you admire him.

And do you know what the real sadness in all of this is? Mental illness is at the highest level in human societies in recorded history; roughly 1 in 4 people have suffered it at some point in their lives... Lifegazer isn't even original in that sense. And why should he be? He thinks he's the only person who understands the depth of horror out there, but he's not... oh no, he's not the only one. It's obvious to any person who truly cares to look at the world as it really is... The horror. The... horror. But what would embracing Lifegazer's ideas give you in order to cope with the unremitting evil out there?

It gives you more evil, more suffering, not less. It makes you arrogant, unloved and incomprehensible. When I say I chose Life over Lifegazer, I don't mean he has any power over me NOW... No, I mean it to state categorically that I reject utterly the idea that I'd EVER want to give him what he so desperately seeks. The consequences of accepting I'm Lifegazer (or his God) would be to become Lifegazer. And there's no power he can profess to hold that would make me want to become that. And that's what he has to face if he'll ever hope to achieve anything in this life...

[Z]

You know, there was another challenge for him posted a while ago - Since he claims that those who recognize their own divinity gets provided for by the universe, he was challenged to take up Christ's lifestyle, toss all his clothes, possession, and home away, and just accept that which the universe provides for him.

He, of course, rejected that challenge as well.

No, lifegazer has made several claims for the consequences of his philosophy, but cannot demonstrate any of them.

He really is not to be respected, as such.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
You misunderstand. Great power over people's lives is what Lifegazer seeks. He's basically looking to either bamboozle or terrify you into agreeing with his conclusions, and he doesn't really care how he does it. Only that you admire him.



He may seek what he wants he can have power over no one unless they allow it, no one. He also can not bamboozle or terrify me he has no power over anyone nor do I or you no one has such power over another unless they allow it.


If he needs to be admire he has my compassion.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
He may seek what he wants he can have power over no one unless they allow it, no one. He also can not bamboozle or terrify me he has no power over anyone nor do I or you no one has such power over another unless they allow it.


If he needs to be admire he has my compassion.

Which rather disproves his whole "God is omnipotent" argument, as if God can't even beat the barriers I've put up against converting Myself back to believing I'm Myself in my own Dreamed existance, I'm really rather pathetic.

You'll find this a lot arguing with LG, endless rhetorical circles, each past step wrong, each next step wrong, but always twirling, twirling, twirling towards er... old , already done to death madnesses again.

But he'll keep trying. He desperately needs someone to tell him, when he claims he can move mountains, that they actually can see him doing it. Hallelujah!

[Wudang]

Originally posted by lifegazer
That's correct. In fact, my philosophy makes sense of everything that science knows - from QM to relativity. Science can hardly disprove something that embraces what science has to say.

No. Your philosophy does not even make sense of the english language. Or do you still claim that words are capable of thinking?

[jmercer]

I did a search on the Internet using a multicrawler (accesses multiple search engines with one query). I simply typed in "lifegazer".

Try it, Pahansiri, and let me know what you think.

From my perspective, I'd say that LG is very ill. Absolutely a meglomaniac with delusions of godhood; possibly even schizophrenic and manic/depressive as well. He needs professional help, and I'm no longer going to respond to his postings. If I should happen to say something that triggered a collapse of his delusion, there is absolutely no way to predict what he would do next - and I don't want that responsiblity.

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Originally posted by jmercer
From my perspective, I'd say that LG is very ill. Absolutely a meglomaniac with delusions of godhood; possibly even schizophrenic and manic/depressive as well.

Nah :D he just thinks different from you, and almost everybody else on this forum. ;)

[jmercer]

Originally posted by Bodhi Dharma Zen
Nah :D he just thinks different from you, and almost everybody else on this forum. ;)

:D

That would be ok by me. What's bothering me is how he is utterly, completely - fanatically - convinced, not only of his beliefs, but of everyone else's status.

Consider this line of logic:

1) I am God.

2) You are God, too, but You don't know it.

3) As God, I can do anything I want.

4) Killing you would not be murder, because I am God, so are You, and everything is an illusion anyway.

Setting aside the God part, that last line is so frighteningly close to being socio or psychopathic that it gives me the willies. But if you take LG at his word... he could easily justify his actions.

See what I mean?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by jmercer
From my perspective, I'd say that LG is very ill. Absolutely a meglomaniac with delusions of godhood; possibly even schizophrenic and manic/depressive as well. He needs professional help, and I'm no longer going to respond to his postings. If I should happen to say something that triggered a collapse of his delusion, there is absolutely no way to predict what he would do next - and I don't want that responsiblity. Back when Paul Bethke was regularly threatening to blind James Randi I asked a psychiatrist friend of mine to diagnose him. She said she was unwilling to give a diagnosis based on internet postings but agreed that he exhibited symptoms of being delusional.

I don't think we can accurately assess gazer. I think he shows symptoms but then I am not even qualified to make such a diagnosis at all. I would however be willing to place a bet that the guy has at least some moderate to serious issues.

[jmercer]

Yep, you're right. And I wouldn't be qualified to make such a diagnosis no matter what. Still, though, my impression is that LG needs professional help as of quite a while ago.

[uruk]

What if I was to oblige you and perform a miracle? What then? We might actually start to believe you.

Would it prove to you that you are God? No. It might prove to you that I was God and then you'd worship 'lifegazer'. Could you not perform the miracle of "making us all know we are god and not worship the one known as Lifegazer"?

Then again, it might not prove to you that I was God. After all, it might have been one great illusion or trick or even a bizarre event that can be explained via quantum physics. By definition a miracle is an event that cannot be explained by natural or known means. The miracle would clearly a miracle and not one that could be explained by QM or TLOP.

Then again, you might even think that I was the devil. You might even want to kill me for my efforts.
Why would a being capable of performing miracles be afraid of being killed? Could he no protect himself with miracles?

Miracles didn't prove anything 2000 years ago and they wouldn't prove anything now. Could that because the supposed miracles 2000 years ago were not actual miracles or were made up? Ant any rate There are more than a few religions that are still in existance for at least 200 years because of the stories of alleged miracles.
They would be the cause of mass hysteria and conflict. Could not a miracle avoid this?

So, don't even ask me for a miracle unless you can guarantee that 6 billion people will acknowledge that they are, in fact, God... and the consequences of that miracle will be entirely positive. Could not a miraclel also address this?

You seem to a very low opinion of your ability to perform miracles, or at least a very poor imagination when it comes to miracles.

Very, very lame LG.

[Wudang]

Yawn! He doesn't have to perform a miracle that would freak people out, just demonstrate some of the knowledge that he claims he can access. Apart obviously from science, logic or what the word "infer" means.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Wudang
Yawn! He doesn't have to perform a miracle that would freak people out, just demonstrate some of the knowledge that he claims he can access. Apart obviously from science, logic or what the word "infer" means.

I offered a simple non-Earth shaking miracle on ethat would not as he fears lead me/us to worshiping him or sending billions of people running in fear ( I am sure a bit less then one billion read this site).

All he must do is just make me believe what he is saying, with his poweres change my mind, seems simple for one with great powers.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
I offered a simple non-Earth shaking miracle on ethat would not as he fears lead me/us to worshiping him or sending billions of people running in fear ( I am sure a bit less then one billion read this site).

All he must do is just make me believe what he is saying, with his poweres change my mind, seems simple for one with great powers.
Listen good: The beauty of this existence (this philosophy) is that God imposes It's will upon existence without affecting the freedom of will that You have.
... How? Because You are God and have free will, yet that will contributes to the complete purpose. Even if you behave like Hitler, for example, or P.S.A..
If You, for example, believed that you were "the 5th domino" and are descended from The Holy Domino and your will is to knock down the 6th domino - and nothing more - then you are still doing the will of The God of Domino World.
Think deeply upon that last passage.
What is happening is happening. What will happen will happen. Yet God's free-will has never and never will evade God.

... I will not force you to do something that you do not want. I will not force you to have something that you do not want. I will not force you to relinquish something that you don't want to relinquish. I cannot force God to do anything. Free-will is absolute.

Even a serf has the freedom to remain a serf.

Whether I can perform miracles or not is not a question rationale can answer. Whether I can perform miracles or not is irrelevant to the soundness of a rational argument.

What is certain is that as soon as miracles are performed, the world of man becomes divided as to the meaning of those miracles:
(1) Those that see them argue whether they were miracles.
(2) Those that don't see them argue whether such events took place.
(3) Those that believed they took place argue over whether God did it, or the devil... or whether science might provide an answer.
(4) Those that are born well-after the event argue whether 'the man' that performed the so-called miracles even existed.

I've seen it all before. Miracles are like party tricks. Good for a brief time and a small minority of the party-goers.

Believe me or believe me not: If I had the power to do whatever you asked of me, I would not do it. Not at this monent, anyway. If I am to sway your will, then I will do it with reason or not at all.

I can let you into one big secret: Heaven on Earth is a certainty. The wars and trajedies of the past & present are merely contributing to that future. I am merely contributing to that future.
Sometimes, like a man, I weep at the trajedies. But sometimes, I remember that light would mean nothing without the darkness to compare it with.

Your Buddha failed you. Why? Because your Buddha failed to glorify you and ended up being glorified himself by you - his God.

I will not be doing the same thing again. I don't give a rat's whether you dislike lifegazer. He's just a puppet taking the rap.

To be honest, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be able to speak for my Godself without worrying about whether I'm going to be idolised for the man (puppet) I speak through. Not a hope of that happening this time is there P.S.A.? ;)

[P.S.A.]

To be honest, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be able to speak for my Godself without worrying about whether I'm going to be idolised for the man (puppet) I speak through. Not a hope of that happening this time is there P.S.A.? ;) [/B]

But Lifegazer, I've not been talking about you personally at all... I've told you, I accept that you are God. And God is an absolute ("High street banker" - Ed.), as illustrated by how he's chosen to manifest himself. It doesn't matter what you claim now, you have no way of proving that God cares about this happy, happy la la land you've retreated into to try and survive the emotional and intellectual turmoil of the last few days... Because all you have is one extremely unconvincing puppet of God, where as I have an entire evil world where misery is common and cruelty is rewarded that I can point to. Yes Lifegazer, someone mocking you on an internet board is exactly like murdering 12 million innocent people... for I am indeed Satan, I am Hitler, I am PSA - the anti-Lifegazer... And I'm still winning, despite your hopes. God Or Lifegazer, it matters not to me... for I shall ultimately destroy you both. One could even say, with the above indication of your collapsing mind, I already have. And this confused and incomprehensible vessel is all you have to work with God... Ahah ha haaa... Better to rule in Hell? I shall rule in both, and I owe it all to you, God. Thank you!

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
But Lifegazer, I've not been talking about you personally at all...

Liar.

I've told you, I accept that you are God.

Another lie.
You're just playing a game. Don't tell the members of this forum that you accept that YOU are God and that nothing else exists (since you accept my philosophy) unless you can stop calling me a lunatic for having the same beliefs.

I could tell you that I accept your philosophy that God doesn't exist, but if I simultaneously call you a lunatic and ridicule you for espousing that philosophy, then I'd be talking BS, wouldn't I?!!!
Up the grade. Do it quick, before I sever your so-called philosophical head forever.

[Z]

Believe me or believe me not: If I had the power to do whatever you asked of me, I would not do it. Not at this monent, anyway. If I am to sway your will, then I will do it with reason or not at all.

Suggestion: learn a little bit about what 'reason' is first - or you've no hope, whatsoever.

Anyway, you've lost it. It's clear. Your philosophy is incorrectly founded, poorly constructed, based on ignorance, misunderstandings, and outright lies, and is utterly irrelevant to the world of Men and offensive to the nature of God.

And now you have demonstrated intellectual dishonesty on every level... Nothing you say any more CAN be taken seriously, by those who know you. As such, it is our duty - though few will embrace it, I'm sure - to ensure that those who face you come to KNOW you - to be aware of the failings, the ignorance, the intellectual dishonesty.

For my own part, I shall persist, and prevail, as usual. My ego requires nothing less.

You're done, lg... post if you want, but don't expect anything different from what you're getting right now.

[lifegazer]

Really - if a tosspot like P.S.A. can get a philosophy degree, then what value is that degree?
He's just an intelligent sheep that has learnt how to direct the herd in the direction it was told to go.
However, he lacks the superior intelligence to question which way the herd should be going.

Philosophy degrees aint worth a friggin dime when you have parrots teaching parrots what to parrot.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Really - if a tosspot like P.S.A. can get a philosophy degree, then what value is that degree?
He's just an intelligent sheep that has learnt how to direct the herd in the direction it was told to go.
However, he lacks the superior intelligence to question which way the herd should be going.

Philosophy degrees aint worth a friggin dime when you have parrots teaching parrots what to parrot.

So says someone who is just barely getting a glimpse of the philosophical consequences of the think we call "free will".

[jmercer]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Really - if a tosspot like P.S.A. can get a philosophy degree, then what value is that degree?
He's just an intelligent sheep that has learnt how to direct the herd in the direction it was told to go.
However, he lacks the superior intelligence to question which way the herd should be going.

Philosophy degrees aint worth a friggin dime when you have parrots teaching parrots what to parrot.

What is it with you and animals? Chimps, now sheep and parrots... I have to figure that entire farming communities heave a great sigh of relief after you've left the region...

[Z]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Really - if a tosspot like P.S.A. can get a philosophy degree, then what value is that degree?
He's just an intelligent sheep that has learnt how to direct the herd in the direction it was told to go.
However, he lacks the superior intelligence to question which way the herd should be going.

Philosophy degrees aint worth a friggin dime when you have parrots teaching parrots what to parrot.

Considering your ignorance on every subject you ever bring up, I wouldn't downplay another's degree if I were you.

Chances are, based on some of your earlier comments, that you couldn't get a degree from ANY university - well, except maybe from on-line schools - because you can never accept that you are wrong about anything.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
You're done, lg... post if you want, but don't expect anything different from what you're getting right now.
Stupidity and ignorance will only have effect for a finite time. Your number is up already. I don't need you any more except for the occasional reference to an unintelligent sheep. That's what you are being, but that's not what you are.
It's upto you whether you want to ponder that last sentence or not, because that sentence speaks VOLUMES about YOU.
Regardless, your participation within this revolution is diminishing by the second, as you may have noticed - I rarely speak to you any more.
... I don't need you any more. You're angry because you think I do... or should. *Laffs*

[Pahansiri]

listen good: The beauty of this existence (this philosophy) is that God imposes It's will upon existence without affecting the freedom of will that You have.

Do you have any clue as to what you really believe? Now you say god imposes its will on me but you also say I am god so which is it?

Here at site called http://sciforums.com we find from you a post dated 07-16-2003, 09:15 PM the following sciforums (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=397836)
You are confusing monistic-Idealism with Solipsism, I believe.
A philosophy which posits one Mind (God) as the essence of everything, does not posit 'me' as that God. 'i' am merely within its mind, and am no different to anyone here.

Now here you seems to say you nor I nor anyone here are God as you said we were.

Again I must ask do you have any idea just what it is that you believe?


Next we find
.. How? Because You are God and have free will, yet that will contributes to the complete purpose. Even if you behave like Hitler, for example, or P.S.A..

Lets again look at your statement from Here at site called http://sciforums.com we find from you a post dated 07-16-2003, 09:15 PM .

You are confusing monistic-Idealism with Solipsism, I believe.
A philosophy which posits one Mind (God) as the essence of everything, does not posit 'me' as that God. 'i' am merely within its mind, and am no different to anyone here.


Hmmmm Again I must ask do you have any idea just what it is that you believe?


I am God I am not god??? What is it?


You write ... I will not force you to do something that you do not want. I will not force you to have something that you do not want. I will not force you to relinquish something that you don't want to relinquish. I cannot force God to do anything. Free-will is absolute.

So when a child is molested beaten and killed even though this is not the will of the child are you saying it is the will of the child?

Hmmmm Again I must ask do you have any idea just what it is that you believe?


Nest you write, squirm


Whether I can perform miracles or not is not a question rationale can answer. Whether I can perform miracles or not is irrelevant to the soundness of a rational argument.

What is certain is that as soon as miracles are performed, the world of man becomes divided as to the meaning of those miracles:
(1) Those that see them argue whether they were miracles.
(2) Those that don't see them argue whether such events took place.
(3) Those that believed they took place argue over whether God did it, or the devil... or whether science might provide an answer.
(4) Those that are born well-after the event argue whether 'the man' that performed the so-called miracles even existed.

I've seen it all before. Miracles are like party tricks. Good for a brief time and a small minority of the party-goers.

Believe me or believe me not: If I had the power to do whatever you asked of me, I would not do it. Not at this monent, anyway. If I am to sway your will, then I will do it with reason or not at all.

I believe the translation to this better reads

“ I lied they know I lied they have proven I lied but I am far to childish and not man enough to admit I lied so I will just post this dribble rather then do anything that may bring me some respect� lifegazer

You write Your Buddha failed you. Why? Because your Buddha failed to glorify you and ended up being glorified himself by you - his God.

As with most topics your knowledge of Buddhism is at best very minimal.

You write I will not be doing the same thing again. I don't give a rat's whether you dislike lifegazer. He's just a puppet taking the rap.

I have a friend that specializes in MPD/ Mutable Personality Disorder if you like I can ask him to give you a name of a professional in your area. By the way tell the lifegazer personality I dislike no one and happen to like him very much.

To be honest, I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be able to speak for my Godself without worrying about whether I'm going to be idolised for the man (puppet) I speak through.

I will call him right now you are slipping fast.

[Z]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Stupidity and ignorance will only have effect for a finite time. Your number is up already. I don't need you any more except for the occasional reference to an unintelligent sheep. That's what you are being, but that's not what you are.
It's upto you whether you want to ponder that last sentence or not, because that sentence speaks VOLUMES about YOU.
Regardless, your participation within this revolution is diminishing by the second, as you may have noticed - I rarely speak to you any more.
... I don't need you any more. You're angry because you think I do... or should. *Laffs*

Hmmm.. you REALLY have no reading skill. Being I'm no longer addressing lifegazer, I'm doing all I do in the interest of passers-by.

Angry? HAH! Not even close, son... not even close.

BTW - there is no revolution. One man is hardly a revolution.

Especially not when that man is the village idiot.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Liar.

Another lie.
You're just playing a game. Don't tell the members of this forum that you accept that [b]YOU are God and that nothing else exists (since you accept my philosophy) unless you can stop calling me a lunatic for having the same beliefs.

Lifegazer, I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, and indeed I note that my satanic power over you has already dispelled your brief period of relaxation... But DO try and read what I said carefully again... I never said I myself was God; No, I'm the anti-God. YOU are God. "Lifegazer" is the puppet through which God manifests himself. And that puppet is a lunatic. Which, if you are correct, and I accept you are, makes God a lunatic too.

Don't you see? It's all genuine belief... I look at you, and I see God/God acting through you. And it just explains so much about God. Which is why, when I am wishing to initiate new people into my cult of deicide, I simply have to show them God's Prophet, and thus show them God... it is through the manifestation of God that the world is mine to spread evil wildly within, killing millions with my words on an internet forum.

I could tell you that I accept your philosophy that God doesn't exist, but if I simultaneously call you a lunatic and ridicule you for espousing that philosophy, then I'd be talking BS, wouldn't I?!!!

Nope, because the truth of God's existance or not is independent of my existance in your example. In YOUR "philosophy" however they are actually completely interlinked. God exists because you exist, God IS you. Which I accept. You are God. God is a lunatic too, then.

Up the grade. Do it quick, before I sever your so-called philosophical head forever.

You have no power to do so. The world is mine, it belongs to the anti-lifegazer. Your God gives you no more power to even see my head than it does to sever it. Go ahead, appeal to your God to tell you what my head looks like; what hair color and hair style do I have, Lifegazer? Aha ha ha haaaa... Thus I spit on your God, and warp the world to my evil will. An evil will, incidentally, you were admiring for it's honesty of purpose just a few posts ago... There we have it folks, Lifegazer's God is less honest and less consistent that the diabolic power of of anti-Lifegazery.

Join me in killing this false God, people!

[uruk]

What is certain is that as soon as miracles are performed, the world of man becomes divided as to the meaning of those miracles:
(1) Those that see them argue whether they were miracles.
(2) Those that don't see them argue whether such events took place.
(3) Those that believed they took place argue over whether God did it, or the devil... or whether science might provide an answer.
(4) Those that are born well-after the event argue whether 'the man' that performed the so-called miracles even existed.


I would think a really well planed miracle would dispell all of this. A true miracle would be irrefutable. A miracle would make all of this moot.

Well if you won't perform a miracle for the masses, why not something to improve your lot in life? A while back you were lamenting how miserable your life was because of your crusade. well, why not improve it? The reality around you is nopt real, so change it. use your mind to change the fabric of your awareness so that your life is not so miserable.

[RussDill]

Not only that, but a true miracle can be visable to all people for all time, unlike a party trick, which only fools a small amount of people for a short time.