There are no contradictions in God's nature.

[1inChrist]

Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!

You may ask but how is that possible. If there is a rock He can't lift, He's not omnipotent. BUT HE'S OMNIPOTENT! He can do it without it being a contradiction because he's omnipotent, He can do anything!

There is no puzzle your limited human reasoning can create that God can't figure out.

[Lisa Simpson]

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/6215/360x480miao083yr.th.jpg

[Donks]

http://zwiki.org/gir.jpg

[DangerousBeliefs]

Which God?

[Lisa Simpson]

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/5913/homer7kh.th.jpg (http://img86.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img86&image=homer7kh.jpg)

[H3LL]

The weather here is:

Currently: +11°C

Dew Point: 0°C

Humidity: 47%

Barometer: 764mm

There may be some nice showers later.

[1inChrist]

Anyone care to actually answer my argument? Or are you just going to try and sugar-coat the truth of God with humor? Like I have said before, the relief from the fear of God through humor is only temporary. I know seeing a joke about Satan or a joke about God eases the fear a little but it's only temporary. The truth and God are eternal.

[rwguinn]

The Blue Angels Navy Precision Flight Team are here Tomorrow. Weather 79 degrees F, clear, calm
I am a Bernoulist. I will be in Heaven Tomorrow!

[RandFan]

Baked Alaska

Baked Alaska recipe made with ice cream, sponge cake, and meringue.
INGREDIENTS:

2/3 cup sugar
5 egg whites, room temperature
1 layer sponge cake
1 brick chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla ice cream or other flavor, very firmly frozen
PREPARATION:

Beat egg whites until foamy. Gradually add the sugar to egg whites and beat until meringue forms stiff peaks. Cut sponge cake 1 inch larger than the brick of ice cream. Spread meringue over the ice cream and the cake, taking care to seal completely so no ice cream is exposed. Bake at 400° until meringue is light brown.
Serves 8.

[Hawk one]

If God's so omnipotent, then how does he solve the little problem of not actually existing?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Hawk one
If God's so omnipotent, then how does he solve the little problem of not actually existing?

Prove God doesn't exist.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Anyone care to actually answer my argument? Or are you just going to try and sugar-coat the truth of God with humor? Like I have said before, the relief from the fear of God through humor is only temporary. I know seeing a joke about Satan or a joke about God eases the fear a little but it's only temporary. The truth and God are eternal.

http://www.ephotohut.net/tb/010405214721.jpg (http://www.ephotohut.net/viewpic.cfm?pic=010405214721.jpg)

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by RandFan
Baked Alaska

Baked Alaska recipe made with ice cream, sponge cake, and meringue.
INGREDIENTS:

2/3 cup sugar
5 egg whites, room temperature
1 layer sponge cake
1 brick chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla ice cream or other flavor, very firmly frozen
PREPARATION:

Beat egg whites until foamy. Gradually add the sugar to egg whites and beat until meringue forms stiff peaks. Cut sponge cake 1 inch larger than the brick of ice cream. Spread meringue over the ice cream and the cake, taking care to seal completely so no ice cream is exposed. Bake at 400° until meringue is light brown.
Serves 8.

I see we have another atheist who cannot refute my rebuttal to a popular atheist argument.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by rwguinn
The Blue Angels Navy Precision Flight Team are here Tomorrow. Weather 79 degrees F, clear, calm
I am a Bernoulist. I will be in Heaven Tomorrow! I live near Edwards Airforce Base. We have some of the greatest Air Shows ever. I saw Chuck Yaeger celebrate the aniversary of his breaking the sound barrier by breaking it again and got to shake his hand. THAT was heaven. I saw an A-19 fire its cannon and B-2's F19's, F16's, F18's up close and personal. Well we couldn't get to close to the B-2's.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Prove God doesn't exist.

I've got an invisible dragon in my garage.

PROVE HE DOESN'T EXIST!


(Did I mention that he was pink?)

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Prove God doesn't exist.

The overwhelming lack of actual evidence would suggest that he doesn't really exist.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson


Why do you post such horrific and offensive pictures?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Why do you post such horrific and offensive pictures?

::sigh:: You obviously never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That's a picture of Olaf the Troll. Get it? Troll?

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Why do you post such horrific and offensive pictures?

GOD created everything. He also created that picture! How can you find it offensive when God created it??!?!?!?!?

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by Hawk one
The overwhelming lack of actual evidence would suggest that he doesn't really exist.

Wouldn't ya thunk an all-powerful, omnipresent being would make itself a little more self-evident.

Yeah, me too.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Hawk one
The overwhelming lack of actual evidence would suggest that he doesn't really exist.

THERE ARE TONS OF EVIDENCE!

We'll start here with PROOF of the eternal Hellfire.

The Truth About Hell (http://www.av1611.org/hell.html)

According to Dr. Maurice Rawlings:

"Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, "I am in HELL !" He was TERRIFIED and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer HORROR ! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling — he looked as if his hair was "on end."
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,"Don't you understand? I am in HELL . . . Don't let me go back to HELL !" . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before."

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Hawk one
If God's so omnipotent, then how does he solve the little problem of not actually existing? Ah ha, got ya.

1 Pint of Vodka.
5.5 Vicodin
2 Tabs of Acid

Combine and mix well in your digestive system. Trust me, you will have your answer. I would tell you but it would be in violation of the atheist sekret society.

Oh, and srew that lime in the coconut crap. It doesn't work.

BTW, you can substitute angel dust or 'shrooms for the acid but I can't gurantee the same results.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
::sigh:: You obviously never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That's a picture of Olaf the Troll. Get it? Troll?

I am not a troll and I find your attempts of trying to get people not to listen to me telling. What skeletons are in your closet? Perhaps you need to talk to God because it seems you have issues with Him. You are like a rebelious child, you need to rebuild your bridge with your Father before it's too late.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
THERE ARE TONS OF EVIDENCE!

We'll start here with PROOF of the eternal Hellfire.

The Truth About Hell (http://www.av1611.org/hell.html)

According to Dr. Maurice Rawlings:

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But that's suggesting hell exists... not God...

By the way, what evidence specifically does it offer? Seems full of conjecture to me.

[rwguinn]

Originally posted by RandFan
I live near Edwards Airforce Base. We have some of the greatest Air Shows ever. I saw Chuck Yaeger celebrate the aniversary of his breaking the sound barrier by breaking it again and got to shake his hand. THAT was heaven. I saw an A-19 fire its cannon and B-2's F19's, F16's, F18's up close and personal. Well we couldn't get to close to the B-2's.
I co-oped at EAFB in the 1970's--NASA--
SR-71, F-104's, F8, F-111, X-24A and C, F-15--I even witnessed the first "flight" of the F-16--from beside the runway.
Great Times, Great place--too bad it's in SoCal...

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Hawk one
GOD created everything. He also created that picture! How can you find it offensive when God created it??!?!?!?!?

God created man with free will. That photograph was created by men using their free will to make an idol of their god, Satan.

But make no mistake, Satan too will be suffering in the Hellfire along with those who die with sin. There is only one God and He loves you.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by RandFan
Ah ha, got ya.

1 Pint of Vodka.
5.5 Vicodin
2 Tabs of Acid

Combine and mix well in your digestive system. Trust me, you will have your answer. I would tell you but it would be in violation of the atheist sekret society.

Oh, and srew that lime in the coconut crap. It doesn't work.

BTW, you can substitute angel dust or 'shrooms for the acid but I can't gurantee the same results.

I invented a new drink... I'm drinking it right now... very good.

1/4 to 1/2 finger of maraschino cherry juice (include a couple of cherries)
1/2 to 1 finger of Bacardi white rum (NOT dark)
Fill to top with Coca Cola

I call it "Sex with Trigger"

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
But that's suggesting hell exists... not God...

By the way, what evidence specifically does it offer? Seems full of conjecture to me.

The Holy Bible talks about Hell being beneath the earth. Scientists have discovered that beneath the earth there is lava. THE LAKE OF FIRE!! God spoke of it long before science discovered it!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I am not a troll and I find your attempts of trying to get people not to listen to me telling. What skeletons are in your closet? Perhaps you need to talk to God because it seems you have issues with Him. You are like a rebelious child, you need to rebuild your bridge with your Father before it's too late.

Nobody listens to you anyway.

I'm watching Good Eats right now. He's making doughnuts:

1 1/2 cups milk
2 1/2 ounces vegetable shortening, approximately 1/3 cup
2 packages instant yeast
1/3 cup warm water (95 to 105 degrees F)
2 eggs, beaten
1/4 cup sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon freshly ground nutmeg
23 ounces all-purpose flour, plus more for dusting surface
Peanut or vegetable oil, for frying (1 to 1/2 gallons, depending on fryer)

Place the milk in a medium saucepan and heat over medium heat just until warm enough to melt the shortening. Place the shortening in a bowl and pour warmed milk over. Set aside.

In a small bowl, sprinkle the yeast over the warm water and let dissolve for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes, pour the yeast mixture into the large bowl of a stand mixer and add the milk and shortening mixture, first making sure the milk and shortening mixture has cooled to lukewarm. Add the eggs, sugar, salt, nutmeg, and half of the flour. Using the paddle attachment, combine the ingredients on low speed until flour is incorporated and then turn the speed up to medium and beat until well combined. Add the remaining flour, combining on low speed at first, and then increase the speed to medium and beat well. Change to the dough hook attachment of the mixer and beat on medium speed until the dough pulls away from the bowl and becomes smooth, approximately 3 to 4 minutes. Transfer to a well-oiled bowl, cover, and let rise for 1 hour or until doubled in size.

On a well-floured surface, roll out dough to 3/8-inch thick. Cut out dough using a 2 1/2-inch doughnut cutter or pastry ring and using a 7/8-inch ring for the center whole. Set on floured baking sheet, cover lightly with a tea towel, and let rise for 30 minutes.

Preheat the oil in a deep fryer or Dutch oven to 365 degrees F. Gently place the doughnuts into the oil, 3 to 4 at a time. Cook for 1 minute per side. Transfer to a cooling rack placed in baking pan. Allow to cool for 15 to 20 minutes prior to glazing, if desired.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
The Holy Bible talks about Hell being beneath the earth. Scientists have discovered that beneath the earth there is lava. THE LAKE OF FIRE!! God spoke of it long before science discovered it!

But lava comes to the surface.... why aren't we seeing demons or bones and such? Or is hell invisible?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Nobody listens to you anyway.

I'm watching Good Eats right now. He's making doughnuts:

1 1/2 cups milk
2 1/2 ounces vegetable shortening, approximately 1/3 cup
2 packages instant yeast
1/3 cup warm water (95 to 105 degrees F)
2 eggs, beaten
1/4 cup sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon freshly ground nutmeg
23 ounces all-purpose flour, plus more for dusting surface
Peanut or vegetable oil, for frying (1 to 1/2 gallons, depending on fryer)

Place the milk in a medium saucepan and heat over medium heat just until warm enough to melt the shortening. Place the shortening in a bowl and pour warmed milk over. Set aside.

In a small bowl, sprinkle the yeast over the warm water and let dissolve for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes, pour the yeast mixture into the large bowl of a stand mixer and add the milk and shortening mixture, first making sure the milk and shortening mixture has cooled to lukewarm. Add the eggs, sugar, salt, nutmeg, and half of the flour. Using the paddle attachment, combine the ingredients on low speed until flour is incorporated and then turn the speed up to medium and beat until well combined. Add the remaining flour, combining on low speed at first, and then increase the speed to medium and beat well. Change to the dough hook attachment of the mixer and beat on medium speed until the dough pulls away from the bowl and becomes smooth, approximately 3 to 4 minutes. Transfer to a well-oiled bowl, cover, and let rise for 1 hour or until doubled in size.

On a well-floured surface, roll out dough to 3/8-inch thick. Cut out dough using a 2 1/2-inch doughnut cutter or pastry ring and using a 7/8-inch ring for the center whole. Set on floured baking sheet, cover lightly with a tea towel, and let rise for 30 minutes.

Preheat the oil in a deep fryer or Dutch oven to 365 degrees F. Gently place the doughnuts into the oil, 3 to 4 at a time. Cook for 1 minute per side. Transfer to a cooling rack placed in baking pan. Allow to cool for 15 to 20 minutes prior to glazing, if desired.

One day when you are experiencing the eternal horrors of Hell you will think of this conversation and realize what I was trying to WARN you about.

[RandFan]

"Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, "I am in hell!" Riiight. Someone in medical distress couldn't have dillisuions. Oh, and no judgment bar, no reconciliation just go to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Give me a G!

G!!!

Gimme an O!

O!!!

Gimme a D!

D!!

What's that spell?

GOD!! GOD!!! GOOOOOOOODDDDDDDD!!!!!

God, God, he's our man, if he can lift it, nobody can!!

Come on God, lift that rock!! You can do it!!
http://www.pakmeipai.nl/Images/Pict-Large-HK.Jie-Rock.jpg
Yaaaaaaayyyyy Goooooooodddd!!!!!!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
One day when you are experiencing the eternal horrors of Hell you will think of this conversation and realize what I was trying to WARN you about.

Because...they don't have doughnuts in Hell?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
But lava comes to the surface.... why aren't we seeing demons or bones and such? Or is hell invisible?

Did you read the link I gave you? SCREAMS HAVE BEEN RECORDED AND HEARD!

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Because...they don't have doughnuts in Hell?

I will pray for you.

[DarkMagician]

How do you know we're live? PENIS!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I will pray for you.

And I'll eat doughnuts for you.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
Wouldn't ya thunk an all-powerful, omnipresent being would make itself a little more self-evident.

Yeah, me too.

But if I had made such a botched job of being an omnipotent being, I'd try to stay away from the spotlight for a couple millennia as well, you know. :P

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
And I'll eat doughnuts for you.

You are in for a shock when you meet Him in the end.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are in for a shock when you meet Him in the end.
A shock? Is he Thor now?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Hawk one
But if I had made such a botched job of being an omnipotent being, I'd try to stay away from the spotlight for a couple millennia as well, you know. :P

You are judging God based on your flawed human reasoning.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
A shock? Is he Thor now?

When you die and realize the truth and realize where you have to spend eternity, you are going to be shocked, terrified and you will scream in terror.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are judging God based on your flawed human reasoning.
Meanwhile, I'm reasoning a flawed judge on a human-based God.

[Whyatica]

Can I bring a side of beef to the HELLFIRE and have a barbecue with the other people bound for the HELLFIRE?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When you die and realize the truth and realize where you have to spend eternity, you are going to be shocked, terrified and you will scream in terror.
I dunno. I don't scream very well when I'm shocked. It's more of a pathetic gargling noise.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Meanwhile, I'm reasoning a flawed judge on a human-based God.

WRONG!!

God created MAN, not the other way around. Perhaps you should read the instruction manual to life, The Holy Bible.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Whyatica
Can I bring a side of beef to the HELLFIRE and have a barbecue with the other people bound for the HELLFIRE?
Oh, HELL, yeah! I'll bring the beer.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When you die and realize the truth and realize where you have to spend eternity, you are going to be shocked, terrified and you will scream in terror.

Marquis de Carrabas: Oh no! You will be trampled for eternity by the Invisible Pink Unicorn!!!

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
I dunno. I don't scream very well when I'm shocked. It's more of a pathetic gargling noise.

Stop trying to be cute. When you realize that you have to spend eternity in Hell you will tremble with fear. Because you know what awaits you.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by DangerousBeliefs
I invented a new drink... I'm drinking it right now... very good.

1/4 to 1/2 finger of maraschino cherry juice (include a couple of cherries)
1/2 to 1 finger of Bacardi white rum (NOT dark)
Fill to top with Coca Cola

I call it "Sex with Trigger" Oh cool. My favorite drink is rum and coke with a splash grenadine.

Something else I "invented" that is a hit at parties. In a tall shot glass fill half with Butterscotch Schnapps and half with chocolate liquor. Variations include swapping Peppermint Schnapps Kalua, Irish Cream, etc for the Butterscotch Schnapps. Though you have to experiment to taste. I call them candy bars and I last made about 20 ahead of time and lined them up on a light table (a table for viewing photo slides I happened to have certainly not necessary). They were a huge hit at the party. Make a few up ahead of time. You'll be making them all night. Trust me.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!!

God created MAN, not the other way around. Perhaps you should read the instruction manual to life, The Holy Bible.

So I take it then you've stoned your disobedient daughters?

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!!

God created MAN, not the other way around. Perhaps you should read the instruction manual to life, The Holy Bible.


Let's see... Stoning people for this... Stoning people for that...

By the way, the bible commands you to stone your disobedient daughters. Have you done that yet? If not, then you'll probably be shocked by Thor, because he doesn't really like wimps that can't live what they preach. And 300 000 volt is some serious shocking, I can tell you.

[DarkMagician]

1inch, take some advice from this thread (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=19638&). Even thought that thread's not on JREF, it does have good rules for challenging a group of skeptics.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!!

God created MAN, not the other way around. Perhaps you should read the instruction manual to life, The Holy Bible.
WRONGER!!
MAN rounded the other created God. Perhaps you should instruct the Bible manual to read Life.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Stop trying to be cute. When you realize that you have to spend eternity in Hell you will tremble with fear. Because you know what awaits you.
My cuteness is not an issue... unless your daughters are around. Are they? Because I must say, I'm looking megahot tonight.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Whyatica
Can I bring a side of beef to the HELLFIRE and have a barbecue with the other people bound for the HELLFIRE?

THERE IS NO FOOD IN HELL!!

The bible says you will be begging for a drop of water to put out the fire on your tongue. There is no relief once the gates close behind you.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Let's see... Stoning people for this... Stoning people for that...

By the way, the bible commands you to stone your disobedient daughters. Have you done that yet? If not, then you'll probably be shocked by Thor, because he doesn't really like wimps that can't live what they preach. And 300 000 volt is some serious shocking, I can tell you.

I know I'd be Thor if I got shocked in the end.


And it would be hard to sit down.

[H3LL]

Does this thread hold the record for fastest one to two pages?

One can hardly

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
My cuteness is not an issue... unless your daughters are around. Are they? Because I must say, I'm looking megahot tonight.

You are sick. :mad:

[DarkMagician]

It puts the lotion on the skin, or else it gets the hose again!

[H3LL]

get a word in

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
I know I'd be Thor if I got shocked in the end.


And it would be hard to sit down.

Thor does not exist. Thor is mythology.

[Whyatica]

See, 1inC, there IS food in hell!
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/1739/simpsonsseason5disc14kh.jpg

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are sick. :mad:
So are they?

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are sick. :mad: Yeah, that was pretty weak for MdC's level. Say, MdC, are you comin' down with somethin'?

[rwguinn]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Marquis de Carrabas: Oh no! You will be trampled for eternity by the Invisible Pink Unicorn!!!
I find your Invisible Pink Unicorn!!! offensive.
Bernouli is the true Messia! unless someone plays the Newton Ballistics card.
We all know:
"And Man created God in his own Image"

Why else would he have the manners of a 2-year-old and the personality of a Dominatrix?

Did you hear the Bishop on NBC (US) tonight? He's giving all the credit for the fall of Communism to the Pope, whom the "almighty" is putting through torture and suffering today and tonight...
Too bad they don't talk about his true legacy---child abuse and sexual perversion.

[H3LL]

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[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
WRONGER!!
MAN rounded the other created God. Perhaps you should instruct the Bible manual to read Life.

The Holy Bible is the instruction manual to life. Period. It's been proven over and over again by the fact that since Jesus first came down to earth, people have been trying to prove Christ wrong. But guess what! THEY CAN'T! There are now more Christians today than ever before!

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Thor does not exist. Thor is mythology.

Have you tried speaking with Thor? I mean, really, really tried? You should do that, you know. Sit down for ten minutes and sincerely try and contact him. You might be surprised, or even shocked!

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by rwguinn
Why else would he have the manners of a 2-year-old and the personality of a Dominatrix? Let's not drag the Dominatrixes into this. They're fine-standing citizens of this planet.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
The Holy Bible is the instruction manual to life. Period. It's been proven over and over again by the fact that since Jesus first came down to earth, people have been trying to prove Christ wrong. But guess what! THEY CAN'T! There are now more Christians today than ever before! Not for long. Islam's catching up.

[Dr Adequate]

1inChrist --- do you get a kick out of your torture fantasies? If not, why do you daydream about such sickening things?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Have you tried speaking with Thor? I mean, really, really tried? You should do that, you know. Sit down for ten minutes and sincerely try and contact him. You might be surprised, or even shocked!

THOR IS MYTHOLOGY. No one believes in his existence. Stop trying to compare a fictional story god with the REAL God who revealed Himself through the authors of the Bible.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Thor does not exist. Thor is mythology.
You call this mythology?
http://www.gci.ch/images/heyerdahl3.GIF
Thor is real, man.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by rwguinn
I find your Invisible Pink Unicorn!!! offensive.
Bernouli is the true Messia! unless someone plays the Newton Ballistics card.

You'll find being trampled under those magical hooves even more offensive. But Invisible Pink Unicorn!!! will not care what you find offensive!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Whyatica
See, 1inC, there IS food in hell!
http://img51.exs.cx/img51/1739/simpsonsseason5disc14kh.jpg

Mmmm...doughnuts of the Eternal Hellfire.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
You call this mythology?
http://www.gci.ch/images/heyerdahl3.GIF
Thor is real, man.

That's not funny.

God exists and it's a shame you put faith in logic and reason which is nothing but an illusion created by your flawed human mind which is infested by original sin and Satan. This world is sinful and you must find Christ to escape the vicious circle.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
The Holy Bible is the instruction manual to life. Period. It's been proven over and over again by the fact that since Jesus first came down to earth, people have been trying to prove Christ wrong. But guess what! THEY CAN'T! There are now more Christians today than ever before!
The life Bible instructs holy manuals. Comma. Jesus Christ first proved people tried coming over and over again. And guess what? THEY CAN! There are more todays than Christians before now.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
That's not funny.

God exists and it's a shame you put faith in logic and reason which is nothing but an illusion created by your flawed human mind.
You deny the existence of Thor...after my photographic evidence? Do you require links?

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
THOR IS MYTHOLOGY. No one believes in his existence. Stop trying to compare a fictional story god with the REAL God who revealed Himself through the authors of the Bible.

You only say that because you know Thor would kick God's ass any day of the week. I mean, god has to cheat to even defeat a puny human in hand-to-hand combat (says so in the Bible), obviously he wouldn't stand a chance against Thor.

Again, why don't you really try and contact Thor, instead of keeping up your evil pretense of not believing in him?

And when will you stone your daughters?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Thor does not exist. Thor is mythology. "I know another" --Willy Wonka

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by RandFan
"I know another" --Willy Wonka

What's your problem? THOR IS NOT REAL.

[DarkMagician]

1inch, take the dang advice I gave you in that link.

Otherwise, I've got a really good link you should really look at (http://tinyurl.com/28hfn).

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Thor is as real as Willy Wonka is.

God is as real as Willy Wonka is.

[Whyatica]

ah, but marquis, I have photographic proof of God!! on a tv show

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
1inch, take the dang advice I gave you in that link.

Otherwise, I've got a really good link you should really look at (http://tinyurl.com/28hfn).

What was that all about? I can't believe how you atheists react and the extreme measures you will take in trying to silence me.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What's your problem? THOR IS NOT REAL.
Prove Thor's not real.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Whyatica
ah, but marquis, I have photographic proof of God!! on a tv show
Wow...a cartoon even. I'm convinced. Hey 1inCh, where do I sign up for this heaven gig?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
God is as real as Willy Wonka is.

No God is real. How can you say God is as real as Willy Wonka is? DID WILLY WONKA EVER CREATE A UNIVERSE?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No God is real.

You are right. No God is real.

[Whyatica]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
DID WILLY WONKA EVER CREATE A UNIVERSE?

Absolutely.

[1inChrist]

I see not one atheist has yet to rebut my OP.

I win this debate.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No God is real. How can you say God is as real as Willy Wonka is? DID WILLY WONKA EVER CREATE A UNIVERSE?
He created a bloody chocolate factory--far more impressive than some silly old Universe.

And I'm still waiting for your proof of Thor's non-existence.

edited for typo

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
You are right. No God is real.

NO. I mean: No, God is real.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I see not one atheist has yet to rebut my OP.

I win this debate.
Too bad, it's opposite day. So by saying you win this debate, you looooose it.......













....SUCKA!!!

[Whyatica]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I see not one atheist has yet to rebut my OP.

I win this debate.

You can't beat Homer Simpson in the HELLFIRE eating doughnuts , and Homer Simpson talking to God on his couch.

I win this debate.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
NO. I mean: No, God is real. No, you said "No God is real."

No take-backsies!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
NO. I mean: No, God is real.

Sorry. That's not what you said. You said "No God is real." Period.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Too bad, it's opposite day. So by saying you win this debate, you looooose it.......













....SUCKA!!!

No one yas refuted my argument, I win.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Sorry. That's not what you said. You said "No God is real." Period.

It was a mistake, period. Anyone can see that.

[Whyatica]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No one yas refuted my argument, I win.


You never refuted my argument about Homer Simpson's HELLFIRE doughnuts. I still win.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
What was that all about? I can't believe how you atheists react and the extreme measures you will take in trying to silence me. What, trying to get you to either a) post in a coherent fashion, or b) leave isn't extreme. Hiring snipers or trained ninjas would be.

And it's a bit off-topic, but do you mind moving just a little to the left?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Whyatica
You never refuted my argument about Homer Simpson's HELLFIRE doughnuts. I still win.

Homer Simpson is a fictional character. I find The Simpsons horrific and a bad influence on today's youth.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No one yas refuted my argument, I win.
I will refute it now.

gripping the wheel, his knuckles went white with desire! the wheels of his mustang exploding on the highway like a slug from a .45. True death: 400 horsepower of maximum performance piercing the night... this is black sunshine.

Therefore, you are wrong.

[Whyatica]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Homer Simpson is a fictional character. I find The Simpsons horrific and a bad influence on today's youth.

..Why? Ned Flanders should be your role model!

[Hawk one]

Life is good. I finally got something to use for my signature. :)

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
I will refute it now.

gripping the wheel, his knuckles went white with desire! the wheels of his mustang exploding on the highway like a slug from a .45. True death: 400 horsepower of maximum performance piercing the night... this is black sunshine.

Therefore, you are wrong.

???

Huh?

I showed why logic and reason cannot be applied to God. Because logic and reason comes from the human mind which cannot possible grasp the entire nature of God, therefore pointing out logical contradictions in God does nothing.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Life is good. I finally got something to use for my signature. :)
I woulda taken it, but I'm still wearing in my new lifegazer quote, which I kinda dig. Enjoy!

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Homer Simpson is a fictional character.

So's God.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Life is good. I finally got something to use for my signature. :)

You are taking what I said out of context. That's ok though. Because atheists always take God's Word out of context.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
No God is real. How can you say God is as real as Willy Wonka is? DID WILLY WONKA EVER CREATE A UNIVERSE? He created a paradise made of candy and invited the Oompa Loompa to live with him in peace.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
So's God.

We'll see what you say when you meet Him in the end.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are taking what I said out of context. That's ok though. Because atheists always take God's Word out of context.

He is not taking it out of context. You. Said. Those. Exact. Words. In. That. Order.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by RandFan
He created a paradise made of candy and invited the Oompa Loompa to live with him in peace.

God created love and happiness.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
???

Huh?

I showed why logic and reason cannot be applied to God. Because logic and reason comes from the human mind which cannot possible grasp the entire nature of God, therefore pointing out logical contradictions in God does nothing.
I think you've failed to understand. Let me try again.

She said that she was working for the ABC News. It was as much of the alphabet as she knew how to use. Her perfume was unspeakable; it lingered in the air like her artificial laughter, her mementos of affairs.

Therefore, you are wrong.

[RandFan]

I love Willy Wonka. I think I'm going to get emotional right now.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
I woulda taken it, but I'm still wearing in my new lifegazer quote, which I kinda dig. Enjoy!

First you steal my height, now you were on the verge of stealing my idea. You, sir, are betraying the 408th command of The Invisible Pink Unicorn!!!:

"Thou shalt not seek to steal the persona of Hawk one on the James Randi forum."

You can imagine how that one's caused confusion among the followers of The Invisible Pink Unicorn!!! until I finally registered here. :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
We'll see what you say when you meet Him in the end.

:jaw: I'm not that kind of girl!

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
He is not taking it out of context. You. Said. Those. Exact. Words. In. That. Order.

WHEN I SAID ''NO'' I WAS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION AND WHEN I SAID ''GOD IS REAL'' THAT WAS THE FOLLOW UP TO MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION!

You know what I meant.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
I think you've failed to understand. Let me try again.

She said that she was working for the ABC News. It was as much of the alphabet as she knew how to use. Her perfume was unspeakable; it lingered in the air like her artificial laughter, her mementos of affairs.

Therefore, you are wrong.

If you can't refute my argument, just admit it.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Hawk one
First you steal my height, now you were on the verge of stealing my idea. You, sir, are betraying the 408th command of The Invisible Pink Unicorn!!!:

"Thou shalt not seek to steal the persona of Hawk opne on the James Randi forum."

You can imagine how that one's caused confusion among the followers of The Invisible Pink Unicorn!!! until I finally registered here. :D
Yeah, well, I'm a bastage, what can I say? I like my invisible unicorns plaid.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
God created love and happiness. And if you believe that then he created pain, suffering and Barry Manilow. I think I can forgive him for pain and suffering.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WHEN I SAID ''NO'' I WAS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION AND WHEN I SAID ''GOD IS REAL'' THAT WAS THE FOLLOW UP TO MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION!

You know what I meant.

Yes. I know you meant that no God is real.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!

You may ask but how is that possible. If there is a rock He can't lift, He's not omnipotent. BUT HE'S OMNIPOTENT! He can do it without it being a contradiction because he's omnipotent, He can do anything!

There is no puzzle your limited human reasoning can create that God can't figure out.

What is your evidence? And the Bible doesn't count.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If you can't refute my argument, just admit it. It's because the topics you call arguments are mainly just gibberish.

And you still haven't touched that first link, I see.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If you can't refute my argument, just admit it.
I wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys--those Christian boys. So you can make me come; that doesn't make you Jesus.

[TruthSeeker]

Lisa, may I have one of your hellish doughnuts?

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Lisa, may I have one of your hellish doughnuts?

Of course you can. I'm a generous atheist. I'd even give 1inC a hellfire doughnut.

[DarkMagician]

If God can make a triangular cube and show it to me, it would do what your textual flatuence never could.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Yeah, well, I'm a bastage, what can I say? I like my invisible unicorns plaid.

So does The Invisible Pink Unicorn!!! She's never cared much one way or the other for ordinary invisible unicorns, strangely enough.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Wow... so that's what a screeching halt looks like.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Of course you can. I'm a generous atheist. I'd even give 1inC a hellfire doughnut.

Thank you. Generous atheist? 1inC's head must be spinning at the thought.

1inC, when will you post an apology to Cats and Ny? Will the hellfire doughnuts help?

[Whyatica]

1inC needs to, like, respond before the thread can get started again

[DarkMagician]

Dark Axe-Stump is God!

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Whyatica
1inC needs to, like, respond before the thread can get started again
Really. Every minute he doesn't respond is 60 seconds closer to HELLFIRE for all of us. He needs to get on the ball if he's gunna make quota.

[Lisa Simpson]

He hasn't responded for 19 minutes after I asked for evidence of god's omnipotence.

That means--

I win this debate!!!!

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
He hasn't responded for 19 minutes after I asked for evidence of god's omnipotence.

That means--

I win this debate!!!!
All hail Lisa, Winner of this Thread!! [showers Lisa with adulations]

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
All hail Lisa, Winner of this Thread!! [showers Lisa with adulations]


and hander-outer of doughnuts from hell.

Well deserved, Lisa.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
All hail Lisa, Winner of this Thread!! [showers Lisa with adulations]

Thank you, thank you.

I prefer my adulations in cash.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Thank you, thank you.

I prefer my adulations in cash.
You heard her Puss, pay the lady.

Puss: [grumbles] Here's a fiver. It's all I've got.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
You heard her Puss, pay the lady.

Puss: [grumbles] Here's a fiver. It's all I've got.

Big smoochies for Puss.

[Hawk one]

So Lisa, how about you throw a spontaneous Pagan ritual with extra much nudity from everyone to celebrate your victory? :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Hawk one
So Lisa, how about you throw a spontaneous Pagan ritual with extra much nudity from everyone to celebrate your victory? :D

Sounds good! Nekkidity all around! It will have to be BYOS*, though. I'm on a budget.






*Bring Your Own Sacrifice

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Sounds good! Nekkidity all around! It will have to be BYOS*, though. I'm on a budget.






*Bring Your Own Sacrifice

*Throws off all his clothes and starts dancing silly dances that can only be danced while nekkid.*

Oh, and I bring a bag of Dig-Ins Cheese Rings (Norwegian variant. Basically it's cheesy poffs, but made into rings, and spiced up to be hot) as a sacrifice. The proper way of sacrificing is to place three or four on a moist, soft surface found within the mouth, and then proceed with a short, but important ritual called Sw'Al-Low-W'inG.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Hawk one
So Lisa, how about you throw a spontaneous Pagan ritual with extra much nudity from everyone to celebrate your victory? :D Did someone say nudity?

[DarkMagician]

Nudity makes the duck* drop, and give you fifty dollars**.



*and by "duck" I mean "pants"

** and by "give you fifty dollars" I mean "scare the shizit out of you"

[Z]

So... Lisa kisses Puss...

***resist the urge resist the urge resist the urge***

ahem

Anyway, what were we talking about again? Oh, 1inChrist's blatant dishonesty. Gotcha.

[Alkatran]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!

You may ask but how is that possible. If there is a rock He can't lift, He's not omnipotent. BUT HE'S OMNIPOTENT! He can do it without it being a contradiction because he's omnipotent, He can do anything!

There is no puzzle your limited human reasoning can create that God can't figure out.

Let's see what's wrong with this argument:
I propose a test for God.
Using only logical means, of which the human mind can comprehend. Create a square triangle.

There, now God can't break the rules.


Therefore, I win. ;)

[H'ethetheth]

1inChrist, I can meticulously refute your argument because to do this I would have to use reason, which is a tool of satan.
Refraining from reason is interesing because God is not omnipotent if I can describe a sentence to decribe impotence in terms of authority to do this or that. Of course, some of us here agree, that just because one can't do such a thing, doesn't imply that one hasn't.
Now such a sentence could be constructed as follows, because if it wouldn't, it follows that any sentence could be constructed at all. However, I usually find that that is a good thing.

As you can clearly see,

(1)you have been wrong and
(2)I'm not associated with satan.

By the way, are you a landover baptist (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/)?


Edited because of reason

[Maccara]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You are taking what I said out of context. That's ok though. Because atheists always take God's Word out of context.
Say what? Are you really God? Who would've guessed... :D

[Beleth]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.Okay, so God is so powerful that He can do things that are logically impossible. I grant you this.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!So God is so powerful that he can both make a rock so heavy that He can't lift it, and He can lift it. Again, I grant you this.

Very well. By your definition, God is omnipotent beyond the constraints of logic. I grant you this as well.

Let's see where this leads us.

If God is beyond logic, then He both possesses every attribute and does not possess every attribute, in the same way He can make an unliftable rock and lift it.

Therefore God both exists and does not exist.

Therefore God does not exist.

I accept this conclusion which your reasoning has led us to. Do you? If not, would you care to show me where the error lies?

[ilk]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
I wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys--those Christian boys. So you can make me come; that doesn't make you Jesus.

Theeeeese precious thiiiiiiiings. Let them bleed, let them wash away!

[ilk]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
Nudity makes the duck* drop, and give you fifty dollars**.



*and by "duck" I mean "pants"

** and by "give you fifty dollars" I mean "scare the shizit out of you"

mnnnnn I will give you...mnnnnnnnn one hundred dollars...mnnnnnn to touch your toes.

[Pahansiri]

I was thinking of the ways that would be best to respond and thought I should do it in song.

A 1, a2 a1-2-3-4

God went down to Saratoga
he was looking for a soul to heal
And he was in a bind
'Cause he was way behind from control-in 1inChrist mind
And was willin' to make a deal.

When he came upon this Buddhist postin in the
JREF Forms and looking exceedingly hot ( for his age)
God jumped up on a imported
end table and said,
"Buddha Boy let me tell you what:

I bet you didn't know it
but I'm a JREF Forms poster too,
And if you care to take a dare
I'll make a bet with you
Now you do pretty logical postin Buddha boy
But give God his due
I'll bet a hard drive of gold against your soul
'Cause I think I'm more logical than you."



The Buddha boy said, "My name's Pahansiri
And I may be no longer be that thin
But I'll take your bet, your gonna regret
'Cause I'm the most logical that's ever been, well siting in my chair"

Pahansiri rosin up your brain and play your
Key board hard 'Cause heavens broke loose in Saratoga
And the God deals the cards
And if you win you get this shiny Hard Drive made of gold
But if you lose the God gets your soul.

God opened up his lap Top and he said,
"I'll start this show."
And little harps flew from his fingertips

As he rosined up his brain
And he put his fingers across the keyboards
And it made a mythical hiss
Then a band of cherubs joined in
And it sounded something like this

Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!

You may ask but how is that possible. If there is a rock He can't lift, He's not omnipotent. BUT HE'S OMNIPOTENT! He can do it without it being a contradiction because he's omnipotent, He can do anything!

There is no puzzle your limited human reasoning can create that God can't figure out.

When God finished Pahansiri said,
"Well you're pretty good ol' son!
But sit down in that chair right there
And let me show you how it's done!"

Fire on the Adirondacks, run boys run
Gods in the house of the Buddhist hun
Free range Chickens in the breadpan, picking out dough
Granny does your dog bite? No, child, no

God can you make 1inChrist and lifegazer prove something they say?


The God bowed his head
Because he knew that he'd been beat,
And he laid that golden hard drive
On the ground at Pahansiri's feet
Pahansiri said, "God, just come on back
if you ever wanna try again and you can explain how the child who is kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed has the Christan idea of free will.
I done told you once,
You son-of-a-virgin,
I'm the best that's ever been!" If you don’t count everyone else

Fire on the Adirondacks, run boys run
Gods in the house of the Buddhist hun
Free range Chickens in the breadpan, picking out dough
Granny does your dog bite? No, child, no






http://www.mamarocks.com/sleepy.gif http://www.mamarocks.com/grandmarocker.gif

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
[B]I was thinking of the ways that would be best to respond and God can you make 1inChrist and lifegazer prove something they say?


The God bowed his head


:dl:

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
But make no mistake, Satan too will be suffering in the Hellfire along with those who die with sin. There is only one God and He loves you.

I wonder 1inC, what if satan accepts Jesuschrist as his personal saviour???? Then what?

[Pahansiri]

1inChrist may I ask with respect, can God make himself not exist?

[billydkid]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!

You may ask but how is that possible. If there is a rock He can't lift, He's not omnipotent. BUT HE'S OMNIPOTENT! He can do it without it being a contradiction because he's omnipotent, He can do anything!

There is no puzzle your limited human reasoning can create that God can't figure out.

Well, that's remarkably stupid. In as much as atheists believe their is no such entity as "God" you can not very well argue that they try to point out contradictions in his nature. What they do do is point out how flawed any conception you or anyone else may contrive of what would constitute a "God".

[control_zape]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.


Well let's see... square triangles you asked? Square triangles you'll get

http://www.straw.com/quilting/graphics/ha_sqtri1.gif

http://www.straw.com/quilting/graphics/hapins2.gif

you can obtain your own square triangles and be as omnipotent as you want from . here (http://quilting.about.com/library/weekly/aa022298.htm)

[Throg]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
If you can't refute my argument, just admit it.

I know there's no point to this but, I'm new here an still haven't learned that heads and brick walls don't mix.

1inChrist, you began this whole thread by asserting essentially that we cannot apply logic to God. There is no way to move from abandoning logic to any sort of argument. You have no argument to refute.

I, and I suspect virtually everyone else here, rejects your assertion but if you accept your own assertion then you have no argument. You have gibberish. One cannot refute gibberish anymore than one can wrestle with a smell.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by control_zape
Well let's see... square triangles you asked? Square triangles you'll get

http://www.straw.com/quilting/graphics/ha_sqtri1.gif

http://www.straw.com/quilting/graphics/hapins2.gif

you can obtain your own square triangles and be as omnipotent as you want from . here (http://quilting.about.com/library/weekly/aa022298.htm) Triangular cube! I demand my triangluar cube!

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Fire on the Adirondacks, run boys run
Gods in the house of the Buddhist hun
Free range Chickens in the breadpan, picking out dough
Granny does your dog bite? No, child, no :D

[Doomdude]

I just have to join in on this one:) , Is this guy for real or is it a big wind up.
Na, It's got to be a wind up, no one that daft would be let loose in these forums.

[NickW]

Originally posted by Whyatica
Can I bring a side of beef to the HELLFIRE and have a barbecue with the other people bound for the HELLFIRE?
HELLFIRE should be in bold, not just red. Get it right :D :hit:
Hellfire: :j2:

[Z]

God inspired me to instill a new rule at JREF today, on behalf of Christ and 1inChrist: From now on, no poster with less than 500 posts may post in these fora until their post count exceeds 500.

:D

j.k.

But that's about the level of logic that we see from some individuals...

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Doomdude
I just have to join in on this one:) , Is this guy for real or is it a big wind up.
Na, It's got to be a wind up, no one that daft would be let loose in these forums. A number of posters are convinced that he is pulling our leg. Who knows, the best thing is not to get offended by his remarks. It doesn't help either way.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

Can God make square triangles? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything.

Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lifT it? YES! He's omnipotent, He can do anything!

You may ask but how is that possible. If there is a rock He can't lift, He's not omnipotent. BUT HE'S OMNIPOTENT! He can do it without it being a contradiction because he's omnipotent, He can do anything!

There is no puzzle your limited human reasoning can create that God can't figure out.

How exactly is God omnipotent when there are other beings with free will? Either God chooses not to excercise power over the other beings or is simply unable to, which is really the same thing from a deterministic, Biblical standpoint anyhow.

[Ausmerican]

OneInchRist should beware Satan has Johnny Cochrane for a lawyer now and when Cochrane employs the Chewbacca defense he'll win this debate.

[control_zape]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
Triangular cube! I demand my triangluar cube!

For that perhaps you should resort to the egyptians according with these history bloopers (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/7474/blhistor.html) :

The pyramids are a range of mountains between France and Spain. The Egyptians built the pyramids in the shape of a huge triangular cube. The inhabitants of Egypt were called mummies. Ancient Egypt was inhabited by mummies, and they all wrote in hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert and traveled by Camelot. The climate of the Sarah is such that the inhabitants have to live elsewhere, so certain areas of the dessert are cultivated by irritation. Early Egyptian women often wore a garment called a calasiris. It was a sheer dress which started beneath the breasts which hung to the floor. The Egyptians built the Pyramids in the shape of a huge triangular cube. The Pramids are a range of mountains between France and Spain.

[uruk]

Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.
A perfect god created flawed, limited humans. There's your contradicition.

IF god can do anything, why can he make a perfect unflawed human?

[ReFLeX]

What does "I win this debate" allude to?

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by ReFLeX
What does "I win this debate" allude to?
See where it all began (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45714&highlight=argument+from+bedtime).

[Hal Bidlack]

If you are not convinced that 1inc is just joshing after reading this thread, I will be suprised. It seems very very likely to me that the guy is just kidding around. I confess I find his satire quite amusing.

[sackett]

Originally posted by Hal Bidlack
... 1inc ... is just kidding around ...

I'm not so sure of that, Hal. Try posting something about his daughters.

Who are very, very HOT little chits, BTW. They don't want to be saved, and they don't hang with anybody who does. Yyyyyess!

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by sackett
I'm not so sure of that, Hal. Try posting something about his daughters.

Who are very, very HOT little chits, BTW. They don't want to be saved, and they don't hang with anybody who does. Yyyyyess! I don't know why people haven't tried hitting on his little piece of sweet buttocks. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/NikeYoung/Emoticons/love.gif

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

--- Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being. ---

"Atheists" may not think they see a God at all or may see God differently than "Christians" do. That is what "free will" is about. That does not make them better than or less than "Christians".
Christians should not judge Non Christians. We are commanded to unconditionally love everyone. This is for our own good. Christians are not privileged and err like anyone else, the only difference is they are supposed to know why!

We all have choices we can make.

Many "Christians" do not really understand the true nature or person of God. It is a never ending process! It is only through each of our own individual experiences and SEEKING TRUTH in and through God and his creation that God is known. Trying to describe the beauty and majesty of God with words is impossible. He is beyond Human description. Imagine the Most Beautiful Animal> Man or Woman or Creature you have ever known or seen. Someone or something who’s "cute" or loving or whatever you "like" God is even more beautiful! IN ALL WAYS! INDESCRIBEABLE! If we remember this we can stay grateful and humble. Remember, he created us all.

One may think of the "Contradictions" as a mere difference in human perceptions. God is not capable of contradiction, he just IS! He loves all because He is LOVE!

[Elind]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Anyone care to actually answer my argument? Or are you just going to try and sugar-coat the truth of God with humor? Like I have said before, the relief from the fear of God through humor is only temporary. I know seeing a joke about Satan or a joke about God eases the fear a little but it's only temporary. The truth and God are eternal.

There is no argument. I might as well say that my gods are also omnipotent, but since there are more than your one, they can undo whatever yours does, so yours is not omnipotent and, humorously speaking, it's omnipotence all the way down.

Try to understand, it's YOU people don't take seriously. God could solve all this in the next microsecond with a miracle or two, but instead he sends you!

Get the picture?

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Elind,

yes! You are correct! I am in agreement! But its EASY FOR ME TO AGREE as I am a believer!

I was once thinking like you were until I SOUGHT THE TRUTH through fear and trembling! Study, Prayer, and A Near Death experience helped me do this.

You wrote:
Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

I am glad you see the above is true. Although God is much bigger than this one above statement! It is nearly impossible for us to completely understand God in the present state we are in. This is where Jesus helps us. WE NEED HIS HELP! If we looked into the face of God we would surely die in our present state. NOT BECAUSE GOD IS BAD OR MEAN BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL SINNED (made errors) AND FALLEN SHORT OF HIS GLORY. HE CAN NOT MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR ANYONE! EVEN US! OR THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WOULD FALL APART! ONLY JESUS SAVES US BECAUSE WE ARE ACCEPTING OF HIM AND HE FORGIVES US! GOD ACTUALLY CANNOT FORGIVE US ALONE. When God looks at us now God sees "A little Jesus in us"! Thank you Jesus, You saved us all from the wrath of Gods pure nature! So we should be thankful that God is tough! otherwise everything would unravel in the universe!


Just as importantly we should remember:

It is not a Christians Job to "force" belief systems on others outside the faith. It is only our job to lead by example as we follow Christ and correct IN LOVE. LOVE is the key!

Horizontal comparisons are worthless; we need to compare ourselves to perfection. If we keep comparing ourselves to "others", or in argument out side the faith how can we keep our eye on the prize of redemption? This grieves the spirit and we then will lose our integrity as we “defend� a position and we are again in sin. It is written, those in the world LORD it over one another. NOT SO AMONG YOU!! Agreement here is important!

In Romans: Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [ Some later manuscripts Jesus, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit,]

If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. I hope my correction in Love will help you to be more patient with these non believers. We should help them patiently, IN LOVE, LOVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Elind,

Please forgive me, my last message was meant for 1inChrist.

Carry on, my error!

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

1inChrist,

yes! You are correct! I am in agreement! But its EASY FOR ME TO AGREE as I am a believer!

I was once thinking like you were until I SOUGHT THE TRUTH through fear and trembling! Study, Prayer, and A Near Death experience helped me do this.

You wrote:
Atheists try and point out contradictions in God's nature. However, their base is flawed because they are relying on their limited human reasoning to understand and comprehend the nature of an OMNIPOTENT being.

I am glad you see the above is true. Although God is much bigger than this one above statement! It is nearly impossible for us to completely understand God in the present state we are in. This is where Jesus helps us. WE NEED HIS HELP! If we looked into the face of God we would surely die in our present state. NOT BECAUSE GOD IS BAD OR MEAN BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL SINNED (made errors) AND FALLEN SHORT OF HIS GLORY. HE CAN NOT MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR ANYONE! EVEN US! OR THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WOULD FALL APART! ONLY JESUS SAVES US BECAUSE WE ARE ACCEPTING OF HIM AND HE FORGIVES US! GOD ACTUALLY CANNOT FORGIVE US ALONE. When God looks at us now God sees "A little Jesus in us"! Thank you Jesus, You saved us all from the wrath of Gods pure nature! So we should be thankful that God is tough! otherwise everything would unravel in the universe!


Just as importantly we should remember:

It is not a Christians Job to "force" belief systems on others outside the faith. It is only our job to lead by example as we follow Christ and correct IN LOVE. LOVE is the key!

Horizontal comparisons are worthless; we need to compare ourselves to perfection. If we keep comparing ourselves to "others", or in argument out side the faith how can we keep our eye on the prize of redemption? This grieves the spirit and we then will lose our integrity as we “defend� a position and we are again in sin. It is written, those in the world LORD it over one another. NOT SO AMONG YOU!! Agreement here is important!

In Romans: Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [ Some later manuscripts Jesus, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit,]

If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. I hope my correction in Love will help you to be more patient with these non believers. We should help them patiently, IN LOVE, LOVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
*snip*
If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements.
*snip*
I, for one, would love to see more science that further supports the above, particularly your assertion that the universe would fall apart if God made "exceptions" for us. You can include the scripture, too, if you feel you must.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. I hope my correction in Love will help you to be more patient with these non believers. We should help them patiently, IN LOVE, LOVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

Greetings Goddoesnotplaydice, welcome to this site and I hope you are well and happy.

First allow me to say I respect your belief and right to believe as you will as I respect all beings and their rights.

I really was not going to respond to your post as I respect what you were saying to another person of your faith and your statements were not directed to me. Then I came to the end of your post and to the paragraph above.


This statement is very rude and condescending, it is rife with the fuel for anger and hatred. It is just this “us and them� illusion that is the cause throughout history for most war and hatred and resulting pain, suffering and death. This is seen in your religion greatly through the crusades.

The belief that you are “ wise and good, mature� and others who do not believe as you do are “ lost, fools, children that we need patient with as they are like blind and dumb children� your statement is not one of love it is of great ego and self. You believe something and so it just must be right and all others wrong and needing your patients and guidance.

Please take a look at your statement Love will help you to be more patient with these non believers We should help them patiently and now imagine it reading the following way Love will help you to be more patient with these “believers, you know the crazy things they believe We should help them patiently��

You would I believe find this insulting.

I do believe you are convinced your desire to convert others is out of love but the reality is it is based solely in self, in ego.

I am Buddhist ( not that that matters) for me I do not desire to “make� anyone become Buddhist or make anyone believe anything. I have no such power nor do you nor anyone. No one can make anyone think, feel or believe anything.

All I desire is to really live so where my actions spread the seeds of loving kindness, respect and compassion. Doing this for all living things.

Telling people what they believe what they hold dear ( that which does not cause real harm to themselves or others) is wrong, that they are lost and foolish etc is not love it is ego.

Be well.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Elind,

Please forgive me, my last message was meant for 1inChrist.

Carry on, my error!

Boy, I must say you had me muttering "what the hell..." until I came to the next post...

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

I love your song. it is very creative! :) There are some very intelligent people on this board, and others to be humbled! myself included?!?

Boy, I can see this thread is on fire already!! Should we put this one out or "let it burn"? I suppose we can let the conjecture continue with proper "steering" of it! big rocks and God? hmm how quaint!

Marquis de Carabas

I will have to complie a large amount of scientific data and historical context for you. (how good is your math)? The scripture side is a little easyer to just put out there, but proper interpretation is not (this is really meant for 1inchrist)! oops! (i really am supposed to correct him in private) I appoligize 1inchrist, please forgive me)! Marquis de Carabas the math and science side is not so easy to describe in short. I do appreciate you ability to be open and I will spend time on it for all of us!! (mainly it's for me)! Boy I love this !!!
How much time do we all have here? This could be a dooooosy!

Hey every one! keep on looking and testing! The truth is not easy to find! :) I just like to give it a "nudge" now and then!

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice

Marquis de Carabas

I will have to complie a large amount of scientific data and historical context for you. (how good is your math)? The scripture side is a little easyer to just put out there, but proper interpretation is not (this is really meant for 1inchrist)! oops! (i really am supposed to correct him in private) I appoligize 1inchrist, please forgive me)! Marquis de Carabas the math and science side is not so easy to describe in short. I do appreciate you ability to be open and I will spend time on it for all of us!! (mainly it's for me)! Boy I love this !!!
How much time do we all have here? This could be a dooooosy!

My math is pretty decent. And if you go over my head, that'll just give me an excuse to learn more, so no worries there. We have all the time in the world.

Might I suggest you start a new thread for this endeavour? Many possibly interested parties would no doubt miss it here on the back pages of a 1inChrist thread.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Pahansiri,

I love your song. it is very creative! :) There are some very intelligent people on this board, and others to be humbled! myself included?!?

Boy, I can see this thread is on fire already!! Should we put this one out or "let it burn"? I suppose we can let the conjecture continue with proper "steering" of it! big rocks and God? hmm how quaint!

Marquis de Carabas

I will have to complie a large amount of scientific data and historical context for you. (how good is your math)? The scripture side is a little easyer to just put out there, but proper interpretation is not (this is really meant for 1inchrist)! oops! (i really am supposed to correct him in private) I appoligize 1inchrist, please forgive me)! Marquis de Carabas the math and science side is not so easy to describe in short. I do appreciate you ability to be open and I will spend time on it for all of us!! (mainly it's for me)! Boy I love this !!!
How much time do we all have here? This could be a dooooosy!

Hey every one! keep on looking and testing! The truth is not easy to find! :) I just like to give it a "nudge" now and then!


Greetings my new friend


I love your song. it is very creative!

lol. Thank you just be thankful you did not actually hear me sing it as stopping the bleeding from yours can be a hard task.

Boy, I can see this thread is on fire already!! Should we put this one out or "let it burn"?

From a forest that burns great new growth emerges.

I suppose we can let the conjecture continue with proper "steering" of it! big rocks and God? hmm how quaint!


This sounds like again a statement of great ego and emotion. You have no power to stop or let continue anyone’s post, words, actions or thoughts but your own.

proper "steering"

ego…

Why do you find the rock too heavy to lift question to be “quaint�?

May I ask? I understand you believe that from your near death experience came proof of your belief and I respect that. Each year thousands have such experiences many will differ greatly from yours, why is yours true or valid and theirs not?

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

I wrote:
If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. I hope my correction in Love will help you to be more patient with these non believers. We should help them patiently, IN LOVE, LOVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

Now I can certainly see how this above is inflammatory. My heart and mind need correction here!

I should have possibly written:
If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. I hope my correction in Love will help you to be more patient. Spiritual pride and ego is error. We are all seeking truth here. We should help one another patiently, IN LOVE, LOVE AND UNITY IS MOST IMPORTANT.

I am humbled by your correction! Thank you! You are ABSOLUTELY right. I try to divide us and this is WRONG of me.
Just because I "believe" does not make me right or us so different.
I just do not know what to say. I really need to LEARN THIS ONE!

I also made the mistake of correcting 1inchrist in front of everyone. I was supposed to do this in private.

You are truly a good person Pahansiri, I am not butt kissing here I just need to learn this lesson. My judgmental religious domestication can take time to undue. Thank you for understanding.

I need to stay grateful, humble and teachable at all times!

[Elind]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice


I also made the mistake of correcting 1inchrist in front of everyone. I was supposed to do this in private.


We would all die of boredom before our time if you followed that rule. Don't worry, we are here to learn from corrections and 1inC is well aware of that, as you will find out soon enough;)

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice


Now I can certainly see how this above is inflammatory. My heart and mind need correction here!

I very much respect you that you can look at that way.

I should have possibly written:
If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. I hope my correction in Love will help you to be more patient. Spiritual pride and ego is error. We are all seeking truth here. We should help one another patiently, IN LOVE, LOVE AND UNITY IS MOST IMPORTANT.

I respect that.

I am humbled by your correction! Thank you! You are ABSOLUTELY right. I try to divide us and this is WRONG of me.

I do not believe you tried to divide I believe we are not always mindful or our words and actions I know I am among the leader board when it comes to mistakes.

I try to first look when I say something or do something this way “ what if this was said or done to me?�


Just because I "believe" does not make me right or us so different.
I just do not know what to say. I really need to LEARN THIS ONE!


You have joined a large team.

You are truly a good person Pahansiri, I am not butt kissing here I just need to learn this lesson. My judgmental religious domestication can take time to undue. Thank you for understanding.

I need to stay grateful, humble and teachable at all times!

I am not good or bad.. What I know for certain is there is certainly more I do not know then there is I do. Be well my new friend.

[Alkatran]

Alright, new guy, answer this.

I grant you that God can do ANYTHING (and I mean ANYTHING, destroy himself and still be there), even logically contradictory things.

But can he do this?
I challenge God to do (standard paradox) without breaking the laws of logic or doing something I won't understand.


There. Now God has to play by the rules. Except, if he plays by the rules he can't do it! And if he doesn't play by the rules he can't do it either!

Therefore, God can't do everything.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

You asked:

Why do you find the rock too heavy to lift question to be “quaint�?

I suppose it is because I believe we all have more important philosophical and "religious" differences to mend in this world. Maybe it will start here with this rock question? I am not sure. But I “feel� an exculpatory question like the � rock “ one seems to minimize the Wholeness and Completeness of God down to a game of dice. God is beyond complete description by me. How would I even paint or sculpt a “picture� of God? I can maybe play a song about him, and “Try� to describe him but this is all I can do. I do not think I could really say “This song or conjecture describes God completely�. Even though that might be what I do best. Thus my board name. Goddoesnotplaydice. Does that answer your question?

As far as steering goes, I seem to be good at it. As long as I keep the cart on the road!!!
If I do not! Please Jump off at a moments notice!

I must go as I have work to attend to, I have enjoyed this board so much, I will stick around and learn some more!
�

[Hal Bidlack]

ah, the comic alure or sock puppetry... :)

[Pahansiri]

Pahansiri,

You asked:

Why do you find the rock too heavy to lift question to be “quaint�?

I suppose it is because I believe we all have more important philosophical and "religious" differences to mend in this world. Maybe it will start here with this rock question? I am not sure. But I “feel� an exculpatory question like the � rock “ one seems to minimize the Wholeness and Completeness of God down to a game of dice. God is beyond complete description by me. How would I even paint or sculpt a “picture� of God? I can maybe play a song about him, and “Try� to describe him but this is all I can do. I do not think I could really say “This song or conjecture describes God completely�. Even though that might be what I do best. Thus my board name. Goddoesnotplaydice. Does that answer your question?



I understand what you are saying when it is stated as a belief, “ This is what I believe “ if it is stated as a fact, if it is used to demand others wrong and you right then you need first.

1- prove God exist
2- Prove it is your God and not one of the thousands of others.
3- Prove the Wholeness and Completeness of God
4- Prove God is beyond complete description
5- Prove Goddoesnotplaydice etc

Side note God may not play dice but if he plays poker and really is all-powerful can he make a nut flush beat kings full of 8’s. If so I could have used him this weekend..


If I were to say to you “ there is no God and the reason for it is so complex I can not paint a picture of it� would you simply then say “ Oh crap he is right�?


As far as steering goes, I seem to be good at it. As long as I keep the cart on the road!!!
If I do not! Please Jump off at a moments notice!

Well I believe it is a statement of great ego but I may be wrong but I do believe you have hit a road that your vehicle can not climb it is called JREF. I guess time will tell.



Be well my new friend.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Hal Bidlack
ah, the comic alure or sock puppetry... :)

You may be right, you may be right.. Time will tell..... This may very well be 1inchrist.

[Elind]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
You may be right, you may be right.. Time will tell..... This may very well be 1inchrist.

Don't think so. Too much thought, however odd.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice

I suppose it is because I believe we all have more important philosophical and "religious" differences to mend in this world. Maybe it will start here with this rock question? I am not sure. But I “feel� an exculpatory question like the � rock “ one seems to minimize the Wholeness and Completeness of God down to a game of dice. God is beyond complete description by me. How would I even paint or sculpt a “picture� of God? I can maybe play a song about him, and “Try� to describe him but this is all I can do. I do not think I could really say “This song or conjecture describes God completely�. Even though that might be what I do best. Thus my board name. Goddoesnotplaydice. Does that answer your question?
Words, words, words. I'm so sick of words. I get words all day though--first from him, now from you? Is that all you blighters can do?

You said above you had science to support you. Show me. Show us all.

[Pahansiri]

But I “feel� an exculpatory question like the � rock “ one seems to minimize the Wholeness and Completeness of God down to a game of dice.

Not at all.

If you / someone states God is fact and all powerful then there is by no means a way the “can God make a rock so heavy he can not lift it� is an exculpatory question. It is a testing of a statement made as fact.

If you are very ill and a man hands you a small bottle telling you what is contained inside will make you feel better, will you simply just take his word and drink it?

If the man tells you he is a famous DR just drink it, will you believe to test him, his statements would be exculpatory?

I do not understand the game of dice analogy here, if he exist and is all powerful there is no dice game, no game of chance the answer would be a clear yes and be provable.

I am sure just because someone says to you;
the 100’ pink invisible rabbit is beyond complete description by me. How would I even paint or sculpt a “picture� of the 100’ pink invisible rabbit? I can maybe play a song about him, and “Try� to describe him but this is all I can do. I do not think I could really say “This song or conjecture describes the 100’ pink invisible rabbit completely�. Even though that might be what I do best. Thus my board name. the 100’ pink invisiblerabbitdoesnotplaydice. Does that answer your question?

I am sure you would say “ NO it does not�

[Marquis de Carabas]

God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players , to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.

--Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, [i]Good Omens

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
God does not play dice with the universe. He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players , to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.

--Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman, [i]Good Omens

Very nice..

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

All,

Very Good questions! I am not sure! Maybe I do not even "know" yet.

Let me meditate for some time on these questions and look inward and see if I possibly can "pull a 100' pink invisible rabbit out of a hat!" But then maybe I can not/maybe I can? words, words, words! I agree! But I do think I know one thing, I probably can not do it with out many of you to help me and challenge me.

I will again look over some "conjectures" in math I have been studying. Is the answer there? Maybe part of it? I do not know. I do know I enjoy learning and I ENJOY all of your questions. This sharpens my mind. Logic is WONDERFUL!

I hope I can find some answers as I learn more from you all.

I must go I am busy today!

Thank you all. I will reply in more detail as soon as I can! This will take some deep thought.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice

Thank you all. I will reply in more detail as soon as I can! This will take some deep thought.
Well, something's getting pretty deep around here.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

OK here we go! I will need help here and I may need correction!
Please help me out so we may solve it. Only together and with Good intent we can. I will try to follow the TOTE model form (Test Operate Test Exit). A new test model and architecture will need to be formed prior to its completion.

I have pondered this question intellectually for many years but not enough spiritually or philosophically. So I will start with the intellectual or "Logical Mathematics" first. The other spiritual and (philo) Philosophical solutions will come later. Then a more complete architectural test model can be built. This will be multi perceptive.

The answer about God and the rock Q is no. He can not make something so big he can not lift it or he would not be the one and only true God.

IT is because he is both1 X 10 ^googolplex...LARGE = infinite and 1 X 10 minus^ googolplex... small = infinite. Therefore, then he cannot by his very nature make something too big or too small to handle or lift. He is Omnipotent so he IS at both ends that do not end. He can perform the task infinitely faster than we can even calculate it. This is described in this math conjecture: This is the NP portion of this conjecture, it is easy to check. It is not easy to find (remember: The Truth is not easy to find / philo). GOD IS IN ALL THIS BECAUSE HE IS EVERYWHERE AT ONCE! SO IS HE IS ALSO THE "P" in this one equation. (AND HE IS BIGGER) AND not ONLY THE P AND THE NP because there are still 6 other unsolved conjectures.

Therefore I will continue: Read here first: P_vs_NP Conjecture.
http://www.claymath.org/millennium/P_vs_NP/
p.s. We get a $million if we solve this one. And 6 million more left.

On the issue of describing God in his completeness I will explain why this is presently problematic for us in our current state or plain of existence. (Although I will later Give "Unsolved" math conjectures that if solved may prove his existence). Although I can not yet answer for another plain that does exist e.g. the spiritual realm, so I can only conjecture on this spiritual issue later in this text. In this area again I will need multi- perspective help!

If anyone were to solve these math conjectures, the Randi prize would be small by comparison to what they would "win" in proving God exists through these math conjecture solutions. A possible Nobel Prize also waits. (Although anyone with any possibility of winning would in good intent give the prize right to God himself)! IN SECRET! And fully shared winnings, otherwise I am afraid God may not reveal the truth to us. This is my “opinion� which I regard quite highly concerning God getting all Glory.

I have had a long day and I hope you all excuse me as I retire. I will continue with the conjecture's other solutions as soon as I possibly can. I will sleep and meditate further on the solution.

[H'ethetheth]

Hi Goddoesnotplaydice,

I've got some questions about this.
You say
Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
...Therefore, then he cannot by his very nature make something too big or too small to handle or lift.but also......He is Omnipotent so He IS at both ends that do not end. He can perform the task infinitely faster than we can even calculate it...
These two statements seem contradictory, and the reason for all this is supposedly... ...because he is both1 X 10 ^googolplex...LARGE = infinite and 1 X 10 minus^ googolplex... small = infinite.which is in itself contradictory.
First, what is your definition of omnipotence and what is your view on logical contradiction?
Secondly, the numbers you give are both very much finite numbers, though very different in size. Why didn't you choose "infinite" and "zero"? Is it to demonstrate the impractical nature of the numbers, like in the mathematical problem you refer to? Why then did you choose "googolplex" as an exponent as opposed to, say 1000?
Finally, how do the first two contradictory statements follow from this paradoxical premise? By mutual paradox?

If anyone were to solve these math conjectures, the Randi prize would be small by comparison to what they would "win" in proving God exists through these math conjecture solutions. This puzzles me as well. If someone proves that these problems actually are as hard to solve as they seem, they automatically prove that God exists?

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
If anyone were to solve these math conjectures, the Randi prize would be small by comparison to what they would "win" in proving God exists through these math conjecture solutions. How would solving the question of whether P = NP prove the existence of God?

[Pahansiri]

Hello again Goddoesnotplaydice

You can not prove the existence of god or Santa or 100’ bunnies by using a formula where god or Santa or 100’ bunnies are presented as already a known fact i.e. “GOD IS IN ALL THIS BECAUSE HE IS EVERYWHERE AT ONCE! SO IS HE IS ALSO THE "P"� and (AND HE IS BIGGER)

Solving the question of whether P = NP will solving the question of whether P = NP not that there is a God or Gods or 100’ pink invisible bunnies.

But I will say walking in to a 10’ invisible sphere like object with the smell of bunny crap will go a long way in proving the existence of 100’ pink invisible bunnies.

[H'ethetheth]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
...But I will say walking in to a 10’ invisible sphere like object with the smell of bunny crap will go a long way in proving the existence of 100’ pink invisible bunnies.
Did you realise that at that size, the first thing to hit that ball of crap would quite possibly be your nose?

Yummy!

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by H'ethetheth
Did you realise that at that size, the first thing to hit that ball of crap would quite possibly be your nose.

Yummy!

You are right.... wow, hey wait you saying I have a big nose?????

[Marquis de Carabas]

This is the science you have to support you? That there exist in the world unsolved, perhaps unsolvable, math problems? Please tell me you've got something a little more substantial. I don't care how fancy your God's gaps are, I'm not impressed by the flash.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Hello again Goddoesnotplaydice

You can not prove the existence of god or Santa or 100’ bunnies by using a formula where god or Santa or 100’ bunnies are presented as already a known fact i.e.

If God is indeed Omnipotent, then GDNPD can argue that God is everything is an already known fact... Omnipotence being the power to do everything automatically infers the power to be everything as part of it's very definition. The problem is not the conclusion he draws from Omnipotence, but that he assumes God must be Omnipotent before this conclusion... which independant of the particular known God he's talking about (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc), isn't in fact the case; all known major Gods have some form of personality, and self imposed limitations on what they believe is Good/Godly. He's not going to be able to point to any religious tradition to justify this, because none of them hold true Omnipotence as the nature of God: It's a personal assumption that God is everything. And it's this he has to prove first, before we can accept the logical consequences which flows from this... He needs to define what God is first.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Hello Pahansiri,

Good mornig all. So many questions. This is good. Thank you all!
I have much to learn.
I will go through them one by one. I am sure I will have errors here and there and everywhere. So l will get started on the answers one by one. That is the only way I will learn. This will be fun. I will try my best to keep the "ego" in check and keep the eyes on our prize! I hope as we learn new things that we find the siplicity and complexity as well as the beauty and the beast in it all.

I have a meeting to attend and I will be back later to continue.
I can already see I want to bridle my ego and change many statements into questions.

Maybe we should try and find God's poop? is it here on our earth?

[Pahansiri]

Hello P.S.A.
If God is indeed Omnipotent, then GDNPD can argue that God is everything is an already known fact...

If he can prove that God is Omnipotent that there is no need to prove God for it can be proven that he is Omnipotent then “he�/ God would have needed to be already proven.


I can say that the 100’ Bunny is Omnipotent, would that mean then that the 100’ bunnies are in fact, a given and accepted fact?

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Hello Pahansiri,

Good mornig all. So many questions. This is good. Thank you all!
I have much to learn.
I will go through them one by one. I am sure I will have errors here and there and everywhere. So l will get started on the answers one by one. That is the only way I will learn. This will be fun. I will try my best to keep the "ego" in check and keep the eyes on our prize! I hope as we learn new things that we find the siplicity and complexity as well as the beauty and the beast in it all.

I have a meeting to attend and I will be back later to continue.
I can already see I want to bridle my ego and change many statements into questions.

Maybe we should try and find God's poop? is it here on our earth?

Greetings Goddoesnotplaydice

Good mornig to you.

I will go through them one by one. I am sure I will have errors here and there and everywhere. So l will get started on the answers one by one. That is the only way I will learn.

We are all here to exchange ideas and thoughts.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

P.S.A.,

Hello! I really like your assertion and question. Actually very much! VERY INTERESTING. I will ponder this for some time.

GDNPD

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
P.S.A.,

Hello! I really like your assertion and question. Actually very much! VERY INTERESTING. I will ponder this for some time.

GDNPD
You will ponder your definition of God? You mean you don't already know what it is you're trying to set out to prove? That's extremely bloody helpful.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Dr Adequate

Hello,

Proving that one conjecture alone would not prove that he exists, they would all have to be proven.

GDNPD

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Marquis de Carabas,

hello,

I think you just made an assumption, but we all make assumptions at one time or another.

We typically start with assumptions and if they do not turn out the way we want we try others until we get it right!

Then we are not "hopefully" making assumptions anymore.
This one can get al little "deep" i think!

This gets into symbology at some point, I am sure symbology will soon come into our discussions!

GDNPD

[Marquis de Carabas]

I made the assumption that when someone says they have science to back up their claims, they'll come correct with the science. I see I am wrong. I will trouble you no further.

[H'ethetheth]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
You are right.... wow, hey wait you saying I have a big nose????? Yes, your writing is typical of people with a big nose that is exactly five feet above the ground.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by H'ethetheth
Yes, your writing is typical of people with a big nose that is exactly five feet above the ground.

well MR know it all I am 5'8" so my nose is exactly 4'11" off the ground. :p

[H'ethetheth]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
well MR know it all I am 5'8" so my nose is exactly 4'11" off the ground. :p Give or take an inch. They're obsolete anyway. :D

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Marquis de Carabas,

So are you implying that there is no or little science that explains God? Or that God does not Know science? Or are you saying I have not or can not prove to your satisfaction that God exists?

So would you also say you believe the big bang theory? or not?

I simply stated that God Can be explained by science and that he "is" in or part of science in reality. I never said he is not more then just "science". I also have more math I think will help explain this, but assumptions must first be set aside or we may not see this. This requires RELATION. Symbolic forms and how they effect us will need to be understood here. When I say "WE" I mean both you and me. As I can not get there with out You understanding first. I have lost somthing very important If we do not understand each other. If you are at loss so am i!

We are more connected then we think we are. I also believe this!

GDNPD

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Why must God first be defined? Again, If he really "IS" then is that not enough?

So How do we describe ourselves as humans? COMPLETELY? Relally? is it possible? we are so complex are we not? WE are made in his IMAGE>So in all fairness Can you describe yourself to me? Maybe physically barely....but How complete will it be? How do you describe yourself spiritually? WE are all definitely individuals for sure! And we are complex as well. This is SELF EVIDENT!

Do you see my point? You either believe he exists or you do not.
There Can be no contradiction here. The contradiction really lies IN HOW WE ALL PERCIEVE HIM DIFERENTLY, the contradiction is not in God! It is in US!

Can we all agree on this one concept? We need to move on to deeper issues. Time is short!


GDNPD

[Z]

God cannot be adequately defined. God's existence can neither be satisfactorily proven nor disproven. Evidence of God is all but non-existant. Hence, all we have, when discussing God, is our intellect. Do we apply to God reasoning and logic, or is God a creature purely of intuition and imagination?

But, no, absolutely not, if god "IS" that is not enough.

So, no, we cannot agree on even this one concept. The evidence of God is lacking. Those who don't mind having faith in the unproven/unknown are free to believe in God, Shiva, Zeus, pink bunnies and dragons all without consequence. Believing in one makes all equally valid. For example, I believe in God, faeries, dragons, dream-spirits, and divine aspects of beings (lesser Gods and Goddesses). This doesn't make any of them real; all are equally valid.

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Proving that one conjecture alone would not prove that he exists, they would all have to be proven. Okay, how would that prove that God exists?

Join the dots, please... we have a bunch of maths stuff over here, and the existence of God over here...?

* looks puzzled *

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Marquis de Carabas,

So are you implying that there is no or little science that explains God? Or that God does not Know science? Or are you saying I have not or can not prove to your satisfaction that God exists?
I am implying nothing. You said...

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
If you wish I can include more scripture and science to further support these above statements. [emphasis mine--MdC]

...and I asked to see it. Since that time you've produced nothing scientific that supports anything youve said. So, if you have it, produce it. If you don't, quit trolling.

[Pahansiri]

Hello GDNPD
So are you implying that there is no or little science that explains God? Or that God does not Know science? Or are you saying I have not or can not prove to your satisfaction that God exists?

What would be the best situation would be to provide this science you say you have or exist to prove God. You have offered that you have it and it does exist so to prove your case just provide it.


I simply stated that God Can be explained by science and that he "is" in or part of science in reality. I never said he is not more then just "science".


then simply prove this science.

I also have more math I think will help explain this, but assumptions must first be set aside or we may not see this.


So if you believe God exist you will see how this math proves it if you do not then you will not see how it prove it?


That is not how science works.

Why must God first be defined? Again, If he really "IS" then is that not enough?

You first need prove one exist, then it is yours and not one of the many many beliefs.

To simply start a journey of discovery with a set in stone preconceived agenda, a start with the belief there can not be a God or that there can not, not be a God is not a journey of discovery.


So How do we describe ourselves as humans? COMPLETELY? Relally? is it possible? we are so complex are we not?

Yes but we can look at what is known, the body the human condition and point to facts, logic examine what can be known there is no blind faith involved. We are a physical reality.


WE are made in his IMAGE

Illogical.

You point at what is known and demand it is in the image of what is not known.

“ To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to
explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy.� David Brooks



So in all fairness Can you describe yourself to me?

Maybe physically barely....but

Not barley at all, every inch of the body can be examined and explained as to form and function, is all yet understood, no but more is being learned every day as we have a fact before us, a physical reality.



How do you describe yourself spiritually?

Define spiritually

WE are all definitely individuals for sure! And we are complex as well. This is SELF EVIDENT!


Personalities, etc can greatly be traced to the causes and condition in the life, parents, family, schooling, events, gain and loss etc.

God, no such facts can be traced no just as with Santa or the 100’ bunny.

You either believe he exists or you do not.


Is that your proof?

Others should believe because you do?


There Can be no contradiction here.

So either the 100’ invisible pink bunny exist or does not so this means he does and we just all “PERCIEVE HIM DIFERENTLY�?? that is illogical.



The contradiction really lies IN HOW WE ALL PERCIEVE HIM DIFERENTLY, the contradiction is not in God! It is in US!

You need first prove God, you can not simply say you believe in him so it is a fact and all we need do now is fix how we perceive him.

Prove him and we can move on to how to perceive “him�.

Can we all agree on this one concept? We need to move on to deeper issues. Time is short!

So you wish people who do not believe in God to simply say “ OK you said it is true and that is good enough don’t worry about proving it�?

Time is never short, if your goal was to prove God you need first prove God, saying he exist is not good enough for a God or a 100’ pink invisible bunny.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Why must God first be defined? Again, If he really "IS" then is that not enough?
God must first be defined so we can determine whether he really "IS." Defined does not mean, of course, completely known to us in detail. Just a simple sketch will do at first. If God has no defining characteristics, there is nothing on which to base our conclusion as to its existence.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
If you don't, quit trolling.

GDNPD reminds me of Kumar. Same style.

[athon]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
God must first be defined so we can determine whether he really "IS." Defined does not mean, of course, completely known to us in detail. Just a simple sketch will do at first. If God has no defining characteristics, there is nothing on which to base our conclusion as to its existence.

Aw, that takes the fun out of it. ;)

Defining is different to detailing, GDNPD. Defining parameters give us common ground to address. 'God' is a very ambiguous term, open to all sorts of assumptions; Zeus was a chief god, but did not create the universe. Allah did, but he did not send Jesus as salvation, just as a prophet. Hence 'God' is not good enough a definition itself. The Xian God has many different personalities according to who interprets Him in the Bible. This is where contradictions arise.

If you feel that science can provide evidence of His existence, you need to define exactly what picture we are looking at without shifting the goal posts.

Athon

[username]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
That's not funny.

God exists and it's a shame you put faith in logic and reason which is nothing but an illusion created by your flawed human mind which is infested by original sin and Satan. This world is sinful and you must find Christ to escape the vicious circle.

I like sin, I dislike god, I want to go to hell. next.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
GDNPD reminds me of Kumar. Same style.
I've actually suspected sockery for some time now; I've been trying to grant the benefit of the doubt, but it gets harder with every post.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

All,

I agree with many of you, I will move forward and accept and know God and Jesus as best I can and incorporate them into my life. Maybe I will define My God for you some other time! But I think you know by how I relate to everyone what this might be! Thank you all! You have all been very helpful! This relationship has helped me grow in mind and spirit.

What I mean by All the math conjectures being solved is it will provide the potential for completion of the Grand Unified Field Theory and this will hopefully either prove God and Sweet Jesus exist or not! (IMHO they BOTH are REAL and VERY ALIVE, JUST LOOK AROUND)! After all this passes, maybe they can "come back"? Only God knows!

I must go now. It has been my pleasure! I may come back some day! I have so much more to work on about myself. Maybe there is no proof in science and math alone? Maybe it is just relational? I do not yet know for sure. I just have my ideas! :) let us all go in Love and Peace!

I think I will provide Just "ME" in the future! This is the best proof I can provide!

GDNPD

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
All,

I agree with many of you, I will move forward and accept and know God and Jesus as best I can and incorporate them into my life. Maybe I will define My God for you some other time! But I think you know by how I relate to everyone what this might be! Thank you all! You have all been very helpful! This relationship has helped me grow in mind and spirit.

What I mean by All the math conjectures being solved is it will provide the potential for completion of the Grand Unified Field Theory and this will hopefully either prove God and Sweet Jesus exist or not! (IMHO they BOTH are REAL and VERY ALIVE, JUST LOOK AROUND)! After all this passes, maybe they can "come back"? Only God knows!

I must go now. It has been my pleasure! I may come back some day! I have so much more to work on about myself. Maybe there is no proof in science and math alone? Maybe it is just relational? I do not yet know for sure. I just have my ideas! :) let us all go in Love and Peace!

I think I will provide Just "ME" in the future! This is the best proof I can provide!

GDNPD

I respect that. May you and all you love and alll beings be well and happy. It was very nice to meet you.

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Maybe we should try and find God's poop? is it here on our earth?

Terra Haute, IN. At least, that's what it smelled like.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Piscivore
Terra Haute, IN. At least, that's what it smelled like.

wait wait wait... Could a Gods/perfect beings crap smell?

I mean I know a few people who tell me they are perfect and they all say their SH** don't stink

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

Hello,

I hope you and your loved ones are doing well.

You may be right! I think if someone is in perfect balance and eating perfectly properly and is in spiritual balance I bet there's wont stink much at all.

But those with spiritual pride? I think even though they say they don't stink-- they do!

hehe!

GDNPD

p.s. I was away helping a friend today but I am back now!
I hope everyone is doing well! AND NO THIS IS NOT KUMAR!
MY GOODNESS NOT THAT AGAIN! by the way where is "everyone"?

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

I'd just like to add something to the discussion about "Can God make a rock He can't lift"

Let's be reasonable here, guys - God's at least 6,000 years old.

An old guy can have good and bad days, so maybe on a good day he can lift the rock, but on a bad day... ;)

YBW

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

I'd just like to add something to the discussion about "Can God make a rock He can't lift"

Let's be reasonable here, guys - God's at least 6,000 years old.

An old guy can have good and bad days, so maybe on a good day he can lift the rock, but on a bad day...

YBW

So what are you implying God can not do? ... is what?

GDNPD

[H'ethetheth]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
...by the way where is "everyone"? I think "everyone" is still anxiously waiting for you to start producing your arguments.

Please do.

Edited to remove superfluous "your".

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Arguments?

There really are none! What arguments? It will all be known in due time. Everyone will get to choose sides. Don't you agree?

remember:

GDNPD
unless it will help you find him :)

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Goddoesnotplaydice
Arguments?

There really are none! What arguments? It will all be known in due time. Everyone will get to choose sides. Don't you agree?

remember:

GDNPD
unless it will help you find him :)

There really are none! What arguments? It will all be known in due time. Everyone will get to choose sides. Don't you agree?

No. If you are right as to your Christian belief then yes, if the materialist Atheist is right then no, no one will� know in time� and if I as a Buddhism am right then no one will care when they find out.



remember:

GDNPD
unless it will help you find him :)

“him� what is it that makes this being a “he�. Is it male genitals, a higher testosterone to estrogen ratio?

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

Hope you and yours are doing well.

No. If you are right as to your Christian belief then yes, if the materialist Atheist is right then no, no one will� know in time� and if I as a Buddhism am right then no one will care when they find out.

No. (<You are correct there are arguments between us humans, I was in error in my assumption of your/my perception) If you are right as to your Christian belief then yes (<I believe this, Yes), if the materialist Atheist is right then no, no one will� know in time� (< No I do not believe this, I beleive if they change their minds and seek truth they will find truth, very hard for many to let go of $$ though)and if I as a Buddhism am right then no one will care when they find out.(I beleive the Buddhists, as of now, they do not care but they may later as things change, i am not sure). great suffering by MANY OF US TOGETHER may change the Buddhist. The suffering could be a good thing!

GDNPD
p.s. I don't think I see any right or wrong in any of this corrected in the above paragraph. God is what God is. We will someday all know I hope!

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

Hope you and yours are doing well.

I made a misake above I will repost now.

No. If you are right as to your Christian belief then yes, if the materialist Atheist is right then no, no one will� know in time� and if I as a Buddhism am right then no one will care when they find out.

No. (<You are correct here, there ARE arguments between us humans, I was in error in my assumption of your/my perception) If you are right as to your Christian belief then yes (<I believe this, Yes), if the materialist Atheist is right then no, no one will� know in time� (< No I do not believe this, I beleive if they change their minds and seek truth they will find truth, very hard for many to let go of $$ though)and if I as a Buddhism am right then no one will care when they find out.(I beleive the Buddhists, as of now, they do not care but they may later as things change, i am not sure). great suffering by MANY OF US TOGETHER may change the Buddhist. The suffering could be a good thing If in the end we find the truth.

I don't think I see any right or wrong in any of this corrected in the above paragraph. God is what God is. We will someday all know I hope!


GDNPD


“him� what is it that makes this being a “he�. Is it male genitals, a higher testosterone to estrogen ratio?

This is one thought, but I was thinking it is symbolic not literal. That God is neither sex but "like a Father" in the sence that "God is the provider" and "God is the Authority". LIke a Male is many times in a Family.

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

My computer or this site is haveing trouble, I hope you got my message and understood it.

GDNPD

[Goddoesnotplaydice]

Pahansiri,

yes I do believe Jesus Christ is The son of My God. (my computer or I am having trouble here).

thank you,

GDNPD