Emotion atheists and logical atheists.

[1inChrist]

It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. He makes God seem illogical so you won't believe in Him. This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe. Because what we call becoming ''smarter'' and ''mature'' is nothing but an illusion from Satan designed to stop us from believing in God.

Then there is the other kind of atheist. The emotional atheist who is bitter at God. Someone close to him may have died or his life is bad and he blames God. This kind of atheist I don't think is really an atheist but someone who is rebelling against God. The majority of the atheists here seem to be this kind of atheist. So to those of you who are emotional atheists, I have a message for you:

You may feel depressed, lonely and sad. Maybe you don't feel important because you don't make enough money, have a new sports car or a penthouse in Los Angeles. Maybe you are depressed from seeing models on television and don't think you're attractive enough so you feel inferior. Maybe someone close to you died and you're mad at God for taking them. All these things that you feel are a part of a false reality that Satan has put over on this world. But there is no reason why you have to live in Satan's false world, God can easily take you out of it. Life is not long at all and in the big picture of eternity, this is nothing.

You may ask why God let things happen. Why He created Satan, why He lets Satan do these things. I don't have an answer, but I have faith in God. I have faith that He has His reasons for things and I have faith that He knows what's best. He has offered us eternal life through the sacrifice of His son, Jesus Christ. He offers us a path of love. Once you know that all those negative feelings come from Satan's presence and realize all the positive feelings come from God's presence, you can drop the negativity because you'll realize it's OK to let go of the hate and choose a path of love.

If you want to know what Heaven is like just imagine the happiness and innocence of being a child. Think of the powerful and magical imagination you had. That's kind of like Heaven, except Heaven would be a lot better.

If you are bitter or angry at God just talk to Him. He listens. He's omnipresent and will always hear what you say or think. In today's society it's hard to be happy and it's hard to feel self confident and most of all it's hard to LOVE yourself and realize YOU are special. You were created in the image of our wonderful Father in Heaven. Don't let greed and lust take control of your life. Just breathe, relax and have a nice relationship with God through your life. If you do this, I promise your eternity will be the most wonderful thing you will ever experience.

[Kopji]

An atheist who is bitter at God is called a believer.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Kopji
An atheist who is bitter at God is called a believer.

Then you have a lot of believers here because the majority of atheists here are very bitter at God.

[Kopji]

Then you have a lot of believers here because the majority of atheists here are very bitter at God.

Yes, we have sort of a 'no true Scottsman' problem with people claiming they are atheists but are really believers. We do try to weed them out and send them back to church whey they belong.

I've known some backsliding atheists who went to hell but were shipped back here for selling Bibles at inflated prices to sinners. Quite a problem.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. He makes God seem illogical so you won't believe in Him. This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe. Because what we call becoming ''smarter'' and ''mature'' is nothing but an illusion from Satan designed to stop us from believing in God.

Then there is the other kind of atheist. The emotional atheist who is bitter at God. Someone close to him may have died or his life is bad and he blames God. This kind of atheist I don't think is really an atheist but someone who is rebelling against God. The majority of the atheists here seem to be this kind of atheist. So to those of you who are emotional atheists, I have a message for you:

You may feel depressed, lonely and sad. Maybe you don't feel important because you don't make enough money, have a new sports car or a penthouse in Los Angeles. Maybe you are depressed from seeing models on television and don't think you're attractive enough so you feel inferior. Maybe someone close to you died and you're mad at God for taking them. All these things that you feel are a part of a false reality that Satan has put over on this world. But there is no reason why you have to live in Satan's false world, God can easily take you out of it. Life is not long at all and in the big picture of eternity, this is nothing.

You may ask why God let things happen. Why He created Satan, why He lets Satan do these things. I don't have an answer, but I have faith in God. I have faith that He has His reasons for things and I have faith that He knows what's best. He has offered us eternal life through the sacrifice of His son, Jesus Christ. He offers us a path of love. Once you know that all those negative feelings come from Satan's presence and realize all the positive feelings come from God's presence, you can drop the negativity because you'll realize it's OK to let go of the hate and choose a path of love.

If you want to know what Heaven is like just imagine the happiness and innocence of being a child. Think of the powerful and magical imagination you had. That's kind of like Heaven, except Heaven would be a lot better.

If you are bitter or angry at God just talk to Him. He listens. He's omnipresent and will always hear what you say or think. In today's society it's hard to be happy and it's hard to feel self confident and most of all it's hard to LOVE yourself and realize YOU are special. You were created in the image of our wonderful Father in Heaven. Don't let greed and lust take control of your life. Just breathe, relax and have a nice relationship with God through your life. If you do this, I promise your eternity will be the most wonderful thing you will ever experience.
The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green he leadeth me the silent waters by.
With bright knives he releaseth my soul.
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
For lo, he hath great power, and great hunger.
When cometh the day we lowly ones,
Through quiet reflection, and great dedication
Master the art of karate,
Lo, we shall rise up,
And then we’ll make the bugger’s eyes water.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Then you have a lot of believers here because the majority of atheists here are very bitter at God.

You can read minds now? Because that's the only way one could be so certain of what you say.

[Kopji]

Humm, so maybe Pink Floyd has some answers for us.

It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical.

So God can't be known by reason, but yet what technique is being used to convince us? Seems like an appeal to reason to me. Reason is like that, it seems to have a self evident virtue.

I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. He makes God seem illogical so you won't believe in Him.
God actually seems logical to me, at least the idea we call God. There is a point we reach a limit in understanding, and so fill it in with something to help things make sense.


This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe. Because what we call becoming ''smarter'' and ''mature'' is nothing but an illusion from Satan designed to stop us from believing in God.

But what about those other scriptures that say we used to think and act as a child but now need to move on? What about others that speak of moving from milk to solid food? Are you claiming that Satan has a hand in writing the Bible because it seem illogical? This seems like an obvious conclusion.


Then there is the other kind of atheist. The emotional atheist who is bitter at God.

Again, your complaint seems focused on some kind of believer, not an atheist. A-theist means without a god. I hate to play with semantics but this seem like stretching the meaning of words so they encompass an unrelated group you happen to dislike.

Someone close to him may have died or his life is bad and he blames God. This kind of atheist I don't think is really an atheist but someone who is rebelling against God.

So maybe being an atheist is not a black and white thing, but more along a gradual path. What if the blaming God gradually turns into a more detached and logic based atheism. Would that be more acceptable?

The majority of the atheists here seem to be this kind of atheist.

It's hard to give up on God. But this seems the way religions want it. Why blame atheists for it?
...You may feel depressed, lonely and sad.
Sure sometimes, but it is easier to bear without the additional helping of guilt that religion heaps on. How much better to believe that we are a natural part of the world around us, and our intelligence makes us stewards rather than dominators of the earth.

Maybe you don't feel important because you don't make enough money, have a new sports car or a penthouse in Los Angeles. Maybe you are depressed from seeing models on television and don't think you're attractive enough so you feel inferior.

Don't forget egotistical needs. I watch televangelists on tv who claim to talk to God or know God's will. What greater arrogance is there? Would believing in God suddenly make someone immune to those temptations, it seems not.


Maybe someone close to you died and you're mad at God for taking them.

Imagine the peace that comes from not needing to rationalize a God who requires abject worship while remaining completely uninvolved in humanity.


All these things that you feel are a part of a false reality that Satan has put over on this world. But there is no reason why you have to live in Satan's false world, God can easily take you out of it. Life is not long at all and in the big picture of eternity, this is nothing.

And yet, the decisions we make about God in this infinitesimal and flawed existence are destined to follow us for eternity. It takes great intelligence to construct belief around eternal punishment for a finite life. Yet, where is the justice?

You may ask why God let things happen. Why He created Satan, why He lets Satan do these things. I don't have an answer, but I have faith in God. I have faith that He has His reasons for things and I have faith that He knows what's best. He has offered us eternal life through the sacrifice of His son, Jesus Christ. He offers us a path of love. Once you know that all those negative feelings come from Satan's presence and realize all the positive feelings come from God's presence, you can drop the negativity because you'll realize it's OK to let go of the hate and choose a path of love.
It's OK to let go of the hate and choose a path of love without a belief in God.

If you want to know what Heaven is like just imagine the happiness and innocence of being a child. Think of the powerful and magical imagination you had. That's kind of like Heaven, except Heaven would be a lot better.

The heaven of a masochist is full of whips and handcuffs? Creating our own heaven seems like very a subjective answer.


If you are bitter or angry at God just talk to Him. He listens. He's omnipresent and will always hear what you say or think. In today's society it's hard to be happy and it's hard to feel self confident and most of all it's hard to LOVE yourself and realize YOU are special. You were created in the image of our wonderful Father in Heaven. Don't let greed and lust take control of your life. Just breathe, relax and have a nice relationship with God through your life. If you do this, I promise your eternity will be the most wonderful thing you will ever experience.

You need to start by showing that God is needed to love and feel special and not have greed and lust rule our lives. Additionally, being 'childlike' is not an idea that originated with Christianity, but preceded it by several centuries. In fact, Christian scripture arguable states that people must move from the childlike state. I can quote c&v if you like.

[1inChrist]

Creating our own heaven seems like very a subjective answer.

I never said you created your own Heaven. Heaven is already created. I said Heaven is like that because of the happiness and love.

[Kopji]

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. - 1 Cor 13:11 (Bible)

Compare to the 'Tao Te Ching' passage written hundreds of years earlier (a time known as the 'Axial Age'):


Embracing the Way, you become embraced;
Breathing gently, you become newborn;
Clearing your mind, you become clear;
Nurturing your children, you become impartial;
Opening your heart, you become accepted;
Accepting the world, you embrace the Way.

Humm. much better case for being 'childlike' there. Did you have some other passages in mind? Maybe Mark?

"And they brought young children to Him, that He should touch them: and His disciples rebuked those that brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God"
(Mark 10:13-14).

But what I find on Christian sermon sites is that this just means you should start indoctrinating children very young.

[Kopji]

If you want to know what Heaven is like just imagine the happiness and innocence of being a child. Think of the powerful and magical imagination you had. That's kind of like Heaven, except Heaven would be a lot better.

What's not subject to what each person desires? This is similar to asking people to think of God as a 'heavenly father'. What if the person had an abusive father? Same problem.

[Throg]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan.

Having missed these earlier threads, I wonder how you showed this without employing logic. You certainly employ logic in this particular post. "This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe" represents a conclusion logically related to a premise (which may or may not have been logically derived). Incidentally, I was a tremendously logical child.

Then there is the other kind of atheist. The emotional atheist who is bitter at God

One can ony be bitter at God if one believes in God, in which case one is not an atheist. By your definition of atheist, Satan is an atheist.

[Zep]

Yes, I am a logical atheist, 1inChrist. But I don't hate God either. How can you hate God if you don't believe in him and he continually fails to provide proof of his existence?

http://www.icpnet.pl/~midgard/SATAN.jpg

[Whyatica]

Oh, come on 1inC, you need to finish the last thread you started before starting a new one!

[Z]

So 1inChrist is saying the means to believe in God is to be immature, naive, and ignorant?

Need I say more?

[Whyatica]

http://www.synergizedsolutions.com/simpsons/pictures/others/flanders_devil.gif

[DangerousBeliefs]

What I like is how he says...

"Using logic, you should believe me that you cannot use logic to prove God"

Do as I say not as I do... eh, 1Rfruitloop?

[Scot C. Trypal]

Obviously, 1inChrist won this debate.

Good job 1inChrist!

[Whyatica]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
Obviously, 1inChrist won this debate.

Good job 1inChrist!


Debate? Where?

[Terry]

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie


Wow! You definitely win this debate! Argument by Pink Floyd

--Terry.

[Terry]

Originally posted by Whyatica


It's always the one you least suspect!

--Terry.

[billydkid]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan.


You have shown nothing. Of course, logic and reason are, more or less, synonymous with intelligence. It follows that not being willfully stupid is being a tool of satan. I have asked you this before and you have chosen to ignor it. Take your God/Jesus belief system. It is identical to every other unsupportable belief system in that it requires that one belief without reason (as you yourself have said.) In as much as there is no more reason to have faith in one unsupportable belief system over any other that makes the choice to believe in Christianity or any other religion completely arbitrary. I don't know how any person can defend arbitrarily choosing to believe something that is demonstratably unsupportable, let alone how that person can have the gall to insist to other people that this unsupported belief is the actual truth.

Christians continually refer to Christ as though he exists. The only place he exists is in your imagination - show me otherwise. You insist on telling us that something is true for which there is absolutely no supporting evidence. Do you seriously think this is going to convince anybody of anything? Do you really think anyone should take your word for there being a God and that you know who that God is? And where did you hear about this God and this saviour? You heard about it from your parents or your pastor who all got it ultimately from some old compiled text written, edited, translated, adulterated, censored all by men, all of whom with their own particular axes to grind.

It's the word of God - because somebody told you it was. Jesus loves you - because the books containing the only source of Jesus stories tells you he does. You want to think you have found salvation, fine. You want to believe a bunch of old hebrew folk tales and a bunch of cosmic super hero stories, fine. But don't come in here telling everybody that you know what the truth is and we are all lost souls and tools of the devil.

[Scot C. Trypal]

Originally posted by Whyatica
Debate? Where?

Shhhh. 1inChrist won the debate. 1inChrist wins every debate.

Now, let him rest on his laurels.

(Terry: argument by Pink Floyd is a very common pseudo-skeptic fallacy. You did not win.)

[Sloe_Bohemian]

I think I found 1-Inch-Rist's homepage: You will all burn for mocking me!!!!!! (http://www.thefunny.org/easter.php)

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 25.4mmChrist
It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. Satan the father of all lies uses reason and logic. The "God of truth� (Psalm 31:1) is illogical.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
(Terry: argument by Pink Floyd is a very common pseudo-skeptic fallacy. You did not win.) Yeah but it's good fallacy.

[DarkMagician]

Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
Obviously, 1inChrist won this debate.

Good job 1inChrist! Actually, to win a debate, 1inChrist must have an argument. He sadly has nothing more than assertions.

[DarkMagician]

Bacon and Cheddar Quiche
1 1/3 cups all-purpose flour
1/8 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup cold butter, cut in small pieces
2 to 3 tablespoons ice-cold water
Filling
8 strips lean bacon, cooked and crumbled
4 large eggs
1 1/2 cups light cream
1/4 teaspoon dried leaf thyme
1/8 teaspoon pepper
1 cup shredded sharp Cheddar cheese
Prepare crust for quiche. In a mixing bowl, mix together flour and salt. Cut in cold butter with a pastry blender until coarse crumbs form; add water, a little at a time, until dough holds together and forms a ball. Shape into a disk, wrap in plastic wrap, and refrigerate for about 30 minutes.
On a lightly floured surface with a floured rolling pin, roll out dough into a circle about 11 inches in diameter. Fit dough into a 9-inch pie plate or quiche pan. Trim edges, leaving a little overhang, about 1/4-inch all around the edge. Prick dough with a fork. Line with foil and fill with dried beans or pie weights. Bake quiche crust for 10 minutes at 375°.

In a small bowl, whisk together the eggs, cream, thyme, and pepper. Pour into the baked crust. Crumble bacon over the top with the shredded Cheddar cheese. Bake at 375° for about 30 minutes, or until quiche filling is set and lightly browned. Serve quiche with fresh tomato wedges.

Quiche serves 8.

[Hawk one]

I once again refer to my signature to show how confused 1inch is.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by DarkMagician
Bacon and Cheddar Quiche
1 1/3 cups all-purpose flour
1/8 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup cold butter, cut in small pieces
2 to 3 tablespoons ice-cold water
Filling
8 strips lean bacon, cooked and crumbled
4 large eggs
1 1/2 cups light cream
1/4 teaspoon dried leaf thyme
1/8 teaspoon pepper
1 cup shredded sharp Cheddar cheese
Prepare crust for quiche. In a mixing bowl, mix together flour and salt. Cut in cold butter with a pastry blender until coarse crumbs form; add water, a little at a time, until dough holds together and forms a ball. Shape into a disk, wrap in plastic wrap, and refrigerate for about 30 minutes.
On a lightly floured surface with a floured rolling pin, roll out dough into a circle about 11 inches in diameter. Fit dough into a 9-inch pie plate or quiche pan. Trim edges, leaving a little overhang, about 1/4-inch all around the edge. Prick dough with a fork. Line with foil and fill with dried beans or pie weights. Bake quiche crust for 10 minutes at 375°.

In a small bowl, whisk together the eggs, cream, thyme, and pepper. Pour into the baked crust. Crumble bacon over the top with the shredded Cheddar cheese. Bake at 375° for about 30 minutes, or until quiche filling is set and lightly browned. Serve quiche with fresh tomato wedges.

Quiche serves 8. We (my family and I) are now having quiche for dinner. Cool and thank you.

BTW, I am a real man (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671448315/qid=1112474165/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-6841591-3525413?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

[jj]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan.

Emphasis mine.

You're starting to remind me of Shanek.

You haven't shown that Satan exists, that you know what logic or reason or, but you want to base your propanganda on it.

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by jj
Emphasis mine.

You're starting to remind me of Shanek.

You haven't shown that Satan exists, that you know what logic or reason or, but you want to base your propanganda on it.

You're starting to remind me of you.

You still haven't shown that all religious people don't use logic, as you claimed, but you want to base your propaganda on it.

George Boole? Nope, no logic. Newton? Nope. Pascal? Phooey. Euler? No way! Farraday? No sirree. Many scientists and mathematicians who happen to be religious? Nope, cuz you desperately wish it to be so..

[NickW]

Originally posted by Sloe_Bohemian
I think I found 1-Inch-Rist's homepage: You will all burn for mocking me!!!!!! (http://www.thefunny.org/easter.php)

I'm still laughing... where do you find these links? :p

[1inChrist]

You can't question God's actions. Everything that God does He does for a reason and He is all GOOD! You must accept the rules He has laid upon mankind.

You will get your proof of His existence one day. To say God never proves Himself is WRONG! We will all have proof of His existence one day, but you MUST prepare NOW for meeting Him! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior BEFORE you meet Him or you will NOT get into Heaven! Jesus is like soul insurance.

[Z]

Typical scammer - trying to sell insurance for something we're not even sure we have.

Anyway, I might spend eternity in Hell, I might not. Don't care, one way or the other. If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, then my actions that earn me Hell are His will and a Good Thing. This is the inevitable consequence of your God's attributes - no matter what we choose to do or choose not to do, it's all God's will and therefore Good.

[Lisa Simpson]

Lemon Pound Cake
You can use a blender instead of a food processor to mix the batter. To add the butter, remove the center cap of the lid so it can be drizzled into the whirling blender with minimal splattering. This batter looks almost like a thick pancake batter and is very fluid.

makes one 9 by 5-inch cake, serving 8
16 tablespoons unsalted butter (2 sticks), plus 1 tablespoon, softened, for greasing pan
1 1/2 cups cake flour (6 ounces), plus 1 tablespoon for dusting pan
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon table salt
1 1/4 cups granulated sugar (8 3/4 ounces)
2 tablespoons grated lemon zest plus 2 teaspoons juice from 2 medium lemons
4 large eggs
1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract

Lemon Glaze
1/2 cup granulated sugar (3 1/2 ounces)
1/4 cup lemon juice , from 1 or 2 medium lemons


1. Adjust oven rack to middle position and heat oven to 350 degrees. Grease 9 by 5-inch loaf pan with 1 tablespoon softened butter; dust with 1 tablespoon cake flour, tapping out excess. In medium bowl, whisk together flour, baking powder, and salt; set aside.

2. In glass measuring cup or microwave-safe bowl, microwave butter, covered with plastic wrap, at full power until melted, 1 to 2 minutes. (Alternatively, melt butter in small saucepan over medium heat.) Whisk melted butter thoroughly to reincorporate any separated milk solids.

3. In food processor, process sugar and zest until combined, about five 1-second pulses. Add lemon juice, eggs, and vanilla; process until combined, about 5 seconds. With machine running, add melted butter through feed tube in steady stream (this should take about 20 seconds). Transfer mixture to large bowl. Sift flour mixture over eggs in three steps, whisking gently after each addition until just combined.

4. Pour batter into prepared pan and bake 15 minutes. Reduce oven temperature to 325 degrees and continue to bake until deep golden brown and skewer inserted in center comes out clean, about 35 minutes, rotating pan halfway through baking time. Cool in pan for 10 minutes, then turn onto wire rack. If desired, poke the cake's top and sides with a toothpick and brush on Lemon Glaze. Cool to room temperature, at least 1 hour. (Cooled cake can be wrapped tightly in plastic wrap and stored at room temperature for up to 5 days.)

5. For Lemon Glaze:
While cake is cooling, bring sugar and lemon juice to boil in small nonreactive saucepan, stirring occasionally to dissolve sugar. Reduce heat to low and simmer until thickened slightly, about 2 minutes.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You can't question God's actions. Everything that God does He does for a reason and He is all GOOD! You must accept the rules He has laid upon mankind. It is statements like this that lead me to believe you are just joking. If there was a god I could and damn well would question him. There isn't a god so the statment is illogical. If there was a god it is demonstrable that it isn't all good. Everything came from him. All evil came from him. He was the one who drowned babies and infants in the flood. He was the one who time after time ordered the death of infants.

You will get your proof of His existence one day. To say God never prooves Himself is WRONG! We will all have proof of His existence one day, but you MUST prepare NOW for meeting Him! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior BEFORE you meet Him or you will NOT get into Heaven! Jesus is like soul insurance. [/B] If he had any balls he would prove himself now. He doesn't have any balls because he doesn't exist.

[Donks]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You can't question God's actions. Everything that God does He does for a reason and He is all GOOD!
You're right. I can't question god's actions. It's real hard to question the actions of an imaginary being. I cn, however, question the actions attributed to him. Like his tendency to murder people in the OT.
You must accept the rules He has laid upon mankind.
I "must" do no such thing.
You will get your proof of His existence one day. To say God never proves Himself is WRONG! We will all have proof of His existence one day, but you MUST prepare NOW for meeting Him! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior BEFORE you meet Him or you will NOT get into Heaven! Jesus is like soul insurance. [/B]
Do you have anything other than FEAR OF THE HELLFIRE to support your faith?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Typical scammer - trying to sell insurance for something we're not even sure we have.

Anyway, I might spend eternity in Hell, I might not. Don't care, one way or the other. If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, then my actions that earn me Hell are His will and a Good Thing. This is the inevitable consequence of your God's attributes - no matter what we choose to do or choose not to do, it's all God's will and therefore Good.

WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.

[crimresearch]

Not all the evil...but then again, I keep forgetting that you have no clue what is actually said in Scripture about free will.

[Z]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.

Yes - an OMNISCIENT God creats us with Free Will - and knows EXACTLY what the outcome of that will is. After all - free will (for our part) doesn't negate his Omniscience. Therefore, every action we take, He knew we would take the moment he offered 'Free Will'.

Either Free Will doesn't really exist, or God isn't really Omnipotent and Omniscient.

Oh, and the Bible says that God created it all, GOOD AND EVIL. So God wants evil. And God wants us to do whatever it comes to our minds to do.

That being said, believe or not, I'll do what I damn well please, and be happy knowing God wants me to do this. Thank you.

[Donks]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but god is omniscient. That means he knew what satan and humans would create beforehand. So by creating satan/humans, god created evil.

[SezMe]

Hmmm, this is a new 1inch we're seeing here. No hellfire, no outsized fonts, no ALL CAPS (well, not too many in comparison to previous posts, ignoring Zep's devils, etc. It's almost not the same 'ol loveable 1inch.

So, 1inch, what has changed? Why the new approach?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with. God was all knowing. God knew that if he created Satan with free will that babies and infants and innocent people WOULD DIE! He did it anyway. He IS evil.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Donks
Correct me if I'm wrong, but god is omniscient. That means he knew what satan and humans would create beforehand. So by creating satan/humans, god created evil. You beat me to it. DAMN YOU TO HELLFIRE!

[Donks]

Originally posted by RandFan
You beat me to it. DAMN YOU TO HELLFIRE!
Check the last post of page 1. Damn zaayrdragon beat us both. I'll be seeing him in HELL.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by RandFan
It is statements like this that lead me to believe you are just joking.

They've called me a joker, a troll, a sockpuppet and probably other things that I've forgetten but that's because there is something they fear. When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists.

If there was a god I could and damn well would question him. There isn't a god so the statment is illogical. If there was a god it is demonstrable that it isn't all good. Everything came from him. All evil came from him. He was the one who drowned babies and infants in the flood. He was the one who time after time ordered the death of infants.

Man and Satan started all the evil. There are consequences when you use your free will against God but you STILL are free to go against God, that was the gift He gave you.

There is a God. Have you read The Holy Bible? Have you ever prayed to Him? Have you ever asked The Holy Ghost to come into your heart?

If he had any balls he would prove himself now. He doesn't have any balls because he doesn't exist.

You are trying to get God to show Himself through YOUR ways but He shows Himself through HIS ways. You don't make the rules.

Now remember what I said earlier, you will get your PROOF of Him in the end. Jesus is like insurance. You are insuring your soul so you know you are going to get into Heaven. Jesus Christ died for you so that even though you DON'T deserve Heaven (all humans deserve to spend eternity in Hell), you still can have a chance to get there.

[Z]

Originally posted by Donks
Check the last post of page 1. Damn zaayrdragon beat us both. I'll be seeing him in HELL.

Of course - because

I AM THE DEVIL!

[Z]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
They've called me a joker, a troll, a sockpuppet and probably other things that I've forgetten but that's because there is something they fear. When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists.



Man and Satan started all the evil. There are consequences when you use your free will against God but you STILL are free to go against God, that was the gift He gave you.

There is a God. Have you read The Holy Bible? Have you ever prayed to Him? Have you ever asked The Holy Ghost to come into your heart?



You are trying to get God to show Himself through YOUR ways but He shows Himself through HIS ways. You don't make the rules.

Now remember what I said earlier, you will get your PROOF of Him in the end. Jesus is like insurance. You are insuring your soul so you know you are going to get into Heaven. Jesus Christ died for you so that even though you DON'T deserve Heaven (all humans deserve to spend eternity in [b]Hell), you still can have a chance to get there.

Yawn... All based on a badly edited partial selection of books written by men with agendas - and with almost no historical veracity at all.

There's more evidence for Robin Hood than for most of what the Bible has said.

Anyway, like I said, God wants us to live exactly how we live. So we can no more convert to your garage-variety theism than you can stop preaching about hellfire.

God wants me also to tell you that liars are bound for hell as well - and since you are still posting here after promising not to, well - I'll save you a bucket of embers to sit on when you get there.

[TragicMonkey]

This should explain things very clearly, 1inC.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Yes - an OMNISCIENT God creats us with Free Will - and knows EXACTLY what the outcome of that will is. After all - free will (for our part) doesn't negate his Omniscience. Therefore, every action we take, He knew we would take the moment he offered 'Free Will'.

Either Free Will doesn't really exist, or God isn't really Omnipotent and Omniscient.

Oh, and the Bible says that God created it all, GOOD AND EVIL. So God wants evil. And God wants us to do whatever it comes to our minds to do.

That being said, believe or not, I'll do what I damn well please, and be happy knowing God wants me to do this. Thank you. '

God created man and Satan will free will. Free will to choose evil. God is all good. The evil of this world comes from Satan and man CHOOSING evil. God has been asking us since He created us to come to Him and choose good. But atheists and others ignore Him and choose evil. He does not want robots, He wants people to come to Him but still have a choice to go against Him.

So God did create evil, since He created everything but Satan and man CHOOSE evil so that's why we as humans experience it. Not because God is forcing evil upon us, WE choose it. So to say God makes all the evil things happen is WRONG.

[P.S.A.]

Just for you InickCrisps, I'm now listening to the following song; Therapy's "Hey Satan - You Rock"

Wanna spend my whole life drunk, never wanna give a ****
Wanna walk through gates of heaven, backstage pass in hand
St. Peter, park my car, there's angels on my mind
Fix me up some manna, where d'ya keep the wine?
Venom on the jukebox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Get me Mary, she's a fox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Hey Satan - you rock
I wanna spend my whole life drunk, never wanna give a ****
Wanna storm through gates of heaven, backstage pass in hand
St. Peter, park my car, there's angels on my mind
Take me through to see the big man, where d'ya keep the wine?
Venom on the jukebox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Get me Mary, she's a fox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Hey Satan - you rock
Venom on the jukebox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Get me Mary, she's a fox
Postcards to hell, hey Satan - you rock
Hey Satan - you rock


See? No God Bitterness there at all; God's just boring man... it's good old fashioned debauchery for me!

[Donks]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
'

God created man and Satan will free will. Free will to choose evil. God is all good. The evil of this world comes from Satan and man CHOOSING evil. God has been asking us since He created us to come to Him and choose good. But atheists and others ignore Him and choose evil. He does not want robots, He wants people to come to Him but still have a choice to go against Him.

So God did create evil, since He created everything but Satan and man CHOOSE evil so that's why we as humans experience it. Not because God is forcing evil upon us, WE choose it. So to say God makes all the evil things happen is WRONG.
Again, god knew from the very beginning every action that would be taken by satan, you, me, and everyone else. He set things in motion this way, and they could turn out no other way, otherwise god would not be omniscient. So neither I nor anyone else can choose to do differently than what god foresaw.

[Z]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
'

God created man and Satan will free will. Free will to choose evil. God is all good. The evil of this world comes from Satan and man CHOOSING evil. God has been asking us since He created us to come to Him and choose good. But atheists and others ignore Him and choose evil. He does not want robots, He wants people to come to Him but still have a choice to go against Him.

So God did create evil, since He created everything but Satan and man CHOOSE evil so that's why we as humans experience it. Not because God is forcing evil upon us, WE choose it. So to say God makes all the evil things happen is WRONG.

Ahem... God did not create Satan???

OR am I misreading your latest insane rant?

Anyway, God gave free will to Man and Satan KNOWING what choices we would already make. KNOWING everything in the future - every last detail of every last choice that could ever possibly happen and would.

If you set a pot of water on a lit burner, and it boils, do you admonish it for boiling? If you set a pyramid on its tip, do you admonish it for falling over? If you lock a fat hen in a cage with a ravenous wolf, do you get mad at the wolf for eating your hen?

God knew what would happen. He chose it this way. We can do no different.

Ironically, that's what pure materialism thinks, too - that we do what we do because we could not have done otherwise.

So blow your horn all you want, Gabriel - I await the Tribulation with glee.

[crimresearch]

"Man and Satan started all the evil. There are consequences when you use your free will against God but you STILL are free to go against God, that was the gift He gave you"

Same old 1inCripes.

He made the argument some time ago that God could give people free will and choose to let them exercise it, voluntarily limiting His omnipotence and omniscience. (Of course 1inCripes also said that Jesus in burning in Hell...).

But what he keeps running away from is the actual words of Scripture that contradict his false statements about the Bible.

And the Bible shows that God has deliberately taken away free will from mankind when it suited Him.

Which brings us back to the same question...how is it that 1inCripes know so much less about Christianity and the Bible than a bunch of skeptics and atheists?

[Z]

Originally posted by Donks
Again, god knew from the very beginning every action that would be taken by satan, you, me, and everyone else. He set things in motion this way, and they could turn out no other way, otherwise god would not be omniscient. So neither I nor anyone else can choose to do differently than what god foresaw.

DAMN YOU, DONKS!

Now YOU get the seat next to the flames!! Argh!! My position in HELL has been usurped by an upstart!!

:D

[RandFan]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
They've called me a joker, a troll, a sockpuppet and probably other things that I've forgetten but that's because there is something they fear. When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists. Not really but thanks anyway.

Man and Satan started all the evil. God started man and satan knowing that they would do evil. God started evil. You might not like it but there is no escaping the fact.

There is a God. Have you read The Holy Bible?
Have you ever prayed to Him? Many times I was a missionary.

Have you ever asked The Holy Ghost to come into your heart? Yes. And I convinced many others to do the same. I got down on my knees with them and prayed. I'm not joking with you it is the honest truth.

You are trying to get God to show Himself through YOUR ways but He shows Himself through HIS ways. You don't make the rules. His rules are arbitrary.

Now remember what I said earlier, you will get your PROOF of Him in the end. Jesus is like insurance. You are insuring your soul so you know you are going to get into Heaven. Jesus Christ died for you so that even though you DON'T deserve Heaven (all humans deserve to spend eternity in Hell), you still can have a chance to get there. I have a chance to get 70 virgins in Heaven if I convert to Islam and strap on a bomb to kill innocent people. Christians are not the only ones who can kill people in the name of god.

[Donks]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
DAMN YOU, DONKS!

Now YOU get the seat next to the flames!! Argh!! My position in HELL has been usurped by an upstart!!

:D
Ha! I beat zaayrdragon!

I win this debate.

[Z]

Originally posted by Donks
Ha! I beat zaayrdragon!

I win this debate.

And the Dragon gave His authority to the Beast...

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
WRONG!

God created us with FREE WILL. God created Satan with FREE WILL. All of the evil comes from MAN and Satan who are exercising their FREE WILL, which God created them with.

If satan is free (and as intelligent as you pressume), why if he chooses to believe in Christ? will he be saved? aahh thats a good question, isnt it? ;)

[Batman Jr.]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
It seems there are atheists who don't believe in God because He's illogical. I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. He makes God seem illogical so you won't believe in Him. This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe. Because what we call becoming ''smarter'' and ''mature'' is nothing but an illusion from Satan designed to stop us from believing in God.
Hmmm...

So, Satan we have established is "bad" and anything that he does is bad. Since Satan created logic, logic is "bad." Therefore, logic cannot be used to seek the truth. Don't you realize that these are logical procedures you are using to support your argument?

And good luck having the innocence of a child. I hope you don't accidentally eat too many paint chips or stick your finger in an electrical outlet. You should stop using your computer too. The development of the computer predicated itself on logic and empiricism. You should also stop using your car, cooking things on your stove, watching TV, using medicine, or any number of other things that actually work which came about through logical, scientific thought.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Batman Jr.
You should stop using your computer too. The development of the computer predicated itself on logic and empiricism. You should also stop using your car, cooking things on your stove, watching TV, using medicine, or any number of other things that actually work which came about through logical, scientific thought. Don't you just love folks who embrace technology wile they dismiss science?

[Dr Adequate]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
When you spread what the The Holy Bible says to the masses, many of them react harshly because they are so deep rooted in their sinful and selfish lives that any hint of them being accountable for their actions rattles their cage. They know The Holy Bible is true and when they hear what it says, they KNOW that they will have to answer to Him in the end and they don't want to believe that. They want to keep living their sinful and selfish lives and ignore the FACT that God exists. Excuse me, have I got this straight?

You're claiming that everyone believes that you're right?

Well, I can see that you haven't let Satanic logic and reason affect your judgement there.

You are lying to yourself. Not everyone thinks that you are right. You can tell 'em by the way they say that you're wrong. HELL-o-OOO?

The question everyone's wondering about is whether you are sincere. You go to such lengths to make Christianity look stupid and evil. This is why people wonder if you're a troll.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Bodhi Dharma Zen
If satan is free (and as intelligent as you pressume), why if he chooses to believe in Christ? will he be saved? aahh thats a good question, isnt it? ;)

I'm not sure. I will speak with my Pastor about this tomorrow and get back to you.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
Excuse me, have I got this straight?

You're claiming that everyone believes that you're right?

Well, I can see that you haven't let Satanic logic and reason affect your judgement there.

You are lying to yourself. Not everyone thinks that you are right. You can tell 'em by the way they say that you're wrong. HELL-o-OOO?

The question everyone's wondering about is whether you are sincere. You go to such lengths to make Christianity look stupid and evil. This is why people wonder if you're a troll.

How am I making God look stupid and evil?????

[H3LL]

Very nice sunny weather today.

13°C

Dewpoint -12°C

Humidity 17%

Barometer 765mm

[Throg]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
How am I making God look stupid and evil?????

Since you represent him in this forum and doing so in a stupid way (one that asserts that one must abandon reason) it follows that if we believe that you accurately represent God's position, God's position is stupid.

Since it is plain that you will not convert one person here by means of blank assertion yet you refuse to enage on a level of rational argument, it follows that you are not interested in converting anyone. In this respect, you are going against the word of God. Furthermore, the only discernible purpose in your repeated assertions, given that you make no attempt to convert, is to remind us that we are irrevocably damned to Hell, while you are not. This is evil and embodies the sin of pride.

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by Throg
Since you represent him in this forum and doing so in a stupid way (one that asserts that one must abandon reason) it follows that if we believe that you accurately represent God's position, God's position is stupid.

Since it is plain that you will not convert one person here by means of blank assertion yet you refuse to enage on a level of rational argument, it follows that you are not interested in converting anyone. In this respect, you are going against the word of God. Furthermore, the only discernible purpose in your repeated assertions, given that you make no attempt to convert, is to remind us that we are irrevocably damned to Hell, while you are not. This is evil and embodies the sin of pride.

This proves you do not understand at all what I've been saying. God is BEYOND logic and reason. To say that God is completely logical is INSULTING to Him. He is FAR BEYOND limited human understanding. In the Bible He revealed all that is needed to live a good life and attain salvation through the blood of Christ. To question Him or try and apply logic to Him is useless because our understanding is very LIMITED and FINITE. Compared to God's
wisdom, we are idiots!

You can't understand what I'm saying because you blindly follow logic and reason, you never question it. You do just as schools and universities have told you. Think critically and don't question logic and reason. And you call Christians brainwashed....

I get so frustrated in dealing with you zealous materialism fundamentalist.

[Z]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
This proves you do not understand at all what I've been saying. God is BEYOND logic and reason. To say that God is completely logical is INSULTING to Him. He is FAR BEYOND limited human understanding. In the Bible He revealed all that is needed to live a good life and attain salvation through the blood of Christ. To question Him or try and apply logic to Him is useless because our understanding is very LIMITED and FINITE. Compared to God's
wisdom, we are idiots!

You can't understand what I'm saying because you blindly follow logic and reason, you never question it. You do just as schools and universities have told you. Think critically and don't question logic and reason. And you call Christians brainwashed....

I get so frustrated in dealing with you zealous materialism fundamentalist.

Proof positive he's joshing us, folks!

OK, who's sock puppet are you?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Proof positive he's joshing us, folks!

OK, who's sock puppet are you?

I am not a sock puppet. I'm going to ignore all future accusations, there is no reason to respond to them anymore. I am not a sock puppet and I'm not a troll, case closed.

[Z]

Yeah, sure... 'Blindly follow logic and reason' - as opposed to blindly following the Bible.

'Think critically and don't question logic and reason'... Well, that one speaks for itself.

'zealous materialism fundamentalist' - as opposed to zealous bible fundamentalist.

At least a materialism fundamentalist knows his own subject matter. You apparently don't know yours... indicating you are either INCREDIBLY stupid, or a sock puppet having some fun.

...

Now that I think about it, I don't think you're a sock after all. Puppet, obviously - but otherwise just AMAZINGLY stupid.

Anyway, it's Sunday morning - you ought to be in Garage right now, right??

And don't forget - blindly follow your bible, think faithfully and don't question Scripture and your pasture, and become a good zealous Christian fundamentalist, now, y'hear?

[1inChrist]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
Yeah, sure... 'Blindly follow logic and reason' - as opposed to blindly following the Bible.

'Think critically and don't question logic and reason'... Well, that one speaks for itself.

'zealous materialism fundamentalist' - as opposed to zealous bible fundamentalist.

At least a materialism fundamentalist knows his own subject matter. You apparently don't know yours... indicating you are either INCREDIBLY stupid, or a sock puppet having some fun.

...

Now that I think about it, I don't think you're a sock after all. Puppet, obviously - but otherwise just AMAZINGLY stupid.

Anyway, it's Sunday morning - you ought to be in Garage right now, right??

And don't forget - blindly follow your bible, think faithfully and don't question Scripture and your pasture, and become a good zealous Christian fundamentalist, now, y'hear?

Call me stupid all you like. I'm used to being insulting on these boards.

I will be going to Church this morning and will speak to my Pastor about the question regarding Satan.

God loves you all.

[Throg]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
This proves you do not understand at all what I've been saying. God is BEYOND logic and reason. To say that God is completely logical is INSULTING to Him. He is FAR BEYOND limited human understanding. In the Bible He revealed all that is needed to live a good life and attain salvation through the blood of Christ. To question Him or try and apply logic to Him is useless because our understanding is very LIMITED and FINITE. Compared to God's
wisdom, we are idiots!

You can't understand what I'm saying because you blindly follow logic and reason, you never question it. You do just as schools and universities have told you. Think critically and don't question logic and reason. And you call Christians brainwashed....


This proved you do not understand at all what you've been saying.

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Call me stupid all you like. I'm used to being insulting on these boards.

Yet another great quote from 1inC:

I'm used to being insulting on these boards.

Yes, 1inC, you are insulting. Especially to your faith.

[P.S.A.]

At least a materialism fundamentalist knows his own subject matter. You apparently don't know yours... indicating you are either INCREDIBLY stupid, or a sock puppet having some fun.

...

Now that I think about it, I don't think you're a sock after all. Puppet, obviously - but otherwise just AMAZINGLY stupid.


He reminds me a bit of American, with his "argument from exagerated stereotype" style trolling. But on the other hand, the Religious Right often goes way beyond the stereotype in it's behaviour anyway; such as declaring that Tinky Winky (from the Teletubbies) and Spongebob Squarepants are pushing a homosexual agenda, to name just one thing. So perhaps 1inChrist is actually genuinely this stupid. Or simply repeating the talking points of the genuinely stupid. Either way, I agree with you, the overall stupidity is amazing, isn't it?

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Yet another great quote from 1inC:

I'm used to being insulting on these boards.

Yes, 1inC, you are insulting. Especially to your faith.

Do you think it will be overkill if I add that one to my sig? ;)

[Correa Neto]

I am considering using the following lines from 1inchrist as my new sig:

" I have shown in earlier threads why logic and reason are tools of Satan. He makes God seem illogical so you won't believe in Him. This is why Jesus said you have to have the innocence of a child to believe. Because what we call becoming ''smarter'' and ''mature'' is nothing but an illusion from Satan designed to stop us from believing in God."

Irrational god...

Or perhaps the following:

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners Saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah

Wich one do you think is most appropriate? I have a lot of simpathy for the devil, I must say... At least he´s logical and coherent.

[DarkMagician]

1inChrist, you know little about critical writing.

You know little about the version of theology you declare yourself to believe in.

Heck, you know little about english spelling and grammar.

It would behoove you to learn about these things before your next post.

[Throg]

Originally posted by Correa Neto


Wich one do you think is most appropriate? I have a lot of simpathy for the devil, I must say... At least he´s logical and coherent.

Sympathy For The Devil is funkier and who do you really want to be associated with a bunch of guys who spent large parts of their lives completely out of their minds or 1inChrist?

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Yet another great quote from 1inC:

I'm used to being insulting on these boards.

Yes, 1inC, you are insulting. Especially to your faith.

And, do you get the impression that he spends his entire time posting around on various forums just for some attention?

Come on 1inC, you can tell us... your wife left you because she thought you were nuts, right? And how you spend all day posting on the Internet.

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
I am not a sock puppet. I'm going to ignore all future accusations, there is no reason to respond to them anymore. I am not a sock puppet and I'm not a troll, case closed.

Were that true, then you would be, as already suggested, possibly the worst excuse for a Christian ever.

Your own words clearly show that you know little about Christ, or Scripture, and your speculations as to the nature of God, coming from your lack of knowledge and refusal to think rationally, cause you to go on record as saying inane things like 'Jesus is burning in Hell right now'.

You can't get much more wrong than that...
Actually you can and did, when caught denyng Christ as your Savior, but you finally recanted on that one.
On the Christ in Hell quote, you have continued to allow that statement to stand, and it is too late to claim you didn't mean it.

And then there is the small matter of your unChristian lying and abusive name calling...and let us not forget your dabbling in the occult...again, all posted here in your own words.

If you really want to do God a favor, switch to being a Muslim...it will make Christianity look a whole lot more attractive to be rid of you.

Or give it up, and admit that you are just as much an agnostic as anyone here.

[billydkid]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
This proves you do not understand at all what I've been saying. God is BEYOND logic and reason. To say that God is completely logical is INSULTING to Him. He is FAR BEYOND limited human understanding. In the Bible He revealed all that is needed to live a good life and attain salvation through the blood of Christ. To question Him or try and apply logic to Him is useless because our understanding is very LIMITED and FINITE. Compared to God's
wisdom, we are idiots!

You can't understand what I'm saying because you blindly follow logic and reason, you never question it. You do just as schools and universities have told you. Think critically and don't question logic and reason. And you call Christians brainwashed....

I get so frustrated in dealing with you zealous materialism fundamentalist.

I am perfectly willing to concede that if there were a God we would never be able to comprehend him. However, you come in here exclaiming that you DO in fact comprehend him and the you are somehow endowed with some extraordinary insight which make you worthy to show us the error of our ways. I would suggest that it is not we atheists who are overcome with hubris, it is yourself and other true believers claiming to know "the truth". The difference between you and us is that we don't make any claim about knowing what "the truth" is except to the extent that we are certain that YOU don't know what it is either. Unlike yourself, we have not chosen to arbitrarily believe something because it give us a sense divine significance and superiority.

[Robin]

Originally posted by billydkid
I am perfectly willing to concede that if there were a God we would never be able to comprehend him. However, you come in here exclaiming that you DO in fact comprehend him and the you are somehow endowed with some extraordinary insight which make you worthy to show us the error of our ways. I would suggest that it is not we atheists who are overcome with hubris, it is yourself and other true believers claiming to know "the truth". The difference between you and us is that we don't make any claim about knowing what "the truth" is except to the extent that we are certain that YOU don't know what it is either. Unlike yourself, we have not chosen to arbitrarily believe something because it give us a sense divine significance and superiority.
Yes, it has always seemed to me that the ultimate blasphemy must be those people that claim to know what God is thinking and what God wants.

What people mean when they say "Do God's will" is "Do our will on the basis that we claim to know God's will".

There is no shortage of people that claim to know God's will and they rarely agree. Everybody interprets the Bible differently all claiming that it is infallible.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Robin
Yes, it has always seemed to me that the ultimate blasphemy must be those people that claim to know what God is thinking and what God wants.

What people mean when they say "Do God's will" is "Do our will on the basis that we claim to know God's will".

There is no shortage of people that claim to know God's will and they rarely agree. Everybody interprets the Bible differently all claiming that it is infallible. Exactly!

[neutrino_cannon]

Oh now you're all just being silly.

2 Timothy 1:9


Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


Clearly shows that not only is salvation by faith alone, as per traditional Protestant dogma, but also that faith is up to God.

2 Thessalonians 2:11


And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

Also indicates that faith is determined by God alone.

Only the elect get into heaven, and the rest of us are hopeless, possibly souless reprobates with no hope of God's eternal hope.

[Z]

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

There is some interesting reading here and there (I'm not sure of the links) that suggests the events of Christ's salvation occured prior to any event in the Bible - in the Spirit World.

This is part of what Iacchus' Idol Swedenborg (sp?) mentions - except he thinks it happened in the 1700s or 1800s.

Anyway, it almost sounds like Paul is admitting here that Christ's story is allegorical, doesn't it? :)

[Robin]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
You can't understand what I'm saying because you blindly follow logic and reason, you never question it. You do just as schools and universities have told you. Think critically and don't question logic and reason. And you call Christians brainwashed....
The trouble is that we do understand what you are saying, we just don't buy it, (and probably neither do the majority of Christians).

It is inaccurate to say that materialists do not question logic and reason, they question it all the time. Take a scientist for example (theist and atheist alike), if an experiment disagrees with the logic and reason used to make the hypothesis, then the hypothesis is abandoned and they rethink it with the new data.

Mathematicians (again whether they are theists or atheists) question the logical assumptions and bases of their field all the time as do materialist philosophers.

It is probably the most important sentence for all critical thinking - 'I could be wrong'.

Anyone who says instead 'I am right - You are wrong' is probably not to be relied on. I only wish 1inChrist would question the basis for his beliefs as much as so called materialists question logic and reason.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
There is some interesting reading here and there (I'm not sure of the links) that suggests the events of Christ's salvation occured prior to any event in the Bible - in the Spirit World.

This is part of what Iacchus' Idol Swedenborg (sp?) mentions - except he thinks it happened in the 1700s or 1800s.

Anyway, it almost sounds like Paul is admitting here that Christ's story is allegorical, doesn't it? :)

I was trying to quote it as a Calvinist would (though I'm unsure as to what passages underpin Calvinist predeterminist doctrine), as evidence that the decision as to who goes to Heaven or who goes to Hell is God's perogative alone, so evangelism is pointless.

I suppose it could be interpreted that way too.

[Kopji]

The question of Satan's free will is a curious one, be interesting to hear what the pastor says. Probably something like:
'stay off the internet'.

This seems similar to the old 'Judas question', "did Judas go to heaven or hell?" Following the story, his actions were according to God's will and there is a definite sense where he did not have any 'free will' about it. Judas' "purpose" in life was to fulfill prophecy and betray the Son of God.

Did he volunteer for that role ahead of time or draw short straw?

'Free will' just does not seem to make sense as part of Biblical teaching. It feels good, but would it be risky for me to ask anyone to provide a shred of scriptural basis for it?

[Beerina]

So to those of you who are emotional [bitter-at-God] atheists, I have a message for you:


Here's a better message. (http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/twainlfe.htm)

[crimresearch]

Originally posted by Kopji
The question of Satan's free will is a curious one, be interesting to hear what the pastor says. Probably something like:
'stay off the internet'....

1inCripes may be running from the questions about his unChristian posts, but I notice that he isn't staying off the internet...

He just isn't answering the questions...again.

[sackett]

Hey, lay off my pal OneInch. Sundays take a lot out of him. You can lose a good deal of blood through those stigmata. And then there's snakebite, and who knows what you might pick up rolling around on a garage floor?

[Elind]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Then you have a lot of believers here because the majority of atheists here are very bitter at God.

You seem to have trouble distinguishing between attacks (critiques perhaps) directed at YOU and those directed at your god. That sounds a bit like you may have delusions of grandeur. Do you occassionally wake up thinking you are the Pope, infallible, all knowing?

I suggest you take what you get here personally and stop fobbing it off on God as if you were the appointed prophet, then perhaps you would understand counter arguments a little better.

As has already been pointed out, an atheist can't be an atheist and also be "angry" at a god. What's left? You!

[Bishop (takes Pawn)]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
Call me stupid all you like. I'm used to being insulting on these boards.

I will be going to Church this morning and will speak to my Pastor about the question regarding Satan.

God loves you all.

1inch, I have been mulling some thoughts in my mind and am strongly considering "accepting" God. But I want to make sure I do it right. What exactly does "accepting" God or Jesus entail? I mean, does it just involve saying those magic words or do I have to do certain things, like going to church every Sunday, even if I have the flu? I'm ready to say those words, but I want to make sure that I don't get cheated out of avoiding hell just because I didn't say them right or failed to eat a communion wafer or something. It would suck if I accept Jesus into my heart and my soul (and my large intestine, if need be) and then when I die, I meet a sobbing God at the gates of paradise who wails that, as much as he loves me, he can't accept into heaven because I looked at some chick's butt in church one Sunday, while some pervert who rapes chickens all his life has a change of heart on his deathbed and he gets to spend eternity in heaven while I get my heart, soul, and large intestine roasted by Satan and his minions.

My point is: does accepting God erase all sins you've committed to that point, or all future ones as well? If I, being the slick goat that I am, plan to continue to follow my sinful ways, only to repent and "accept" God on my deathbed, (like so many mass-murdering, bestiality-loving sinners do in Chick tracts) will this work against me or will it erase all my past transgressions, including my intention to deceive?

[Bishop (takes Pawn)]

Follow-up: I'm certain that the majority of people who "accept" God or Jesus do so, not because they love him, but because they want to avoid the fires of HELL . Is this frowned upon by the maker of the invisible rules? What if someone couldn't care less about frying in hell but has always found one of the saints to be kind of cute and wants to spend eternity chasing her around the clouds. If he "accepts" Jesus and goes to church and swallows a piece of God and his blood every Sunday, does this intention void the contract, or his he allowed in anyway? Because if so, I think St. Barbara better watch out!!

[Bruce]

I haven't read a word of this post, so I don't know if anyone has brought this up or not, but there is a way to tell a logical atheist from an emotional one. An emotional atheist will argue endlessly with people like 1inChrist. A logical atheist fails to see the point of speaking to people like 1inChrist at all.

There you have it.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Bruce
I haven't read a word of this post, so I don't know if anyone has brought this up or not, but there is a way to tell a logical atheist from an emotional one. An emotional atheist will argue endlessly with people like 1inChrist. A logical atheist fails to see the point of speaking to people like 1inChrist at all.

There you have it.

What about those that mainly make fun of the sock puppet 1inch's posts? Are they bitter atheists? Are they happy agnostics? Manic-depressive zen buddhists without even knowing it? I need an answer now!

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

quote:
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Originally posted by Bodhi Dharma Zen
If satan is free (and as intelligent as you pressume), why if he chooses to believe in Christ? will he be saved? aahh thats a good question, isnt it?
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Originally posted by 1inChrist
I'm not sure. I will speak with my Pastor about this tomorrow and get back to you.

Hello, 1inC, Im still wondering about this. Thanks.

[brookus]

Originally posted by 1inChrist
He does not want robots...
What the... Not even Aibo? Marvin? That short guy from Buck Rogers? What kind of god is this?!

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Hawk one
What about those that mainly make fun of the sock puppet 1inch's posts? Are they bitter atheists? Are they happy agnostics? Manic-depressive zen buddhists without even knowing it? I need an answer now!

Patients, young padowan. The answer will come in due time. Remember, doctors recieve patients.

[Scot C. Trypal]

Thought you’d want to know, 1inChrist:

Scientist said this week they had drilled into the lower section of Earth's crust for the first time and were poised to break through to the mantle in coming years.

http://www.livescience.com/technology/050407_earth_drill.html

Get that tape recorder ready; we’ll be at the gates of Hell in no time.

[Beerina]

Originally posted by Bishop (takes Pawn)
Follow-up: I'm certain that the majority of people who "accept" God or Jesus do so, not because they love him, but because they want to avoid the fires of HELL .

Ahhh, God-as-terrorist.

Of course, Heaven is an awesome place, presumably better than having Anjelina Jolie do, umm, well we won't go there. But presumably better than that -- all the time. It's the best place there is, after all, right?

In any event, wonderful Heaven awaits.

This is God-as-sugar-daddy.

Hmmmm.

Religion offers two choices as to why I should believe:

God-as-terrorist
God-as-sugar-daddy

Neither seem particularly good reasons as to why I should worship God as a moral imperative. They seem almost like clownish, childlike attempts at manipulation.

Of course, God wants you to be good, so you could be ye kind just for the (non-) Hell of it, only to be rewarded by an afterlife where skills of helping others are completely useless.

[Hawk one]

Originally posted by Bruce
Patients, young padowan. The answer will come in due time. Remember, doctors recieve patients.

Awww, that's so typical of you, Obi-Bruce. You always hold me back! I am already powerful enough to be a jedi, but you just won't allow me to prove it! Why can't you see this?[/childish whining badly acted]

[crimresearch]

Notice that 1inCripes is back, and posting in other threads and forums, but won't come near this one to answer any of the questions he ran away from last week.


But he's no troll...ohh no.
:rolleyes:

[crimresearch]

Bump...because 1inC is on, and posting in Politics...but still won't answer questions as to why he does such a bad job of displaying basic knowledge of Scripture, or why he fails to act like a Christian.

[crimresearch]

I'll repost the questions here, since 1inC ran awy from them in Politics...

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Why did you say you would respond to someone in the Religion forum, and then not do it? Is your word any good?

What does God say about the kind of lies and name calling you do on this forum?

Why do you say that Jesus is burning in Hell?

What does God say about your dabbling in the occult and witchraft when you do your fortune telling spiel, and your magical healing claim?

Why is it that you don't know what Lo Tirtzakh means?

Why do you use a Catholic artifact for your forum avatar...and what does God say about that?
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[Bruce]

Originally posted by Hawk one
Awww, that's so typical of you, Obi-Bruce. You always hold me back! I am already powerful enough to be a jedi, but you just won't allow me to prove it! Why can't you see this?[/childish whining badly acted]

I'll let that go because midichlroians can make you behave strangely when you reach a certain age. Oh, you might find yourself growing hair in funny places too. ;)