Does the idea that you might be God disturb you?

[lifegazer]

I've just asked somebody this in another thread. I'm genuinely interested in hearing sensible replies to this question from whomever is interested.

Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God. But it has occured to me that such a revelation might not be welcomed. If not, why not? Why do you prefer to perceive yourself as the limited and mortal entity that exists within your awareness?

This could be an interesting thread. It depends upon you lot.

Edited to add: assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply.

[EdipisReks]

i wish i was god. then i could make you and your lover 1inChrist go away, and this forum would be filled with happiness and butterflies.

[Iacchus]

I am not God, although I believe in The One.

[wahrheit]

Originally posted by lifegazer
... according to me, you are God.
Kneel down.

[ma1ic3]

I don't believe in Santa Claus either, so you better be a good boy this year or I won't be putting anything under your christmas tree.

[Lord Emsworth]

What's "God?"

[Ryokan]

Originally posted by Iacchus
I am not God, although I believe in The One.

Jet Li? :eek:

[Lisa Simpson]

Originally posted by Lord Emsworth
What's "God?"



Eric Clapton.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Ryokan
Jet Li? :eek: Who dat? ... :con2:

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Iacchus
I am not God, although I believe in The One.
Yours, so far, is the only sensible reply. (What a pity).
However, how do you reconcile a belief in "The One" with an accompanying belief that 'you' are another?

Do you believe that you - 'Iacchus' - exist apart and separate from God?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Yours, so far, is the only sensible reply. (What a pity).
However, how do you reconcile a belief in "The One" with an accompanying belief that 'you' are another?

Do you believe that you - 'Iacchus' - exist apart and separate from God? If I were God, then who's running the show? It's certainly not me! :D

[wahrheit]

Originally posted by Iacchus
If I were God, then who's running the show? It's certainly not me! :D
I am, damn! Kneel down now, will ya???

[P.S.A.]

Bearing in mind that the person most like God here on Earth is supposed to be you, then yes the idea that I might be God is disturbing...

Because you've been told, time and time again, that we cannot fear what we don't believe exists. We cannot be disturbed by what we don't believe exists. Our rejection of you has NOTHING to do with any such emotions, because WE CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE THEM. And yet here you are again, insanely asking the same rhetorical question that isn't, what must be the 50th-odd time, refusing to accept that the reason we reject your "philosophy" is because it's self centred illogical crap, rather than because we think or fear it's true. WE DON'T THINK SO. WE CAN'T FEAR IT.

Which means if I honestly accept your philosophy just for the sake of argument right now, then I'd be deeply, deeply disturbed.

Literally.

Because God is a flaming lunatic. An obsessional irrational bore. A psycopathic, double think, disturbed and disturbing individual.

Fortunately, I'm not God. So I don't feel disturbed at all... I feel happy. Satisfied?

How many times must this be repeated to you before you realise what a fool you are making of yourself with this? Another 6 years? When are you going to get the deeper point behind my endless jokes about your "philosophy"..? Or are we just going to get more humiliating (for you) nonsense like your machismo from previous nights? Humiliations which will last as long as the internet records do... Why do you hate yourself so much that you must persist in this lunatic self - flagellation? Is this how you cope with being unable to be as great as your ego says you should have been? Well, if you must beat up your own God (that is, yourself) this badly, then carry on: But no one else wants to spend 5 minutes in the **** City that is Lifegazertown... deal with it.

[UserGoogol]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Who dat? ... :con2:

A Chinese actor who was in a movie entitled The One (http://imdb.com/title/tt0267804/) which had the somewhat silly premise that there are multiple (but a finite number of) universes and if you kill an alternate version of yourself, its power gets distributed among all the yous in the universe. In the movie, someone played by Jet Li was attempting to kill all the other Jet Lis, and as a result become.... "the one."

[Eleatic Stranger]

Does it disturb me? Well.. hold on... yes, actually it does. Brrrr..

Excuse me while I check for divine attributes...

Ok, no I've got none. I'm safe.

But seriously folks - you should do a self inspection for divine attributes at least once every six months. People with a family history of divinity should check more often, and consult a theologian about preventative care. It's a preventable disease, you know...

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Iacchus
If I were God, then who's running the show? It's certainly not me! :D
Iacchus squire, after all these years I thought you understood me:
'Iacchus' is the guy you see and believe yourself to be every time you look within Yourself.
If you want to know yourself, stop looking within.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Do you believe that you - 'Iacchus' - exist apart and separate from God? I believe that we are all cut out of the "fabric" of God, if you so choose to put it that way.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
Bearing in mind that the person most like God here on Earth is supposed to be you, then yes the idea that I might be God is disturbing...

Whoa carrot-cruncher. Who said this? Cerainly not me!
The only 'person' who has ever come close to representing God-as-man, is Jesus, as far as I'm concerned.
I've never said that I am 'pure' or 'holy' or 'The one to be worshipped' - or anything like that - so get your facts straight for a change.
I present the truth of God/existence to you, as a philosopher. Yet all you're interested in - like everyone else - is whether I'm perfect and whether I can heal your brother. Not to mention yourself.

If you have any balls - and I doubt it since you were born in the southwest - you should be honest with me and answer the questions I asked of you in my OP.
Get honest & sincere with me and you'll get alot more out of me. Try faking it.

[P.S.A.]

Iacchus squire, after all these years I thought you understood me:

You do realise that Iacchus has denied knowing you for years? More than thrice in fact... A regular Judacchus he is! Then again, telling outrageous lies and holding no consistent position does seem to be part of the wider Acosmism movement, so maybe he does understand you very well indeed...

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
You do realise that Iacchus has denied knowing you for years? More than thrice in fact... A regular Judacchus he is! Then again, telling outrageous lies and holding no consistent position does seem to be part of the wider Acosmism movement, so maybe he does understand you very well indeed... More innuendo ...

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Iacchus
I believe that we are all cut out of the "fabric" of God, if you so choose to put it that way.
I don't know what that means squire. You imply that God is divisible. Surely you don't believe that God is "breakable"?

Are you a Christian? Or are you affiliated to any specific religion? I'm just curious what your stance is. I've read alot of your stuff but have never worked out where you are standing.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I don't know what that means squire. You imply that God is divisible. Surely you don't believe that God is "breakable"?Sorry to counter yours with another question but, do you believe that God is capable of experiencing pain? I may not be able to speak for God, but I can assure you, I do experience pain.

Are you a Christian? Or are you affiliated to any specific religion? I'm just curious what your stance is. I've read alot of your stuff but have never worked out where you are standing. Mine is more of the home brewed variety (I'm more the mystic), although it definintely has its Judeo/Christian as well as Greek mythological origins.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Whoa carrot-cruncher. Who said this? Cerainly not me!

Yes certainly you did. Lifegazer, you absolutely need to seek professional medical help if you think you never claimed this. Not only did you claim this, you've also claimed the benefits of being God yourself. The miracles, remember? That's what comes when you strip away the illusion of the world and realise you are God, according to you. Do you honestly think we've all forgotten that?

You see, I DO understand your arguments. I don't give them the time of day because you are frankly one step away from being sectioned. Every stupid argument you come out I read and instantly understand both the flow and the worth of them. As do most people here, because we are genuinely intelligent.

Look you pillock, if you aren't God yourself, your whole philosophy collapses.

And if you aren't the most in tune with God, Jesus was... then we should be Christians, not followers of the violent, dishonest, inchorant asshat that is Darren Von Lifegazer.

And if you haven't pulled away the veil between us and God, then you don't get any of the benefits of being God.

It's simple logic, and the fact that you not only can't see it, but have to lie about things which we can still see in the JREF archives just goes to show how far from any kind of dignity you've receeded.

I've never said that I am 'pure' or 'holy' or 'The one to be worshipped' - or anything like that - so get your facts straight for a change.

No, you've never shown you are pure or holy, it is true. You've proven time and time again you are an absolute wanker. But you've claimed to be God. I tell you what, let's have a test shall we? You claim I don't have any balls... let's have yours onto the scales then. A challenge! *smacks your face with a glove*

If I or anyone else can find ONE example of you stating that Lifegazer here and now IS God in all his splendour, you will have proven to be a liar, and will cease posting on the JREF boards forever because you are a despicable cur. However, if I or anyone elsecannot find A SINGLE quote where you declare this, within let's say a week, I myself shall leave the JREF boards, as I'm clearly unbalanced with hatred for you, or some such

Come on then Lifegazer, balls out. Oh, don't worry about weasalling out of the challenge... You just admit you don't have any balls, that's all.

I present the truth of God/existence to you, as a philosopher. Yet all you're interested in - like everyone else - is whether I'm perfect and whether I can heal your brother. Not to mention yourself.

Because that's your definition of God, you stupid ("This one's too old, let's toss her overboard" - Ed). Why do you think I've been using that argument? According to you, the reason we should want to be God is precisely because he's perfect. I know you make up your rubbish in an hour, but can't you even recall what it was you were arguing in the previous hour?

If you have any balls - and I doubt it since you were born in the southwest -

You dumb, dumb pillock. I've TOLD you now which city I was born in. And is it in the South West? Well, idiot... IS IT?

I've told you in the past that I live now in the South West... I told you that when I asked you to use your God powers to tell me which city I was in. And I ALSO told you at that time that I'd was born in a different, northern city, just in case your mighty God magic homed in on the wrong place. You chickened out of taking that test too.

bwaaack bwaaack bwaaack!

Hear that Lifegazer? It's the God Of Chickens, claiming you for his own.

you should be honest with me and answer the questions I asked of you in my OP.

I HAVE. STOP BEING SO DUMB.

Get honest & sincere with me and you'll get alot more out of me. Try faking it. [/B]

There's nothing to get out of you. Which is why everyone has left you. And why every time you open one of these threads, you continue to be left behind.

You chicken.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Iacchus
More innuendo ...

I apologise for making the mistake of proving your lies, in numerous threads with countless sources for proof of my claims, and shall henceforth merely say it in a cute manner, and with a smiley after it, and then it becomes a deep and meaningful truth.

Who is it whom hides knowledge and honesty from Iacchus? Who could this master illusionist be? :)

[Eleatic Stranger]

Is anyone else amused by an argument between Lifegazer and Iaccus?

It's like the Alien Vs Predator movie -- "Whoever wins, <s>we</s> also loses".

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Eric Clapton.


I see. But I am not Eric Clapton.

[Lisa Simpson]

Too bad. "Layla" rocks.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Eleatic Stranger
Is anyone else amused by an argument between Lifegazer and Iaccus?

It's like the Alien Vs Predator movie -- "Whoever wins, <s>we</s> also loses". Actually, I think that in all of time that I've been aware of lifegazer's presence (online), we haven't had much more than half a dozen discourses with each other ... for what it's worth anyway. ;)

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Sorry to counter yours with another question but, do you believe that God is capable of experiencing pain? I may not be able to speak for God, but I can assure you, I do experience pain.

Of course I believe that - like I belive God is capable of imposing any experience upon Itself.
I don't see your point though.

Mine is more of the home brewed variety (I'm more the mystic), although it definintely has its Judeo/Christian as well as Greek mythological origins.
We're of a similar breed then. I just don't understand how - given that Jesus, the man, said: "I and the father are One" - that you could have mistaken those words to mean anything other than Jesus declaring himself as God perceiving Itself to being [Jesus the] man.
But I won't push it. If it you want a convo about it we can have it. If not, then sobeit.

[P.S.A.]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the trouble trying to be cute instead of wise gets you into... Observe;

Originally posted by Iacchus
Actually, I think that in all of time that I've been aware of lifegazer's presence (online), we haven't had much more than half a dozen discourses with each other ... for what it's worth anyway. ;)

So Iacchus... Lifegazer was either lying or deluded when he said you'd known him for years, and should understand him by now, was he?

Bear in mind that a shifty avoiding of that question will lower your own credibility instead...

That's some Catch, that Catch 22.... The best there is.

Oh, and in honor of our resident prophets, more song lyrics! Slayer's Read Between The Lies;

Evangelist you claim God speaks through you,
Your restless mouth full of lies gains popularity.
You care not for the old that suffer,
When empty pockets cry from hunger.

Penniless from their generosity,
Sharing your money to quench their greed.
Searching for the answer to their prayers
They cry their last wish of need.
Save me.

His spirit lives and breathes in me.
The almighty transformed to your screen.
The meanings lost in its translation,
No holy words, describe his deception.

You say you'll help us find the lord,
Tell me preacher how do you know
A simple quest for a visible savior,
To lead us through our final prayer.
Save me.

Send your donations,
Contribute to the cause.
Luxuries,
Your righteous reward?

Praise the lord, praise god,
Is what you wish to sell.
There is no heaven without a hell.

In your mind's eye could you truly believe,
That by giving you can save your soul,
Could you be so naive!
You heal the sick,[you] raise the dead,
You blind the congregation
With the things you say.

Religious blackmail a deceit of trust,
That death will come and all will be lost.

Can you hear the serpents call,
Look deep in those deceiving eyes.
Ignore the writing on the wall,
You should read between the lies.

When doubt subsides his honesty,
An inquiry, is it blasphemy?
Impure the soul, that's made to suffer,
No sermons left to hide or cover,
An empty promise, lie unfulfilled,
To steal a dream or get it killed.
They claim your trip to heavens nearby,
You may believe it but satan wouldn't lie.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
If I or anyone else can find ONE example of you stating that Lifegazer here and now IS God in all his splendour, you will have proven to be a liar, and will cease posting on the JREF boards forever because you are a despicable cur. However, if I or anyone elsecannot find A SINGLE quote where you declare this, within let's say a week, I myself shall leave the JREF boards, as I'm clearly unbalanced with hatred for you, or some such Did you know that it's a very common practice amongst Hindu's to greet each other as if they were gods? And, although I don't quite agree, I can see why they would behave this way, since we all have a part of God's nature in us.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
Yes certainly you did. Lifegazer, you absolutely need to seek professional medical help

Show me a man that knows what existence is and what existence is all about and what we should be thinking with regards these absolute facts and I will gladly go and see him/her.
Show me any other kind of [mind] 'doctor' and I'll charge THEM for my services.
In other words, only those that know the absolute truth are worthy of giving "professional medical help".
Therein lies your nemesis.

Look you pillock, if you aren't God yourself, your whole philosophy collapses.

Even Jesus acknowledged that it was not 'he' (Jesus) that performed the miracles. Expect nothing more from me that Jesus couldn't do for himself.

And if you aren't the most in tune with God, Jesus was... then we should be Christians, not followers of the violent, dishonest, inchorant asshat that is Darren Von Lifegazer.

You're very funny. You make me laugh. It's a pity we can only converse as opponents to the only serious issue within existence.
Sobeit.

[lifegazer]

Why is it that not a single person, thus far, has honestly responded to my OP?
I honestly see no reason for anyone here to neglect pondering the questions in my OP with a sincere heart.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Of course I believe that - like I belive God is capable of imposing any experience upon Itself.
I don't see your point though.It would be nice if we could be so deliberate about it ... Or, would it?

We're of a similar breed then. I just don't understand how - given that Jesus, the man, said: "I and the father are One" - that you could have mistaken those words to mean anything other than Jesus declaring himself as God perceiving Itself to being [Jesus the] man. I don't claim to be Jesus either, although perhaps the Son of Zeus (http://www.dionysus.org/x0501.html). :D Let's just say it would suffice to say that we were all cut from the fabric of the Creator. Wouldn't want to get too many folks alarmed around here now would we?

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Why is it that not a single person, thus far, has honestly responded to my OP?
I honestly see no reason for anyone here to neglect pondering the questions in my OP with a sincere heart.

Bwaaark bwaaark bwaaark

It's because you are a chicken, and people don't talk to the fowl.

By the way, I didn't expect you to have the balls or honesty to gamble anything important to you, such as posting here... but it might amuse you to know that I've already found, in my idle skip reading your past threads;

* Both me telling you what my degree was weeks ago, and you not even being able to perform the miracle of remembering what it was

* Your claim that absolute faith makes you God. Which you have.

* Your claims that you can perform miracles.

* The thread where I tell you what city I actually grew up in (and that one wasn't hard) and your miraculous forgetfulness of that only moments later.

I expect within the next 20 minutes I'll have 3 more claims that you are God, the original thread where I make the bet you can't use your miraculous powers to say where I'm currently living, and lots of other goodies too, no doubt.

Oh, and I'm cut and pasting them into a Word document so I have all the links handy for when you next try and tell these lies, so I can bust your weasally ass with even less effort next time. And any of yours I come across too, Iacchus. Oh, and listening to the song above too, natch.

AND THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE IGNORING YOUR OP LIFEGAZER. Because we've been down this path of madness, many many times before.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Iacchus
It would be nice if we could be so deliberate about it ... Or, would it?

Speak plainly & bluntly squire. I hate cryptic crosswrods. They are the enemy of reasoned conversation.

I don't claim to be Jesus either, although perhaps the Son of Zeus (http://www.dionysus.org/x0501.html). :D Let's just say it would suffice to say that we were all cut from the fabric of the Creator. Wouldn't want to get too many folks alarmed around here now would we?
Actually, yes we would. That's why we're here. We're not here for our own benefit.

Don't think that I didn't notice that you didn't answer my questions.
As long as you think yourself and your God are truly apart and separate, you will be lost. No major religion portrays that scenario and neither do I.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I've just asked somebody this in another thread. I'm genuinely interested in hearing sensible replies to this question from whomever is interested.

Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God. But it has occured to me that such a revelation might not be welcomed. If not, why not? Why do you prefer to perceive yourself as the limited and mortal entity that exists within your awareness?

This could be an interesting thread. It depends upon you lot.

Edited to add: assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply.

The thought doesn't bother me at all. It would be interesting, if it were true.

It's not the concept, but the presentation. ;)

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by UserGoogol
A Chinese actor who was in a movie entitled The One (http://imdb.com/title/tt0267804/) which had the somewhat silly premise that there are multiple (but a finite number of) universes and if you kill an alternate version of yourself, its power gets distributed among all the yous in the universe. In the movie, someone played by Jet Li was attempting to kill all the other Jet Lis, and as a result become.... "the one."

I thought it was a rather cool idea, for a movie. :(

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
I expect within the next 20 minutes I'll have 3 more claims that you are God, the original thread where I make the bet you can't use your miraculous powers to say where I'm currently living, and lots of other goodies too, no doubt.

I have never said that 'lifegazer' is God. Nor have I said that I am 'lifegazer'. Nor have I said that 'you' are different to me.

I'm certain you don't understand my philosophy.
You certainly have no idea what absolute sanity means.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
The thought doesn't bother me at all. It would be interesting, if it were true.

It's not the concept, but the presentation. ;)
Forget the messenger. Nobody cares if lifegazer is a bozo. It doesn't matter. Now answer the questions and forget about him.
"Interesting" is not an answer.

[Glacian]

If I am God, then I impregnated Mary about 2000 years ago.
I did not impregnate Mary about 2000 years ago.
Therefore, I am not God.

Pretty simple, really. Besides, if I was God, I wouldn't still be a virgin now or for the past 2000 years, much less eternity. Who are you kidding? Er wait, you aren't talking about YHWH are you? In that case, what do you mean by "God"?

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Forget the messenger. Nobody cares if lifegazer is a bozo. It doesn't matter. Now answer the questions and forget about him.
"Interesting" is not an answer.

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
The thought doesn't bother me at all.

READ BEFORE REPLYING!

And by presentation, I'm referring to your shoddy logic, lack of grasp of the facts, and generally ****** attitude when people point out your errors.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Speak plainly & bluntly squire. I hate cryptic crosswrods. They are the enemy of reasoned conversation.It would be nice if we could be so deliberate about imposing pain upon ourselves.

Actually, yes we would. That's why we're here. We're not here for our own benefit.I'm here because it interests me and, because of lack of anything better to do.

Don't think that I didn't notice that you didn't answer my questions.

As long as you think yourself and your God are truly apart and separate, you will be lost. No major religion portrays that scenario and neither do I. Unless you are capable of experiencing separatness, how can you experience what wholeness is? This is why God created hell.

[Correa Neto]

No, it would not bother me to be aware that I am somehow, part of a god. Actually I would be quite happy to know that somehow a part of me would be eternal.

I just don´t see a minimal piece of evidence supporting this.

Next question, please?

edited to add OT questions inspired by Iacchus
Has god dreamt of Satan?
Is Satan aware that he is god?

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Iacchus
I'm here because it interests me and, because of lack of anything better to do.

Stop pretending that 'Iacchus' has a choice. He doesn't - any more than Jesus had a choice to be cruxified.
We are the puppets that tap-dance to God's tunes.
In fact, we are God, dancing - as God would like to dance - through the puppet.
The puppet cannot dance and knows no tunes.

Unless you are capable of experiencing separatness, how can you experience what wholeness is? This is why God created hell.
Experience is something that deceives you into believing that something happened outside of yourself - when it actually happened within yourself.
Experience is your nemesis.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Correa Neto
No, it would not bother me to be aware that I am somehow, part of a god.

That's not the question I asked. Does the question I ask you - even without answering it - disturb you?

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I have never said that 'lifegazer' is God. Nor have I said that I am 'lifegazer'. Nor have I said that 'you' are different to me.

I'm certain you don't understand my philosophy.
You certainly have no idea what absolute sanity means.

Keep on lying, lunatic. Its not as if I haven't suddenly got less than 3 links where you clearly say that the entity that is Lifegazer has discovered it's own godliness. In fact, I have more since I last comment. They haven't "miraculously" gone away you know...

I've also got the thread where you argue against micro evolution and for macro, and then for micro and against macro. A thread where you describe yourself as having the most wonderful idea in all of human history. Your americans post where you again confirm you can create miracles (pretty Godly huh?) but won't. One where you state you are god, we are not, and we are all killing ourselves.... And I've only skimmed 5 of your threads so far.

And you're more like Hitler than I am, by the way. He was famous for having low quality balls too.

[KelvinG]

Y'know, I don't agree with Iacchus much on anything. I think he evades questions, passes off unintelligeble philo-babble as profound truth, and is just generally annoying to try and discuss anything with.
But, at least he seems like a nice enough guy.

Lifegazer is just a jerk, plain and simple.

[Correa Neto]

Originally posted by lifegazer
That's not the question I asked. Does the question I ask you - even without answering it - disturb you?

Why did you cutted the
"Actually I would be quite happy to know that somehow a part of me would be eternal." part?

Note also that I wrote "it would not bother me".

So, the answer is, no, it would not disturb me on a negative way.

Next question, please.

BTW, could you please answer my questions regarding Satan?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Stop pretending that 'Iacchus' has a choice. He doesn't - any more than Jesus had a choice to be cruxified.
We are the puppets that tap-dance to God's tunes.
In fact, we are God, dancing - as God would like to dance - through the puppet.
The puppet cannot dance and knows no tunes.Which is it then? Are we puppets? Or, are we God? I happen to believe in neither ... as well as both.

Experience is something that deceives you into believing that something happened outside of yourself - when it actually happened within yourself.
Experience is your nemesis. I am a dualist. Apparently you are not. I don't deny that the physical exists. I just deny that that's all there is.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by KelvinG
Y'know, I don't agree with Iacchus much on anything. I think he evades questions, passes off unintelligeble philo-babble as profound truth, and is just generally annoying to try and discuss anything with. That's because I really have nothing to say. ;) Nothing that's worth repeating anyway.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by KelvinG
Lifegazer is just a jerk, plain and simple.
Perhaps he is.
But what part of your post ignores him to answer the questions imparted to you through him?
Forget lifegazer. It doesn't matter if he is Hitler reincarnate. The questions posed are still there and await sincere answers. That's the real point of this thread. That's what we should be discussing.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I've just asked somebody this in another thread. I'm genuinely interested in hearing sensible replies to this question from whomever is interested.

Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God. But it has occured to me that such a revelation might not be welcomed. If not, why not? Why do you prefer to perceive yourself as the limited and mortal entity that exists within your awareness?

This could be an interesting thread. It depends upon you lot.

Edited to add: assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply.

What's disturbing is that you've made no effort to improve your logic.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by c4ts
What's disturbing is that you've made no effort to improve your logic.
No. What's disturbing is that you cannot discern an argument from a question.
I asked you to stay away from my threads several weeks ago. I find you to be obtuse and insincere... and this posting hardly reverts my thoughts on the matter.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Iacchus
That's because I really have nothing to say.

Yes, I've never seen someone post so much, and yet say so little.;)

[Piscivore]

Originally posted by lifegazer
assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply.

Originally posted by lifegazer
Get honest & sincere with me and you'll get alot more out of me. Try faking it.

I guess "honesty" is another one of those words that lifegazer likes to use, but doesn't really understand the meaning of. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by UserGoogol
A Chinese actor who was in a movie entitled The One which had the somewhat silly premise that there are multiple (but a finite number of) universes and if you kill an alternate version of yourself, its power gets distributed among all the yous in the universe. In the movie, someone played by Jet Li was attempting to kill all the other Jet Lis, and as a result become.... "the one."

That sounds like the end of "The Books of Magic"

[P.S.A.]

Whoa carrot-cruncher. Who said this? Cerainly not me!
The only 'person' who has ever come close to representing God-as-man, is Jesus, as far as I'm concerned.
I've never said that I am 'pure' or 'holy' or 'The one to be worshipped' - or anything like that - so get your facts straight for a change.
I present the truth of God/existence to you, as a philosopher. Yet all you're interested in - like everyone else - is whether I'm perfect and whether I can heal your brother. Not to mention yourself.

Why I do believe I prove you've lied on every single one of those points in the thread linked to below. Gosh, who would have expected Lifegazer to turn out to have all the morals and honesty of a polecat, eh?

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870862611#post1870862611

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by Correa Neto
Why did you cutted the
"Actually I would be quite happy to know that somehow a part of me would be eternal." part?

Note also that I wrote "it would not bother me".

So, the answer is, no, it would not disturb me on a negative way.

Next question, please.

BTW, could you please answer my questions regarding Satan?

If anything, I suspect LG is afriad that anyone can honestly answer his question with a "no".

[Z]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I've just asked somebody this in another thread. I'm genuinely interested in hearing sensible replies to this question from whomever is interested.

Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God. But it has occured to me that such a revelation might not be welcomed. If not, why not? Why do you prefer to perceive yourself as the limited and mortal entity that exists within your awareness?

This could be an interesting thread. It depends upon you lot.

Edited to add: assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply.

Nope - wouldn't bother me in the least. In fact, it wouldn't matter in the least. It wouldn't change a single thing for zaayrdragon - since zaayrdragon already believes this in a slightly altered state - that we are all essences that are a part of the One, like atoms within the body of the whole. God exists, but so do we - and God is made from us, and from stars, and from All That Is. All That Is is God, but this does not denigrate who and what we are. Individual identity is still maintained, and the physical world is still maintained; and we still get an omnipresent God.

So, no, wouldn't bug me at all. In fact, I'd welcome valid reasoning, sound logic, and irrefutable proof that this were true.

Heck, I'm still waiting for that bread.

[Z]

Originally posted by Iacchus
That's because I really have nothing to say. ;) Nothing that's worth repeating anyway.

I agree. Now take your website down.

:D Just kidding, dude!

[Z]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Stop pretending that 'Iacchus' has a choice. He doesn't - any more than Jesus had a choice to be cruxified.
We are the puppets that tap-dance to God's tunes.
In fact, we are God, dancing - as God would like to dance - through the puppet.
The puppet cannot dance and knows no tunes.

Experience is something that deceives you into believing that something happened outside of yourself - when it actually happened within yourself.
Experience is your nemesis.

So what the hell is your point, then? If we're puppets, if we have no choices, then there is no point your trying to push this idiot religion off on everyone. God is going to die, if that is his desire, and there's not a thing you can do about it; in other words, your every action is utterly irrelevant. So what's the point?

And why would experience be your nemesis, since all you have is this experience? There's nothing else to be had. NOTHING.

[thatguywhojuggles]

I'll bite:

Originally posted by lifegazer

Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God.


Now that statement just raises a bunch of questions. If I am God, are there other Gods around me? Is Everyone a God, or am I the only God, or perhaps myself and a select few are Gods. What is everyone else who is not a God? Next I would want to know more about my being a God. Who created me? Did I create myself? Do I have super powers? Do I get to have sex with as a God? With another God--err Goddess. Am I a God at this very moment? Have I always been a God. (The list of questions would be endless)

Or I could just say to myself. Yes, my being a God is one possibility, but there are a thousand million other possibilities as well. So instead of believing in one possibility for which there is not a shred of evidence, I choose to believe that all possible outcomes should be considered equally, and should only take seriously when presented with reliable, repeatable evidence.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God. But it has occured to me that such a revelation might not be welcomed. If not, why not? Why do you prefer to perceive yourself as the limited and mortal entity that exists within your awareness?

{snip}

Edited to add: assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply. My reply is entirely under the assumption that your philosophy is correct:

Realizing that I am God would be really great ...for the first 15 minutes. The realization that I, as God, am capable of anything would be hindered by the reality that I am only capable of anything within my illusionary perceived world. Being absolutely singular, as per your philosophy, I would also be absolutely alone. Having no capacity to change my singularity or loneliness and not wishing to decend into some sort of depression or insanity, I could see the desire to re-escape back into a dreamworld illusion populated by billions of otherwise unobtainable "others".

However, during that first 15 minutes after I realized I was God, I would have a really good time manipulating the perceived world to my every whim. :D

Of course, even if I were God, I would have no way to be certain that I was God since the same arguments that denied my existance as "Upchurch" are applicable to my existance as "God". Anything that I do as God is limited by the possibility that I am merely perceiving myself as "God" and that I am actually apart of an even grander reality beyond my concept of "God".

edited to add:

Counter-question: What is so great about realizing that you are God? There can be no harmony with only one entity. No friendship. No love, except self-love which is the most shallow kind. No peace, except that forced by the fact there is no one to fight. Why would an entity want to live that kind of meaningless existance?

[Correa Neto]

Originally posted by Upchurch
...snip...
Counter-question: What is so great about realizing that you are God? There can be no harmony with only one entity. No friendship. No love, except self-love which is the most shallow kind. No peace, except that forced by the fact there is no one to fight. Why would an entity want to live that kind of meaningless existance?

Terrifying tought for LG:

God deliberately lost itself in "the dream" to escape a meaningless existence. LG "awakened" to the fact that god is creating "the dream" and is trying to "reunite" humanity in to a single entity. LG is thereatening god´s now productive "life", while we are the ones who keep god´s will - even if in an unconsious way. LG is god´s nemesis!

[RandFan]

Originally posted by KelvinG
Y'know, I don't agree with Iacchus much on anything. I think he evades questions, passes off unintelligeble philo-babble as profound truth, and is just generally annoying to try and discuss anything with.
But, at least he seems like a nice enough guy.

Lifegazer is just a jerk, plain and simple. Ditto, and I wondered when we were going to get these two together.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Counter-question: What is so great about realizing that you are God? There can be no harmony with only one entity. No friendship. No love, except self-love which is the most shallow kind. No peace, except that forced by the fact there is no one to fight. Why would an entity want to live that kind of meaningless existance? Bears repeating even if LG refuses to answer.

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Why is it that not a single person, thus far, has honestly responded to my OP?
I honestly see no reason for anyone here to neglect pondering the questions in my OP with a sincere heart.

Ok. No, it doesnt disturb me. In fact, and I have told you this several times, I would be delighted to know that I was an "unlimited individual" (to put in words what I believe you are taking as "god"). You would be able to grasp how happy I could be if you were able to have Lucid Dreams (I dont know if you have them).

You can do whatever you want in those dreams, fly, lift any object, change the weather, have the most unusual perceptions, create a world entirely to your likings, and so on.

I would like to think that, if your idea was correct, we could do more than what Lucid Dreams let us do, because we would be talking about this world.

The possibilities are infinite... Yes, I would love that what you say was true.

But.

At least regarding what you have explained so far, I dont see this as something more plausible possibility than heaven and hell, or reincarnation, to put two examples. Not to say that those as plausible at all.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Realizing that I am God would be really great ...for the first 15 minutes. The realization that I, as God, am capable of anything would be hindered by the reality that I am only capable of anything within my illusionary perceived world. Being absolutely singular, as per your philosophy, I would also be absolutely alone. Having no capacity to change my singularity or loneliness and not wishing to decend into some sort of depression or insanity, I could see the desire to re-escape back into a dreamworld illusion populated by billions of otherwise unobtainable "others".

= "The idea that I am God disturbs me, yes.".

= "I will never accept such a philosophy, regardless.".

Counter-question: What is so great about realizing that you are God? There can be no harmony with only one entity. No friendship. No love, except self-love which is the most shallow kind. No peace, except that forced by the fact there is no one to fight. Why would an entity want to live that kind of meaningless existance?
I don't know whether it's worth answering these questions. I'll think about it.
Suffice for me to know that people fear my philosophy being true.

[Ratman_tf]

Originally posted by lifegazer

Suffice for me to know that people fear my philosophy being true.

= Lifegazer putting his fingers in his ears and going "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Psssh...

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by Ratman_tf
= Lifegazer putting his fingers in his ears and going "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Psssh...

It's hardly surprising; Lifegazer doesn't have the integrity of a polecat. He's a lying, violent, idiotic turdmonger of the worst kind. Observe;

Whoa carrot-cruncher. Who said this? Cerainly not me!
The only 'person' who has ever come close to representing God-as-man, is Jesus, as far as I'm concerned.
I've never said that I am 'pure' or 'holy' or 'The one to be worshipped' - or anything like that - so get your facts straight for a change.
I present the truth of God/existence to you, as a philosopher. Yet all you're interested in - like everyone else - is whether I'm perfect and whether I can heal your brother. Not to mention yourself.

* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 1":

I contend that you can do anything that you want, or that you can know anything that you want to know. However, you have to be absolutey sure of this (absolute faith, if you like).

And is Lifegazer absolutely sure of his faith? Can he indeed do anything he wants to do? You all know what he's answered to that... It's further down the page. He can indeed perform miracles.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51652&perpage=40&highlight=miracle&pagenumber=11

YOU ARE A LIAR LIFEGAZER.

* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 2":

Lifegazer notifies us of this;

Originally posted by Bodhi Dharma Zen
When you do realize you are god... what happens?


You stop worrying.

And when it's pointed out that Lifegazer hasn't stopped worrying, does he admit that he hasn't, that he's still not quite at Godhood yet?

What do you think he did?

HE LIED. BECAUSE LIFEGAZER DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE HONESTY OF HITLER.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53435&perpage=40&highlight=lifegazer&pagenumber=1

* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 3":

Well, we could be accused of inferring what he means from that last link... Why, if only there was something else, somewhere he confirms that he meant he was God at that point. Somewhere like, perhaps, the very next page;

"Do you know anyone, except me, who acknowledges their own divinity?"

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53435&perpage=40&highlight=lifegazer&pagenumber=2

MY WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE LIFEGAZER.

* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 4":

So, don't even ask me for a miracle unless you can guarantee that 6 billion people will acknowledge that they are, in fact, God... and the consequences of that miracle will be entirely positive.

Ha ha ha ha... There's loads more like this to come too.

LIFEGAZER, HE'S HITLERIFIC!

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53759&highlight=Lifegazer


* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 5":

"You're fighting a losing battle son. You don't even know that you were put on the battlefield for the glory of the opposition.
Yet still, until the last moment, I allow you to choose to change your mind."

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53890&highlight=Lifegazer

* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 6":

It is our egos that murder God. The belief that we are the human being that we perceive ourselves to be is what murders the truth of our own divinity.
You're all killing Yourself. I'm actually your last hope.

Lifegazer is not killing God. He has no Ego. Therefore he's aware of his own divinity.

Except for that little problem of being an arrogant prick, that is.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53693&highlight=Lifegazer

* "I Never Claimed I Was God Lie Number 7"

This one bears repeating in full. It's not just claims of miracles again. It's the full break down of his collapsed mind.

This responsibility is killing me.
I look around this crumbling and decrepit world, within me, and I see nothing but conditional love; misguided aspirations; greed; selfishness; hatred; envy; anger; war-upon-war; religious ********; skeptical nonsense; establishment b****ocks; lies; and (the thing that bugs me the most) the belief that happiness is something that can be gained by what one can gain from the world within.
The world [within] is a BS place where the individual fights (mostly) against the [inwardly-perceived] masses, to achieve a power, of sorts, in order to gain status. Those that achieve this recognition, do so at the expense of all others. This smug minority serve, perpetually, as the standard-bearers for human purpose. They die, but the standards do not. New incarnations take-up the flag and give their lives to this standard of achievement.
We live in a bizarre world where people such as Alexander and Ghengis Kahn and Julius Caeser get all the glory (and let's not forget Russell Crowe; Colin Farrell; Brad Pitt; et al). Yet these were mass-murderers intent upon validating/glorifying their lives by destruction and murder.
Guess what: a few-hundred years from now, when there are
no-more politically-correct reasons and no-more emotions to be hurt, people will start to say that Hitler was a great leader who came - like Alex; GH; Caeser(S) - within an inch-or-two of "Doing an Alex" or "Doing a Caeser".
There's no reason to distinguish between any 'dictator'. They are all misguided and ignorant... stupid.
In a few hundred years, Hollywood will glorify Hitler - given current evidence.

This is the world you follow. Like Hollywood, your visions of self-glory borders upon the insane. At least Hollywood makes a few $£$£$£ out of it's enterprises. The average Joe in the street gets
sweet FA from Hollywood, except 2 hours of blood and guts and - for those two hours - the opportunity to envisage oneself as Russell Crowe or Brad Pitt - imagining oneself to be "the hero" (go figure!) that killed for self-glory.

You Americans are, GENERALLY, more inclined to give your lives towards this Hollywood mentality. Westerners, generally, moreso than Easterners.
With all due respect, this is why the rest of the world considers Americans, GENERALLY, as stupid; pathetic; crude; etc. - I'm sure you get the picture.

If I offend you by offending the "American flag", then screw you. I have no problem with flags. I only have problems with people who let flags dictate the course of their lives. If you think that "being American" is a good reason to feel superior, then bring it on. I'll destroy you. Only the stupid can give their lives to a cloth of a particular colour that promises them nothing in return other than lies about "freedom".
Do you know what 'freedom' is? Really?!
Nobody has freedom except God. Unless America is God - and unless 'you' yourself are America - you are a slave.
All Americans are slaves unless all Americans are God.

What a crazy world to live in. And then you die. But WTF - as long as you have a nice income and a chance to see Colin Farrell live your fantasy of world-domination - then who cares. For the briefest time, you had it all. At least, that was the fantasy.

This world is screwed. I'm surrounded by absolte idiocy. How could this not be true unless the aforementioned American ideals
were not the ideals that facilitated the importance of Hollywood?

What bugs me beyond everything, is that everyone I talk to hates me for highlighting this BS. 'They' want to sustain this crap.
They want to defend the hope of being the next Alexander.
... 'Lifegazer' destroys Hollywood = 'Lifegazer' destroys my dream of being Caeser, or Russell Crowe.
How f***8ng pathetic you all are.

These are the pricks that demand a miracle of me. These are the pricks that won't listen to reason unless there's a miracle thrown-in. These are the pricks that continue to kiss their flags and bask in in the Hollywood-mentality. These are the pricks that mock me for not bowing before their demands to produce a miracle.

The truth is, I have no desire to save such a mentality. I wish this mentality to be dead.
The truth is, I cannot gain favour from such a mentality unless I make them Caesar, or Alexander, or Crowe, or Pitt.
So, as I said before: SCREW YOU.

Die. I will not beg you to live. If you want to live, then choose not to die to the ******** that you currently wallow within.

I will not perform a miracle for a prick-mentality.

Later of course, Lifegazer would use Hollywood gunslinger imagery, because he's a hypocritical prat.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51652&perpage=40&pagenumber=12


How about some generalised Lifegazer wankery? Well, let's see...

* Is Lifegazer pure, is he holy, is he the most gosh darned Godly there's ever been?

"The most amazing thing about my philosophy, is that even if it were untrue (we are not God), then it is still the most noble ideal ever dreamt for mankind: the idea of unity and the notion that the whole is the self, instantly cures the world of ills caused by the belief in separate existence. "

As if you ever expected him to say anything different.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53435&perpage=40&highlight=lifegazer&pagenumber=2


* Or how about this one for a classic example of just how intelligent Lifegazer is?

I tell Lifegazer what my degree is, which slips through the holes in his broken long term memory; After this Lifegazer spends months obsessing about Philosophy Degrees, being too god damn stupid to realise I'm decieving him deliberatly so he discredits his own earlier claims about respecting people with such degrees.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51652&perpage=40&highlight=miracle&pagenumber=6

* Months later, I laugh at lifegazer after all his philosophy degree nonsense; And still the idiot foams on about Philosophy Degrees even after I've told him what a fool I've made out of him. Note also how Lifegazer is too damned cowardly to even perform the miracle of identifying what my degree actually was... even though I've already told him what it was!

On your knees plonkers indeed.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55076&perpage=40&highlight=lifegazer&pagenumber=4

* He's got an even better example today though

And besides again, I grew up in a much harder city than yours, so nyer nyer. First in the country to have full time armed police on the streets. And parts of which were on the UN Emergency Development list. Think you'd last 5 minutes with that attitude on the mean streets of... Nottingham, Lifegazer? 04-16-2005 02:13 AM

If you have any balls - and I doubt it since you were born in the southwest - you should be honest with me and answer the questions I asked of you in my OP. 04-17-2005 12:55 AM

Yeah, real f'king smart you are Lifegazer. You can't even recall what you read a day before.

* And who could forget the "God Is Dead, And Lifegazer Has Killed Him" thread? What miracles did he perform there? How much balls did he show with regards to the challenge laid down there? Yeah, that's right, Sweet Fanny Adams. Again.

* An example of Lifegazer's fractured thought processes, where he argues for one thing and then it's complete opposite?
Witness as the witless one argues for macro evolution and not micro, and then only for micro but no macro;

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53522&highlight=Lifegazer

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Bodhi Dharma Zen
Ok. No, it doesnt disturb me. In fact, and I have told you this several times, I would be delighted to know that I was an "unlimited individual" (to put in words what I believe you are taking as "god"). You would be able to grasp how happy I could be if you were able to have Lucid Dreams (I dont know if you have them).

You can do whatever you want in those dreams, fly, lift any object, change the weather, have the most unusual perceptions, create a world entirely to your likings, and so on.

I would like to think that, if your idea was correct, we could do more than what Lucid Dreams let us do, because we would be talking about this world.
The possibilities are infinite... Yes, I would love that what you say was true.

Excellent. Maybe you should have a word with upchurch.

But.

At least regarding what you have explained so far, I dont see this as something more plausible possibility than heaven and hell, or reincarnation, to put two examples. Not to say that those as plausible at all.
I'm not the only one to tell you this. There was once a Nazarean who said the same things I'm saying.
I think I'll start a thread about this.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by lifegazer
= "The idea that I am God disturbs me, yes.".Either you are over simplfying on purpose, or you didn't understand my point. It would be fun but ultimately is a pointless existance.

Are you going to address the points I raised or merely avoid the consequences of philosophy?
= "I will never accept such a philosophy, regardless.".You just made that up. Nothing I said in that post could lead you to that conclusion.
I don't know whether it's worth answering these questions. I'll think about it.It is the corollary to your question, lifegazer. Of course it isn't worth answering. I was merely extending you the courtesy you don't extend to others. I have no expectations of you actually addressing something that challenges your faith. That isn't want faithful theists do.
Suffice for me to know that people fear my philosophy being true. Fear? No. Your philosophy being true would merely mean a very sad existance for a lone entity trying to escape into a fantasy world.

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by lifegazer
Excellent. Maybe you should have a word with upchurch.

I'm not the only one to tell you this. There was once a Nazarean who said the same things I'm saying.
I think I'll start a thread about this.

More lies, you polecat? Why not? And I'll be sure to post my list of your lies that you don't have the honesty or balls to admit you said in them straight away...

Isn't treating you exactly how you treat others fun, hmmm?

You plo... I mean polecat.

[wahrheit]

If I was God, I would at first fill in Pixi and Larsen on that naive counting the candles thingie!

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
More lies, you polecat? Why not? And I'll be sure to post my list of your lies that you don't have the honesty or balls to admit you said in them straight away...

Isn't treating you exactly how you treat others fun, hmmm?

You plo... I mean polecat.
You're such a dumbo. You actually think that everybody else here is as obsessed with me as you are. How many times are you going to produce very long and boring posts to tell people that I'm a liar and insane?
It only takes one sentence mate. You need to think smaller or you'll lose your audience. *Yawn*

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Fear? No. Your philosophy being true would merely mean a very sad existance for a lone entity trying to escape into a fantasy world.
That's conjecture and I haven't yet decided whether to answer your questions. Why? Not because I can't, but because I envision a glut of P.S.A. type posts in response to my efforts.
Such pearls shouldn't be given to swine. They get lost in the crap the pigs wallow in.

[lifegazer]

By the way upchurch, you make your life seem so much better compared to God's. Pity it's so short-lived and meaningless hey?

[Robin]

Simply, no, the idea that I am God does not disturb me. I went through this idealist logic years ago (when I was about 12, it is the kind of thing you think about at that age) and realised that if I was inventing reality then I would have to be (in effect) God. That would mean that either everybody else was simply an illusion created by me and were not conscious or that God somehow could maintain parallel consciousnesses.

In the case of parallel consciousnesses this would entail that perceptions would somehow be shared among each consciousness - see for example the "tree in the quad" objection to Berkleyian idealism. That would be the only way to explain how observations made by individual consciousnesses would agree with each other. So objects that were not being perceived by anybody would still exist, being perceived by God's primary consciousness.

The problem is that in effect there is still an external world, external to each individual consciousness. (You might say that there were some illusions that existed external to the illusory consciousnesses). And also, what difference would there be to a thought in God's mind and reality? In effect if God is real then thoughts in God's mind would also be real. So idealism is really no different to the "separate God and Creation" stance taken by the majority of theists, only a difference in terminology.

There are of course a host of other problems - is a chimpanzee also God creating a chimpanzee consciousness? Or is a chimpanzee in the same category as a rock? What about a dog, or a mouse? An ant?

Of course the logical end to any such thinking is the idea that these things are beyond our ability to decide. I discussed this with a number of science teachers at school and they all agreed that science was unable to decide on the matter of idealism vs materialism since the observations would be the same in either case.

The problem is that neither can anything else - our only source of knowledge is our experiences.

Which means that simply we don't know and perhaps the next best thing is to use the working assumption that what our experiences appear to be telling us is all we can know. And since none of our experiences tell us that God exists then claiming that he does goes beyond what we can claim to know.

So I have answered you, let me ask in turn, does the idea that you are not God disturb you?

[P.S.A.]

Originally posted by lifegazer
By the way upchurch, you make your life seem so much better compared to God's. Pity it's so short-lived and meaningless hey?

Nope. Because there is no God. Thus you get the ***** end of the stick here in life, and then nothing better afterwards. All hail lifewaster!

How many times are you going to produce very long and boring posts to tell people that I'm a liar and insane?
It only takes one sentence mate.

You've been proving how much you lie, how insane you are, and boring everyone witless for 6 years now... my posts are the abridged Liegazer. No wonder no one respects you.

And you don't even have the balls to admit that small sample of your lies. Still, perhaps I'm going to spend another 6 years reminding you of this appalling nature of yours over and over again... After all, you DID say you were God right now, that you had all the powers of Godhood, and frankly if God's a complete turdmonger like you are, I'll be doing mankind a favour by trashing your threads for over half a decade. Remember, being the anti-Lifegazer is a choice God rightfully can make. And maybe I want to make that choice, eh?

And deep down, you respect me for doing it too. You said so. ;)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Robin
And since none of our experiences tell us that God exists then claiming that he does goes beyond what we can claim to know. Then perhaps we should speak for our own experiences then. Thank you.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Then perhaps we should speak for our own experiences then. Thank you.
And I have never suggested otherwise. I have a number of friends of various faiths and we are all respectful of each others points of view.

But no-one has been able to explain to me exactly how they experience the deities they believe in. Most say "it is not easy to describe" or "it's just a sort of feeling I have" or something like that.

It is often described as a "transcendent" feeling, but what does "transcendent" feel like? It sounds a lot like what I experience when listening to some great music, or watching the sun rise while out in the bush.

What experience suggests "purposeful intelligent creator of the universe" rather than "there appears to be something beyond what we are"?

So I have no experiences that suggest a God exist and nobody I have talked to can describe any such experiences. All I am saying.

[Robin]

Originally posted by lifegazer
By the way upchurch, you make your life seem so much better compared to God's. Pity it's so short-lived and meaningless hey?
God's life can't be so great if he had to make believe that he was me to escape from it.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Robin
So I have no experiences that suggest a God exist and nobody I have talked to can describe any such experiences. All I am saying. I can. But people still wouldn't believe me. They would just pass it off as a dream. If you're interested, here is a list of related experiences (http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=45&mforum=dionysusforums) that I've written about in my book.

[FreeChile]

Originally posted by lifegazer
I've just asked somebody this in another thread. I'm genuinely interested in hearing sensible replies to this question from whomever is interested.

Those of you that know my philosophy know that, according to me, you are God. But it has occured to me that such a revelation might not be welcomed. If not, why not? Why do you prefer to perceive yourself as the limited and mortal entity that exists within your awareness?

This could be an interesting thread. It depends upon you lot.

Edited to add: assume that my philosophy is correct before answering the question to ensure a honest reply. The problem is that I never tell myself that I'm limited nor mortal unless someone like you mentions it--in which case all I do is answer in reply to what is being asked. Also, my children certainly don't understand what it is that you are talking about. So this is all your invention and not mine.

So both limitation and mortality among other things are senseless to me, especially since I don't see the way they would affect me presently. The same is the case when someone tells me that I am evil as a result of some original sin. What would make me conscious of being good and not evil is someone else telling me that I may be evil and that I need to be good. Both religion and society are very good at this. As far as I am concerned, I am neither good nor evil, neither mortal nor immortal (God) and getting caught up in wanting to be one and not the other, is precisely the thing that would limit me.

[EdipisReks]

i'm disappointed. i thought for sure that i'd be insulted by his high holy horse manure.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by lifegazer
By the way upchurch, you make your life seem so much better compared to God's. Pity it's so short-lived and meaningless hey? Which leads back to my counter-question, doesn't it. According to your philosophy God chose to believe he was me. Thus, my life must have some meaning. As for short, time is only a perceived concept, is it not?

What meaning does God's lonely existance have?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by lifegazer
That's conjecture [b]Sure it is. Why? because...
[b]I haven't yet decided whether to answer your questions. Why? Not because I can't, but because I envision a glut of P.S.A. type posts in response to my efforts. Sure you can... :rolleyes:
Such pearls shouldn't be given to swine. They get lost in the crap the pigs wallow in. Careful. That's God you're talking about there. The sooner you realize that the happier everyone will be. ;)


(Isn't it ironic that the one who realizes that he is God and claims that that realization will bring peace is unusually antagonistic lately?)

[Z]

Originally posted by lifegazer
By the way upchurch, you make your life seem so much better compared to God's. Pity it's so short-lived and meaningless hey?

A short life full of happiness is better than eternal life full of nothing at all.

And I'd say Upchurch's life has more meaning for all its brevity than the entire existence of your so-called 'God', lg - God can do nothing with his life. He can never, ever change. Upchurch can grow, evolve, experience.. and, yes, die... what a wonderful life that is!

I pity your pathetic 'God'.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by zaayrdragon
A short life full of happiness is better than eternal life full of nothing at all.

And I'd say Upchurch's life has more meaning for all its brevity than the entire existence of your so-called 'God', lg - God can do nothing with his life. He can never, ever change. Upchurch can grow, evolve, experience.. and, yes, die... what a wonderful life that is! It all depends on what gives life meaning, I suppose.

Since lifegazer has never studied philosophy, I'll break things down simply and quickly for his benefit: Meaning is often derived by those things we value. I, for example, value things like life, love, peace, hope, freedom, etc. We value these things because they can be taken from us. lifegazer's God, however, can value none of these things since they cannot be taken from him. In fact (depending on the day of the week, that is), lifegazer implies that there is nothing that can be taken away from God. He is, after all, omni-everything. So, there is nothing God can really value and, thus, nothing for God can have any real meaning.

I imagine that lifegazer will now try to redefine terms and come up with either an omni-value and/or an omni-meaning argument. We'll see.

[uruk]

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I think that the idea that I am god should disturb all of you.

[joyrex]

Each conscious being is a God and has its own universe; we're all a part of a multiverse. The REAL world is a lucid dream, where you create with thought alone. What happens when you die?

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[Iamme]

The more people we get on earth the closer all of mankind as a unit will become as God, but will never attain it. We as humans can only be a finite number on earth. We are being shown by God, how immense infinity = God. Since man can never become totally infinite in number, we can never gain the brainpower of God. (Our having to die, after we learn so much on earth, doesn't help matters either) But, we are indeed all a piece of him as Iacchus pointed out.

[Iamme]

And consider this: If God is all knowledge and all powerful and yet is only this all powerful energy light thing, then how on earth do you expect God to go for a swim, unless he materizalizes himself in man?

[Robin]

Originally posted by Iamme
And consider this: If God is all knowledge and all powerful and yet is only this all powerful energy light thing, then how on earth do you expect God to go for a swim, unless he materizalizes himself in man?
Materialise himelf as a fish?

[uruk]

The REAL world is a lucid dream, where you create with thought alone. Then why can't I think up a nice Tahitian island with a bevey of beauts and a billion dollars?We as humans can only be a finite number on earth. But, we are indeed all a piece of him as Iacchus pointed out. Well if god is infinity, why can't there be an infinity of pieces of god that are us? Your contradicting yourself.

[Orangutan]

Not as much as it disturbs my flock when I get "Old Testament" on them.

http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/ants/FarSide-AntHill-MangifyGlass.jpg

:)

[Iamme]

(uruk)

Well if god is infinity, why can't there be an infinity of pieces of god that are us? Your contradicting yourself.

(Iamme)

Huh? How can there be an infinity of pieces of God that are us? Man's numbers on earth are finite. Clarify please.

[uruk]

You claimed that god is infinite and that we are pieces of god. That could mean that there would be an infinite number of pieces of god. Therefore the possibility of an infinite number of us.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Robin
And I have never suggested otherwise. I have a number of friends of various faiths and we are all respectful of each others points of view.

But no-one has been able to explain to me exactly how they experience the deities they believe in. Most say "it is not easy to describe" or "it's just a sort of feeling I have" or something like that.

It is often described as a "transcendent" feeling, but what does "transcendent" feel like? It sounds a lot like what I experience when listening to some great music, or watching the sun rise while out in the bush.

What experience suggests "purposeful intelligent creator of the universe" rather than "there appears to be something beyond what we are"?

So I have no experiences that suggest a God exist and nobody I have talked to can describe any such experiences. All I am saying. I had what I termed "spiritual" feelings. I often experienced these feelings when in church. But many things could make me feel "spiritual" especially music and being in the mountains on a summer morning. Perhaps other people have different feelings. How could I possibly know? Their descriptions seem similar to mine but there is no way to prove for sure.

Feelings are bad way to find the truth of something. And there are plenty of experiences to cause us to doubt our internal compass from time to time. The Monty Hall Problem was one such example for me. I was so certain that I knew that I was right. Just knowing is not enough.

[Iamme]

Originally posted by uruk
You claimed that god is infinite and that we are pieces of god. That could mean that there would be an infinite number of pieces of god. Therefore the possibility of an infinite number of us.

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Okay. I buy that. Then at that point when we become an infinite number, we become as God. And that's the course we are on, and was the point I was making.

At 6.5 billion people we have all this knowledge now and stuff. Something "Adam" could never have achieved. It is only through numbers (of people) that we have gained knowledge on metals, plastics, adhesives, machining, electronics. glass making, atomic bombs, viewing outerspace, going into outerspace...an almost endless array of things. *But*, it is *not* currently endless. Our current knowledge is not yet complete.

But if there was an infinite number of people I would bet you that we would know a lot more, and I would also venture to say that if we didn't become God himself at that point, we'd be close to it. We most likely would have solved mortality and that alone would make us God like. Creation is the other major attribute of God, and we have *that* now!

[uruk]

The problem with that is that an individual cannot know the totality of human knowledge. Our little brains are incapable of it.

[Ryokan]

Also, an infinite number of humans is theoretically and practically impossible ;)

[uruk]

Also, an infinite number of humans is theoretically and practically impossible But once we live and die, does that piece get recycled like in reincarnation? or is a new piece used? And does the old piece get reincorporated or discarded if not reused? So if the universe continues to exists forever and Mankind spreads through out the universe then, theoreticaly there could be an ifinite amount of pieces of god living it's life out and dieing and then thrown away or reincorporated with a new piece of god in the que ready to go on to infinity. Right?