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Robin
18th April 2005, 05:23 PM
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English.

Kiless
18th April 2005, 05:32 PM
Meow.

Meow rowr purr spt rowwr.

Eh eh!

Zoon dwow!

rah eh eh!

Miiiiii

Min dow rour grrn?

I!

In prow rrrrr...

Eh eh zoorrr...

Grunt grunt grunt - Snorgkle rowr!

ReFLeX
18th April 2005, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English.

Is this a rejection of inductive reasoning? I don't accept 2.

LostAngeles
18th April 2005, 05:55 PM
My cat back east knew how to say my name. Except it came out like "Mrryoawrrwaow" and was very round sounding and my name is actually French.

One of my current kittens has an extensive vocabulary of murrs. I think that's who Kiless was channeling.

Robin
18th April 2005, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by ReFLeX
Is this a rejection of inductive reasoning? I don't accept 2.
OK, how about "It is irrational to reject something that cannot be disproven"?

Robin
18th April 2005, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Kiless
Meow.

Meow rowr purr spt rowwr.

Eh eh!

Zoon dwow!

rah eh eh!

Miiiiii

Min dow rour grrn?

I!

In prow rrrrr...

Eh eh zoorrr...

Grunt grunt grunt - Snorgkle rowr!
Unfortunately he doesn't speak Cat, only English.

Kiless
18th April 2005, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Robin
Unfortunately he doesn't speak Cat, only English.

HISS!!!

apoger
18th April 2005, 06:30 PM
All cats can speak perfect english, they simply choose not to. ;)

jmercer
18th April 2005, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English.

I'm sorry, but your cat is an anecdote. Please provide proof you have a cat, and then we can proceed to negotiate protocols. :)

uruk
18th April 2005, 07:42 PM
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English There is no such thing as perfect english. First there is the philosophical baggage concerning the idea of "perfect". And then there is the problem concerning the english language which consists of several dielects and patwas (sp?). No one version of english can claim to be "perfect" or "true". 2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven Except when leap year falls on a Tuesday evening after happy hour.4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English. But this would require verification to be considered true. Other wise it is just an unsupported rationalisation.

Lingusitic acrobatics.

Robin
18th April 2005, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by jmercer
I'm sorry, but your cat is an anecdote. Please provide proof you have a cat, and then we can proceed to negotiate protocols. :)
Prove I don't! :)

Robin
18th April 2005, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by uruk
There is no such thing as perfect english. First there is the philosophical baggage concerning the idea of "perfect". And then there is the problem concerning the english language which consists of several dielects and patwas (sp?). No one version of english can claim to be "perfect" or "true".
OK, I mean that his English is clear and instantly recognisable as the English language.
But this would require verification to be considered true. Other wise it is just an unsupported rationalisation.
But the view that my cat cannot speak English is also an unsupported rationalisation.

Scot C. Trypal
18th April 2005, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

I wish I could say the same for my dog, but he often ends his sentences in prepositions.

Robin
18th April 2005, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Kiless
HISS!!!
But he did understand that!

Yahweh
18th April 2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English.
What can I say? I totally agree.

Marquis de Carabas
18th April 2005, 10:46 PM
Puss: *ahem* Pardon?

Hawk one
19th April 2005, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Puss: *ahem* Pardon?

Was that English or French?

uruk
19th April 2005, 06:26 AM
OK, I mean that his English is clear and instantly recognisable as the English language. I know. I was being a weenie. :p

But the view that my cat cannot speak English is also an unsupported rationalisation. It is not unsupported because there has been, to date, no verifiable documentation of a cat speaking intelligeable (sp?) english. (although I'm sure I heard my cat say "meee out! You idiot! sheesh!" once. But I was drunk at the time.)

Lack of evidence is not necessarily proof of non-existance but it is, in the least, supportive of it.

Marquis de Carabas
19th April 2005, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Hawk one
Was that English or French?
Puss: English. French looks like this: pardon?

Iacchus
19th April 2005, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English. Yes, but what does this have to do with Who or what is responsible for the Big Bang?

Tormac
19th April 2005, 08:37 AM
How well can your cat read Robin?

My cats are working on installing a stroker kit in the 2zz-ge engine of their Elise, but they are having trouble reading the shop manuals I downloaded for them, and I've already told them that there is no way I'm going to pay a shop to do it for them. (Unfortunatly my cats don't read so well, they thought they could have figured it out with the pictures, and they don't trust me to wrench on their Lotus).

My cat Smitten wants to know if you cat would be willing to translate toyota shop manuals for the 2zz-ge engine for them. Smitten said that he would be willing to pay in birds, mice, or catnip, which ever your cat would prefer, with a chipmunk thrown in as a bonus for speedy translation.

edited-I spell gud

jmercer
19th April 2005, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Robin
Prove I don't! :)

Ok. Anyone here see Robin's cat? No? Ok. No cat in sight... ergo, no cat. ;)

(nanner, nanner, nanner... cat got yer tongue? hehe...)

Robin
19th April 2005, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Iacchus
Yes, but what does this have to do with Who or what is responsible for the Big Bang?
Who's talking about the big bang?

My cat is about 16 or 17 years old so it wasn' t him.

Robin
19th April 2005, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Tormac
How well can your cat read Robin?

My cats are working on installing a stroker kit in the 2zz-ge engine of their Elise, but they are having trouble reading the shop manuals I downloaded for them, and I've already told them that there is no way I'm going to pay a shop to do it for them. (Unfortunatly my cats don't read so well, they thought they could have figured it out with the pictures, and they don't trust me to wrench on their Lotus).

My cat Smitten wants to know if you cat would be willing to translate toyota shop manuals for the 2zz-ge engine for them. Smitten said that he would be willing to pay in birds, mice, or catnip, which ever your cat would prefer, with a chipmunk thrown in as a bonus for speedy translation.

edited-I spell gud
My cat does not think this makes sense. Do Toyota make Lotus's?

LostAngeles
19th April 2005, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Robin
Who's talking about the big bang?

My cat is about 16 or 17 years old so it wasn' t him.

Cats are capable of traveling through time at will. (This is often why they seem to forget that you've fed them an hour ago.) I mean, my cat's been involved in all the great assassinations of history, from JFK to Julius Ceasar. My other cat was actually the snake who tempted Eve. Which is more plausible as a temptation? A snake or a cute fluffy kitty playing under a tree with an apple?

Marquis de Carabas
19th April 2005, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Iacchus
Yes, but what does this have to do with Who or what is responsible for the Big Bang?
Puss: It is manifestly obvious that a cat was responsible for the creation of the Universe. What creature not of the feline persuasion could construct a world so beautiful, so sublime, and so utterly callous towards the feelings of humans?

Gestahl
19th April 2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English.

By that logic, I speak every language on earth.

Awesome! I should get a job with the UN.

And at least Puss presents evidence. MdC, maybe Puss should get a handle on this problem before English speaking cats start filling his niche.

ETA: I win. Proof by post edit.

Gestahl
19th April 2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Puss: It is manifestly obvious that a cat was responsible for the creation of the Universe. What creature not of the feline persuasion could construct a world so beautiful, so sublime, and so utterly callous towards the feelings of humans?

Well, I could, and last time I checked I wasn't feline...

Maybe it's just the influence of all my cats...

bmillsap
19th April 2005, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Robin
Do Toyota make Lotus's?

Way OT, but: The engine in the Elise, yes.

Robin
19th April 2005, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by bmillsap
Way OT, but: The engine in the Elise, yes.
Oh well then I suppose that my cat is not qualified to translate the workshop manual.

Tormac
19th April 2005, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Robin
Oh well then I suppose that my cat is not qualified to translate the workshop manual.

Sorry if it is topic drift, (as bmillsap has pointed out Lotus has used the Toyota engine for the latest Elise the rover power plant that Lotus had used could not be made to pass US emissions).

The shop manuals I have are in English, not Japanese if that helps.

Smitten D. Kitten was wondering if the people (and felines, no canines please) responding to this thread thought that if assuming condition #2 of the OP, and given that any information pertaining to the engine of the car is merely perception dependent on our mind(s) and not proven true, could he achieve the same increase in torque by just believing really firmly that he has installed a supercharger in his car, as he could by actually installing one?

If so does anyone have a recommended brand for him to pretend that he has installed?

Iacchus
20th April 2005, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Puss: It is manifestly obvious that a cat was responsible for the creation of the Universe. What creature not of the feline persuasion could construct a world so beautiful, so sublime, and so utterly callous towards the feelings of humans? Hmm ... Wasn't it the Egyptians who first started cat worship?

Jyera
20th April 2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Robin
My cat speaks perfect English.

Proof:
1. Nobody can prove that my cat cannot speak perfect English
2. It is irrational to assert as true something that cannot be proven
3. The conclusion that my cat cannot speak perfect English is therefore irrational
4. Therefore the rational conclusion is that my cat can speak perfect English.
According to the definition of cat at ...
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cat

What Robin said is true if he is refering to
(1) a woman who is regarded as spiteful.
(2) a person, especially a man.

SezMe
20th April 2005, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Scot C. Trypal
I wish I could say the same for my dog, but he often ends his sentences in prepositions.
Poor Scot, he does not have his Funk & Wagnalls at the ready, so I have repaired his post as follows:

"I wish I could say the same for my dog, but he often his sentences ends a preposition with."

You're welcome. :)

Marquis de Carabas
20th April 2005, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Iacchus
Hmm ... Wasn't it the Egyptians who first started cat worship?
Puss: No. It was cats. The Egyptians were merely the first humans to recognise our greatness.

Kiless
20th April 2005, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by Tormac
How well can your cat read Robin?

My cats are working on installing a stroker kit in the 2zz-ge engine of their Elise, but they are having trouble reading the shop manuals I downloaded for them, and I've already told them that there is no way I'm going to pay a shop to do it for them. (Unfortunatly my cats don't read so well, they thought they could have figured it out with the pictures, and they don't trust me to wrench on their Lotus).

My cat Smitten wants to know if you cat would be willing to translate toyota shop manuals for the 2zz-ge engine for them. Smitten said that he would be willing to pay in birds, mice, or catnip, which ever your cat would prefer, with a chipmunk thrown in as a bonus for speedy translation.


Purrrrrrrr...

Scot C. Trypal
20th April 2005, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by SezMe
Poor Scot, he does not have his Funk & Wagnalls at the ready, so I have repaired his post as follows:

"I wish I could say the same for my dog, but he often his sentences ends a preposition with."

You're welcome. :)

Correction of my English is something up with which I will not put.

Robin
20th April 2005, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Jyera
According to the definition of cat at ...
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cat

What Robin said is true if he is refering to
(1) a woman who is regarded as spiteful.
(2) a person, especially a man.
I am specifically referring to a carnivorous mammal of the family Felidae who speaks the common language of the modern British Isles.

rachaella
20th April 2005, 03:25 PM
Does the cat sing showtunes?

Marquis de Carabas
20th April 2005, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by rachaella
Does the cat sing showtunes?
Puss: I am the very model of a modern... Er, excuse me. No.

rachaella
20th April 2005, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Puss: I am the very model of a modern... Er, excuse me. No.

Puss, you shouldn't hide your secret love of show tunes. Belt it out!

Shrike
21st April 2005, 05:09 AM
Hi Tormac.

No need for Smitten to pretend he has a supercharger, you can buy 'em cheap here: http://www.esuperchargers.com/
Only $14,95! Check the power curve of the Honda!






*ahem*

Tormac
22nd April 2005, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Shrike
Hi Tormac.

No need for Smitten to pretend he has a supercharger, you can buy 'em cheap here: http://www.esuperchargers.com/
Only $14,95! Check the power curve of the Honda!






*ahem*

Thanks for the link Shrike.

Smitten's job is to step on the gas, brake, and clutch pedals. As he thinks that he's in charge of the power delivery he's not in favor of something, well, cheap. He found a vortech supercharger from the newcelica.org page that he's investigating.

(Boy, this whole everything is true if it is not proven false stuff is rather fun.)